Basic signs and symbols you have found

Thom
 Here is to a 1000 posts!!
 Here is to a 1000 more!!

and 30,000* views! wow!

so here is to those who wish us well......
and those who dont can go to ..........

rangler
* about half of those views are mine!! hehe

thanks for all the info you true treasure hunters give out so freeley without wanting anything in return,without you hunters many of us rookies would have ended our quest while sitting next to the ones that are being ignored right now.keep the dreams going and the info flowing. thanks brent

  CONGRATULATIONS  THOM   And I want to Thank You All,, and I do mean ALL,, for taking me on this Wild and Crazy Adventure!!!!     td

OD,
Thanks so much for this thread.  Love all the great information it gives and answers to many puzzling questions.  Also, thanks for all those who have given their best shot at some of the s/s.  All of us are on our own journey into historic verification.  This forum unites us into one big amazing journey. 
okey dokey

I am flattered, and Honored to have each and every one of you along on this ride with me.
It wouldn't be what it is without all of you as well.
Keep posting and discussing with us as we go back into time,
Lets have another thousand posts as nicely Done as these last thousand were.

Thom

Hey Thom and others.  I found this book by accident while looking for something else.  Naturally I thought of this thread and thought I would post to see if anyone has read this and what they thought.  If someone has never seen it before then maybe it might be useful for them?   Good luck!

http://turtlesleadtotreasure.com/Home_Page.php

CT
This book is at best a stretch of copied information from Kenworthy's books,
as well as some from Gale Rhoads "Waybill to Spanish Mines and Treasures"

The original information is, as I said above, a stretch.
Mostly another treasure hunter who didn't have enough of his own information to print something new.

Ok.  As I said I happened upon it by accident and thought I'd share just in case. 

Oh ya,..... CONGRAT'S  Thom!!  Well done.  Definately one of the best threads on this huge site!   

Thom,

Did the spanish use bent trees or was that only the "other" group?

Yes the Spanish used bent trees,
they also used to find the trees that when killed would lay forever on the ground as pointers.
I have posted some in this thread that were as old as 300+ years.

They would trim trees and leave only one branch alive to point the way or clear trails and leave the stumps as markers.
I have posted many of these as well that are again 300+ years old.

Mesquite and Cedar work well in your part of the country.
One tell tale sign is the trimming would have been done with an axe (not a saw),
I will find a bent cedar tree for you that I put in another post and put it here as well.

Thom

Thanks I started asking around "beacuse they are so neat and I want a picture of my daughter on one"     and have gathered a lot of leads...

Reason I was asking is to know what to look for and which post to ask questions in.  Don't want to take this one off topic if its KGC instead of Spanish.

Thom if I ever do find anything I will have to pay you a %, with out your help I would be no where. 

Thanks again!

Whether or not I get anything from your find,
You are already finding treasure.
The trails themselves are treasure.

So I guess I should mail you a twig. lol

So I guess I should mail you a twig. lol

Careful what you do . Thom sent me parts of a twig and I sent him parts of a twig back and all this swelled into a lasting friendship that continues to this day .
 Jim

Hi Thom,

I was wondering if you could tell me why a symbol of the cross of caravaca would be at a site with other treasure related symbols?

Thanks,
Rick

Rick,
can you send me a picture of the cross?
It may be a directional thing.
The Caravaca cross is also known as the cross of Lorain,
there are many different types of this cross and they all get lumped together.
The small things that make irregularities are what determine the directional with this one.

Thom

Cherryman,
I sent Jim a pair of rosewood dice with brass spots.
and a carved articulated teddy bear.

Jim sent me a wooden spoon that I haven't seen since I got it.
(my wife took it) LOL

Jim is the best.

Thom

Thom,

I agree with the other members and would like to join them in thanking you for this very educational thread. It rare to find a tracker of your caliber who is willing to help bring us newbies up to speed and will share honest hard earned information. I hope you publish your findings one day because I'll be one of the first to purchase a copy. Thanks again!     

Old Dog, You are a Professional and a Gentleman. You are also my Buddy. " Gracias Por Todo " May God continue to Bless you, Guide you and protect you !!!

                                                                             

Hi Rick,
take another look at that cross and make sure everything is equal sized.
Especially on the lower crossbar, if it is tilted or on side is slightly longer it is distinctly directional.
The higher end of a tilted crossbar oe the longer side is the directional.
You may very well be correct as to the signature aspect.
But it never hurts to be doubly sure.

Let me add my  congratulations and gratitude for this thread.  Thank you for your help and starting me, personally,  off on a wonderful journey! 

Look forward to another 1000 posts here!


Kim

In that case Rick,
Here is a summary of the research I have on that cross.
I know of no particular person who used it as their signature.
But it is mostly known as the wishing cross and the most famous and most popular of the wishes when placed was "Oro para ti".
It has been sported that anyone who looks upon the cross wishing the same wish as the originator will get his desire.

