Treasure Marks/Signs - Diagnosed Here

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   This thread is for the newbie  and the pro to find out what their treasure sign or symbols means, or whether it even is a true sign. In light of the some posters on this forum and others who see fit to discourage treasure hunters, to deny treasure signs and symbols.

 We are not accepting posts here from people who have nothing but negative comments. These negative comments are not useful in any sense but to discourage people from perusing their objectives. The world at large is enough negative forces against the success of the individual treasure hunter..from private property, to federal property, to IRS to State and local laws..there are plenty of negativity out there without having it intrude on a treasure hunting forum!
Being straight and to the point..if you can't help in some way, or post something positive, then do yourself and us a favor DO NOT POST here, you can start your own negative anti-treasure hunting post, and be right out in the open..instead of hiding and lurking and sniping  earnest and sincere treasure hunters here who are looking for help

To find out if your sign is real ..post your pics here..be sure to give close up shots only.we don't care or want any landmarks that could identify your site, We don't care what state that your site is in..Spanish Treasure Signs for the most part are universal... for the best analysis
we need a shot of the Alpha..enough to see all the boulders in the grouping. If there is a hoyo in the monument...face that hoyo square on and click the pic..on Alpha's you will see mostly blue sky thru the hoyo.. if it is an Omega, smaller and any hoyo here will be so that the ground or other rocks will be seen..

For the best chance to get your site looked at and certified as a genuine Spanish monument take your photos between 11am - 1pm..with your back to the sun..facing the monument.
Try to have at least 5 mega pixel digital cam..for best clarity. Don't ignore the shadows., the most information sometimes is in the shadows.

There is a lot of mother nature produced boulders and rocks out there that resemble animals, letters,numbers, and could make you think you have found a treasure mark or sign..remember that the Spanish used this natural background camouflage to hide their own marks..so it does take some skill, experience and training to confirm these marks or signs.

Skeptics always tell you 'no' that is just natural or whatever, but remember they have NO experience, anyone who is a skeptic has No training, No education, No basis in fact to tell you anything about any treasure sign or  mark..they just want to discourage people in general from treasure hunting at all..

They are the 'tree hugger' brigade of posters who have some sort of hidden agenda,,that keeping you from finding something suits their purpose. We don't claim to know all there agendas..what do know is that the Jesuits, the Masons, the Mormons,The Mother Church, various secret organizations to include the Illuminati, and others not yet identified, and don't forget Spain herself, and many others,do not want you to dig any treasure out of the ground.

Add to that the government types from the Forestry Circus, to the BLM, to the Parks and Recs, who ALL are in competition with you to recover treasures!!

So you never know who is reading this public board and who is posting all the negative comments..Finally add to the mix the few old school treasure hunters that have paid their dues and it has taken them a life time to dig out little by little the answers and the solutions to the codes, the signs and the symbols do NOT want this true and correct information out there..they will come on and pooh-pooh anything they think is getting to close to the truth.

They even have ganged up on learned folks also have paid the dues, but were benevolent enough to share some of this hard earned information on line! They have driven those people off this site and others! That is wrong, very  wrong..the greed of some people is unimaginable, there are thousands and thousands of treasure caches all over the country and the  world..so no one needs to be greedy.

So a clue for you folks is to watch and learn by their posts..when they rant to hard,deny too much..then you know the truth is coming out..they will whine,stomp their feet, call their buddies, gang up on posters who distribute the solutions freely..at all cost they will attempt to stifle this information. I have no fear..they can't touch me or rattle me or run me off. I will help anyone I can with what ever I know about treasure signs and symbols..that I have learned in my 20+years of experience!

Pay attention.Use your brain.Look closely.They will use 'political correctness' that socialist control mechanism and claim you are bashing them with personal attacks..it's just a form of manipulation and attempt to set the agenda and stay in control..to make you feel meek, weak and not in control-ignore this crap..speak out - exercise your First Amendment Rights..be polite and confront them with facts and personal experiences. Fight for your Right to hunt Treasure in the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave.
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A word about the treasure in the Philippines-this category  of treasure signs, is unique in that the signs were laid down by the Japanese during and before World War 2. This army had at their disposal all the labor and work force and equipment to lay down some complex deep and dangerous treasure caches. Some of the caches laid down by battalion strength were up to 80 feet deep and more. Water table traps, explosive ordinance, gas, poison were used,individual people should not try to recover these deep caches.
 
