ExLibris
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« on: Feb 23, 2008, 11:32:56 AM » |
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Today i found this Papal Seal or "Bulla" from Pope Innocentius IV (1243-1254).
Rob
The "bulla" (seal)
The most distinctive characteristic of a bull was the metal seal, which was usually made of lead, but on very solemn occasions was made of gold (as Byzantine imperial deeds often were). It depicted the founders of the Church of Rome, the apostles Peter and Paul, identified by the letters Sanctus PAulus and Sanctus PEtrus. The name of the issuing pope is on the reverse side. This was then attached to the document either by cords of hemp (in the case of letters of justice, and executory) or by red and yellow silk (in the case of letters of grace) that was looped through slits in the vellum of the document. Bulla is the name of this seal, which to ancient observers looked like a bubble floating on water: Latin bullire, "to boil".
Since the late eighteenth century, the lead bulla has been replaced with a red ink stamp of Saints Peter and Paul with the reigning pope's name encircling the picture, though very formal letters, e.g. the bull of John XXIII convoking the Second Vatican Council, still receive the lead seal.
Original papal bulls exist in quantity only after the eleventh century onward when the transition from fragile papyrus to the more durable parchment was made. None survives in entirety from before 819. Some original leaden seals, however, still survive from as early as the 6th century.
Source : Wikipedia
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« Reply To This Topic #1 on: Feb 23, 2008, 11:41:51 AM » |
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bravo! what a find
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ExLibris
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« Reply To This Topic #2 on: Feb 23, 2008, 12:07:04 PM » |
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Now i know why this popes name was Innocent:
Torture
Torture was used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. Torture methods that resulted in bloodshed, mutilation or death were forbidden. Also, torture could be performed only once. However, it was common practice to consider a second torture session to be a "continuation" of the first.
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« Reply To This Topic #3 on: Feb 23, 2008, 12:10:39 PM » |
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WOW Ex that is awesome!
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« Reply To This Topic #4 on: Feb 23, 2008, 01:35:33 PM » |
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Congrats on a BANNER find Rob!!
Hal
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« Reply To This Topic #5 on: Feb 23, 2008, 02:28:55 PM » |
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Awesome lead seal, congrats! HH, Mike
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« Reply To This Topic #6 on: Feb 23, 2008, 02:32:20 PM » |
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That is absolutely beautiful!!! Awesome find Rob.   Outstanding job! |
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« Reply To This Topic #7 on: Feb 23, 2008, 02:54:35 PM » |
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TOO BUSY TO DETECT, YOU'RE TOO BUSY!!!
PLAY HARD, HUNT HARDER.
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« Reply To This Topic #8 on: Feb 23, 2008, 03:08:35 PM » |
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Absolutely incredible. It must be a joy to hunt in an area with so much history. Just no telling what will show up.
Congratulations
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« Reply To This Topic #9 on: Feb 23, 2008, 03:34:30 PM » |
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This is truly a FANTASTIC find! Nice work! And congratulations on the BANNER!!! |
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Any relics, coins, or other items appearing in my post above were found on PRIVATE PROPERTY with total consent and permission from the owners of said property.
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« Reply To This Topic #10 on: Feb 23, 2008, 03:38:45 PM » |
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Fantastic find !! Congrats...aa
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« Reply To This Topic #11 on: Feb 23, 2008, 03:51:15 PM » |
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pretty amazing....Congrats on the find....and making the banner....
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« Reply To This Topic #12 on: Feb 23, 2008, 04:26:51 PM » |
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Congratulations on a super historic find and thanks for the post explaining the Bulla.  Don |
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The value will increase with judicious cleaning."
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« Reply To This Topic #13 on: Feb 23, 2008, 04:38:18 PM » |
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very cool find and welcome to the net
HH DDEII
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« Reply To This Topic #14 on: Feb 24, 2008, 01:13:37 PM » |
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I usually get hammered for it but I have to ask...how much does such a nifty piece of history go for? A Benjamin? 5-10 Benjamins, or more?
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« Reply To This Topic #15 on: Feb 24, 2008, 01:14:51 PM » |
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WTG. Super Find
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« Reply To This Topic #16 on: Feb 24, 2008, 01:18:41 PM » |
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WOW is all I can say!
Awesome find!
Chris & LeeAnn
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« Reply To This Topic #17 on: Feb 24, 2008, 02:46:41 PM » |
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Wonderful find my friend, congratulations on making the banner.
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« Reply To This Topic #18 on: Feb 24, 2008, 04:49:16 PM » |
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Wow, awesome find, congratulations on finding it & for it making the banner
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« Reply To This Topic #19 on: Feb 24, 2008, 09:27:46 PM » |
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Truly Amazing Find. WOWWWWWW |
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I've always loved a treasure hunt, Dad had a machine and he made it fun, thought some day we might find a pot of gold. One day it made a sound hard to pin point, he said, "easy now, I think it's a coin," but when your a kid back is something hard to hold.
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« Reply To This Topic #20 on: Feb 24, 2008, 09:39:14 PM » |
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excellent...Hats Off!!
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« Reply To This Topic #21 on: Feb 25, 2008, 12:13:28 AM » |
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Bless You My Son for finding a great piece of History and for making the Banner
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Happy Hunting
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« Reply To This Topic #22 on: Feb 25, 2008, 12:55:11 AM » |
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Nice find Ex! Was this found in the Netherlands?
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ExLibris
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« Reply To This Topic #23 on: Feb 25, 2008, 02:28:35 AM » |
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Thank you all for your comments Nice find Ex! Was this found in the Netherlands?
Yes it was found near Utrecht, central Netherlands. Rob |
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« Reply To This Topic #24 on: Feb 25, 2008, 02:48:48 AM » |
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Do not believe a word you read on here, for the most part, use your best judgment, while you still have it. The longer you read this, the less good judgment you will possess.
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« Reply To This Topic #25 on: Feb 25, 2008, 09:01:32 AM » |
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Super find! Congrats on the Banner!
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« Reply To This Topic #26 on: Feb 25, 2008, 10:15:56 AM » |
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An excellent and amazing find, I've never found one, it's on my wish list.
congratulations and welcome to Tnet.
Dave.
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« Reply To This Topic #27 on: Feb 25, 2008, 10:30:07 AM » |
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Just as a passing comment, according to the BAR (Biblical Archeology) many bulla found in Israel and adjacent countries are clay and wax...
I would imgine that more precious metals were used for documents whereas clay and wax was used for grains, oils, and other food stuffs and other items of commerce...
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« Reply To This Topic #28 on: Feb 25, 2008, 12:32:23 PM » |
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Wow, Rob, what a superb find!!!! I was lucky enough to have detected in Augustinusga, Friesland last year and was absolutely amazed at the variety of "treasures" that are available in the fields of Holland.
Thanks for sharing the photos and the history lesson with us.
Ron in Georgia
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« Reply To This Topic #29 on: Feb 25, 2008, 04:34:01 PM » |
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Amazing congrats on the finds and the banner ;) |
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« Reply To This Topic #30 on: Feb 27, 2008, 04:29:51 AM » |
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Amazing find - well done
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