Basic signs and symbols you have found

I am aware of a lot of you guys who chase the Spanish trails,
There are a lot of people who think we are as nutty as fruitcakes for doing it and can't see what we see.
Here is your chance to share a sign or two... Nothing fancy, just basic signs and symbols.
A little education as it were.
I know all of us are angry when a sign or symbol is destroyed or missing,
Here is your chance to share a little and help people to understand that by moving, altering or destroying markers and monuments the trail and the history becomes lost in time, never to be recovered.

Here is one to start the ball rolling

The top part by itself is a trail marker that says you are on the one true trail
It is also used as an omega symbol to signify the end of a trail.
But as you can see this one had a line under it which is an astrological sign for Libra or the scales
which was used as a Gold sign. The actual trail pointer is the end of the rock this sign is on.

Thom

woohooo more lessons!     Looking forward to learning more.  Thanks my friend!  ~hugsnprayers~

Should be a good thread, no Spanish symbols my way though. Next you should do death traps. I saw the one you posted over on ALT, pretty cool!

                                                 kenb

Great pic, but what do you think it means?

Cavers5

i would like to see more of those symbols myself, I know I come across them and it just doesn't click so maybe if you post more than I will be on the look out for them. Also tell us what they mean.

   http://treasurehuntersuniversity.com/  

Rebel,

That site is OK if you are finding some signs,
But Many signs as I have said before aren't listed there or in his book.
I have collected over a thousand signs in the last 35+ years and am more than willing to share as many as I can with people along with what they mean as long as others reciprocate and post theirs as well.
I am also willing to help with meaning on as many as I can help with.

Thom

c'mon folks....post some signs and symbols so the lessons can begin!         

     Agree with you BOTH;  just "posted" THU for general education purposes.   REALLY need to see what pp have in terms of carvings, etc.  BUT!   Not everyone has a Digital Camera (aka "Digcam") to "post" these "goodies".   Being in VIRGINIA, with NO DigCam, I have MOSTLY carvings on trees... SOME on rocks with dates like 1883, 1885...    Carry On, Folks... 

This one says travel down canyon to big water with a steep bank on one side.
It also points out the next marker but that part isn't in the picture,
Just the basic text book type stuff right now...
Thom

Here is an eye symbol,

A little modified but still a good example.
The dot or eye ball points in the direction of the next marker.

Somebody else's turn...

Thom

I really need to pay better attention when I am out, cause I do see this stuff but think nothing of it. So glad you posted it can't wait to see more.

Thom,

I would post if I knew anything helpful. I'm not 100% sure about the meaning of anything I've found, so I can't say what it means. I have a feeling those who do know more aren't eager to share. Or maybe they just haven't seen the thread? Thank you for trying to educate the rest of us.

  Hmmm....those photo's look awful familiar...kinda like maybe they were takin with my camera mr....

  Talk at ya sometime in the morn partner...case break should be in the am. Any closer to getting monday free
and clear?

DW

Here is a pig I found. Doubt it was carved, but could have been used as a directional marker on a trail going in.
It should be known I've never followed markers to treasure (or haven't found the treasure yet), so I have no "proof" any of these were ever used

This is an "X". If you know anything about Spanish markers you'll know what it really is. The treasure was dug up about 50 yards or so from here with heavy machinery. I did not find this, nor did I dig up the treasure, just took the picture.

Hmm DW,

Seeing as how that is my hand ,,,,
Yes this is one you took. LOL
Email coming

BTW all concerned...
DW is my partner.

Thom

Randy,

That is an awesome pig ! Look closer and see if his eyes are open.
Animals such as Pigs, Lions, Bears etc...will look towards a treasure site.
If the eyes are closed you are there.

Thom

Randy,
that 'X' is a variation of a "Barrier" or St Andrews Cross
as you can see
It will be incorporated with other signs that will give the location of a cache or mine site.

Very nice sign
Thom

(Note. ...If Spanish, a cross will be ALWAYS drawn with a double line. And , or enclosed in a box.
That is a rule that they had to stick to. there are several of these rules that apply. we will address them as we come to them.)

How about these two?

Ed T

Or these three?

Ed T

Or these strange thing a ma giggies? These even come with a DEATH TRAP...

Ed T

And lastly...

