Treasure Marks/Signs - Diagnosed Here

 ols dog, the butterfly! is that him that looks like a texas longhorn at the bottom of the pic?? thanks= tenclaw===

Butterfly

I guess if i came across this first thought would be native petroglyphs  - butterfly clan. . But looking at it, I might consider the things marked and decide it is not native after all. That carefully pecked diamond especially that is marked in yellow at the battom would lead me to believe this was not Native.


Just speculation. Per usual I'm no expert.

Clay..

Where the varnish is on the rock I believe makes a difference. In this interesting little vignette I came across on the trail with no end...I consider the varnish to be an eye catcher at the very least.  If the varnish location does not seem to make sense..it might be worth further investigation

By the way i am trying to think of a good tag or name for that...semi circle symbol on the  background pic. Not sure if it looks like the low level soldier hat you see from time to time,setting atop a conquistador and pointing left or  something else. Anyone have a thought  on what would you all call that? My photo tagging is getting out of hand.


DM

D.M.
When you emboss your varnished rock it looks like
a map chiseled into it.
And your helmet shows up clearly.
Don't know if it helps any.
Weekender

looks like a superhero keepn eye on treasure. and a x.

Weekender I am so glad you mentioned  that. I wondered if it could be a map but it did not make sense to me. So said no... Good to know someone else thinks it might be too.

Embossing works great on this..usually it does not help me. I will try it on some other pics from the trail of no end.

Hadji lol 
Your super hero could also be construed as a  turtle laying eggs. The head is in the back - head up..the body the black faced rock.
I did not see that till you outlined it!

The other thing is that rock in the upper right...the way it is carved or placed almost look like a c or v. Or..it could be..the placement of  those two rocks that is important.


Actually..looking at it after the thoughts given ..it seems to me that every rock in this picture is full of meaning and placed or carved purposely. I've seen it before, except the black face.

What would you do next? I think...i would head the way the conquistador is pointing. Then again..that could be too obvious a sign meant to mislead.

Thanks guys!
Kim

I've seen both the rocks in the last pic here in AZ..I never know anything, but, the rock in forefront is identical to turtle carvings here and I notice the head and tail don't align.  If picture is flipped 180, the rock behind is a perfecr rendition of a conquistador's boot.  Just an alternative idea. 

Desertmoons,
     I'm looking at that one photo of the turtle with it's head laying on another rock and am wondering if that might be a  drill hole in the other rock, at the right edge of the head.
      What do ya think?

Just wondering Folks,, But, has anyone been in touch with or heard from the Rangler lately???  td

I heard all is good with him!!  Head um up and move em out!!!  Thanks  Brent,   Peace!  td

I hope I did this right on the pictures I took of a Lg. Iron rock in the ground with markings? The tree I am going to have to clen scrub trees from around to get a good shot of it so you can see from all angles. From one side it looks like a graft job sorta shaped like a cross, a limb twisted around it aimed the opposite direction. Gonna have to get a bucket out here to lift me up to a hollow spot at the top to drop a magnet into. The metal sticking out of the ground is a 1 in iron pipe. I'm going to check around it. Is this signs?

Try again with rest of pics?LOL

The tree I am going to have to clen scrub trees from around to get a good shot of it so you can see from all angles. From one side it looks like a graft job sorta shaped like a cross, a limb twisted around it aimed the opposite direction. Gonna have to get a bucket out here to lift me up to a hollow spot at the top to drop a magnet into. The metal sticking out of the ground is a 1 in iron pipe. I'm going to check around it. Is this signs?

Need to rest my eyes now ...
Got something bigger than a postage stamp Swampgal??
No offense, they are just too small.  sorry.

If you are having trouble sizing them,
Email them (full size) to me and I will return them sized for posting.

Thom

Sorry Everyone 1st.pic posted so nicely.Sent them to you Thank you. Peggy

Here are your photos in a more "user friendly" size, LOL

Any time you need the help.

And the other 3

Thank you so much sir! I was trying to get a good shot of where the cross section looked like it was grafted. And where the other branches look like they was made to grow the way they are. There is a massive hollow section at the top.

The top looks to have been manipulated.
If nothing else clipped off.
The stubb left from the cutoff may have rotted away making way for the center rot.
I have seen this happen before on other trees that were manipulated in this fasion.

