Basic signs and symbols you have found

Here is a picture I posted some time back.
No one seems to believe that it is as hard to access as it is.
I did say that this red bluff sits on top of a 400 foot deep blackrock canyon.
To understand our terrain here you would have to see it in person.
But here are some extra pix to show the extent of these signs, and how absolutely tough this terrain can get.
Please stop asking about getting in to see it. It will be a while before I am back up to this spot.

HeHe He ! Nobody has mentioned the sun sign either . They just want you to take them to it .
 

Wow, OD there are signs all over that cliff.  Oro para ti.  Maybe you could use a para glider plane to get up (:>)

okey dokey

Those early explorers would stop at nothing.  They must of thought it was child's play compared to rigging a ship mast barefooted in a storm.

Those early explorers would stop at nothing.  They must of thought it was child's play compared to rigging a ship mast barefooted in a storm.

Very valid point .

Those early explorers would stop at nothing.  They must of thought it was child's play compared to rigging a ship mast barefooted in a storm.

For sure solid Ground under foot Not adrift in the Fogg.

HeHe He ! Nobody has mentioned the sun sign either . They just want you to take them to it .
 

Honestly thought nobody would see that Spanish link amidst all the ancient stuff.
I truly believe the Spanish were onto something, they followed all of this ancient stuff and left their signs all the way through it.

makes ya wanna go hmmmmm.

Can anyone tell me if these, http://www.fotolog.com/mochilando/73558756 , are natural or man made? I think that I have read someplace that the Jesuit had a college in Durango where they trained in the Jesuit teachings.

Ed T

OD,
the nose of the ancient man points to the ground and the two faces in the circle look at the same spot.  Just above the spot is a boulder squared off at the top and looks like a death trap.  Sounds like dig here is the word for this spot.  Of course you already knew that.  What does the J in the lower left mean?
okey dokey

Okey Dokey,
Believe it or not the nose on that ancient square beard isn't a pointer.
That face stands out in relief away from the wall by about 8 feet.
If you go to the right and walk around the end of the red bluff...
you can see the face protruding from the side,
and the bluff itself changes to an image of the
dwarf from the "Lord of The Rings " trillogy.  LOL

Can anyone tell me if these, http://www.fotolog.com/mochilando/73558756 , are natural or man made? I think that I have read someplace that the Jesuit had a college in Durango where they trained in the Jesuit teachings.

Ed T

Ed,
The large stone on the ground in front may be a turtle?
If so I would guess that the three smaller stones behind it are placed.
The tall things are natural but may be enhanced with signs,
if inspected this could be proven pretty easily.

Ed T;

Who knows?

Old Dog,

From what I have learned here in New Mexico you have a spot right in front of the face the eye is looking at it and the turtle is saying it is in this area to its left as you are looking at the picture.  If you concentrate your search right there you will find it.  I know of two other Hunters who have done this and have done well. 

Minetres

Thom, when you finally do get up there, I just wonder if that lintel over that hole/cave there, is a mesoamerican bunny shape.   The shape of the lintel seems unusual from a distance. And if it turns out to be a snake elsewhere on that bluff or is that a gator....

Surely there is an "easy" mule trail up there  somewhere (winks) . 

Kim

OD,
Dah!  I just noticed that the two circled heads are part of one huge turtle.  Maybe I'm just cloud watching.  I wonder how many were in the ancients party.  Must be a bunch as much work that went into their s/s.

okey dokey

A few stones from site 1777.  These refer to a concealed air vent disguised to look like a rabbit hole.  Maintenance compliments of P. Rabbit resident.  They charade. 

Or these strange thing a ma giggies? These even come with a DEATH TRAP...

Ed T

Ed T  Pic. 0471  P.1

Possibly a distance reference of the expected target grouping, of some sort of Spanish gun at an average range from that location if fired from a turret. 

Twisted

your Hermit pic (#2) resembles a lighting bolt.

the cache Had a trap?

& pic #1 lil 2 close to see what you are trying to show.. No disrespect

Thanks twistedfork!   

Took a while but i now see  what i think is the main relevant sign on the first picture and on one of the rocks.!

Took some contemplating...i must say lol. Now to meditate on the others.

DM

HIO  Ole dog:  the conical thingies in post # 1052 were probably used to cast crude assay buttons.  In an assay, the metal would go to the bottom, the tip of the cone, from where it would be broken off,  formed into a cube, then fire assayed.