Ed T

Can anyone tell me what an 8 with a cross means? In the direction of the pointy rock there is a shadowy figure of an 8 with a cross.

Ed T

This is even more fascinating than I thought it would be...gotta bookmark it so I can study when I get home from the gold show!!  Thank you oh so very much to all the teachers!   

Found the below on a wall, sure it is a
Spanish sign:


"INSANE LATINOS,  44TH STREET"

Was painted on a wall at 44th Hermitage,
Chicago.

have a good un........
SHERMANVILLE

Thom!!
I got a quwstion on pic #183.  There is a duckhead looking straight out to the camera, with the biggest eye looking to our left. Is this the same direction the bottom trail pointer also points to? And I have found that the shorter the beak, and the smaller the duck, the closer you are to " being there ". An open beak also, I think means that there is an opening, mine, tunnel, room, etc. Anyway,   Peace to All,    TD

Randy,
Lions
Thom

djui5!!

 Is that a heart, right behind the four face boulders in the front of picture, and at crest, far left is that a figure with wings.  Great Lion photo!!     TD

Ed,

The sun symbol with all of the circles and the two small circles inside the smallest circle is a watchful eyes sign as well as an owl sign.
This is a rare one, all in all it says beware a guarded treasure is ahead.

The four holes are in another post.
I think they are anchor points for a hoist or traverse system for moving great weights.
The holes would keep a hoist tower in place and reduce motion at the bottom while the machine was working.

Sorry Tony,
No duck in that photo.

Thom

Randy,
It certainly looks like a lion standing guard.
Once again if his eyes are open the direction he is looking is the direction to go.
If his eyes are closed you are there. (at the location he is guarding)
also marks a royal trail.

LOL
Thanks for the input Sherm.
I'll remember that if I go to Chicago.

Thom

Ed,
As far as the cross on the wall with the 8 near it...

Measure from the bottom of the cross to the ground.
Multply the distance by 8 and see what happens.
If the 8 were not there I would say the standard distance is times 10
The 8 may change that.
The direction is marked I'm sure.

Thom

djui5!!

 Is that a heart, right behind the four face boulders in the front of picture, and at crest, far left is that a figure with wings.  Great Lion photo!!     TD

Looks a little like one don't it I didn't notice that before. Who knows. When I get time I'll explore this area more.

Here is a pic of that death trap next to those thing a ma giggies...

Ed T

Ed,

As per my reply in the other post ... I wish there was more light in these pix.
It is VERY hard to see what you are trying to show us here.
Sorry.

Thom

Here is a pig monument that is a little clearer.
I took the photo yesterday to show what I am talking about.
the eyes are open. If I follow his gaze I should find another Pig with his eyes closed.
I will be at the treasure site.

Thom

It was pretty hard getting in there to take this pic and the ones with the thing a ma giggies old dog. The thing is that in the pic of the death trap, the one rock on the top is the death trap I am speaking of. It is about 15 to 20 feet tall and is being held up by the small pile of rocks in the pic of the trap. The rock with the thing a ma giggies is directly below this large rock and as one stands underneath it one feels as if the big rock will fall down on them and squash them like a bug. Maybe the next time I take a trip down there, possible in Dec., I will try to take some better pics, though these were taken with the flash on at close range.

Ed T

Thanks Ed.

The heart is a classic symbol that represents gold ahead. it is a directional mapointer and will point to the next marker as well as the treasure. Heart signs will get significantly smaller as you get closer to where the treasure is stashed. they will warn of potential dangers such as a death trap. They dont point it out but they do let you know it is there.

Thom

Here is a Jesuit church sign that is a little modified but still clear and basic textbook type stuff.

Here is an end of the trail sign.
It tells you the last sign is near.

Sorry I won't post the last sign.

oh man!!  I want the last sign and it's gps coordinates!     Sorry...could not resist!     This is really fascinating to see Thom.  I love it!  You should have a book too!!  Thanks for sharing with us!  ~hugs~

This is a royal poodle on one of my sites in arizona. I have recently found one here in colorado that hopefully i will be hiking and looking into in the next day or so and hopefully be able to give out some info on what this means besides its connection with the king.