Whew, thanks Old Dog. 

Swampgal,
   That rock is interesting and does have some kind of mark on it, but what gets me is that steel pipe.  That would amount to something fairly recent such as the last 50-60 years.  If that is an oak tree, it could have been "topped out" about 25 years ago when it was, maybe 10 feet tall, and grew to it's present size since then.  Topping a tree like that would give a "marker" that could be seen from a little ways off and picked out of the surrounding trees.  That pipe could be a backup marker.
    This situation I've described is only one possible scenario.  If you have a good metal detector, check out the area close in to the tree trunk and the trunk itself if you think the tree is hollow.  Also, use the pipe as a base point to range straight out from the tree with the detector.  Then check in the opposite direction for a ways out.  What you're doing is eliminating some "maybe" places.   

The pipe is aimed at the old Oak tree, The Rock carving is Aiming East to West. The small carving on the side I still have not been able to get a shot of it , I may have to paint ,it is aimed to the tree.Ive had out the mds today found lots of fencing wire. These properties was split in the late 80's. Original occupant an older gent. I still have to hunt the coops and pens also. Cleared area in the mid section rest woods undisturbed. I was thinking if there is anything in it the tree, it may be in last 20 plus yrs.I still have to get brush out to get in to it. The stubbed top is V shaped on the dark side. you can see it rotted out at the top.

It must just be me but I dont see half of what you people are talking about in most of the photos....lol  I am new to this but ..WOW  even when some of you circle the things to see I still dont see them, maybe im not opening my mind or something but I still dont see a turtle at all in the pic above , is there anything I can do to see this stuff any easier, I have a good imagination, I airbrush and tattoo some wicked stuff on the side, but this is starting to get depressing not seeing the stuff you people are picking out of these pics....please help 

It's ok B. It took me a while to catch on to a lot of the signs, etc. some times when I can't see it I will get up and get a cup of coffee, do something else then look at it from a distance and I catch what they are seeing. Then there are times I just can't see the signs. I'm still learning though.

Peggy,
Googl Sea Turtles, learn about them. What is that turtle I pointed out doing.
I have only pointed out a couple of turtles in this situation in the last few years.

Crawling out of a hole??

A turtle doing this would excite me. Check behind this one.
Is there a depression? Someone dig there?   ... if not Check It Out!
That turtle is laying eggs.

(just a thought)

Thank you Old Dog. I have gotten to where I can spot the turtles in the pics. And You just taught me something new to look for. I will look up the turtles and learn a little more about them. I did not think about the laying eggs aspect of it. Thanks Peggy

These guys lived for months watching the sea turtles.
What does a sea turtle laying eggs tell you ?

Maybe you should get a two box and check that spot ! ??
turtles eggs - Eggs - treasure Hmmmmmm.
I have seen recoveries from simpler places.

what do you think?

Tesoro  dingo dude... you said....

"Just wondering Folks,, But, has anyone been in touch with or heard from the Rangler lately???  td "

Yes I am back finally.. thanks for the inquiry...

rangler


"absence makes the heart grow fonder".... for me at least!

Welcome back.
Are you richer or smarter or both?

LOL, hang in there, good to have you back.

Welcome back.
Are you richer or smarter or both?

LOL, hang in there, good to have you back.

Agreed.

Rangler - I have tried to send you a photo that is too large for the forum to a pm address, but I keep getting an explanation that your mailbox is full.  Is there any other address I could send it to for you to take a quick look at?  Thanks,  MB

I got the file size reduced - anyone's opinion, is it natural or a sign?

Black Cloud,

Looks like a good pointer to me. (natural or not) If no other marks, s/s on the rocks I would proceed in the next direction for the next sign. Good Luck!

Tim sees an arrow pointing up and below it a possible heart.  I didn't see it in the field, or would have taken closer photos.

Nice poodle. He marks a royal trail. You could have a heart next in line.

In the vicinity of the 2nd Vicky peak.  Also found rock cairns, and a depression close to one, but A tobbaco can inside one made me think they were too modern for what I was looking for.  It was ironical that the claim markers (if they were that) were so close to my quest.

OD
you wrote....
Welcome back.
Are you richer or smarter or both?