The company sized caches were buried at around 20 feet more or less and are still dangerous..but mostly to your budget,they are all designed to flood at the water table level, and you will spend all your money on pumps and fuel..pumping endless amout of water out of your hard dug hole.
The bright side of these Japanese treasure sites..mostly from General Yamashiita era is that the signs they used were from the Jesuits Code Book, While you will run into Ancient Japanese Script,the signs are exactly the same as the Spanish Jesuits Signs..
For the skeptic..
Buy and read the book by Seagrave called 'Golden Warriors' Over 15,000 metric tonnes of Gold and treasure were buried under the Occupying Forces of the Japanese, mind boggling amounts, the largest plunder in the history of the world. But alas the Republic of the Philippines is one of the poorest countries in the world. Their honorable citizens ave yearly incomes is only $1000. Please show the honorable ones some respect. I believe that this treasure belongs to the Philippines and its people..and will do what ever I can to help them solve the signs and symbols. Beware of those that want to just scam - as you would all people - all over the world who don't have your best interest at heart.

The Jesuits were in every country in the known world over their 300 year reign- from China
to Africa, to Australia  to Greece and beyond..they mined gold and buried the Kings Fifth in all these countries,as well as the Mines. The symbols are universal because of the way they were designed in the beginning.

Lastly a wise treasure hunter on this site has warned repeatedly about Death Traps. Read his post..(We are hoping that Marc will Pin this Post to the top of the page as MUST READING..

This is not some comic book or Indiana Jones type  joke or fantasy. The Spaniards/Jesuits/Masons were smart, greedy,adamant,dedicated and brutal, plus they had a contract with the King of Spain that meant if they failed to get the Kings Fifth to him safely, they would die. So to protect their caches and mines..the set very dangerous, very insidious, boulder and death traps that stay triggered for over 300 years!

Every single cache of the Kings Fifth is Death Trapped.. They were not against killing a few of the Slaves and toss them into the hole to have the tortured souls of the dead protect their sites..evoking the Devil himself if necessary to protect the Kings Gold.
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 Caution Caution Caution. Do Not Attempt To Dig without recognizing the Trap, how to defuse, disarm,and render harmless these Traps. If you are unsure..send pics to this forum..their are several savvy professional treasure hunters on this site that will be happy and glad to keep you from getting killed or worse.  :stop:Caution Caution Caution.
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"you know the story about the mouse who was crossing the rail road tracks and was too slow.. the train run over his tail ... he went back while the train was still rolling ...and the train ran over his ass ... moral to the story ... don't lose your ass over a piece of tail"

Moral to the mouse story.."don't lose your tail over a piece of  cache"
...rangler

rangler:


Nice story telling and I agree from what you says...

Everybody should contribute their knowlege on how to get our own individual sites.. It is a big help if somebody in this forum can provide those information that can identify those several marking & sign that are shown here..

manvat

Good evening, rangler.  In the text that you wrote, you said the following, in part:  "....from General Yamashiita era is that the signs they used were from the Jesuits Code Book."  This is highly interesting to me.  Where can I obtain a copy of the Jesuits Code Book.  I have been searching high and low for the very book, but I have not been able to locate it.  And I must say, alas, I have yet to find a Spanish Code Book.  I would like to obtain a copy of the Spanish Code Book.  A question comes to my mind as to why the Jesuits would have their own Code Book, saying that the Spanish already had one?  Because the Jesuits were religious people, what is the purpose of a presumably secret code book.

I am all for sharing and cooperation.  I do a lot of historical research and computer databasing of names, facts, dates, and so on.     I would love to obtain a copies of both Jesuit and Spanish Code Books.  Please inform me where and how I can obtain these books.  Thanks a lot, in advance.  Poncho33   

Poncho
There is no known copy that exists that we know about..I have conjectured that a book like this had to exist at one time during the 300 years that the Jesuits worked for the King of Spain, mining gold an silver..the hundreds of codes that they shared with the Kings men, who recovered these treasures would have had to a copy of the signs that were being laid down by the Jesuits and the other Spanish Conquistadors.. so I was a little flippant in mentioning this book.