Here is a cliff face sign which would only take your attention if you had dowsed behind it first, to a gold cache. The barely visible heart is telling you that there is gold behind the right hand lobe.The only problem is that they had cemented a false front about 6 foot deep at the hearts rear.  When the heart and the surrounding area was removed, 3 foot lower, this palm sized hand carved heart showed up. THe bump on its side is showing me a trap. I didnt recognise it until after I set it off.

The lower bump on the left hand side of the carving was saying ( death trap here)  I followed an obvious lower trail to this area and accidentally set off the trap. With a large "crack" a specially carved long flat 2 foot wide rock slid silently to my feet. I always work from the distance with long handled shovels. Another small tunnel on the opposite side of my excavation below this heart showed up.

About 3 foot inland was a mass of roots indicating a cache, only they weren't old dried up cache roots. It was bundled up grass imitating roots inviting me to open up this small tunnel. No way known. The slanting wall of debris on the left is dezigned to come down on you.This is the fourth and 5Th trap I escaped in 15 years. What drew my attention to this cache was two huge obviously man made rocks acting as buffers in front from the sea , placed in a heart shaped position with the vee of the huge heart directly below the further back inlaid heart sign as shown below.. Below the inlaid heart sign buried in the sand were two pieces of wood which were off a local tree that last for hundreds of years, just in case you missed  the heart. Max

In this photo you can see a rising sun sign.
This sign tells you to go East
Count the rays and measure in varas , X 10 or X 100 if no other indicators are there.
In this case there were. A V indicates varas.

After the last sign I figured the whole pannel would better show the whole picture.
Here you can see the sun and the V together.
As well as a snake on the side pointing towards danger.

I will never look at rocks the same again.....makes me think back and wonder how many times I walked right on past things that would have been more fun to see.   

Every time we find an eye symbol it seems a bit different and never quite as any others I have seen
Text books show it as a clear sign with an iris to point the direction.
All of them we find are modified in some way but all have an iris and all point in that fashion.
The add ons they give with all of this extra stuff indicates things that the maker of the sign wanted to convey and may be lost to time.

As far as basic textbook type signs and symbols go,
there is no set rule that says they will be chiseled into a rock or carved on a tree.
many and even most, you will find fashioned from a flat stone and laying right on the ground.
They will be leaning against another rock or even stuck in a tree or a cactus. We have found them propped up on a ledge or tucked away in a small hole.
Here is a trail sign that is often ignored , it is a boot and if alone the toe of the boot will point the direction of travel, otherwise a trail of smaller stones will lead from the part of the sign they wanted you to follow.
The boot also tells you, you are following the correct trail.

The church bell was not just a pirate sign
It is also a good Spanish sign to know.
It says the treasure is near.
Here is a picture of one ,
it is one of two that I have seen that are not carved into trees or chiseled into a rock.

that bell is pretty cool!  I wonder how many of the signs that are like those end up moved by someone that has no clue what they are there for....I can just see someone making a fire ring gathering up all those signs as they go.   

Here is the renowned number 7,
this is the classic sign used by the Jesuits to represent Gold or treasure.
it is most commonly used to mark a campsite.

all of the signs you see will not be on a wall, they may be underfoot and you may just walk right past ...

Cyndi,
They also end up as lawn decorations,
There is a member whose girlfriend collects hearts,
who knows how many Spanish ones she has taken home.

Thom

   I wonder if she will realize it someday.  lol

She probably will never care,
some people are so single minded that historical importance won't ever matter.

Thom

As long as we are talking about signs that fit a text book theme
Monuments need to be covered as well.
Turtles are a trail marker that many people seem to think is a necessary ingredient for a treasure trail.

This is totaly untrue !
But a turtle certainly will get your blood going.
A turtle ALWAYS points to treasure.
The treasure may not be gold or silver...
it may be a protected water hole or camping spot with fortifications.

Here is a sea turtle that is looking straight up a cliff at a heart shaped hole.
Sorry it isn't a little bigger, I took the picture as I drove by. This monument is about 1/4 mile away.

That is too cute!!  I think I would be tempted to peek in that hole and if nothing was there leave something!  lol

Cyndi,
Righ now there is no way of getting to it.
there is a creek between you and it,
and right now the creek is close to reaching flood stage.
There is a ten foot cliff between the creek and the ledge where the turtle sits.
So that turtle is large enough for you to have to stand on his back to see into that hole.

Just to see how observant you are...
there is something in that hole already.

