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Posted Nov 06, 2007, 11:21:20 am

Montana Buffalo Jump

Last spring Wingman Tony and I were offered access to a privately owned Buffalo Jump, to detect and to hunt Indian points/artifacts on.  A few weeks ago we took advantage of the offer, and took a break from our normal haunts; to give the buffalo jump a go.
 
But first… what is a Buffalo Jump?   

For more than 1,000 years, and some think for nearly 2,000 years, prehistoric men and women of the Montana Great Plains hunted bison by driving them over cliffs.  Called “pishkuns”, some of the largest buffalo jumps in the world were right here in Montana, and were used as jump sites between 900 and 1500 A.D.  Below the cliffs that can stretch more than a mile, the soil reveals compacted bison bones sometimes over 10 feet deep. 

Captain Meriwether Lewis, of Lewis and Clark, describe how Buffalo Jumps were used in writings from 1805:   
" ...one of the most active and fleet young men is selected and disguised in a robe of buffalo skin ...  he places himself at a distance between a herd of buffalo and a precipice proper for the purpose;  the other Indians now surround the herd on the back and flanks and at a signal agreed on all show themselves at the same time moving forward towards the buffalo; the disguised Indian or decoy has taken care to place himself sufficiently near the buffalo to be noticed by them when they take to flight and running before them they follow him in full speed to the precipice; the Indian (decoy) in the mean time has taken care to secure himself in some cranny in the cliff... the part of the decoy I am informed is extremely dangerous."

Horses weren't introduced to the Indians of the Northern Plains until the early 18th century. So, they didn’t hunt on horseback until then and had to gather meat in other ways. At least 2,000 years ago, the ever-resourceful tribes devised a simple way to provide their food, clothing, shelter and tools often without firing a single arrow or bullet, or even giving chase to the prey. At the Buffalo Jumps, the Blackfeet, Salish, Shoshone, and possibly many other tribes gathered their families around the cliffs. They then would herd bison nearer and nearer the edge, until they could stampede the animals, forcing them to fall to the ground below.

Once the animals had fallen to their deaths the families camped below the cliff went to work. After the bison had been butchered for their meat, their skins and horns were harvested for tipis, hides, blankets, and tools. The horns were made into spoons and tools, as were the bones. It took an average of 18 hides to make one tipi, with larger ones using as many as 30. Any meat that wasn't needed immediately was dried on long racks to make jerky. The meat kept for a whole season and was sometimes mixed with berries and carried in pouches for emergency provisions on long winter hunts.
 
Tony and I were hoping this site would yield some tools, points, scrapers… anything. 

Here is the site we walked… we walked the entire length of cliff on the right… and the entire hill terrain off in the distance.

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Here is the main kill area, we spent most our time walking these terrain features and looking for artifacts.  Mostly we found bones… the bones of Bison killed by pre-historic Native Americans between 500 – 1000 years ago.  The erosion on these hills is terrible and is exposing more and older bone every year. 

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These cliffs have been picked over since the 1860s for arrowheads and other tools.  The chances of finding anything is only fair at best, locals have been collecting off this area and one of the Montana Universities conducts archaeological digs on rare occasions.  They have left gigantic holes behind… full of bone debris… very unsightly.
 
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Can you see the entire row of teeth in a circular pattern here?  Do you think the entire skull is below that?  I never checked…

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Tony digs for broken or lost points near some bones…

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One picture of me before hiking the entire hill pictured in the background… we took no camera, tools, or detectors and of course, wish we did.  It was a great two mile hike that produced some broken points for Tony and some flakes and worked stone.  Tony say’s the material was obsidian, jasper, flint, and chert and maybe some coffee agate.  Tony has been picking points his whole life and I am point-tarded on all accounts. 
Here is what we found – it’s not much, but it’s enough to make us go back there after a good rain and hunt points in earnest. 