Really what we are trying to do here to recreate that book, with contributions of all those serious treasure hunters out there..if you have sign you wanted decoded...post it here..myself and others who are generous and want to help brother treasure hunters will try to get the answer..likewise if we help you solve one or more signs..then if you know some proven solutions then you can pay everyone back by sharing some of yours..we are not greedy people by nature, those of us that want to share out knowledge.

Welcome Pancho to our experiment in  trust and truth. Your welcome to post pic..just kinda close ups if you want..What we like to see in the first shot is the Hoyo..the one place on the monument that you can see the sky thru,,this is the confirmation mark the perhaps your site is valid.

Whatever you want to share is fine with us..this is your posting place..you do what you want.
We are here to help..there are quite a few very wise and experienced treasures hunters on here
who will pitch in and help once we get the ball rolling..

Sorry no Jesuit Code Book yet..but if you help us.. we can build one from scratch..and share everything a long the way. We want you to find what you are looking for..book  or no book
thanks again
rangler

"the difference between a skeptic and a treasure hunter is attitude "....rangler

(posters note: when posts are deleted it makes the response appear out of context, when posters
attack and then delete we know the motive was not pure or righteous,I will delete this reponse to
that attack for the information that is still useful)

Sorry g****m
I am not stilldign..what a one track brain you have..don't you think that more than you and your buddy have some experience, and knowledge and hard earned results.. that more than one poster that is not greedy and wants to share the truth about treasure hunting..can come on here and walk the walk and talk the talk without all being embodied in one persona ,

 he sure has you guys snookered..don't get me wrong, I don't mind be compared to him, he is brilliant, savvy, and very articulate and most of all NOT greedy about treasure. I urge everyone who reads this to look up dign4it or still dign's post on this site -- his wisdom is awesome, it is original, not the same old hashed over stuff in most of the books you can buy..Dign is Right ON..I suggest that you copy and print out his stuff be4 it gets mysteriously "hacked" as what happened over at ALT (http://ancientlosttreasure.com) look for dign4it or stilldigns post here to and read all the ridicule that those guys put him trough and you will learn much that you will never find in a book and be sure to copy and print what he has posted over there..to..they have a resident hacker over there who like to wipe out lots of stuff..so now you know..AND thanks again gollum for reminding me to tell all the good folks about one of our communities brilliant treasure hunters that you and your buddy's ran off that site..seems you are very useful today g****m

But......

You should have read the intro to this post, ::)Listen UP- We don't need the skeptics here, neither the ones that know nothing or the ones that know a little. And you proved my point! Thanks for that anyway.
You have every single post on this massive site to post your negativity BUT this one.
I think that is fair. Don't you..
Hey why don't you and SMR and gang start a Critic's Post..you guys all get together in one place
and have a ball..hmmmmm denying treasure exists,  discouraging new treasure hunters, ridiculing their posts. Injecting doubt, tell them a rock is just a rock, ah you know all the stuff youse guys have been doing all over the net on a lot of boards..like telling them that you have to be appointed or anointed or immaculate conceived or what ever..before you ever stand a chance of finding any treasure..THAT sir is really the most egotistical and elitist statement that I every heard!.. sounds like a confidence game to me..but hey if that is your thing then I am sure you will get what you deserve..... ok g****m.?
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....I said in the opening post.........

So a clue for you folks is to watch and learn by their posts..when they rant to hard,deny too much..then you know the truth is coming out..they will whine,stomp their feet, call their buddies, gang up on posters who distribute the solutions freely..at all cost they will attempt to stiffle this information. I have no fear..they can't touch me or rattle me or run me off. I will help anyone I can with what ever I know about treasure signs and symbols..that I have learned in my 20+years of experience!

For you folks that just joined us..my first salvo over the bow of the skeptics generated a post that HE
called my statements the most [prohibited word deleted ] he ever heard..didn't I tell you that I would smoke them out?
 I deleted his post (actually I ignored his post) to keep the place clean and safe for the serious treasure hunter who wants to talk here in an open and honest forum, like this site was meant to do! ( the moderator deleted his post)

So welcome folks..we have the power of the pen and the power to ignore any trash..so let the fun begin..Post any pics here you want ,ask if  you have questions ...if you don't  want all your pics public right now, I understand..just send them thru the message board, I will give you complete security and will hold any and all communications and pics in strictest confidence! I am a man of my word.