Thom

wish I had zoom on here!  lol  Looks like there is a little rock or something there but can't see well enough to tell what it is....that would make me flat nuts!  I would be trying to figure out some contraption to get closer!   

Some times that small stone will be a pointer directing you to either the next sign or the cache itself.

It has me pondering as well...

That posting #51 of #7 an old spanish jesuit sign is a beauty if you know what it is saying. In the pic below the seven is pointing with its leg at a hidden cave, an assorted jesuit cache that I have known of for many years. The cave is about thirty paces away in a cliff fronted front yard of a multi million dollar property.  I have spoken to the owner and he is not interested. I never noticed this sign which uses the leg of the pointer to say go forward and dig down. This shallow water petroglyph has again dissappeared. There are various markers of different descriptions all pointing at this cave.  This marker  is about two feet across. Max

If I was running a class on intereperating jesuit petroglyphs, this would be a classic of what to look for. It has many messages. It is about a ton in weight and is about 3  to 4 feet long.
The ends of the boulder have been shaped exactly to the shape of the surrounding left and right cliff fronts.
If you look carefully you will notice a figure E or a semi heart on top facing to the east (left)
If you again look carefully you will notice two pointers pointing to the ground.
They are saying dig down for further instructions.THe left hand pointer produced this large hand carved marker at a depth of one foot.
This smaller petrogph is the size of a large saucepan ( about a foot across)and is carved out of granite and weighs about 30 lbs.
It is saying dig into the cliff front on the left hand side of the large rock. It doesnt have to say where, as they used standard pacings to targets of three and a quarter paces ( ( ten feet, three spansh varas or 3 meters) between each cache buried in the hillside. Will get back to this rock probably tomorrow as Vegies are awaiting me. It is a half century drought we are having in Australia. An interesting afterthought, the Jesuits were here for at least 2 centuries untill the first 2 decades of the 19th cent. They left a trap of  stink bombs at one site soaked in sulpuric Acid and the nearby buried broken wine bottle( buried) (The area was inhabitated by settlers around 1830). iThe bottle dated very early 19 century. (They were nasty thugs) If you have time to go back over old postings on treasure net you will find many similar markers posted in by readers.  There was obviously an unwritten Jesuit rule that no two indicators should look alike, and in most circumstances three caches at any one site was the norm with only one indicator of great notice with each set of caches. The right hand pointer is a little beauty re what it was pointing at  Max

Thanks for the help Hetty,

I think it pretty interesting to find that no matter where in the world you are,
 the signs are basically the same if the Spanish or the SJ left them.
I have a friend in Tailand who finds the same signs and symbols.

I agree 100%, the traps the SJ set up were on the evil side of diabolical.

Awesome stuff Hetty.
Thom

I would like to thank all of you whom have contributed to this topic...I have found it very interesting as well as educational. I also realize that this information did not come easy to you....but only after countless hours of trial and error in the field....Steve

amen!

Steve,
This in my opinion is treasure hunting at it's finest.
The more people know about this the fewer monuments and signs will get destroyed.

Hopefully this thread will go farther.
There are so many good basic signs and symbols that are available .
sometimes guys don't realise that a sign is not what gives the location away.
it is the surrounding area.
A close up of the symbol is great for study too.

Wish others could find it in thenselves to give a little
But it's OK if they don't too. I put this here for anyone to reference.
maybe a sign will show up and you will get a revelation on something you are boggled with.
Who knows

Old Dog and others. Thanks for your encouragement. As long as I am not talking to empty air I will continue.
The Petroglyph I have been referring to showed another interesting aspect on its left hand end. Just under the level of the sand are nine notches or indentations which are the number of caches on the left. THere are plenty of identical examples shown here by other posters.
I dont think they were aware of the indentations. It took me 10 years to work out this one.

This cliff face shown at high tide has 9 filled in tunnels each at sea level or a little higher going inland in 3 vara (10 foot ) stages. Why I mention stages as the filled in Tunnels each have a at least two caches.
The first at 10 feet will have a marker such as a stalactite  cemented on the left hand wall pointing to the right. The right hand turn off will contain a cache of gold bars of approx. 2 cubic feet in dimensions ( roughly 2 tons.)

Back in the main tunnel a further 10 feet of ecxavation will yield a 2nd cache.
This particular site was one of the most important on the Australian mainland. They frequented this area for several centuries.
 At regular 10 foot intervels turtles were present pointing to the cliff fronts.

