Steve0
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« on: Dec 17, 2007, 07:22:10 PM » |
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These are my sweet finds found this fall in Wisconsin. All 4 Have makers marks three are JO (John Oaks) and the one with the brass chain still attached is NR (Narcisse Roy)
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Cannonman17
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Neat! I want one!
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« Reply To This Topic #1 on: Dec 17, 2007, 07:54:27 PM » |
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 The little face with the eyeballs pop'n out of the head really sums this one up. Those are amazing... beyond amazing... and to know who made them... unreal.
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« Reply To This Topic #2 on: Dec 17, 2007, 08:00:17 PM » |
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Incredible finds  |
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« Reply To This Topic #3 on: Dec 17, 2007, 10:52:22 PM » |
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awesome finds
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« Reply To This Topic #4 on: Dec 17, 2007, 11:35:39 PM » |
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I can sum it up in one word:
BANNER!
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Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my post above were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.
2008 Clad Count: 18
2008 Old Coin Count: 17
Clad Total Since 1992: $118.65
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« Reply To This Topic #5 on: Dec 18, 2007, 01:50:26 AM » |
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Awesome finds SteveO!!!! These are in my mind the top for "Fur Trade" silver finds. The hallmarks give them even more direct history. The French Missionaries originally traded these as symbolic religious crosses to converted Indians. England took over France control here & in time the symbol remained as a acquired shape liked by the Indians for ornamental use. The religious meaning became more subdued & these were traded in from Montreal, Canada. The revisted hallmarks by SteveO date these pieces to silversmiths (JO) John Oakes 1750-1819 & (NR) Narcisse Roy 1765-1819. Oh How these men have left their mark in time. "For then it was a hallmark of pride, now it's the mark of ones life, never to be forgotten"....Patina
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« Reply To This Topic #6 on: Dec 18, 2007, 02:38:06 AM » |
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I can sum it up in one word:
BANNER!
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Do not believe a word you read on here, for the most part, use your best judgment, while you still have it. The longer you read this, the less good judgment you will possess.
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« Reply To This Topic #7 on: Dec 18, 2007, 05:08:07 AM » |
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Awesome Finds....Im guessing that these crosses were found with a metal detector? I recently purchased a detector and one of the first things that came to mind is when the snow goes I would love to try it on some indian sites and see what it may bring. What was the time period for silver trade items and religous medals? Im guessing that you would be more likely to find trade items at a historic campsite 1600s - 1700s rather than a woodland or arcahic campsite.
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« Reply To This Topic #8 on: Dec 18, 2007, 11:03:24 AM » |
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Great finds. One could speculate that Indian trade routes and thus camp sites lasted from well before European arrival to well after, and I am thinking here of copper and flint trade from Central US to northern Canada and canoe cultures. H
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« Reply To This Topic #9 on: Dec 18, 2007, 02:32:09 PM » |
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Hi Undertaker
Yes, these were found with a metal detector and the sites we have are I would say muti culture sites as you can find stuff from stone and copper points to fur trade and modern stuff. Its all there you just have to dig it all to find the little stuff.
Thanks
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« Reply To This Topic #10 on: Dec 18, 2007, 04:19:02 PM » |
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what can i say besides wow! that is a stunning find! you sure dont see those coming out of the ground every day! i agree.....BANNER! |
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« Reply To This Topic #11 on: Dec 19, 2007, 05:46:32 AM » |
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Fur Trade items are always interesting and items that were worn by individuals have a special significance...kind of a direct link through time to that person. Religious items are especially interesting more so than other ornamentation because of the struggles that the items represent for the minds and souls of these people. I think we sometimes forget the influence that the Jesuits and other missionaries played in the struggle for control of North America. Even though as Patina said in time their real meaning became subdued and possibly forgotten. Your wonderful crosses are a window to that struggle.
Were they found on the same village?
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« Reply To This Topic #12 on: Dec 19, 2007, 10:33:46 AM » |
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Absolutley outstanding! I would be thrilled with one trade silver piece...anything...you are very fortunate!
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« Reply To This Topic #13 on: Dec 23, 2007, 08:21:30 AM » |
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Heres some more pictures of the rest of the trade silver and pewter I found in 2007. The picture of the 2 pieces is to show some design and you can see they cut up larger pieces to make more smaller ones.
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« Reply To This Topic #14 on: Dec 23, 2007, 03:42:31 PM » |
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Very impressive frame of trade items. Most collectors I know around here would love to have found one or two of those great trade pieces. To have found a entire frame full is just awesome. Ive seen trade items like those in museums but have never found any in the field. Then again Ive never tried a detector, but I just [purchased one, and cant wait till spring.
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« Reply To This Topic #15 on: Dec 23, 2007, 09:33:24 PM » |
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Totally awesome display of silver Fur Trade. Just incredible..........Patina
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« Reply To This Topic #16 on: Dec 24, 2007, 03:23:33 PM » |
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Great display for sure! I love all those cut pieces and the hair tubes!
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"A culture truly grows great when old men plant trees in who's shade they know they will never sit"
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« Reply To This Topic #17 on: Dec 24, 2007, 07:43:00 PM » |
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Unreal! I can't wait til spring to go hunting again and maybe find one or two pieces. |
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« Reply To This Topic #18 on: Dec 26, 2007, 02:17:27 PM » |
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Wow.....jaw dropping stuff there that is for sure!! Thanks very much for sharing!
Absolute Banner material!
Steve
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« Reply To This Topic #19 on: Dec 29, 2007, 12:14:09 PM » |
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Nice stuff SteveO!!!! What a guy!!!!  Here is some of my stuff that has come from the same site. First picture is of my silver pieces. Second picture is of my favorite silver pieces from this site and the last picture is of a French clasp knife blade, kettle copper arrowhead, and some beads from the same site that I found this year. |
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« Reply To This Topic #20 on: Dec 29, 2007, 12:20:52 PM » |
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Heres my cross SteveO. I know you have seen it before, but thought everybody else might like to take a peek. Found in Northern Wisconsin in 2005. Thanks to P for the hot tip!
Cross was on the ear ring when found and also recovered a silver cone about 8" away that could have been attached too.
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« Reply To This Topic #21 on: Dec 30, 2007, 05:43:12 AM » |
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Absolutely amazing bunch of history!! Huge congratulations and thanks for sharing!
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« Reply To This Topic #22 on: Dec 31, 2007, 08:16:53 AM » |
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Wow, an awesome set of relics. I just read an article in the latest W&E Treasure magazine about these pieces. Stunning!
Keep digging (and sifting.)
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Steve0
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« Reply To This Topic #23 on: Dec 31, 2007, 12:21:01 PM » |
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some more trade
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« Reply To This Topic #24 on: Dec 31, 2007, 04:44:42 PM » |
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There was a piece larger than these on the "Antiques Roadshow" that was worth a few thousand dollars.They may have some value depending on the maker etc....
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« Reply To This Topic #25 on: Dec 31, 2007, 05:28:00 PM » |
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there's no doubt they have "some value"!! Watch the trade stuff on ebay- some hefty prices for much less than is shown above! Incredible collection!
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« Reply To This Topic #26 on: Jan 01, 2008, 01:11:26 AM » |
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Fantastic finds - well done.
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« Reply To This Topic #27 on: Jan 01, 2008, 10:26:26 AM » |
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Wheres last years stuff SteveO?  ? Heres some of my favorites. |
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« Reply To This Topic #28 on: Jan 01, 2008, 01:51:18 PM » |
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incredible finds congrats and hh
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