Below is a very shortened version of the history of the cross itself.

The town is dominated by the walled site (the walls are what remains of a Moorish castle) of the church of the Santísima y Vera Cruz (the most holy and true cross) in whose Sanctuary the cross is housed. The castle was once the local headquarters of the Knights Templar, who ran the town from 1266 until they were disbanded by Pope Clement V in 1312, though Caravaca’s development took off after the fall of Granada to Ferdinand and Isabella in 1492. The church and Sanctuary were built on the site of the castle in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries, while the magnificent baroque façade, complete with large, carved pilgrim scallop shells, was added in the eighteenth.

Most of Caravaca’s beautiful churches were constructed during this same period of Murcian Renaissance, but its long earlier history as a border town between Christianity and Islam is still built into its street celebrations – which embrace the whole town – and in a less overt way into the fabric of some of its buildings. The fine wooden ceiling of the Church of the Immaculate Conception on the Calle de la Corredera, for example, was carved by Muslim converts who shaped no images into the wood, only Islamic-style patterns. Around the walls, in their own chapels and recesses, are life-size images of Our Lady and the saints. This unusual combination does not jar. The church is an echo on a grand scale of a miniature curiosity that can be found in the small number of jewellery and souvenir shops: it is possible to buy a pendant which has the town’s proudest and holiest possession, the two-armed cross, nestled into the gentle grip of an Islamic crescent moon. This thoroughly Catholic town seems entirely at ease with such juxtapositions possibly because the central historical/legendary event which encapsulates the encounter with Islam is not one of conflict and conquest but of conversion.

The story goes that on 3 May 1232 the Moorish King, Ceyt Abuceyt, dragged his prisoner, the priest Gines Perez Chirinos, out of his cell to celebrate Mass, about which the Muslim monarch had become curious. The priest made everything ready but then announced that he could not proceed without a crucifix. At this point two angels appeared, carrying the two-armed Vera Cruz and the astonished Muslim king converted immediately to Christianity. A more prosaic explanation of the presence of this piece of first-century Palestinian wood is that it was brought from the Holy Land by person or persons unknown, having originally been discovered by St Helena, mother of Constantine, on a trip to Palestine in the early fourth century.

Rick,
This isn'nt the normal trail sign.
This is a treasure sign.

Read through this thread and see how many times I have said this  !
Not Many.
I wish you good luck on your search for signs.
I'm glad to help where I can.
Be sure to document your trail.
Where you are there may be a book in it.

"ORO PARA TI"
(Gold for you)

You MUST keep us informed of your progress. I'm very intrested to know where this leads. Don't need to know what you find for your own safety, but if there are any other signs symbols please let us know!

I was out checking some leads this morning with a friend,
we saw another owl that is a hard one to miss.
This thing sits right in the middle of an old archaeological dig.
had to get back a ways to catch it...
guage the size by the pine tree next to it.

I always did like bird watching!

Nice!

Old Dog
Nice Owl

Here is my 2 cents - Areas of Interests

Ribbit..

i see a Frog as well..

VN owl OD.

Old Dog
Nice Owl

Here is my 2 cents - Areas of Interests

Current melt value of a penny: $0.0038806.  You may wish to up your ante.

Dsty,
If there is a snake there it wouldn't surprise me.
The whole area is a stepped canyon side and could be quite treacherous.
Always a good idea to use the caution these guys advise when they did advise.

When a cross is carved on a clifft and near a campsite it is important its  size?

And What does a frog stand for?

When a cross is carved on a clifft and near a campsite it is important its  size?

The size and determination will give the cross definite meaning.
A cross with a tilted cross bar is directional .
A cross with one side of the bar longer that the other is directional.
if there is a point on the bottom of the upright pointing down... dig here.
if the cross is slanted or several crosses together all slanted the same the crosses are directional
follow the way they lean.
You may find a cross on a wall or a tree a few feet off the ground,
measure from the bottom of the cross and multiply that amount by varas and dig that far.

Crosses are an important sign.

And What does a frog stand for?

Most aquatic animals were used to indicate a good water source.
Turtles are the exception.
I am not sure about this being a frog,
however there is a good source of year round water within a quarter mile on this site.

May i meekly  add .... sometimes its not a bad idea to check and make sure the cross is not part of some larger symbol. Step back and  look at it from a bigger point of view.   

Good day all.....

I am new to all of this and have been looking at all the posts and pix.  I hade downloaded quite a few and am making my own observations as well.  I currently live in Colorado Springs and am excited to try and get started on this as I think that the C/S area would be an AWESOME area to check around.  If anyone has any additional input into areas that MIGHT be good to start in (in the Springs) it would be very much appreciated.