The right hand side of the rock has a second arrow pointing down. Note that it is at the bottom of the staircase and there is a cliff behind .
By digging down at the arrow at 1 foot in depth I discovered 2 carvings encouraging to dig behind the rock into the hillside for the usual distance.
The hand carved pickhead in minature and the round "Pozo" say dig here in a tunnel behind me. The round Carving represents a tunnel.

The left hand side of the staircase has an ancient hand carved rock which is a curved banana shape. I call these a beckoning marker. Picture a Spanish don arriving at a doorway at the same time as a female. He stops , bows and flourishing his plumed hat  beckons her through first. A beckoning marker is a semi circle marker which is purely an arrow or pointer. It can be a handspan in width and constructed of a different coloured soil or a shaped rock such as shown which would weigh about a ton.

The curved handshaped rock on the left hand side of the staircase is partly obscured by the overhead bush has an important point that could be overlooked . From the left hand side of the right hand petroglyph to the extreme left hand edge of the left hand beckoning rock measures exactly three and a quarter paces, meaning that all pacing for all the left hand side caches commence from this point. The first tunnel is exactly just past the left hand side of the beckoning sign.

I have inserted that petroglyph in again as we are not finished with it. On top of this rock is the figure "E" or 3 or it can be taken as a beckoning sign as it is pointing up to the left in an all encompasing manner including upwards and forwards.
Besides the water level inward tunnels along the beach there is a blown up cave higher up which was created long ago at sea level and the shifting of tectonic plates pushed the cave upwards to the top of the level of the top of the staircase. And for thousands of years the caves entrance was staring out to sea sadly untill the Jesuits arrived, filled it with treasure then blew it up, then cemented up the entrance so no one would ever have an inkling that a cave had ever existed here. The only clue which is worth remembering for active t/ hunters is the angle of the "figure 3 or E " ( or a broken heart meaning gold here but beware of booby traps) figure which is pointing at everything to the left including upwards. If the cave had been at sea level the top inscription would have been lower.
I will not be removing any more underground indicators of which there are some left . There are several more caches or more to the right of this petroglyph and all will be double caches, and all are three and a quarter paces apart. At the cliff top to the right are specially planted trees three and a quarter paces apart, and the most remarkable nature of these trees is that they come from Western Australia  which is over 2 thousand miles away, which apparrantly does not raise eyebrows or curiousity.They have grafted intructions attatched which I find interesting.  The important feature of all markers to remember is that they are NEVER of local origin. Max

Hetty, It looks as if in your location you had a couple of SJs who would take a royal sign and make it mean exactly opposite it's intended meaning.
The SJ didn't play by the rules , that's for sure.
No wonder the King of Spain developed a bad attitude towards them.

Thom

to make a marker the Spanish would often use a natural thing and simply place it where it would be seen or noticed.
example a bright white rock in a field of red ones.
Or as this picture shows...
A dark brown one on a field of almost white...

Very pretty area and the dark rock does stand out but only because of this thread...would have never noticed it before.   

The Spanish would also use clutter to confuse the untrained eye and in the midst of the clutter leave one clue as a direction to follow.
But looking past all the clutter,
In this case a heart pointing a clear trail.

Cyndi,
These things are what I call eye catchers.
They basically amount to a natural object in an unnatural place or position.
They are only meant to draw your attention to something else.
This photo is another good example.
Note the brighter white colored stone in the hole on the other side of the canyon.

that one caught my eye right away. yay!  getting better at this   lol

Cyndi,
Now that you have the basic Idea go back and look at that turtle picture and see how absolutely quick that little stone in the heart jumps out and says "here I am!"

You might just be a little surprised.

Thom

Oh for cryin out loud....you are right...it is far more obvious now!  Hurry up and get over there and peek inside already!!   

You are getting the eye catcher idea .....
That's a good beginning.

I hope you get the chance to use what you learn.

Thom

Boy, wouldn't THAT be something...of course I wanna be far more versed in recognizing diabolical DTs before I start poking around too much of those.   lol

Some times the trail marker is an old stump.
These are left after the Spanish cleared the trail for mule traffic.
Surprisingly enough the trails are still clear with little or no growth in them even today.
these trails can be seen from thousands of feet up with Google earth, and are even more evident on the ground.
This stump points out a two way trail as indicated by the two branches pointing, one each way.
Watch for small stones that may be stuck in a permanent way in a crack or crevice in the stump.
it could mean the difference between turn here and find a fortune or go straight on to Santa Fe....