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The last picture is a buffalo tooth I kept… 

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As always, thanks for looking…

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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 11:32:13 am

Big Jim,

I always enjoy reading your threads. Your pics are always cool to view. They always offer a breath of serenity. ;) Cheesy

You should have been detecting the sides of those hills. You said it goes back 2,000 years? Hell, there are Roman coins waiting there. Tongue Cheesy

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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 11:36:08 am

Thanks for the history lesson. What a wonderful way to spend a day. I envy you....Steve
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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 12:07:09 pm

dude that is so way cool! I love the play by play and all the pics.Daniel
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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 12:17:55 pm

looks like ya need to do alot of digging.i know i would.looks like the  skull is there still.they are just so dang brittle.go right after one of them big rains.i would also be checking the bluff on top all over.it wont be long before you score something sweet.post it when you do find it cant wait.just a few fossils in my pic. 
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 12:31:05 pm

looks like ya need to do alot of digging.i know i would.looks like the  skull is there still.they are just so dang brittle.go right after one of them big rains.i would also be checking the bluff on top all over.it wont be long before you score something sweet.post it when you do find it cant wait.just a few fossils in my pic. 

Steve... we know it's out there... and yes, the bones are everyplace and brittle as heck. I know the deeper bones are in much better shape. 

We also know we can find more stuff... either by digging or hitting it after the rains.  We have permision to detect (useless), dig (awesome), and collect whatever we want... the only thing we need is time.

We did check the bluff, and tops of the cliffs, and all the terrain we could get to - this first trip was really just a "scouting" mission.

Tony is a points freak having collected them in Ohio and South Dakota his whole life... he even has a bucket full of petrified sabertooth tiger scat... not THAT"'s a serious collector!  This is all new to me... and it's a blast!

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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 12:35:34 pm

dude all that is way cool.Reminds me when I was digging a campp in SD looks just like that area.Have you ever just walked the ridges with your detector looking for camps? I know how wide open it is there,because Ive been there myself,but it does pay off.BTW! Im still looking for my 1st Mammoth tusk or tooth myself.Daniel
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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 12:37:10 pm

p.s.Ill be in the chat room If you show up Ill show ya a pic.Daniel

Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 01:10:18 pm

some really neat stuff in all the pictures, wish I could find a place like that!
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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 01:59:04 pm

Great post Jim.  Really a nice quality post and you can tell that you took your time and added some really good pictures.  Appreciate you sharing the trip with us as it looks like a dream spot.  You know, you are taught history in school but living in modern times as a kid you never think that any of that stuff still exists.  You think that it was way in the past and that now it is buried under a strip mall or taco bell or something of that nature...But this post shows that there are still spots that are PRESERVED and look the way they did hundreds and even thousands of years ago.  I LOVE THAT FEELING of walking through history.  You guys have alot more of it out there in the west especially the serene and untouched Montana, but over here in the East it is MUCH more rare to walk in history like that as most historical sites are no longer or they have been turned into parks.  HOWEVER, my research has revealed to me many hidden and forgotten about forts, camps, earthworks, redoubts, even colonial sites.  Sites that are all but forgotten about but still exist untainted in that patch of woods that you have never set foot in.  They exist still in the nooks and crannies over here and you would never know they were there unless you do your research.  It is a awesome feeling to set foot in a Confederate Redoubt (Fort) and see the cannon emplacements and feel the history, just as I KNOW it would be a AWESOME feeling to stand at the foot of that Buffalo Jump!!!  Sounds like it was a unbelievable opportunity to walk in history and feel the past.  Wish I couldnve been out there as well....Great post and thanks for taking the time to do it well.

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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 02:46:42 pm

Outstanding post !!
The pictures are great and the story behind them is awesome  Smiley

Thank you and please keep them coming.

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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 03:14:51 pm

Thank you for the history lesson and great job on the pics. Great story

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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 03:19:01 pm

Amazing pictures man nice nature.
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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 04:56:04 pm

i was wondering about this spot ........very interesting  Cool

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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 05:07:05 pm

Way cool Jim ! I can remember reading about the buffalo jumps when i was a kid.That would have to be an awesome site to visit for sure.Remember no place is hunted out.All that activity going on ya know there's gotta be tons of cool artifacts there somewere ! Hey ya might even find some "petrified Indian scat" in onea them hidey holes !  Cheesy
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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 05:22:25 pm

Jim, those are very cool photos of that BJ area. I'd love to be out that way again.
The last time I visited my daughter in Montana, we drove out to the Madison Jump just west of Bozeman.
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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 05:30:27 pm

you guys always have a good time...and the photos are neat as heck.. and thank you for the history lesson. it was extremely interesting too.... I love that stuff.

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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 05:39:51 pm

A neat post Jim and great pics---Those Indians sure knew how to hunt.
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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 05:50:33 pm

I always enjoy going on a trip with you and Tony, even if it just in pictures I feel I'm right there with you.  Thanks for the history of the buffalo jump, awesome pics as always too.