Beware of others in the disinformation cartel calling me different names as an harrassment technique... to trying to discredit the truth about signs  that I willingly give for free, these people don't want this info to come and want to control this info for just themselves and their friends.

I am bucking that and winning small victories all along the way, thanks to the moderators of this site. these people calling me names is the sort of flack you get, when you are right  over the target, so use this to your advantage..when they protest to much , you know some truth has come out and they want to bury or discredit that information. they will not and cannot stop me, so listen up and take advantage of the info, they will signal you to pay attention, by their personal attacks and cheap shorts to discredit the data//
 good 'enuff/ nuff said

rangler

" The pen is mightier than the sword"
" The keyboard is mightier that the critic"......rangler

Well, rangler, goldiver, dign4it, stilldign, et al: the name changes but the snake oil is still pouring from the same bottle I see (so far).  Maybe with your new identity you'll also turn over a new leaf and back up your chatter with some sort of verification of the convoluted double-talk you've become well known for.  It's not that we're negative, skeptical nay-sayers about this topic, it's just that we're negative, skeptical nay-sayers about your growing reputation of 'all hat, no cowboy'. 

OK, OK, I'll be open-minded.  Here - I'll be the first to allow you to apply your 'knowledge and hard earned results' to the photo below of a very well-known 'treasure map'.  I'll be the first to admit that I don't know what the carvings are saying.  Here's your chance to validate your boasting - what do these carvings tell you?  Something specific please.

 

Thank you for the reply, mr. rangler.  I definitely was/am interested in what you had to say, principally because of your sentence:  "The bright side of these Japanese treasure sites..mostly from General Yamashiita era is that the signs they used were from the Jesuits Code Book, While you will run into Ancient Japanese Script,the signs are exactly the same as the Spanish Jesuits Signs..".  Hence, your wording suggested that the Japanese Army in World War-II possessed and used a copy of a Jesuit Code Book.  Therefore I concluded that such a code book should be easily accessable today in the marketplace, and/or from the U.S. National Archives (where huge amounts of WW-II materials were deposited).  I am sorry to learn that non such Jesuit Code Book exists.  And it would seem that non such Spanish Code Book exists either.     Poncho33

Springfield,

That is an awesome map.
Have you tried looking at it in a negative ?
It takes the part you want to see and emphasises it and pushes the graffiti right out of the picture.
I did it to your photo and here is what shows.

There are several maps there, one over the other.
Pretty cool,
I think using the picture this way will help sort them out.

Thom

Thanks Old Dog
for the negative image you posted.. I worked on this for quite some time..and accidentally deleted the post..ouch..but I will work it all up again and post it soon.. I have a solution for both maps
Distance and Direction and Depth..and its a great demo for the new troops who want to  see the logic and the way the Jesuits think and encode their maps.I think some pros will learn a little bit around the edges too...


rangler


"Gold there is, and rubies in abundance, but lips that speak knowledge are a rare jewel." P:20

There are several maps there, one over the other.
Pretty cool,
I think using the picture this way will help sort them out.

Thom

Thom, you're absolutely correct - there are messages upon messages here, spanning at least three general time periods.  Yes, I've photo-shopped this and other pictures of these carvings using a variety of techniques, revealing some interesting results.  One below. 

Logically, many of the symbols seem to be topographically inspired, but that is not necessarily the case, IMO.  The much older, fainter carvings at this site and others closeby are quite interesting to me - I wish there was a proven and reliable way of dating them.  The archies I've talked to, once you wade through their dogma, obviously have no idea what's going on here.  The newer, fresher looking carvings were added later with some duplication of the older ones - the 'mark of possession' symbol for one.  This is the symbol associated with both the planet venus (Quetzalcoatl) and also displayed on the sails of Columbus' fleet (Templar cross).  Also, surprisingly, some of the much more recent 'grafitti' is extremely interesting in itself due to the cryptic messages to be gleaned from them.  Most of these are not visible in the posted photo.  Even more intriguing is the location of this panel.  It occupies a crucial point (King's Chamber if you will) in a precise geometric pyramid pattern that emcompasses about 54 square miles, marked by major landmarks and carvings at each node.  Coincidence?  Maybe, maybe not.