Good hunting all,

Nick

Welcome Nick,

Take a drive up Ute Pass just out of Manitou Springs. You will be surprised at what you see on both sides of Highway 24. Also Highway 50 between Texas Creek and Salida. There's lots of different monuments in both areas.

Linda
(Shawnee)

Welcome Nick,
Thanks for posting.
The first picture is of the roman numeral 20.
Signifying 20% or the Royal quint, the 1/5Th that always belonged to the King.

The second picture I cannot say
The third is of a bird that has weathered almost beyond recognition.

The fourth is of a large silver sign up high.
etc...
Ignoring modern graffiti and working with the pieces and parts that are made with a chisel is at best hard without seeing the signs in person.



As far as places to hunt... you live just above the San Louis Valley,
that area is without doubt one of the best places in the State to hunt and learn the signs.
There were missions and land grants as well as many mining expeditions that were in that area.
What a prime spot to look.
Best of luck. Try not to see too many things that aren't there.
Make sure it is cut into the stone with a hard steel tool.
When you are first starting take a lot of pictures as well,
take them from 11:00 AM to 2:00 PM.
That is when the shadows will be right.
You will find the most signs during those hours.
Stay safe and have fun, hope to see good things from you.

Thom

Welcome to you as well Golden lady,
I for one would enjoy seeing some of the monuments out your way.



Good stuff Tony,
Could you take a closer shot next time you are out?

Thank-you Thom,

Actually I've been a member for quite awhile, just don't post too much.  There's lots up your ways too (as you already know) but I was just answering him about the Colorado Springs area. Good advice about not seeing something in everything.

Take care and keep up the good advice !!

Linda (Shawnee)

Well, I am not going to say where this is - besides Texas  but I found a line - of piles of rocks...  that extends for a couple miles....  they are NOT from cleared fields...   it is NOT a fence line... (the piles range from 10 feet to 40 feet apart - AND the line runs due North to South)  they are MOST definitely markers to "something".  They cross all modern fence lines and roads.... AND they just happen to lead to a series of cliff side stone shelters....   where we, and others have in the past....  have ALSO found spanish artifacts ... swords, helmets, and "buried things".   (yes the search will continue)  

Do I believe in most of the "signs" posted here?  No.  Have >I< seen signs?  Yes.

IMHO - if you were an early explorer, and made - and cached a discovery, you would almost certainly need to lay out some markers.   Of course, rivers and hills can serve that purpose too!  

SIGH.

Marc,

I am aware of some of the markers you speak of, some of the "guides" left by Spanish and others are quite dramatic.
Other signs and marks are less than obvious. Some seem really out there, LOL.

What we are trying to do here is make some sense out of the ordinary things in unnatural places and positions that seem to plague the routes traversed by the ones who have gone before. The things that jump out and grab you and say "why should I be here when everything else looks normal for the area". Many times there is really no explanation except to say it is there and only time will give us the reason for it.

It is a never never ending source of amazement to me how much work and creativity must have gone into some of these things.

Thom

Tony,
Here is my attempt to size the photo,
Can't say as of yet if resolution is better but I did try.
Do you want to show us what you see in this ??

Someone was asking a while back about small conicle holes and what they would be used for.
I told them I would return to the subject as soon as I could produce a picture...

The conicle holes many times were used in place of bar molds for metal as it was poured in small amounts.
The metal shrinks as it cools and pops right out of the hole.
Here is an example.

THOM!!  Here it is,, couldn't figure out how to zoom and post it!!  Whats new!!  HA!!   It is the Lamb of God,, on the Altar,,  He who takes away the sins of the world!!  Thanks Amigo!    td

Old Dog and All;
  New to forum, retired military living in the Philippines, have been doing TH since 1982
Duh....really felt dumb as I have had listings of treasure marking signs used here by
Japanese since 80s, have seen some that even had references to Spanish. Recently Found a
whole tutorial on the internet about Spanish Marking Signs, and Booby Traps....they are
almost identical except Japanese used Bombs.. Spanish used same Rock Fall Traps and Trap
doors.
  The Turtles, Snake Signs, Diamond, Triangle, Circle, Lightning, Jaws and the Dots or Line
Markers for Distance were there, distance may vary but have almost identical meenings for short or long distances or doubling distance.

Bob,

Welcome to T-Net !
Don't count the Spanish out where you are.
There may be more Spanish caches than Japanese Left.
Seems that everyone there hunts the Japanese, nobody hunts the Spanish.

Best of luck though in all your hunts,
Keep us posted on your signs and finds.