Don Jose de La Mancha

HIO  Ole dog:  the conical thingies in post # 1052 were probably used to cast crude assay buttons.  In an assay, the metal would go to the bottom, the tip of the cone, from where it would be broken off,  formed into a cube, then fire assayed.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Thanks old friend.
I can understand the manufacture and semantics of these little guys.
The purpose however was only speculated. Good call,
Thanks again.

Thanks twistedfork!  

Took a while but i now see  what i think is the main relevant sign on the first picture and on one of the rocks.!

Took some contemplating...i must say lol. Now to meditate on the others.

DM

So glad to see things starting to come together for you Kim.
Makes chasing this stuff more fun, even if the cache holes are empty, the education is priceless.

Keep hunting... it only takes one.

Hey ya'all, 

My DSL is down and still out of work.  Kinda wish I had the balls to dig up a mine on private property as the best finds I know of are next to other patented mines.  The stones posted are regarding Guard post sites and cache sites within a spear's throw from them.  Find the spear head, backtrack to the post with your metal detector.

Here's a couple of  hoyos from aorund the southwest.  Some  times it pays to stay out rather late. You see things in  a different light.

The first one turned out to have a lot of local information associated with it.


 
Hoyo1


Hoyo2

 


Thom.. I "see" more now.  Not sure if that is a good thing. lol  And I've not really even started looking at shadows yet.  Well okay..maybe I peeked once or twice but what I saw, sailing ships and horse riders and more, well I would be cloud chasing the rest of my life. I'll  post just one possible shadow..but likely it is nothing..

 

Twisted,
I hope things improve. Either would drive me nuts!  And someday I want to see you be able to buy some new silverware.

Yowzers!!  I love those first to pics DM.  Sweet hoyos. 

Don't know about the 3rd, but I see a dogs head looking left in the top part of the shadow.   

Time will tell.  Some sites are a bear to get to and I do mean bears! 

DM,
In Hoyo 1 you have an isosceles right triangle
on the left and on the right you have an outline
in the shape  of a booted foot!
(Walk on and Look for a triangle
of half buried rocks)
rangler

canadian,TF and rangler thank you.

Got  piggies  on the mind and that is what the last one looked liked to me at the time. There is a smaller carving or 2  there on that rock but pretty hard to see.

I wonder if it is because they are worn..or maybe not real carvings.

Like this one.  see the horse or mule head with one flopped ear? Pretty clear. However seeing the possible very early  Spanish looking guy riding the horse and the possible sun burst compass like carving and  the circle  like  carving,along with other smaller stuff is a lot harder.  Maybe too hard hehehe.

I think the main purpose of this marker is go to the right. Follow the way the ear is pointing.  I believe there is other information given  of interest about that mule trail.

Great looking mule and rider Kim.
Check out your little guy on the ground as well.

your Sunburst kinda looks like an Left hand palm to me DM.

VN horse & rider BTW good eye.

I'm making my way slowly but surely through this post.  But I have to ask, does anyone have a picture of a mine shrine or saints.  All I've seen are the ones from Turtles Lead to Treasure.  I'd like to see these more close up, and in color.

Gorgias

Could be  a palm ..goldguru... there is another circular thing on left cornet of that monument. Little head at the bottom you are right od!

G... never found a confirmed  shrine as mentioned here on tnet. But ...just maybe a shrine is indicated by a tiny carving of a man kneeling and praying on it. Somewhere on the shrine.

As many will tell you Gorgias,
Turtles don't always lead to treasure,
I have posted at least one that points to a waterhole.

I have never seen a shrine as you describe one either.
But I haven't seen everything either,

The only shrines I have seen were roadside shrines in Mexico.
I have not found a confirmed shrine near a treasure yard anywhere.

... The only shrines I have seen were roadside shrines in Mexico.
I have not found a confirmed shrine near a treasure yard anywhere.

Every underground mine worked by Hispanics in the Southwest (thousands of them, all the way up to the 1970's when small mining died) had a Catholic shrine not far from the adit/shaft.  The miners (the good Catholics anyway) prayed for deliverance prior to their shift and sometimes gave thanks after the shift ended.  The structures were sometimes merely a rock with a cross (often three crosses) scratched into it, but for longer-working mines, rock structures with a santo were often constructed.  Up Ouray way in the 70's, I saw one that was a half a bathtub set up with plastic flowers and a santo.  When the mine shut down, the shrine was usually removed, although you may still find the old rock structures here and there.  Same story all over Mexico.

end of mules nose forms a heart.