Springfield,
From the looks of it (Native Americans were very literal)
You may have a reference to a giant or a race of giants.

There are a lot of Jesuit type signs here as well.
as well as Royal Spanish if Chuck's books are right.

LOL
Thom

Old Dog, you brought up something that is of interest to me, regarding a race of giants.  I am in a continuing search for information about the race of giants.  Some time ago I ran across some information about one or more very large human skeletons that were found buried in (I think ? ? ?) Antelope Canyon or Wash in Arizona.  I meant to get back to that article but I never could find it again.  From historical research that I have done, I know that of all the native American tribes that the early explorerers met, the Yuma tribe had very large people for that time.  Both Father Kino (Jesuit) and Lt. Mateo Manje recorded their observations of the Yuma people, also known as "Yum-yum" by other tribes at that time.  However, even though a unknown number of Yumas were somewhere in the 6-footer class, the giants that I have been working to identify were somewhere in the 7-footer class.

Does anyone have any info they can pass along to me?  Poncho33

Hey, Poncho33!!

If you get on to YouTube.com, and Search Race of Giants or Giant Skeletons you will find something there. TD

Thom and Mike, I followed a map and found the Ark of the covenant in Central Utah. I went to lunch and couldn't find it again due to mystical sources. Do you want to buy my book on the subject? Actually the book is only rumored to exist, but I will gladly take paypal for you payment.

That is a cool map on here with a lot going on, I just am not convinced it leads to treasure(beyond maybe water?). Too many symbols that have come from different people and times and even a forensics expert would have a hard time figuring out time frames in their individual creations to truly "solve" it. Native Americans and spanish have similar symbols in many cases, and when they are together on the same rock it can be really confusing. It is still fun to ponder and dream about, isn't it???

Hey Doc, wots a hoyo? max

Tesoro Dog:  Thanks a lot for the tip.  I'll take a look at You Tube.  I have personally spoken with serveral ritired University history professors here in Arizona, and they don't know anything about the subject.  Which -- I find "interesting".  Cheers, Poncho33

Poncho33,

I have found that in a lot of cases, if the history you uncover goes against the "Columbus discovers the new world  as written in the books" type history as you learned in school. the people who run the system,,, IE teachers and historians of note will do everything in their power to shut you down.They will call you names and do everything they can to discredit you. then they will make sure your notes, photos, and other info on the subject is lost or contraband. Including your research sites, these too will be off limits... to every one.

Thom

Well it's been 3 days since rangler was offered a challenge by Springfield regarding his map pic.  I see rangler had it all worked out and "accidently deleted his post".  Weird that..... but I suppose that could have happend.

For any creditability I'm waiting to see the results of his deciphering.  As I believe Old Dog and Springfield know enough of this map to tell if rangler is even close or just BSing.  If he had it figured out once it should take a few minutes to reconstruct his original post, no?  I dunno, just assuming.

Personally, I have no clue what any of the jibberish means and that is my alterior motive for this post.  Maybe I'll learn something here.....

rangler,
Here is one for you to decipher for me. It is 50' by 50' on each side, situated on the east face of a rugged canyon wall, at the extreme northern edge of Sycamore Canyon in Arizona.

Rangler, Thanks for starting this topic. It will be very helpful to some of us. Happy to see Olddog is here. 

VICTORIO
thanks for the kind words..I too am happy to see
Old Dog. here.he is a very wise and  level headed treasure
hunter and I have learned a lot from his posts.

I think that between the two of us we can offer
some great help to folks and their sites.

Hang in there...

rangler

"patience is a virtue"

I thought I would put my two bobs worth in on these glorified maps on rock which you are all swooning over. T/hunting since 1982 it has gradually come to my attention that all those "grafiti covered rocks"are exactly that " grafiti" to put you off the scent.

The Jesuits were much smarter than that. They mimed the shape of the rock to duplicate the area of the cache or caches. To pin point the exact position of the site, x amount of paces in  the direction of a cardinal point then by digging down about 3 inches you will know whether you have to keep probing to be directly over the cache.
I have never seen a photo on t/net of these grafiti loaded rocks full size which will give you a reading of the next step to recover the goodies.