Thom

Old Dog;
  First time up, yes been here a long time in the Philippines, 8yrs in Navy then came back in 89, spent a lot of years researching, Spanish here for 300yrs.  Galleons, Spanish War, Church Loot lots of it here, but you can laugh at me or not...it is more difficult than Japanese Loot to recover because of supernatural activity this stuff has a dark side associated with it. The Japanese used similar techniques of protecting loads with violent deaths and using offerings to recover.  Only a couple experiences with Spanish, but I had an old Mining Engineer Partner in the 80s that did a lot more, and had some real si-fi tales of ones he had worked. In all the Forums I don't hear people talking about it, but was physically attacked on my first project, I am an American, and did not believe in it, in fact had been making fun of the spirits being seen by our workers and my partner when it occured. Had contacts at almost every site. I can still remember Mell Fisher working the Atocha, the Jamacan Captain on the Tugboat was definitely spooked during the Documentary, that nite the Tugboat sunk he recovered but he lost his son and daughter in law, price to pay... maybe!
  Anyway good talking to you, I was glad to find the Spanish Marking Connection, downloaded them to add to my collections of markings and codes.

Bob,

Welcome to T-Net !
Don't count the Spanish out where you are.
There may be more Spanish caches than Japanese Left.
Seems that everyone there hunts the Japanese, nobody hunts the Spanish.

Best of luck though in all your hunts,
Keep us posted on your signs and finds.

Thom

I took this photo a couple of weeks ago while following a trail.I've walked by it a dozen times and never noticed it but a compass shot led me to it and even though I thought it looked like a couple of profiles looking to the left I had been looking at a lot of rock so I thought maybe a little too thin.I crawled under the rock anyway and shot a line bisecting the bottom of the top pointer and it led me to a small owl carved in the cliff about 100 yards away.Quess it doesn't hurt to check things out even when in doubt.
Rick

Rick, were you able to make out what that long line of letters, symbols and or maybe numbers were on that rock face?
 

Wow busy thread!

TD bro!  What a cool..formation  Look like it shaded something. When i first saw it i thought what a great place to place a a cross or icon...like a shrine.
But...I want to see you  scramble like a mountain goat   .  Seriously taking a look up might be useful.

The tiny areas can not be sure but may be little things looking at each other.
Now i have allowed myself to look for tinys and smaller carvings i see them everywhere..eventually that will wear off.


However!

It looks to me like a  multipurpose marker with the dead/resting guy.  He is pointing up.. his legs may also resemble a triangle. Something below his back bone too.


 

Thom...  what an interesting picture! Never saw anything like that. Thanks for showing us.

Nic that all pinnacle that rock climbers love in Garden of the Gods...hmmm.. i think there are benches  near there. On one of the rocks  faces right around the benches... quite near... there are a fair number of carvings like names and dates and maybe other things. . It was too bright and sunny when i was there and i did not have a camera...but it might be worth checking out on an overcast day  for educational purposes.

Good luck marc! Welcome to everyone else.

Everyone else..welcome to T-net or to this thread

In all the Forums I don't hear people talking about it, but was physically attacked on my first project, I am an American, and did not believe in it,

I to have a close by personal experience with what U have said Bobthpi..
3 men located a Room by accident.  Uncle, associate & father

close friend lost his Uncle & associate within weeks of a discovery (both expired due to extreme Odd accidents) & his father lost an arm within weeks, the father only got NEAR the handled goods Never actualy touched any(saw the Items Removed from the Room)..Father survived another 20yrs..

Guess would be Sound Mind & body required Once the location aquired prior to entering & viewing or touching whats Below.?

I going to Go out on a Limb here to say..if the Treasure room/cache is cursed..then NEVER HAVE GREED on your mind when You Enter it..Or Speak knowinly Of Grred after.

I'll end this with a Ripley's believe or NOT..

DM!!!

   Thanks for all that you see,, you are leaving me in the dust!! Your eye is getting very sharp, BRAVO! Only one problem I shot this from my truck, two years ago, and have not been able to find it again!!!  HA!!   td

... I going to Go out on a Limb here to say..if the Treasure room/cache is cursed..then NEVER HAVE GREED on your mind when You Enter it.....

"Todos o nada"

In all the Forums I don't hear people talking about it, but was physically attacked on my first project, I am an American, and did not believe in it,

NEVER HAVE GREED on your mind when You Enter it..Or Speak knowinly Of Grred after.

If entering an old mine or cache site There is no room in ones mind for anything other than total awareness of the current situation.
Thinking about anything else will get you crippled. or worse Killed. I am not a superstitious type, but there are some basic cautions to be aware of, such as bad air, unstable roof walls or floor, and if it is a Spanish site... Death traps. Some of these are so subtle that walking through a given area of the tunnel will cause a slow painful agonizing death. simply because you stirred up dust on the floor and breathed it in.

Best advice I ever got was to be aware of these possibilities and take precautions.