LOL, hang in there, good to have you back.

Thanks mucho,
watch  out world
rangler

glad to hear you are fixed up. bet that was a scary one. brent

[realize that you can not stop a man who is right and keeps on keeping on.]

Blind and others
who are curious....
Blind you said...
"Why is that only YOUR marks seem to be the right ones and everyone else seems to be looking at irrelevant pareidolia?  After all, to me, your marks make no better sense of that rocky contraption than do anyone else's.  Your own opinion, of others' marks, confirms my very suspicion.  Why is it that you seem never to weigh in on my posts?  I believe you are behaving in the VERY SAME manner that you urge others to avoid."

Well Blind, let me ask you this, who else but my good friend Old Dog and a few others has spent over 25 years vigorously perusing these signs? And more importantly is also engaged in posting and diagnosing same? All freely done, without any greed or strings attached.

Since you have not been on this sub forum that long that I  know..you didnt witness the horrible battle that I fought in 08 against all odds of people intent on preventing me  from divulging any more
secrets or solutions to the signs that lot of people have been chasing for many many years!

you can be suspicious of anything you want..but telling someone they are wrong is a very difficult thing to do , BUT when I do I make every attempt to show them what the real signs are....

if your math teacher showed you your addition was incorrect would you also be suspicious?



Telling someone they are wrong is a "touchy" subject, which I alluded to early on this thread..it is difficult, I hate to have to disappoint some one, as this is a very subject topic, and I am over all trying to get everyone including you to be more objective and discriminating!

This response is a waste of time as well, as this time could be spent on learning more about our subject that trying to convince you that I know what I am talking about.....



...ah I think I am the one that spent lots of time researching and posting pareidolia info - so that folks like you and others could learn one of the key aspects of understanding what you are seeing while your looking and trying to decipher these signs? hmm>



.In additon I have a multi-page thread called Signs/Marks 101  and the other Signs Diagnosed Here,(funny enough this very thread)  ready and waiting for anyone to ask me specifically what something might mean,...so I am starting to think your not being genuine here Blind...
sounds more like an attempt to derail or at least have others doubt what I am putting down here.

No matter I have seen it before it always comes out sooner or later, most of my detractors- usually give up , when they realize that you can not stop a man who is right and keeps on keeping on..so if your innocent, fine, if your malevolent that is fine too, for the former I offer an apology for the later then bring it....

My intent is not to bicker but, to discuss where you get off telling everyone else that their Rorschach  (corrected spelling)... are wrong and only yours are correct.  .

I get off sir because of accumulated knowledge of the subject, with tens of thousands of hours all over 10 western states since 1985. I also get off, compelled for now, that may change soon..to teach and help folks out with these meanings, because someone, very unselfishly helped me out  a decade or more when I was stuck on a trail I was following, the gratitude that I felt was overwhelming, and I thought that I would 'pay it back' and help others who were stuck like I was..that is where I get off!
you ok with that? great, I am happy that you now know my 'intent' is honest.
 



The shadow sign of the cow skull, I dont think anyone really saw it..is only the second one I have seen, and it clearly makes the same statement here as well.

..if you dont believe it or dont want to hear it, then leave my posts alone.
and it will be fine with me too, if however, after this far too long and winded answer to your post challenging my abilities and attitudes, then I look forward to your gentlemanly participation!

I invite you to post any of your pics right here on this thread, and I will give you my honest opinion on what ever you post..please take me up on this offer, so that I know you are sincere.
thank you in advance
hope this helps
rangler






ps-almost forgot this one....
I still haven't seen one response to the question I posed in another thread.  The question was, "How is it possible that the letter 'B' could represent treasure?"

That question went entirely ignored.

It went ignored because I didnt see it,first of all...and  besides that theory, which i believe by the way, and since it was Dign that brought that sign to light AND I have not found it myself in the field, I did not feel qualified to answer. I'll give you the brief overview..the 13 is the thirteenth letter of the
alphabet..there is your clue, it will  make a better impression on you if you do the work yourself..it is in dign post, which I researched and reposted here for all to read..
 .. Dign is not around this site any more..and if you read his and my posts then you know the answer to that reason as well...


I specifically would like rangler to weigh in on this.
consider it weighed dude!