I have 2 questions about trail markers in non-mountainous areas.

1. How far away did they travel from the trail marker? It had to be close enough for them to see it, right?

2. Did they have a tendency to follow water, ridges, tree lines, or anything in particular?

This about the rock I have that I decided was trail marker. It faces and is on the edge of a very rocky area. No one would choose it for a trail when there are smoother areas all around. That doesn't make sense. It does look like it may have been a creek at one time, long ago.

A neighbor has an "old grave" at the back of their property which could be another marker. I don't know them very well, this isn't a very chatty neighborhood. When I tried to find out more about the old grave, they got kinda crabby about it and clammed up. In years of researching the local history, I've found no one who would have been buried in either grave. Which doesn't mean they aren't graves, of course. But why would that beautiful heart have been on a grave?

We have plenty of old stumps like that, Thom. Is there anything unusual about the ones the Spanish left that I could look for?

I can't let this go. Does anyone have any books to suggest? I just ordered some through the library. I plan to look at more when I'm through with these.

Hi Sue,

Most markers are usually no more than 30 or 40 feet apart.
If an area to be traveled is open and clear the markers will be large and high enough to be seen as far as 8 miles away, but generally speaking they would put them on the prominent hilltops each marker can be seen from the last and vice verse.

The cool thing about the stumps on cleared mule trails...
ALL were cut with an axe. most will have a single branch left attached or a leaner to show the direction of travel.
they will have done every attempt to kill said tree. rarely are they still growing.
The stumps that I have found are from 4 feet tall to 18 inches.

Thom

I have been reading and re-reading this post ,trying to absorb all the information. I have been an avid sign watcher/finder  for sometime now and find all of this absolutely fascinating. This is a great thread and the knowledge that has been brought to it is unsurpassed. I really want to thank all of you who contributed to it and hope that you will continue. I need to go back and re-examine a few places that I know had Spanish activity....but out of lack of knowledge at the time ,I didnt realize what I had found. Pack up the camper Steve...we have some work to do....
Thanks to all and please keep this going....

Christy,

Hope some of this helped you,
or gave you something to go back and look for.

Thom

Tom,
It's not just me,
It is every person who posts here.
we all get help some where, and you just helped Ed and I.
The extra light sure put a different candor on things


Thanks Buddy
Thom

Christy,

Hope some of this helped you,
or gave you something to go back and look for.

Thom

As much as I dont want to admit this ...I will ....I was one of those dorks who took home a heart shaped rock....because it was so perfect.....but...I know exactly where I found it ....it was on top of two stacked rocks...I remember thinking....how in the world did a heart get there....LOL...big dork....but I was fifteen so please forgive me....I know there are treasure hunters now circling those stacked stones saying" well hell all the signs are here,but there should be a heart rock" ......So over the years I have now learned a little more....will return that rock some day and look for more signs.....

If you find more signs you are obligated to share pics pretty lady!  lol  I can imagine doing the same thing had I found a heart shaped rock when I was 15.  Glad you remember where it came from and plan to check the area.  Would be very cool if you found more signs!   

in regards to the Jesuits leaving their buried loot near trails, on my coastal area of eastern Victoria Ausralia all the old trails around here are aboriginal. The Jesuits didnt bother making new trails, they just buried their caches within a pace or two on the side of existing paths.
We have a long living tree called a Moonah and the oldest samples are reputably thousands of years old. In an earlier posting on this thread I showed several "markers" of hundreds of years old  moonah roots. Thinking of one particular path , the marker for the top  end of a run of caches along this winding track leading down to the beach is a black rock buried with just its top barely showing. It means "stop" .
Walking down this path and pacing out 3 and a quarter paces you will come to your first Jesuit marker amid the brush on the side of the path on your right. THey never used their left side in markers. THey planted small Moonah seedlings over the caches and bent the growing saplings towards the path in a hoop like fashion. THis method of marking is Pacific wide where possible. Or else just a small handle full of soft pebbles over each site , which make a crunching sound when probed for with a thin steel probe bar. Circling around this marker over 360 degrees at a distance of three and a quarter paces will give you an insight as to other caches as there will be a minium of three.