OD!!  That is where the real test will be!!   I do believe the TEST is a mandatory part of this Hobby,, I think respect from the Spirits that died and buried these things,, is necessary to a successful recovery!! Either they help you,, or they hinder you!!  The unknown underground demands focus!!  td

 Thom ,
 No intention of hijacking your thread . 25 years ago a Mexican seeress Maria Palacios gave me a reading to wit : There is a treasure you may find in your mountains of West Virginia (I had not told her of my origin) when you are surrounded by better people . There is too much greed in the people that surround you now . There will be 3 of you when you find this and all must be free of greed and full of love for one another .
 As we have talked on the phone ; I'm getting closer .
 Jim

I agree that a certain sensitivity is a must, but an absolute belief in malicious or friendly entities that haunt these sites is absolutely beyond the scope of treasure hunting and must be your personal choice. It adds a mysticism that I am not inclined to believe in.
Yes I have heard some very interesting tales.... but not one yet has changed my mind.

My favorite is the one about a hunter who following the signs, came upon the site of the mine and the cache. In his excitement picked up two bars of the cache, and after a close study (no photos) of the site headed back to home to make plans for recovery.  He was never able to relocate the site because supposedly the entity or spirit that showed him the site actually showed it to him the way it was a couple hundred years before. In other words the man saw through the eyes of the spirit and didn't see what was actually there. (note. always take pictures)

The ghost stories aside, you will be much better equipped to handle a recovery with a deep understanding of the signs and symbols, as well as a knowledge of the methods these guys used to protect their interests. Think like they did. Be able to use the methods (mentally) that they used to mark your trail as well as the system they used to follow one. Develope the skills that they had to use. Take lots of pictures.
You will be much better off when recovering what they left for us if you stay grounded with the facts.

If you still want to believe in ghosts ...
More power to you.
Thom

....  My favorite is the one about a hunter who following the signs, came upon the site of the mine and the cache. In his excitement picked up two bars of the cache, and after a close study (no photos) of the site headed back to home to make plans for recovery.  He was never able to relocate the site because supposedly the entity or spirit that showed him the site actually showed it to him the way it was a couple hundred years before. .....

This and similar stories are rampant.  Most are 'cover stories' for the purpose of establishing interest in an area that has bona fide clues nearby.  I've heard two local versions of it myself from the lips of the 'hunters' who experienced the events, one in the '30's and one in the '70's.

Back to the subject,
Sometimes there are things that are discovered by accident,
Doug and I found this triangle wile climbing a canyon ,
we were about a mile and a half up when we stopped for a break and looked out over the whole scope...
This is on a ledge on the other side of the canyon about half way up.
I have watched this spot for over a year now and there is NOTHING that grows in this triangle.
Interesting to say the least.
The pictures are in order as it would apear to you ...

Studying   and comparing!  Yours looks like that is rather flat...not an alluvial wash. I see other things..but need to contemplate it for a while.

I think you will be surprised at how flat yours is when you are finally able to explore it.

I see more similarities than differences.

OK I'll play.... Now that I have read a bunch of posts first a question what did some of you find when you dug... and tell me what do you see here if anything that is, re looking at these old photos that I shot I am suddenly very curious.....
BTY I've got more....

the ground may possibly contaminated.but not sure aresenic would do that amount of damage for that long of a time period.

but area may have been some type of processing area, up the wash to the left the crumbled rocks look very interesting.

the single boulder in the upper section doesnt appear to align with others.but just above the tree fringe there is a tilted shadow face on a rock almost inline with it.(in the last pic)

Welcome to T-Net Sheldon.

last pic the rocks appear stacked @ the base of the cactus..

OK I'll play.... Now that I have read a bunch of posts first a question what did some of you find when you dug... and tell me what do you see here if anything that is, re looking at these old photos that I shot I am suddenly very curious.....
BTY I've got more....

Welcome . I'm too much of a novice to interprate . Looks like to me ,though,that you posted a novel instead of just a couple of sentences .

OK I'll play.... Now that I have read a bunch of posts first a question what did some of you find when you dug... and tell me what do you see here if anything that is, re looking at these old photos that I shot I am suddenly very curious.....
BTY I've got more....

Possible carved and/or shadow marker arrow  and..mmm maybe a v or squiggle confirmation  below that on the bird like formation to the left.

Hard to tell...generally i get sense the main  formation  is saying  look behind you   I would look where they are looking.

Here is something to look over Thom,  I don't know if you can see the (F & A) in this pic.....
I hope you don't mind me adding a few pics.
We will have to go look this one over Thom.

look forward to it.

Reading another post in this forum, sepeaks about WINDOWS finded in country and looking some places.Is this same the omega hoyo or is another thing ?

Reading another post in this forum, sepeaks about WINDOWS finded in country and looking some places.Is this same the omega hoyo or is another thing ?