[fifth]

Sorry but, I did not read EVERYTHING you wrote.  I just had ONE simple question.  I appreciate the honesty of your answer regarding the 'B'.  It is very respectable to take a guess an say I don't know.  It is strange to se  I feel that no attempt to discredit you was made.  I simply wanted to know why your scratchy mark-ups were so much better than eveyone else's.  There is nothing wrong with being wrong.  I just choose fewer words in hopes that it happens less often.

And, before you assume that I do not know what I am talking about or before you assume that I haven't done my own homework, think again.

In my particular case:
'B's first meaning is Baruch.  It's second meaning is it's numerical order in the alphabet which is '2'.

Baruch Ch1:V2
"In the fifth year, in the seventh day of the month, at the time that the Chaldeans took Jerusalem, and burnt it with fire."

5th/7th.......or........5'7".......the depth of the burial

'B' may have an entirely different for someone's else trail.

Who knows and who cares?

BIT,  how would one know about this "Baruch"?  What is it? and how would a relatively inexperienced person KNOW about this book or person?
This is NOT a "dig", but an honest question.

BIT,
thank you ,

 , I was afraid you were going rouge on me..lol
Very nice information you just divulged !
Check this out.... as you know, I have been saying over and over
about the double and triple meanings of signs, well this fits perfectly!

Dign was the one who solved the 13, and he talked about the one and
the three merged to form the letter B, he explained that the 13th  letter
is M and   M equals Minerva as in Owl of Minerva use by the pre-Christian
Pagans, so here we have a secondary meaning giving the Depth to dig as
well! Wow it is not often that I  get a brand new piece of the puzzle

AND  just so you dont think I am getting carried away...consider..the depth
is within 2 inches of the depth the King commanded as 5'9" !
AND as confirmation for me, is that Baruch is mentioned in the Vulgate or
Catholic bible..so thats a keeper, now to prove it out in the field..lol
~from Wiki....
The Book of Baruch, occasionally referred to as 1 Baruch, is called a deuterocanonical book of the Bible. Although not in the Hebrew Bible, it is found in the Septuagint and in the Vulgate Bible
~
to put him in a little context, he was Jeremiahs' scribe

this isone tiny example of what working together can accomplish..imagine...more cooperation and better,  understanding and certainly less naysayers ....what could we achieve...
rangler

BIT,
well thank you , I was afraid you were going rouge on me..lol
Very nice information you just divulged !
Check this out.... as you know, I have been saying over and over
about the double and triple meanings of signs, well this fits perfectly!

Dign was the one who solved the 13, and he talked about the one and
the three merged to form the letter B, he explained that the 13th  letter
is M and   M equals Minerva as in Owl of Minerva use by the pre-Christian
Pagans, so here we have a secondary meaning giving the Depth to dig as
well! Wow it is not often that I  get a brand new piece of the puzzle

AND  just so you dont think I am getting carried away...consider..the depth
is within 2 inches of the depth the King commanded as 5'9" !
AND as confirmation for me, is that Baruch is mentioned in the Vulgate or
Catholic bible..so thats a keeper, now to prove it out in the field..lol
~from Wiki....
The Book of Baruch, occasionally referred to as 1 Baruch, is called a deuterocanonical book of the Bible. Although not in the Hebrew Bible, it is found in the Septuagint and in the Vulgate Bible
~
to put him in a little context, he was Jeremaihs' scribe

this one tiny example of what working together can accomplish..imagine...more and better, what could we achieve...
rangler

No rouge(ing) from me.  I don't play that game.  For everyone, remember that the Spanish word for mine is mina.

Hello, just looking to see if any of these would be concidered a sun / shadow sign.
Thanks.

ph17
Not sure the first pics are too close to get the over all look,
the last pic, the tiny one shows a animal head shadow on the left
and on the right I see a backward 7, if the tiny pic was enlarged
it would be better and an over all shot further back to get a good
prospective.
thanks for posting
rangler

Ditto, Ph17

ph17...did the trail lead you to this spot? If so..there might be some possibilities there and you would be close ..in my opinion..which is speculation. If the trail did not lead you there..not sure if it is natural or not.  The possibilities are ones I myself struggle with as to real or not.