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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 05:52:32 pm

Great post, Jimmy (and Tony!)  I learned alot because I'm pretty much Montarded.  Cheesy

Fabulous pictures!  Cool
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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 06:43:23 pm

Plehbah - Your reply is most appreciated... and articulate.  Our visit there disturbed very little that was not already exposed, or about to become exposed with the next wash.  True, that the area has seen fantastic erosion and was demolished by a raging river flood in 1964.  We disturbed very little... except to dig out that one carcass remain site.  There is evidence of University diggings there which is appalling, where material was dug, sifted and discarded in a haphazard way.   

Don't let the fact that I have to look up 50 percent of the words you used before proceeding, stop you from giving further advice.

I might find those university pubs you wrote about... I don't know yet how intriqued I am about the the site except to find artifacts...

The truth is... We already have the greatest respect for the area, and mostly just want to find tools... not bones.  Additionally, the area was mined for most the bone debris during the 1930s and 1940s when the bones were sold to soap companies back east.  Another reason the area is eroded, and likely far from it's original condition.  This fact leaves me to agree with you that the current exposed bone may in fact be older than imagined.  I think however that 1000 years old is still pretty cool...

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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 06:44:51 pm

Everyone else... thanks SO much for your comments... Smiley

Maybe we'll have some follow up postings with some cool finds...

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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 06:51:36 pm

Keep your eyes open for Dinosaur bones and fossils!
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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 06:53:55 pm

Keep your eyes open for Dinosaur bones and fossils!

We have a hunt site like that... you'll never hear about it or see pictures... ever.  Smiley   Cool

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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 07:41:40 pm

Jim, another wonderful and educating post  Smiley You  and  Tony are very lucky  > I could camp out there for a month !! the pictures are always the best part > Like River Rat stated >  Felt like I was on the adventure with you guys  Smiley

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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 08:19:50 pm

Jim I have Metal detected Buff Jumps and never seem to find much maybe one or two extremely eroded iron arrow points and a metal knife or two but for the most part when they were using this method of dispatch the white man had not yet arrived to supply iron.When they did get iron they also got guns and did not use the jumps much anymore.I have note found many really nice stone tools either at the actual jump aside from skull crackers which were pointed stones used for punching a hole in the skulls to remove the brains to be used for brain tanning hides.I also find stone knives that were sharpened(rechipped)down to nothing.If you are able to fly over a site like that you can plainly(sometimes) spot the actual encampment site(teepee circles)might have better luck there.It is amazing just how plainly the teepee rings are still visible.Buffalo jumps are all over Montana and Wyoming,hundreds I know of personally.

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Reply To This Topic #26 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 08:23:11 pm

Jim, another wonderful and educating post  Smiley You  and  Tony are very lucky  > I could camp out there for a month !! the pictures are always the best part > Like River Rat stated >  Felt like I was on the adventure with you guys  Smiley

Someday CD, I hope to find a few points and show them off... I'll never be an arrowhead hunter of your caliber!   ;)

And RR has quit a collection too!  I'll never find that many points in my life...   Tongue

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Reply To This Topic #27 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 08:35:33 pm

Jim I have Metal detected Buff Jumps and never seem to find much maybe one or two extremely eroded iron arrow points and a metal knife or two but for the most part when they were using this method of dispatch the white man had not yet arrived to supply iron.When they did get iron they also got guns and did not use the jumps much anymore.I have note found many really nice stone tools either at the actual jump aside from skull crackers which were pointed stones used for punching a hole in the skulls to remove the brains to be used for brain tanning hides.I also find stone knives that were sharpened(rechipped)down to nothing.If you are able to fly over a site like that you can plainly(sometimes) spot the actual encampment site(teepee circles)might have better luck there.It is amazing just how plainly the teepee rings are still visible.Buffalo jumps are all over Montana and Wyoming,hundreds I know of personally.

kuger!  Welcome to TreasureNet and thanks for gracing my topic with your first post!  How cool!

I agree with everything you said... We detected for about five minutes and realized we were only going to find the trash of modern visitors, which is exactly what we expected. Any trade steel would have been introduced even after the horses and it is highly unlikely we would find any here at this prehistoric area. This particular area has no teepee rings... although some of our sites do. The rings above the site would have been for the fires used to guide and herd the buffs (this site has no such rings). This buff jump is close to one of the largest jumps in the world.  It's an exciting place to be, and to look around.  The field below the jump would have been just big enough to hold the camping families by the river with runs close by... and i truley believe if the field was ever turned again it would be artifact heaven.  There are some looted graves nearby but we did'nt even think about disturbing them... they were already fairly destroyed in the 30s and 40s. Sad   A terrible shame.