An alpha hoyo Is usually high off the ground.
High enough that sky can be seen through it.
Looking through an alpha hoyo the first sign or group of signs can usually be seen from given pointers inside the hoyo.
Alpha is the beginning of the trail.

An omega hoyo will have a specific shape (usually) and will be closer to the ground.
Looking through from the wrong direction will show you the last sign you found prior to the hoyo,
Looking through from the correct orientation shows you the omega signs or the main omega marker.
These signs will lead you into the end of a given trail.
Omega means the end or the finish

Here is a pair of pictures of an omega hoyo,
It is a very small thing .
The first is a picture of the hoyo and the second shot is the marker as seen through the hoyo.
Notice the points inside the hole on the first picture,
they line up and show the pointer that is the directional for this hoyo.

Thanks old dog A very rich information, but sorry I have another question: It is possible the existence of a hoyo in the same place of omega signs and pointing to anothe place like a camp site or water hole and in this form be a window?.This question born because I found by accident the signs showed in the post signs diagnosed here, I have news pics this place with new things in it, I am working in them for show the forum the better ones and more rich in information by another way are many pics and I do not want tire the forum with them. Thanks

Thanks old dog A very rich information, but sorry I have another question: It is possible the existence of a hoyo in the same place of omega signs and pointing to anothe place like a camp site or water hole and in this form be a window?.This question born because I found by accident the signs showed in the post signs diagnosed here, I have news pics this place with new things in it, I am working in them for show the forum the better ones and more rich in information by another way are many pics and I do not want tire the forum with them. Thanks

We never get tired or bored by questions, pictures or findings of others.
Feel free to post what ever you are in question of.

That hoyo looks like an owl on its side to me. 

That hoyo looks like an owl on its side to me. 

Good eye,
Shows that you have been paying attention to other threads too.
The shape of the hoyo has a lot to do with what kind of indicator it is.

thom your pic is interesting, i think whatever it is, is modern, and not natural
id say it was done, in the last few years, i can only think of two ways to accomplish
that no growth thing, that you, have looked at for a year.
id had, to go look, as soon as i could.

no growth
A. weed killer and lime, area seems to big, for that to be the way
wouldnt want to haul that in and up there, and wouldnt last, because of
the soil, getting washed by the rain, and the snow.

B. since growth is sparse, to begin with, weed whack it down, with
a weed trimmer, cover it with the dirt, thats running down the bluff
[top of first pic] then lay a tarp down and cover with more dirt.

i take B. because if you look where i marked in pic, that brush has
prob started growing in a hole, thats in the tarp, from a rock sliding down,
and the other mark i made looks like a ridge/fold in the tarp, from the dirt shifting.

i did B. in a small garden, 10 ft X 10 ft, with rows of 5 gal. bucket plants,
had weeds, in the buckets, but not on tarp and soil, for at least 3-4 yr
i loaded tarp down on edges, with red brick every 2-3 feet, i used cheap tarp
so it deteriorated. when my shed fell, i used the concrete slab, for the bucket garden.
i think if you use a heavy gauge tarp, it could last many more yrs, with out it deteriorating.
why would someone do this, who knows but id sure have a look see.
dosent look like a place for a bucket garden to me.

So I was right? Awesome. I have had trouble understanding hoyos. Maybe you could give a lesson thom? (Hint hint) ;p. I've never seen one in person... Yet.

thom your pic is interesting, i think whatever it is, is modern, and not natural
id say it was done, in the last few years, i can only think of two ways to accomplish
that no growth thing, that you, have looked at for a year.
id had, to go look, as soon as i could.

Hi Cw,
Having taken a minute to climb up to it, (3 1/2 hrs later) LOL. This thing is not easily reached on foot.
The sides are 75 yards and concentric with the corners marked by a pair of boulders all the same size.
The soil sample is still being examined by the lab, but I suspect what I have run into before.... mercury.
If this is true we will go back with a GPR and see if the area will reveal any good signals.
If it turns out to be mercury it is a classic Spanish maneuver that keeps the ground sterile for ages.

Okay. I'm not a big believer in this as being a man made triangle, buuuuuuuuuut:

IF (BIG IF) it is man made, look very carefully at the larger white rock in the center (Red Circle). Notice how it sits in a depression (look at the first pic and you'll see the inner rim of the depression). That stands out to me.

Next, look for markings on the rocks circled in blue and green. If it is a man made triangle, they will be corners. IF they are corners, they will have obvious markings.

If you find those things, then the little rock below and left of the red circled rock (in the yellow circle) will likely draw a straight line from the center rock out to something else.

Something I didn't circle, BUT YOU SHOULD LOOK FOR, would be a compass rock monument at the Northernmost Corner of the triangle.