Kim and Hadj,
That face on the bottom corner should be the directional.

this looks like it could be a animal head of some kind. brent

Been a while since I posted (Hi everybody!!!!      ) - I am a good lurker though    anyway, Here's food for thought.  What happens when you look a this "dude" sideways?  Or do you do that anytime?

An Ancient !!
Nice catch EMT.

Very cool, an awesome example of the destruction the Spanish did to the ancient monuments.

What do you think about that Kim?

oh good  heavens above!

Am flabbergasted    but sure agree!

Explains the slope very nicely!

I do rotate pics sometimes..but will be doing that  a lot more. And that bent necked gal you see out there on the trail will be me!


emtrescue thank you!!!!  Please post away!

What has me a little taken back and almost embarrassed...
I totally missed it. looking for other things.

LOL   (blush)

Aw let me share my humble pie.... lol
Here is some other stuff that ..sure does not look Spanish to me..orginally.
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if so what happens to the well hung donkey and the head on bottom? and nice that they tipped over and stayed together.

if so what happens to the well hung donkey and the head on bottom? and nice that they tipped over and stayed together.

Many of the ancient monuments were either destroyed by the Spanish or modified to suit them. Or both.

The Spanish marks are still there and their meaning doesn't change, just because they are on a modified monument

looks like a 6 to me.

okey dokey

Been a while since I posted (Hi everybody!!!!      ) - I am a good lurker though    anyway, Here's food for thought.  What happens when you look a this "dude" sideways?  Or do you do that anytime?

Sorry all for the late post but this is really interesting. I don't know where this was taken, but if you note the sloping forehead. This is a well known practice among certain ancient cultures called head binding/skull shaping/cranial modification etc... What is interesting is that the ancient American cultures that did this were far to the south of the US most notably the Mayan civilization of central America, and the Inca and Nacza cultures of Peru. I am going to try to attach a picture of a skull found in Peru that exhibits this cranial modification.

Where was this skeleton found???

I'm noy sure it came from the lower US.
Maybe farther south. ??

Your ref to the pic above for modification took place in the Womb..
all features of that shull were birth defects.

Im no DR but there Is No Intrusion represented there

I am aware that some civilizations in South and central America,
used to bind the head of an infant in order to achieve this effect.

A lot of pre-Columbian graves that have been excavated show the same effects

hadji/okey etc.....thanks.

I "think" the Flathead indians up north that practiced modification too. Strangely I seem to recall this tribe was looked down upon by other tribes for some reason.

A lot more on that rock than i ever imagined

I went to Wyo for the summer, got a few good pics to share.




Do you think this is Spanish or the ancient ones.Yes they are every where.

rabbit hole? eye shaped like mushroom?

Here are some signs my dad and I found in a cave. Any thoughts?

Hadji,
By george I think you are starting to get it.
Very good catch.


Roxie,
Are these in the US?
Truly exelent and well preserved examples of early petroglyphs.

Very nice.

looks like lady watching her guitar hero.

map?

Good afternoon my friends, sorry for the late post.

A)  all old Spanish mines had a small niche of some kind at the entrance with an
image  of a particular Saint, Generally the Virgin de Guadalupe with a perpetually burning candle.

They always made the sign of the cross upon entering and leaving.

Most of these images are long gone, but you generally can still find the Smoke blackened niche near the actual portal easily.



B)  The habit of binding the skull to form it into an elongated shape, i.e., flattened forehead,  was also practiced in Central / south Sonora next to the Chihuahua border.

I recovered a skull with a bit of skin and hair from a burial cave in that region of a young woman about 22, that had had two children. It had been radically reformed to the point that the forehead was almost not noticeable.

I believe that it eventually ended up in a university museum.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Old dog,

Yes, they are in the US. The images came out better in the photos than you can actually see them in person.

Roxie

I like those pics,did they use a form of pant or a stain. Using the color red did that mean anything or the use
of different colors.I also have the red used on one of my Alphas,the alpha is like a large what I call a 3d map
it's at the end of the alpha. 

When you dosee these petroglyphs intermingled through a Spanish site,
you may discover some of the critical Spanish signs painted as well.
I have seen several places where this is the case.
It requires a very observant and selective eye.
But they are there.

Lanny,

That Lion is looking at some thing very good.  Notice the broken limb of tree pointing to it.  This is a Spanish land mark I have seen this lion here in New Mexico also and it is looking at a mine or treasure hidden the one I'm talking about is hidden very good.  Notice how the Bolder it is sitting on has been ground flat.  This is a very importand mounument you were very close.