Thanks for responding and helping the others understand what this place is all about!  Smiley 

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Reply To This Topic #28 Posted Nov 06, 2007, 08:56:48 pm

Well all I can say is that I enjoyed the trip and am looking to go back any time now!
Thanks Jim & Tony

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Reply To This Topic #29 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 05:20:43 am

looks like ya need to do alot of digging.i know i would.looks like the  skull is there still.they are just so dang brittle.go right after one of them big rains.i would also be checking the bluff on top all over.it wont be long before you score something sweet.post it when you do find it cant wait.just a few fossils in my pic. 

Steve... we know it's out there... and yes, the bones are everyplace and brittle as heck. I know the deeper bones are in much better shape. 

We also know we can find more stuff... either by digging or hitting it after the rains.  We have permision to detect (useless), dig (awesome), and collect whatever we want... the only thing we need is time.

We did check the bluff, and tops of the cliffs, and all the terrain we could get to - this first trip was really just a "scouting" mission.

Tony is a points freak having collected them in Ohio and South Dakota his whole life... he even has a bucket full of petrified sabertooth tiger scat... not THAT"'s a serious collector!  This is all new to me... and it's a blast!
i've been searching for a sabertooth tiger tooth no luck yet on my part.hope you find lots good luck 
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Reply To This Topic #30 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 07:12:41 am

I've been searching for a sabertooth tiger tooth no luck yet on my part.hope you find lots good luck 

Bad Lands, South Dakota - they're out there waiting for ya...  ;)

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Reply To This Topic #31 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 07:41:38 am

Thanks for a great, educational post.  I'll send a link to my sister, she's going to retire to Big Sky country.

In Michigan, people like Henry Schoolcraft succeeded in driving the majority of the indigenous Native Americans out of the state in the early 1800's.  Sort of a junior version of the Trail of Tears. 
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Reply To This Topic #32 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 09:15:57 am

Could you tell me where the nearest Coppa jump is at? Cheesy Grin
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Reply To This Topic #33 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 09:21:01 am

Could you tell me where the nearest Coppa jump is at? Cheesy Grin

Yer almost there Kirk... a few more steps back... thats good, keep backing up... a few more steps... and...

Kirk?  Did you fall off the cliff?  Cool  Now, look for some coppers...

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Reply To This Topic #34 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 09:22:46 am

Could you tell me where the nearest Coppa jump is at? Cheesy Grin

Yer almost there Kirk... a few more steps back... thats good, keep backing up... a few more steps... and...

Kirk?  Did you fall off the cliff?  Cool  Now, look for some coppers...


LMFAO! Jim, you are hilarious. ;) Cheesy I would find some Roman coppas on those hills. Tongue
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Reply To This Topic #35 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 05:58:24 pm

Thanks for the welcome Jim!! ;) :)I shot a buffalo with my bow a couple years ago and I'll tell ya I dont think the Indians killed many that way.That bull was the toughest animal I have ever seen their will to live and refusal to give up is unbeleivable!!!Then then the skinning 5 Hrs worth!!!I cant tell you how much respect I gained for the Indians and the buffalo.I also learned obsidian blades work much better skinning than todays steel.

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Reply To This Topic #36 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 06:23:44 pm

HEY JIM,
  GREAT BUNCH OF  HISTORY IN YOUR AREA. I NEVER HEARD OF SUCH A THING CHASING BISON OFF A CLIFF..........ARE THERE ANY ARROW HEAD TYPE OR STONE ARTIFACTS TO BE FOUND........PACO, BONE DRY DETECTING
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Reply To This Topic #37 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 06:44:31 pm

PACO!!! 

I"D REPLY to you, but I already talked about that in my post... thanks for reading.

Thanks for replying to my bud.

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Reply To This Topic #38 Posted Nov 07, 2007, 06:57:23 pm

Great idea and great post... thanks for sharing!
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Reply To This Topic #39 Posted Nov 24, 2007, 09:23:11 pm

WOW This was just awesome. Picures and story. I knew of Buffallo Jumps But have never seen one. So awesome Jim. Thanks for the pics and taking us along.
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