I will find and insert a typical marker. the right hand end of the branch has a a cache at a depth of three and a quarter paces.( I have severat thousand pics stored on Picasa.
It has cement blocking a diggers path at a depth of 30 inches. Cement in a beach sand dune area? THis is a standard clever marker through out the influence of Jesuit burials.
If you look at the left hand end of the branch you will  notice that it is forked. All jesuit pointers are the opposite to an arrow. Being the free end i dug down a little at the right hand end where I had dowsed treasure buried deep below. I forgot about my deep signal when I discovered a trail of local sea shells called pippies extending from right to left. The sea shells were mimicking a tunnel and built up in crescendo as I approached the left hand end of the branch.

Suddenly I was looking down at a minature copy of a cave entrance filled with black top soil , being black which meant dont go any further, about a foot wide and had a piece of sea shell  cemented on the right hand side pointing to the left.
THat sea shell pointing to the left also was a message. The never went to the left so it had to be a hoax.The clever devils spent half their time miming false instructions . It was exactly three and a quarter paces to the inch from the minature cave entrance back towards the other end of the hooped branch where I got the gold here dowsing signal.
That vee on the left hand  end of the branch also can mean dig at the usual distance in that direction. I couldnt dig much there as the silver box with pearls was buried at a depth of 10 feet under the edge of roadside bitumen.

I noticed a posting on another thread where a digger investigating a pertroglyph discovered a layer of black cinders at about a foot in depth. It means  " not here"  and can also mean " to my right"
Will give others a go on this thread as I learn also off others . Regards MAX

fascinating Hetty!  Thanks for sharing with us.  This thread is just truly amazing and thought provoking!  We are so blessed to have such good teachers here to share! 

Hey Bluestem, I couldnt resist answering your post re stumps.Years ago I was underground in a vast Jesuit tunnel complex and ran across a commode made out of sandstone. THe hole was slightly to the right In this case it meant dig down slightly to the right.
Some time later after learning countless signs under ground I discovered the commode was common above ground.
This immitation commode has firstly either three or in many cases seven borer holes. Sometimes dozens to make sure you do not miss the tree stump or also on trees. We have no borers in Australia.

Secondly take note that the trunk has been removed leaving 2 levels which Identify it as a jesuit commode marker. The stepped down section is the
direction to travel ( three and a quarter paces) And the centre hole points the way exactly.Max

I'll be looking at stumps tomorrow. Some do look like they were cut with an ax.

About 60-70 feet from this marker rock there used to be a large flat rock in the middle of a field of grass, with a few smaller rocks around. (The rocks in front of the marker rock "flow" in a different direction.) These rocks looked very out of place. They looked like they came from in front of the marker rock. My husband finally moved them when mowing. The two largest can still be seen on some satellite photos. I can see them being used to point the way now.

Great thread, Thom! Thank you for starting it. It's given me several light bulb moments, and I've spent at least 2 years lurking here and on other boards. I guess usually information discussed is so specific to particular site or picture that it doesn't translate to other spots so well. You approached it from the other direction. At least for me. And my thanks to everyone who has participated, particularly Hetty.

Hmmmmmm.....

Thanks again OD. This is an excellent Topic. Have been away as you know. Just had the chance to read this topic. Thanks for all your unselfish help. You and everybody who contributes. Hetty glad to see you posting on Tnet. I hadn't had the chance to see your post before. Thank you " 10X ".  Excellent Info. 

You are all welcome.
Thanks to everyone who comments,
 and special thanks to Hetty.
Was digging and found the other bell sign,
This is another of DW's pictures
he does an awesome job.

Thom

The sign that says you are on the right trail is a good one to know and can show up in any number of ways.
As a negarive on the edge of a stone as a positive carved into a stone or tree .
It can even be a shadow created by an artist and the passing sun.

Note that when you start finding shadow markers it will be a long hard search.

Note the shadow on the face of the rock. it comes down the face to create the sign.