Minetres

I couldn't stand it any longer and had to head out to the hills. Actually just down the road. I ask my 8 year old daughter if she wanted to go and she replied no until I offered her the camera, she is taking all the shots here. I thought she did super. Her young mind sees things that I will never see. take a look.

Here's some of the others that she took, check out the hoyos and profiles.

Way to go Thomas,
Get the kids to haul the gear and learn how to use it.
If the girl took these without being coached she has a very good eye.

There is a lot going on up on that ridge.

on one of my recent trips  I saw this hillside in the distance...
Bear in mind it is close to a quarter of a mile off.
These signs on this hillside are HUGE.

and here are a couple more,
any ideas what the relief carving is?

I was near the edge and my partner says "look at me and smile"
He took the picture and then told me where I was standing. LOL

Old Dog, could that carving be a sun sign?

 Shortstack ,

I suppose it might be.
I took the picture on an overcast day,
I'll have to get back out there and shoot it in the sun.

Look at the tool marks though!
That whole rock has been carved.
I think this exhibits the most work I have seen on one single sign any where.

WHOA.  To do that kind of work instead of piling small rocks on a flat area could mean a very important location is connected with it.  But, then again, the way  those folks moved some seriously LARGE stones and boulders and carved large figurines, maybe that piece in this picture was done as a "restful" project.   

The reason I thought of a sunsign is because I couldn't make that carving fit any object such as a snake or arrow; it has an odd shape to it.  Then I remembered that big pyramid in Mexico that has that big a--ed snake shadow made by the sides of the steps.  I believe it's on the Pyramid of the Sun.  There's nothing special about those steps until the sun hits them just right.   

Well, I'm just learning about these signs and hopefully my guess is at least close. 

newbie here with an odd question.
i went to school in south west new mexico and the area where the school was you could find pottery grind holes caves with drawings allover as well as crosses  and other signs ive seen in this thread.
and one thing that i was just thinking about is there was to put it nicely a 35 foot at least male genitalia standing in a field
no other rock formations around like it at all
there was a cave in the direction "it" pointed but i could never get into it too high of a bluff
has anyone ever run across anything like this before?

newbie here with an odd question.
i went to school in south west new mexico and the area where the school was you could find pottery grind holes caves with drawings allover as well as crosses  and other signs ive seen in this thread.
and one thing that i was just thinking about is there was to put it nicely a 35 foot at least male genitalia standing in a field
no other rock formations around like it at all
there was a cave in the direction "it" pointed but i could never get into it too high of a bluff
has anyone ever run across anything like this before?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,232140.0.html
Post # 87
The rat man has a set on him that has been modified into a turtle

BTW Welcome, hope you find something to help you here in these pages.

is it a Gila Monster?
On the photos that I posted I pointed out some for my daughter to take and others she did on her own. This area is a pandora's box of sign, there is so much it is overwhelming to say the least. All photos that I have posted come from a small area. Thomas

hehehe..what a great pic of you on that ledge!


Well..solved it!  It is an Ancient hair dresser with blow dryer in hand.

 

Well even if not..might give some ideas to think about...break out of the box.

Another thought was topo..but not seeing enough of the background  to say yea or nay. Hard to tell..another idea... repeating sign.  And if not natural is that a guy on a canoe over on the right on the bluff?
 


The figure is unusual. The one end looks like a dead turtle head, or the lines remind me of baleen. There might be X like carvings in its mouth. Rotating, it could be a ball someone is standing on.

 

Starting left - there might be a V.  If not natural..the longish thing looks like a river map or...constellation thingy - reminds me  of the next pic..but just reminiscent.  In the upper square i keep seeing a face with maybe an ear bob. clockwise from the square..not sure what that is. But seems worth a closer look.

Finally bottom arrow if not natural..could be number 8.

 

Well.. no idea what it is and if anything i pointed out is artificial  But maybe  this will  spark something. Oh..and the thought cannon floated through my mind too.
 

newbie here with an odd question.
i went to school in south west new mexico and the area where the school was you could find pottery grind holes caves with drawings allover as well as crosses  and other signs ive seen in this thread.
and one thing that i was just thinking about is there was to put it nicely a 35 foot at least male genitalia standing in a field
no other rock formations around like it at all
there was a cave in the direction "it" pointed but i could never get into it too high of a bluff
has anyone ever run across anything like this before?