The Jesuits were that clever they might have condescended in isolated cases of a tiny man maybe 2 or 3 inches tall almost completely lost among a host of assorted markers which if it turned right or to the west x amount of paces with shallow probing may give you the exact site. Almost exclusively the Jesuits never, never , never used anything but trees , coloured sand, contour shaped petroglyphs and certain bushes planted directly over the caches.  About 9 inch long ox bones partially buried, ancient felled trees with the perplexing problem of why spend hours laborously chopping it down and leaving it to rot doesnt make sense unless you dig down at one end of it  looking for the tiniest marble sized clue.  Occasionally someone asks what was charcoal meant to represent  buried at the base of a shaped rock or partially shaped figure of a boat. If you start looking for the unobvious you might not be so easily fooled . Such as why are piles of pointed rocks facing upwards on the side of a hill with some even having elaborite death traps. Also why are small piles of river stones in a small heap at the base of a hill where no stream ever flowed. Why are strange to the area ancient trees ranged in threes exactly 3 and a quarter paces apart. And why do these trees have small vees grafted onto them.

One shaped rock is telling you where to look whereon a thousand small wriggles on a rock are just that. Wriggles.  Hetty ( Dowser 501)

rangler,
Could you lend your expertise to the picture in Post #28?

Nice Aspen tree Bob,
Would you mind telling me at approximate altitude it is?
and what diameter it is?

The reason I ask is if the tree is located in an altitude of less than 6000 feet it may not be Spanish as Aspen seem to have a limited life span at lower altitudes. At the upper (higher) altitudes, aspen trees can be found that live up to and beyond 300 years. If higher than 6,000 feet this could be Spanish.

Thom

Rangler:  Springfield posted in number 6 a photograph for you to explain.  Old Dog posted in number 8 a negative version of the positive by Springfield that provides an enhanced view.  I, for one, am interested to learn your explanation for photo number 6.  What more is to be done to assist you?  As far as I have been able to determine from the rancorous discussion thus far, your original posting is not going anywhere  AND  this thread should be terminated.  Basically, reliable Old Dog has already handled stuff like this in a different thread that has not raised rancor and dissension.  Frankly, I am amazed that management of this site has not put a stop to this on-going sumo wrestling match.  Decorum, gentlemen, decorum.  Diplomatically speaking, you should consider how you protray American people to the rest of the world by this type of behavior.  I respectfully invite you, Rangler, to step up to the plate and play the ball game that you seemingly wished to play at the out set.  If this were a game of poker, I do believe that Springfield and Old Dog have called the game.  Rangler, I personally would like to learn if you have real cards to play, or if you bluffing.  I am open minded, have a mind attuned to science and logic.  Like roadway bandits of olde in merry old England said, "Stand and deliver !"  Please present your interpretation of the photo attached to number 6.  Poncho33

Thanks Bob,
No need to take a photo with a tape. At that altitude I have seen many that were as big as 3 feet.
You are just about 500 feet + or - from timberline and that is proof enough.

Hey , I for one would like to see the inscription above that old mine if you can get in to get one.
You have peaked my interest.

Thanks in advance,
Thom

Springfield,
Have you found anything of value by decyphering that rock map?

posters note: once again bob circled back and deleted his pics and comments
leaving gaps in the log and adding confusion when there was some clairity...
please people if you post your pics and comments leave them here for the record
and to help those who come after, it is only courteous and a tiny price to pay for
some much need help you needed it.....
( I will leave the post stand for now - for the data it contains so someone else may be helped)
Bob631
Thanks for the opportunity to be of service..

First off. the "M" is a double meaning like most of the Jesuits Markers..

It captures the image of the 'Mountain' with the peaks but it is translated
as " Travel ON" to the destination..Also

It is the 'Owl' sign in subtle form..so it is a Treasure Collection Room Sign or
 a vault.

The 'H' is the symbol for a tunnel , perhaps one that has a false ending..but is
camouflaged to look like the end -but break the false wall and viola. See the H as
being on its side and you see the concept of the tunnel and the blocked wall..

Also the H was a double meaning as all the Jesuits Signs do , so please keep
pushing for double and even triple meanings to squeeze all the data out of the signs.
In this case the H is the symbol for 'High Point'

So if the Mountain with the mine on it, IS the highest one around...then your got it..
but if it is not..then I believe they may want to the high point. where more signs
will be found..perhaps the Omega..this tree being the Alpha.