Well I read all this and I feel stupid for all the years I've missed out on some fun. I lived in Las Vegas, NV for 5 years and my older bro and I would go out and hike alot just East of the city and some times North. I would point out what weird rock that where laying out and about. I do remember hearts,crosses, and many more just out there plan as day. I was only 10-12 yrs old at the time and now Im 29 and the memories are coming back. My brother still lives out there and I really need to tell him to go back to that cave we found with markers. Fun story how we fun it just by accident when driving and had to a Short Call pit stop. Cave was small only big anuff for a medium built person about 3.5 ft high and maybe 4ft long hidden by brush and a huge rock next to it with shadow hidding it. But in side was huge and you could walk around in. I did see tunnels but nevered went in and yes sign on the side. Had a bad feeling on it and so we left. I think a vacation is coming up this summer and I'm going out. Thanks for this posting it was helpful. Sincerely T Frazier

lots of amazing folks here sharing information....feels like we got our own lil college of signs here.  Thanks so much to the instructors and for the participation from everyone else as well.  Gives me a place to learn something fascinating!   

Hi soldier,

What we are posting here are basic signs, so that the average person can be a little more informed about the world around them.
A sign on the ground may be as simple as a stone placed where it did not occure naturally.
Trails are mostly easy to follow if you look at what they put there for you to see.
Here is an example of a trail marker that is all alone and still gives a direction to go,,,

Signs will show up in some strange places
Like the middle of an open field.

Can't get much more eye catching than that one!

When all the signs have gone awol and you can't seem to find any in your fiel of view....
Be aware that the Spanish went long distances on foot,
but they also rode horses. SO LOOK UP !
Many of the signs you will encounter are at your eye level.
if the signs disappear remember to look up,
as they may have been placed at eye level to a man on horseback.

They may have been placed higher than that for a reason... these direct your attention to a point long distant.

[Situations vacant]

Old Dog and  readers. Please note that most of Jesuit markers and deposits where possible are on hillsides. The reason for this is that the best man traps could be set on hill sides  after burying their caches at the standard depth of 10 feet. Those of you who would like to obtain only one or two bars at a few feet are only dreamers. Its very difficult to set a man trap physically. So the Jesuits worked out a very cheap plan of using gravity to do there work. Many monuments have a grave like structure just underground on the rising ground .It is a trench usually lined if possible with timber or rocks and about 4.6 inches long and about 2 foot three inches wide. The inside of this trench is usually about several feet deep and they  prefer to construct it facing south . There are usually indicators inside the "grave" easily understood which tell you to follow their pointed small rocks, arrows , sea shells or colored sand downwards and forwards at about 45 degrees. To how deep? Dont worry you will never find out. You will be dead caused by weights in the overhead sand burying you.

The Jesuits just paced 45 degrees angle to the right for 3 and a quarter paces and dug straight down, with the sky always above their heads.
The gold is buried in posthole fashion about 1 foot by 1 foot by about 4 foot deep. They buried it in a manner difficult to accidently uncover it. To know if you are on site, probe down several inches. There will be a flat rock, a sea shell, several small grouped stones , in other words something that shouldnt be there.

On the sides of gulleys here in coastal eastern australia they buried silver boxes every 10 feet apart and 10 feet deep about two or three times the size of a cigar box" Edge On" to escape accidental discovery.  I once dowsed jewels in one box years ago but all the rest have pearls.
The last dowsing session I had was June 2004. I dowse via sun flares and a partial or full moon for deflection. I invented dowsing rods a hundred times more powerful than conventional l shaped rods In January 2004 which give a clear mental picture of a target for a few seconds. The solar flares that I dowse and dig by come in 11 year cycles and we are in the second year of the present cycle.
Weak flares are gradually commencing , however they are not yet of sufficient strength to dowse and dig by.
If you are interested in dowsing Follow Noaas daily space weather bulletins
Situations vacant I dont need the rods to find gold , I have all the sites I could use for several centuries. What I need is an assistant who can dig or maybe two.
If you live in australia and are interested PM me. Maybe even an electronic expert who can reproduce a gadget that can supply and envelope a complete body with magnetic flux, it does not have to be mobile in my case as I can mentally bring the target to me. With my rods you would be made.
Pic is a 20 strength verical dowsing rod.  Its separators nonconductive, its rods are 1/8 aluminium and length is just shy of three feet.

It is held vertically within several inches of your legs to be surrounded by your bodies magnetic aura boosted by sun flares reflected by the unabstructed moon day or night. Good luck.
          Max