Anyway..in general the sun signs I have noticed tend to almost glow. I see one or 2 things with that glow. Natural or not..not sure.

This..is a sun and maybe a shadow sign too.

DM! WOW, what a great eye for the signs! Can you see the man with the flying Biblical headdress, almost telling one to fly to where the heart is pointing!!  WOW!  td

Rangler / TD -  Here some wider shots of the 'ted' pics. These pics were late in the day,  went out again in the afternoon, the W above the eye is connected to a figure 8 which also lights up in the shadow (you can somewhat see the outline of the 8 on the right hand side in the 226 ted pic), of course my camera was dead by the time I got to the location (figures).  Also what looks like a 7 over M shadow  on the right is a lot darker around noon.
The 1mar has been expanded for you, I'm not sure it has any meaning although it looks detailed (est 12' across), I was just trying to find a possible example of a shadow sign and it looks like some marks I have found elsewhere (J1+J2).  The J1 and J2 are right at the same size (est 8'' wide) and 150' apart.  They are similar in style to the 1mar pic.

DM - This is in a different location, but I believe it to be the 4th spot in a series that I have been folowing, looking for and old spanish camp spot my grandparents found back in the 50's.

How's this for cloud chasing, I was out looking over the valley to see if I find anything that says "come here".  I found 2 possible faces in a 200' cliff at the entrance of a canyon.  One day while I was looking at some of the pics that I have from in the canyon, I noticed a little 5' guy off to the right of what I was taking a picture of.  just happens to have the same face as the big one at the entrance.  I'm sure it doesn't have anything to do with eachother, but still looks cool to me so I figured I'd share.

maybe a hummingbird?

BIT,  how would one know about this "Baruch"?  What is it? and how would a relatively inexperienced person KNOW about this book or person?
This is NOT a "dig", but an honest question.

One would know about Baruch because, one should always read his Bible.  If not for the salvation of one's soul then, for the salvation of one's treasure at the end of the trail.

Baruch is not in the KJV and that is the only Bible I have.........plus the Book of Jubilees,  the Book of Enoch,  The Book of Jasher, and a book titled, Daniel and the Revelation, by Uriah Smith. 

bill,
in something called the  deuto-canonical texts, found in the rabbinical writings....and in the Catholic bible as well.


The disciple of Jeremiah, ( actually jeremiahs' scribe )and the traditional author of the deuto-canonical book, which bears his name. He was the son of Nerias (Jeremiah 32:12, 32:16; 36:4, 8, 32; Baruch 1:1), and most probably the brother of Saraias, chief chamberlain to King Sedecias (Jeremiah 32:12; 51:59; Baruch 1:1).

  Deuterocanonical books is a term used since the sixteenth century in the Catholic Church and Eastern Christianity to describe certain books and passages of the Christian Old Testament that are not part of the Hebrew Bible. The term is used in contrast to the protocanonical books, which are contained in the Hebrew Bible. This distinction had previously contributed to debate in the early Church about whether they should be read in the churches and thus be classified as canonical texts.


wiki~
The Deuterocanonical books are considered canonical by Roman Catholics, but are considered non-canonical by most Protestants. The word deuterocanonical comes from the Greek meaning 'belonging to the second canon'.

not sure this helps
rangler

It helps, rangler.  I've been told that the Book of Enoch was removed from the KJV years ago, and, after realizing that a handfull of theologians decided which writings to put into the Bible in the first place, I've decided to get other writings by folks who lived back then to add to my library.  Thus, the Book of Enoch,  the Book of Jubilees, and the Book of Jasher are in it now.  Others will be added.  The Book of Jasher was mentioned by, I think, Joshua ONCE.   