 Next your Square is a sort of confirmation of the Owl because the ☐ is the symbol of
of the vault as well..coming from the Arcane Symbol for 'earth' but the Jesuits twisted
it a little to mean 'buried in the earth'..seen this one at lots of sites..pretty classic stuff.

Now the  'R' in side the box well, my first impression was "oRo", or "or■" I have seen
this written both ways..fairly typical..that square is not blacked out in real life..it is out-lined
like the bigger one at the last paragraph..but it was out of scale for this purposes..

The 'R' is shaped just a little strange in that the leg of the R is slanted fairly steep
so I am thinking that the that the top part of the R is also a little round more like
an 'O' that being the case,,it is telling me that the 'O' part is to be used two times
once for the R and again for the O to compete the ORO...I have this exact mark
on a mountain top in Mexico Sierra Madres. In 60 foot high letters..by the way

Now the 4 marks at the bottom..well they are kinda vague they look like 'stars' or
diamonds..I believe that a diamond means about 2 miles..Correct me if I am wrong
I still don't have that Kenworthy book. So what ever that measurement turnes out to
be multiply obviously by 4 x 2 = 8.. I like the way that works out because as you
may know '8' is the symbol for treasure cache as well..so you get some confirmation
there..which is the Jesuits modus operandi - in all cases..

Oh and this is slight but non the less I have to mention it..in the case of double
meaning..the number 4,(ie the four diamonds) is an ancient symbol for
" upper left hand corner" represented more fully by the open topped four rather
than the one on our keyboards today..so they might be directing you to the left and
upper corner..as you are standing looking at the signs on the tree
if you think of the whole lay out as giant square..

So there you go Bob..

If this sign is near the gold mine you speak of..well my opinion is that this mark
stands for the Kings Fifth..and not the mine itself.. I think some mine signs would
have been evident if it was directions to the mine.. I think this is the vault for the
Kings Fifth..and the tunnel sign is ignored.unless the vault is a tunnel in the mountain
separate from the mine..as you get closer other signs will be seen..keep a sharp eye and
heads up...look for the Omega marker..turtles, animals, faces , you know..the stuff in all
those treasure books on your shelf.ha!

Now realize that the Kings men, could have taken this all ready and you may be lucky
to find only the empty hole..why lucky,,cause it means you just graduated..and now
you know how to find others and you will run in to one that was not recovered by
the Kings recovery crew.

Good luck Bob.. This is  my best assesment from this angle..
I hope  your pickup truck has
its azz dragging when you find this one.

rangler
Thanks again - it was very enjoyable to do what  came on this site to do..!!!

Springfield,
Have you found anything of value by decyphering that rock map?

djui5, no.  Lots of associations to other things, but nothing spendable.

djui5, no.  Lots of associations to other things, but nothing spendable.

So how would we know if anyone deciphered it correctly? I say we use some map that someone has actually found something with, then people can give their opinions and the person who decoded it can tell everyone if they are right or wrong. This could actually be really fun if we could keep the bickering out of it.

djui5, no.  Lots of associations to other things, but nothing spendable.

So how would we know if anyone deciphered it correctly? I say we use some map that someone has actually found something with, then people can give their opinions and the person who decoded it can tell everyone if they are right or wrong. This could actually be really fun if we could keep the bickering out of it.

The reverse-engineering idea is a great one, dj, but the problem is finding someone willing to come forward.

Whats your thoughts on this one. dsty

What state did you find that in? That is one great looking rock map. Got any better pictures? It's kinda hard to make out.

Springfield,
I'm sure someone will

Bob,
If it is backfilled There is usually a reason,
Like it wasn't worked out.
The Spanish used to ony cover or backfill a mine when there was more to get out.
If the mine was worked out they would leave the hole open and exposed.

Something to think about anyway.

Thom

Strangely enough about twenty years ago I was hiking the hills in the same area and found an entrance that was timbered up but only went back about twelve feet and stopped

Bob,
For the love of God, please, PLEASE do NOT go back into that tunnel without someone with you and WITHOUT KNOWING WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR! DO NOT DIG. You can die Bob, seriously. Tunnels are VERY dangerous and just because you found an "R" on a tree DOES NOT MEAN THERE IS TREASURE IN THE TUNNEL. You should always follow your instincts, and if at first you thought it was just a tunnel that was dug short, than that is probably what it is! Check the back end, if it looks like a wall of natural rock, LEAVE IT ALONE!