In treasure hunting lore, the male genetalia is a classic symbol allegedly used by the group loosely referred to on TNet and elsewhere as the 'KGC'.  It's all about fertility.  It's usage dates back millenia to many cultures - the Egyptian friezes are an example.  Closer to home, the anasazi's familiar kokopelli, a fertility figure, is often shown endowed with a huge phallus.  The KGC students would be excited about your find.

That school wouldn't be WNMU in Silver City, would it?

Nice pic's,Old dog I thought at first it might of been a dog  with his tail up.It's funny what things look at first.
To me the head looks more like a birds head and the but end looks like a mans head with a C at the back of
his head.The square part were the dogs feet might of been looks like a small T carved on the end.But maybe
I read to much in to things. Still learning and love every minute of it. Also in response to the 35 foot male
genitalia I also have a similar symbol at one of my sights.It is about 6 to7 feet tall,I can post it if it will not
a fend any one.The location is by a sun symbol which I believe is by a mine entrance.So many places so little time.
GOOD HUNTING.

Thanks Desert Moon for pointing out the V it's easy to see now.How do you change the pics like that.

i downloaded picasa and use effects, shadows and tints. Then irfanview for negatives and other things. Both are free.
I find using shadows often works better than negative..for me.

newbie here with an odd question.
i went to school in south west new mexico and the area where the school was you could find pottery grind holes caves with drawings allover as well as crosses  and other signs ive seen in this thread.
and one thing that i was just thinking about is there was to put it nicely a 35 foot at least male genitalia standing in a field
no other rock formations around like it at all
there was a cave in the direction "it" pointed but i could never get into it too high of a bluff
has anyone ever run across anything like this before?

In treasure hunting lore, the male genetalia is a classic symbol allegedly used by the group loosely referred to on TNet and elsewhere as the 'KGC'.  It's all about fertility.  It's usage dates back millenia to many cultures - the Egyptian friezes are an example.  Closer to home, the anasazi's familiar kokopelli, a fertility figure, is often shown endowed with a huge phallus.  The KGC students would be excited about your find.

That school wouldn't be WNMU in Silver City, would it?

no not silver city ill see if i have any friends who still go there and have them take a pic
it is literally in the middle of a field in a valley and it looks like someone dropped a se.x toy in the middle of the field
this site seems pretty p.g so i wont be to specific but it is 100 percent anatomically correct as far as being phallic ie a "head" urethra  etc

Perhaps that 35 foot "thingy" in that field was put there by some of the Phoenicians who came to this country waaaay before Columbus.  They and the Egyptians were fond of phallic symbols and perhaps they used it as a pointer to something else.  Didn't you say that there's a cave up on a cliff?  If there are Phoenician / Egyptian  drawings / carvings on the walls of that cave you'll have made an important find.

Perhaps that 35 foot "thingy" in that field was put there by some of the Phoenicians who came to this country waaaay before Columbus.  They and the Egyptians were fond of phallic symbols and perhaps they used it as a pointer to something else.  Didn't you say that there's a cave up on a cliff?  If there are Phoenician / Egyptian  drawings / carvings on the walls of that cave you'll have made an important find.

One that if reported will lead to all kinds of restrictions ...
and including an "off limits" to hikers and people of our ilk.
Be careful what you say to the folks in authority.
They think their power goes beyond the constitution.
Especially when it deals with things that go against the text books.
they will hide and destoy anything of relevance.

Thanks Marc,
Believe it or not...
That helps me out a lot.

Thom

Perhaps that 35 foot "thingy" in that field was put there by some of the Phoenicians who came to this country waaaay before Columbus.  They and the Egyptians were fond of phallic symbols and perhaps they used it as a pointer to something else.  Didn't you say that there's a cave up on a cliff?  If there are Phoenician / Egyptian  drawings / carvings on the walls of that cave you'll have made an important find.

One that if reported will lead to all kinds of restrictions ...
and including an "off limits" to hikers and people of our ilk.
Be careful what you say to the folks in authority.
They think their power goes beyond the constitution.
Especially when it deals with things that go against the text books.
they will hide and destoy anything of relevance.

the surrounding 1200 acres is owned by a  gentleman who i spent 7 summers with cutting and pulling his lumber  and have 100 percent to do what ever the heck i want on this land

Perhaps that 35 foot "thingy" in that field was put there by some of the Phoenicians who came to this country waaaay before Columbus.  They and the Egyptians were fond of phallic symbols and perhaps they used it as a pointer to something else.  Didn't you say that there's a cave up on a cliff?  If there are Phoenician / Egyptian  drawings / carvings on the walls of that cave you'll have made an important find.