All this is predicated on the assumption that the triangle is man made 

Best-Mike

The reason I don't really like this triangle is that it is on a slope. If there were Mercury in the soil there from a refining operation, it would have leached downhill and killed all the plants in the ground below it. From the pic, the plants look very green and healthy.

Also, a processing area (patio) would have been located next to a water source.

Best-Mike

is that a drill hole in the lowest blue circle???

The ausence of arrastras in or near the place would be a sign of something natural, if we are thinking in a patio or something like that.

Greetings,
I have found 60 feet high letters (ORO), on the side of a mountain in Mexico, western slope
of the Sierra Madre. Our lab showed mercury as the reason for the sterile field! An amazing
display of engineering and sign making.
rangler

Greetings,
I have found 60 feet high letters (ORO), on the side of a mountain in Mexico, western slope
of the Sierra Madre. ....

Picture?

Old dog: Why to use the GPR here and what would you hope to find ? why not a metal detector?.Thanks.

A GPR (ground penetrating radar) will go much deeper than a metal detector.
The Treasure (if there) would have to be the size of a truck for a metal detector to find it at 20 feet.

The picture as it looks only gives the appearance of a slope.
Actually it is a flat bench, and the growth seen here is only a few years old and is shrubbery.
Grass and annual weeds do not grow here,
the other notable thing is that game trails go around as well.
I think it has been dead for long enough that even the wildlife avoids it.

We do have a theory but I will wait until I know what has the ground sterilised before speculating.

Thanks by your answer old dog and you are right, there are some things in this place must be reveled. I have seen some places like this in my country near of miner centers, the people call it lunares, are in circle form, without live in there, by many years may be from colonial age I found in one lunar, a very hard bottle glass ( debris of glass), somebody told me the miners used it to keep the mercury( azogue in coloquial spanish )I have been thinking return that place and look with attention.

Test results on that soil sample have returned and reveal a slight amount of mercury, not natural here,
there is also a very high and unnatural amount of a combined group of alkali salts.
These salts would have had to have been added to the soil after having been brought in from somewhere else.
The shrubbery is a native plant that grows in the valleys on alkali flats...
there are two different kinds, one  is called Four Wing Salt Bush, the common name for the other is Grease weed.
Neither is common at this altitude.

All very cool stuff.
Thom

The way the rock has weathered away seems odd to me. Why is there an "odd" pile of gravel at that particular place in the line of rocks?


There seem to be slight concave depressions in ledge above it..was there a spring up there?  The piles near the left gully do not resemble the odd pile.

The gully..one might expect rocks below it like an alluvial wash..but they look rather sharp edged. And the left line of those  V rocks seem out of place to me.

The upper right circled pair of rocks from this point of view look to be placed at same angle.

Unfortunately lots of  hmms  and no answers. I wonder though if there were any battles around that area.

 



 


 

Dear group;
The last set of photos look very promising indeed, however one needs to survery the surrounding terrain in minute detail before proceeding to the next set of markers. It would seem that the person(s) who had marked this trail were very crafty, therefore it would pay huge dividends to go over the countryside with a fine toothed comb.
Your friend;
LAMAR

The circled areas seem interesting. The lower one perhaps a snake, dragon  or a utilitarian structure or symbol.

Hey Lads check this one out ... its a youtube video of u2 performing Sunday Bloody Sunday at Red Rocks Canyon. Look at whats behind the stage .... Aint it beautiful

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/-XNbdEl9lYk" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/-XNbdEl9lYk</a>

The song commemorates the day British Paratroopers Murdered 14 Civil Rights Demonstrators on the streets of Derry in Northern Ireland ... This is not a Rebel song.

Wikipedia --- Bloody Sunday — sometimes called "the Bogside Massacre" — was an incident in Derry, Northern Ireland, on 30 January 1972. Twenty-seven civil rights protesters were shot by members of the 1st Battalion of the British Parachute Regiment during a Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association march in the Bogside area of the city.[4] Thirteen people, seven of whom were teenagers, died immediately, while the death of another person 4½ months later has been attributed to the injuries he received on the day. Two protesters were injured when they were run down by army vehicles.[5] Many witnesses, including bystanders and journalists, testify that all those shot were unarmed. Five of those wounded were shot in the back.[6]

Too bad the vid didn't take,
I would have liked to see it.

this One??

http://XXX.youtube.com/watch?v=NKLCQv2wBTg&feature



with all the smoke effects & fading light hard to say what is the stage prop's & what is natural.

Re did the link 9:16pm

replace XXX with WWW

Still doesn't work,
But I am familiar with the song and the Red Rock ampitheater.

I do believe that at one time there were signs that were around this place,
but "progress" and a need for modern lighting destroyed most of them.

Can anyone tell me what an 8 with a cross means? In the direction of the pointy rock there is a shadowy figure of an 8 with a cross.