Ph17!
  This is about all I could figure out on your above pics, there is what looks like a Sun sign Egyptian lady with a tall head dress/hat and she telling us to look up and right too what I believe to be the darker wall, we are looking at her from over her right shoulder,, The Shadow face behind her is also looking at the same spot. There is a hooded figure up and left of the woman, and he is looking at that shaded area, off to his right,, ( circled in yellow ) or too the spot the woman is looking. Then there is the 7,, that is part of another sign,, but all I can see is the 7 pointing off to the right and up!! This is the only direction I can be sure of!  The area the woman and the shadow face are looking at,, could be the shape of what I call a Treasure Chest sign/rock! It looks like you took this pic from a long ways off!
       The other pics are too close for me to see anything,, pics taken from further back and showing more of the area are best,,,,,  and something else,,, most signs in pics are better seen when you stand back further from your monitor screen, even center room!  Good Luck Amigo!   td

BIT,
thank you ,
Very nice information !
this one tiny example of what working together can accomplish..imagine.. what could we all achieve...working together for the common good.
rangler

Shameless tag.....

bit
check your pm's

poorfarm,
I see a hoyo in this pic, and it looks like you are too close in for the monument to come into sight., look for confirmation marks before you microscopically examine the rock. As right now you are apt to see graffiti -more than real marks. So back up for a  longer shot next time  you visit this site..
thanks
rangler





golden spiral using golden math Phi 1-1.6 ratio

   Hi everyone,
thanks for all the help they have given me through his interesting
publications..thanks also for your disposition.
   I apologize first,not English,are my first words here, do not master
the technology..but my love for the subject is,like you,very passionate.
   Please be patient.
   To Rangler and partners: I found a site very varied symbols and signs
I'm sure they look very interesting. There are several symbols that I will
publish if you'll allow me.
   I appreciate any help and time..Gracias guys!.

Tama,
welcome to tnet, thanks for posting your pics,
I get the impression they are very old and worn, especially on basalt volcanic looking rock which is very hard.
The rock in the background looked 'dressed' and made a three dimensional  triangle pointer like stone...
[the red line] which my hunch is that it is pointing at 120 or 180 degrees south.
The face looks like a critter for sure, but I get the 'impression' is is owl like, that would go with the pointer...'ie cache this way'
interesting to say the least. Not a  monument but a trail sign seeming to point to a cache.
hmmm
rangler

cont...
This rock  looks like at first a 'Z' and I thought the pozo nearby...
however when marked it is an 'S' I believe, and if that pointer is correct
then this is confirmation for the general direction of South.
interesting
rangler

cont...
this is a very unusual sign, first impression is that it is a mine sign, with 11 rays
coming off the  mine....the gray line on the bottom shows rock incorporation for the
elevation of the terrain...

a very rich mine... at one time, very small signs an no monuments, perhaps very very
early in the Baja Jesuits, when this area was the Frontier. circa 1600's
hope this helps a bit..
rangler


ps: 7 rays = gold then 2 rays meaning 20% silver. about the correct  mix for gold found in this area all the way up the Sierra Nevada mountains...

Rangler
   Thank you very much for the welcome and for their valuable assistance.
   Internet sailed very little, hence my delay.
   Many symbols are too worn and for that reason I also think they are
very old.
   I will take into account their performances.
  Thanks again!

Tama,
Let me say to you, welcome amigo.
Use the reverse image function in your paint program to enhance the pictures.
The missing pieces will often show up, especially on weather worn and very old signs.

I look forward to more of your adventure.

Could be a horse facing right.

 there is 1 eagle head bottom right corner

Ditto Old Dog
and a couple of other players as well....
[ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ] pic removed  by op request!

1. Eagle head-the eagles sight line passes right thru the horses sight-line. both end up at the  man mouth [mine/cache entrance]
2. shadow of Spanish horse head-King of Spain s logo/death sign
3.White Dog looking at mans mouth
4.Mans profile face looking left-eye closed [close]

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hope this helps

rangler

poor farm,
you have to think about iconic symbols, and confirmation. Without that the shapes you see are the illusions of pareidolia or graffiti. Better to catch it early, it can ruin your treasure hunting career.
No hoyo to confirm, now you need at least 5 Classic Signs of the Codemakers. I just don't see anything like that on this rock face.
sorry but its better to know the truth sooner, than later
rangler

poorfarm:
   Haven't you learned, yet?  You are not allowed to admire the art of previous travelers in our country.  You must concentrate ONLY on the Spanish leavings and do not make the mistake of removing your blinders.  Please genuflect and continue.  