One that if reported will lead to all kinds of restrictions ...
and including an "off limits" to hikers and people of our ilk.
Be careful what you say to the folks in authority.
They think their power goes beyond the constitution.
Especially when it deals with things that go against the text books.
they will hide and destoy anything of relevance.

the surrounding 1200 acres is owned by a  gentleman who i spent 7 summers with cutting and pulling his lumber  and have 100 percent to do what ever the heck i want on this land

just something i remembered about this spot
7 of 10 times you went past this field there was a poachers camp and there kills in this field
just something i remembered about this spot

I am honestly not throwing this out to you guys as a test or anything.

I really don't know what it is and am grateful for any comments.

I am honestly not throwing this out to you guys as a test or anything.

I really don't know what it is and am grateful for any comments.

Hey OD,

I'm sure you probably thought of this, but I think it's broken.  Broken somehow, either eroded off or broken apart. 

Dog;

It looks like some kind of an embryo.  No, or tiny, front legs though.  T-Rex?

EE you reminded my of a gross little bug we dug up when we were kids. It was called a Child of the Earth. They were creepy things and bugs don't get to me. They had a big head with dots for eyes, don't remember how many legs they had. Kind of resembles that. Thomas

didustealmymonky wrote :

no not silver city ill see if i have any friends who still go there and have them take a pic
it is literally in the middle of a field in a valley and it looks like someone dropped a se.x toy in the middle of the field
this site seems pretty p.g so i wont be to specific but it is 100 percent anatomically correct as far as being phallic ie a "head" urethra  etc

just how anatomically correct are we talking here ? circumcised? or not ?
do you have any pics yet that you would be willing to share ?
odd to me that it is in a field in a valley and not high atop of a hill.
of course it would be a blind guess as to its origins without more information.
what about this cave ? big or small ? round or a different shape of what you can see?
interesting , what you have described . also what kind of native type writing is most prominent in the immediate area ?or is there none you are aware of? thank you in advance .

I'm going to throw up some more pics from a jaunt or two. I found an owl, I believe in the photo of the cave. It is right and a little up from the opening. A lizard or tutle? I posted this face before but got a closer shot. Thomas

shadow dragon, shadow dog what is making the hat on dog look so sharp?

The face in the upper left is a great find this time of year.
The one on the bottom is ancient as is the one upper right.

Dog how about some dogs. Just playing with some pics and how to work with them. Thomas

Thomas,
Are these holes natural??
when you have a slab with marks on it that seem dificult to see with the eye,
Try making a negative of the photo and most times the marks will show up much clearer.

There are things in this picture that may show up if you try that.

I believe that these marks are man made. I just don't how to interpret or how they fit into this site. There are other rocks at this site that also have the marks. Some appear to have been made for the use of manuvering the rocks into place and others look like the marks are some kind of sign or mark or pattern. Thomas

dogs and dogs, dont know why

didustealmymonky wrote :

no not silver city ill see if i have any friends who still go there and have them take a pic
it is literally in the middle of a field in a valley and it looks like someone dropped a se.x toy in the middle of the field
this site seems pretty p.g so i wont be to specific but it is 100 percent anatomically correct as far as being phallic ie a "head" urethra  etc

just how anatomically correct are we talking here ? circumcised? or not ?
do you have any pics yet that you would be willing to share ?
odd to me that it is in a field in a valley and not high atop of a hill.
of course it would be a blind guess as to its origins without more information.
what about this cave ? big or small ? round or a different shape of what you can see?
interesting , what you have described . also what kind of native type writing is most prominent in the immediate area ?or is there none you are aware of? thank you in advance .

i cant find any of my friends that have pics it would be circumcised
its in a Y shaped valley and would be where the "arms" of the y meet
cave seemed round but its been years since ive been there,
there are the grinding pots in big rocks about a 1/4 mile up the canyon
i remeber seeing the hand prints and what looks like someone spit on it and little figures.

CW good eyes on the multiple dogs, I only saw the bulldog. The pit or hollowed out place is where the ear would be. This is an ancient piece of work. Who knows. I can only speculate.

Hope I am not getting of topic, just sharing a pic of a bell.That is my only pic of the bell but I will get back
up there to get more pics .I just have not seen very many pics of bells. What is the reasoning behind the
bell. I would think it would represent a church location or their buried goods. 

Lanny,

Do you see any shadow signs here??