Ed T

Find a chain set of 8 markers across from here........

And lastly...

Ed T

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I once saw that same sign, 8 inches high, semi transparent in vivid colour and floating at eye level in the air right in front of me.  It appeared for 8 seconds and then faded away.  You wouldn't believe what happened next.......

Thanks for your input Twisted Fork. The rock in post #21, not in post #20 as mentioned earlier, has 8 or 9 holes in it. I think that I have read someplace that these little holes in the rock were used to crush and wash gold ore. But then again I could be wrong, and/or they may have been used for an ancient lifting machine as mentioned by Old Dog.  

Ed T

Can anyone tell me what an 8 with a cross means? In the direction of the pointy rock there is a shadowy figure of an 8 with a cross.

Ed T

The 8 means a vault if you go by what everyone says about it.
If you associate literally, the cross could mean a church vault?

8 would appear to be a root number representing eternity.  The use of such also references a kind of written music called "a canon", and row, row row your boat is within the format.  Ores are a measure of 8..........we are caught up in a game of charades now.  An Italian opera of 3 separate poems, sung by three separate voices, inter weaved in a canon of numerous music bars was called "My End  is my Begining".  This song was a smash hit to the far corners of the earth and was know all over Europe.  Nearly impossible to imitate.

Legend has it, that somewhere out there are 8 gold canons that were poured for transport as a weapon and as a means to haul bullion;  probably gold dore.  They were painted black and had fully functional carriages.  Such armament is classified in pounds by rounds. 

If gold highway bullion is average 90 pounds per ingot (one one either side of an animal), The question may read:  "How many bars are there in a canon?"  The trail of the Spanish Horse Soldier went from Mexico, up to Don's Peak (Kings Peak, Utah) (800 Kilometres?) and back down to Mexico.  It was an endless circle on horseback as they hauled and guarded the King's pack trains from each mine site to each Kiva.  Singing canons along the way passed the time and were considered wonderful if on occasion the men were able to hear the monks singing in old Latin from within the deep reaches of the Treasure Caves they tended. 

The Don and his miners received pay in the form of high grade dressed ore and this is why massacres seldom if ever produced bullion.  Most of it is still sitting in the Kivas where the monks intended to build monasteries on them.  Hydro thermals produce an endless supply of pure water.   Many of the paper maps are actually coded foundation plans viewed from above. 

The marker sets go in chains of 8 and continue with gaps in an endless run of burro trails, and are interconnected with each other mine to mine, same as lode to lode, mountain to mountain.  When it's all over, your looking at pieces of 8.

Or these strange thing a ma giggies? These even come with a DEATH TRAP...

Ed T

I'm going to take a long shot at this one and say that it refers to a cap stone over a portal, so that when you are standing on top of it (buried or otherwise and probably down in a confined or boxed in location) you are able to look up and see a limited and certain group of stars and or the moon above in the night sky, within a limited time frame, on a certain evening(s).  Also possible, while standing on a similar shaped stone elsewhere, the sun's arch positions and time periods of a shadow movement indicator, viewed from a high point above the hidden location.

 Perhaps the block is shaped in outline, similar to the larger open and confined location surrounding the portal site, on some scale, and positioned in nature at a right angle, from how the position of this block is sitting & turned.   (right angle, = (-7-) on the ground). 

 Fun Stuff

Most larger boulder sets, are yet some distance away or a"Long Range Shot" towards the hidden location in the distance.  At scale face value, they are designed to bring you into basic focus on the lodes direction.  As you begin to identify the actual proximity of the dig itself, the stones get smaller and are far and few between.  On average, at approximately 80 to 180 feet away from the hidden portal there can be found a small head shaped stone laying on the ground.  This is your best bet in pinpointing the hidden opening.  Notice the direction of the forward point on his helmet;  forward of backwards, this angle aims at the mine entrance.  A headstone may be shaped in numerous natural variations or mineral context, but will always directionally reference the same lead.  Before disturbing a suspected location, always seek out the headstone first;  you may be dealing with an image mock up before hand, that is yet another clue to what you will picture at the true location ahead.  A serious searcher will invest in a double box detector such as a tf900 that will bounce sonar into the ground and eliminate any guess work.  Needlessly disturbing the ground will only help to clue in the next person to find your treasure after you leave.

Here is another example;  same lode, different portal, different Don, and from a different time period,  placed where his portal enters the mountain.

Here is a picture I posted some time back.
No one seems to believe that it is as hard to access as it is.
I did say that this red bluff sits on top of a 400 foot deep blackrock canyon.
To understand our terrain here you would have to see it in person.
But here are some extra pix to show the extent of these signs, and how absolutely tough this terrain can get.
Please stop asking about getting in to see it. It will be a while before I am back up to this spot.