Trackers, Argonauts,
Please ignore the rantings of cloud readers and the like.
When this site be comes a history site, or a ' I wonder who did that blog'
 or maybe the 'aliens needed gold for their spaceships site'. I will  post
thoughts other than the true Spanish Colonial Treasure Signs and
Symbols type data....until then stay on focus trackers the
'Discontented' are mucking about trying to validate graffiti and
cloud reading.
rangler
'hit the magic iggie button and clear the pollution from your screen'




J3:7 "Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. He who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous.'

I think this site hates my computer. I've tried to upload a few pics three times now, and it wont work. Anyways, I went out and found some possible signs. They're probably just figments of my imagination. I don't know if the Spanish ever went through this part of town, and the closest mines are an hours drive away. I can't imagine them lugging treasures for a couple of days just to bury them. Then again, the railroad is close by, as well as the 10 FWY. I also know juan bautista de anza came through here So,..... just maybe.

anyways, here's a link to photobucket for four of the pictures. let me know if you see anything. I also found a rock with a three on it, some stacked rocks that just didn't stack themselves, on the owl hoyo rock there's tons of V's and stuff and a bunch of other random things. If you actually think there might be something to this, I'll upload more to photobucket so you guys can look.

http://s1197.photobucket.com/albums/aa433/treasurechest2/

Here ya go, Treasurechest.

Thank you shortstack!

In the first picture, It looks like a turtle that's standing up, with a lightning bolt on it's back

The second picture is an owl, and you can see through it like a hoyo.

the third picture kind of looks like an owl, and inside of it are a bunch of rocks that look like someone shoved them in there.

I don't know why they came out so blurry. It's a 14 megapixel camera. maybe from resizing?

Thanks guys

on that second pic I posted, it looks like an owl hoyo at the right angle. I tried to take the best picture i could. I also found a heart, two V's and a Y on it.  I think the heart was on the backside. I'll need to check the rest of the pictures I took.

I don't see the horse. though. On another rock not too far from there, I also took pictures of something that looks like a horse shoe., and there were two or three horseshoes on that one rock.

Gosh, I need to get this picture thing down pat for this site. If i could load a dang pic, I could circle all the things I see. On what I called the turtle, (you said it was a man with a T by his foot) there's a lightning bolt going straight down.

Great stuff everybody !

love the way they put the old man 2gether.cool picture. brent

Treasurechest:
   I screwed up big time with your photos.  After seeing how clear hadji009's copy came out, I went back to your photobucket site and discovered that I had used the WRONG method to download copies.  So, everything I wrote in my "instruction" post is unnecessary, except for the things about uploading to the forum.  Your camera is working find and your technique looks great.  It was my own foul-up and I apologize for it.  My only excuse is,  I have never used PhotoBucket before.  

    Thanks hadji for showing the way.


EDIT:    I erased the bad information I had posted above and have reposted  your photos as I should have done the first time.

Thank you shortstack! ok does anyone see the lightning bolt on the "turtle"? Or the owl hoyo? I don't know if It's even a real hoyo.  It just kinda looked like an owl.

Tc:
   That angular line on the "turtle's" back might be a map to nearby trails.  Did you notice that strange, angular wall-like thing in the background that I boxed in red?

That weird thing in the background is a bunch of cinderblocks. It's only got three walls, and I can't figure out what it's used for.  I think maybe someone used to burn their trash there or something. I couldn't find any old house pad, so that small wall is a mystery to me as well.

poorfarm! Sorry to respond so late,, I also see what rangler see's, and I think the small Eagle is looking at a dark mouth, as is a small shadow pointer coming out of the bigger shadow. And the man's face looking left that rangler pointed out. is also looking at the dark mouth.
   The dark mouth/entry might be located above the White Dog. Look for the White Dog off to the right, since most eyes, beaks, are pointing in that direction. Hope this helps!  td  Good to see you punching!!

poorfarm! This look like one of your Dogs, looks like the Black one to me, find the White one rangler pointed out!  td

hey tesoro i posted wall under rangler heres pics of wall so i could keep pics in line

Tc,
I am wondering if the crooked line on the turtle's back is really showing a wing.  Thus making the turtle a winged man instead.  The one thing that would make this a possibility is if the head would have had a profile with eyes, nose, and mouth.  Just a thought.

okey dokey

TC,
Congratulations!
you have your first Spanish Treasure Sign. the owl hoyo is awesome. It is very nicely
constructed, without any doubt a classic sign. With the standing turtle not so much.
I see what your seeing, but without confirmation marks, the turtle is still iffy. The lightning bolt
is pretty weak as far as man made goes. It looks more like 'rock incorporation' but with out other classic signs on this rock,
 we have to let it go as natural, perhaps more pics, at the 11-1pm
time frame will reveal more data that can confirm the turtle.

Now you need to search out the next sign that goes with the Owl hoyo! Good luck and have fun- if you need any help just holler
rangler

Tc,
I am wondering if the crooked line on the turtle's back is really showing a wing.  Thus making the turtle a winged man instead.  The one thing that would make this a possibility is if the head would have had a profile with eyes, nose, and mouth.  Just a thought.

okey dokey

Hi Okey Dokey!

I think this was a bird in this photo. or maybe a winged man. I don't know

[With the standing turtle not so much.I see what your seeing, but without confirmation marks, the turtle is still iffy]

TC,
Congratulations!
you have your first Spanish Treasure Sign. the owl hoyo is awesome. It is very nicely
constructed, without any doubt a classic sign. With the standing turtle not so much.
I see what your seeing, but without confirmation marks, the turtle is still iffy. The lightning bolt
is pretty weak as far as man made goes. It looks more like 'rock incorporation' but with out other classic signs on this rock,
 we have to let it go as natural, perhaps more pics, at the 11-1pm
time frame will reveal more data that can confirm the turtle.

Now you need to search out the next sign that goes with the Owl hoyo! Good luck and have fun- if you need any help just holler
rangler

Hi Rangler!

Does this possibly look like a turtle? I took these pics around 11, but it was cloudy outside that day

Did the spanish ever use horseshoes as symbols?

This is the first rock I noticed all the way from the road. From the road it looked like it had a giant "R" or a "Pi" on it. this is what got me out of the truck and investigating hahah

i see a bird and another head in bottom rock

Treasurechest,

The first picture looks as though you have captured two turtles
Nice packmule in the background.

The second picture has stuff going on to the left I have circled it.
one looks like a white dog.

Common name for a short cairn or stack of stones is a "packmule"

TreasureChest, nice pics. The first pic had a pile of rocks behind the turtle. Have you looked at your turtle from that point?

Hey Casa.

NO I haven't gone back yet. I probably wont until I get some rattlesnake proof boots. I took my GF fishing today, and actually saw two rattlesnakes mating. I couldn't believe it, because it's only the 2nd of April. I THOUGHT I had another month before they came out to play. I'm glad I didn't find out the hard way.

I need to get a metal detector. There's a couple spots on that hill that have definately made me wonder if there's something buried there/ stuffed in the cracks.

Thank you Old dog, I was wondering where  you saw a mule in my picture! 

Possibilities.

Treasurchest said

Thank you Old dog, I was wondering where  you saw a mule in my picture!

Here it is circled in blue with an arrow.

TC,
sorry no turtle, but keep trying he is around there somewhere..
rangler

Does anyone (with experience in this) live near Hemet, that wants to check this out with me?

TC:
   There is at least ONE turtle in that photo;  possibly TWO.  The top one has his head stretched out on a long neck.  Check the direction the head is pointing, for more signs / monuments.  I don't think it has any legs showing; but not sure.

po'farm,
early spanish mines were dug pits....when a vein showed above the ground with gold in it..they  dug down in a V shaped pit..later expeditions learned mining from the Welch  Tin miners imported to Mexico in the early days of the 16th Century. From them they learned how to set timbers and to mine upwards on the vein called 'stoping' (stow-ping)[easier to let the ore fall down than to hoist it up], a method perfected by the  late comer to the gold mining party...the '49ers
rangler

po'farm,
I have a symbol just like that on a old site I am working. on mine the bear was looking at
a formation of rocks [monument] that showed in small scale where the goods were laid out
on the  ground in real life scale- on the same hill side.

I never would have believed someone else would find one too. If the sign is real and not an accident of time and circumstance, then he is looking at something they wanted you to see.
the adventure continues...
are there any rock walls  nearby? hand stacked dry rock walls...Large boulders, outcrops ect
the real old timers were the Spanish circa 1500's-1670's!
rangler