Miner49er ,

In post #28 ... what exactly are you asking about.
I can see something but the words escape me as to what it looks like.

can you show a picture with a little detail?
Thanks in advance.

Thom

 I posted some pics on the New Mexico site that has some of the symbols on post # 6 above.
 


              Odd that the same signs are used somewhere else if they are not universal signs

Old Dog

Rangler,
Am I missing something?

What are your ideas on that H.
I have heard lots of different ones and none involved the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)

I saw nothing Jesuit on that tree
Can you please fill me in?
Thanks in advance.

Thom

Would someone Please give the meaning of an " H " found at a site.

H sometimes represents a covered shaft.

Thanks Bob,
No need to take a photo with a tape. At that altitude I have seen many that were as big as 3 feet.
You are just about 500 feet + or - from timberline and that is proof enough.

Hey , I for one would like to see the inscription above that old mine if you can get in to get one.
You have peaked my interest.

Thanks in advance,
Thom

 Thank you Thom,

 I think most of the fun is documenting this stuff anyway and I would like a more accurate age myself and if showing the actual size helps date the tree I need to start doing it( I always assume the bigger around the older the tree but I'm not a tree expert ). If anyone wants the exact gps locations I am happy to give them to you if you send me an e-mail. I Too want a picture of that stone in the entry way of the costello's mine, it's pretty amazing something has survived  that long, it is an actual gold producing mine.

Bob,
I was able to get out with a buddy for a little while.
We went up on Columbine pass and caught one of those old aspens.
Here it is just as we found it.

Thom

plan on going up to treasure mountain above Ouray this weekend.

Beautiful country up there Lots of Gold mines too.

plan on going up to treasure mountain above Ouray this weekend.

Beautiful country up there Lots of Gold mines too.

Lived there in '74 and worked in a 2-man mine (me and the old man who owned it) above Ouray for awhile.  Don't remember Treasure Mountain though (except over by Wolf Creek Pass) - whereabouts is it?

Lived there in '74 and worked in a 2-man mine (me and the old man who owned it) above Ouray for awhile.  Don't remember Treasure Mountain though (except over by Wolf Creek Pass) - whereabouts is it?

Hell if I know, never heard of it either. I was referring to UOOGHray

Found this site though, maybe this is what Bob was referring to? Kinda far from Ouray though:

http://www.coloradovacation.com/history/treasuremtn.html

Old Dog

49er I have looked at this every possible way and can't make heads or tails with the info provided.
It is just a really wierd spot on a GE picture, with no context.
sorry.
I would have responded sooner but wanted to look at least once more.

Thom

I can't concentrate on it with that bug crawling around!   TD

I know what you mean Tesoro Dog. I have trouble concentrating in the field. Spend more time looking out for stinky Rattle snakes than on Markers." I hate snakes ". I do what old dog says. Take lots of pictures then go back and study them from HOME.

I can't concentrate on it with that bug crawling around!   TD

You must be talking to me eh TD 

 

You must be talking to me eh TD 

WHOA

Hey Mesa!!

Before I realized it, I went after it with a folded up newspaper!! HA! Great sign! No chips, no cracks, just a straight forward combo sign. Wish I new, what it means! All my signs seem to be blended in, and hard to make out. Victorio! Isn't it amazing, how pictures give you like another dimension, to see things in. We would never spot important things, if it were not for the camera.  TD

Mesa!!

Is that an anchor on that rock?  TD

TD,

I believe that is more of a Cross of Lorraine
Than it is an anchor.

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welcome to the forum , thanks for posting the nice pic.....
what are we looking at 2fishon?, I can see an elephant head but without a confirmation mark , I cant be sure any hoyos (holes) which you can see blue sky thru from the correct angle?

2fishon!!!

Can you see the Saint standing in the opening, looking up to Heaven? Center left. Pic # rock 2. Light colored robe, colored beard and hair, even has an ear. Plus many other fiqures.  Amazing!!     Thanks   TD

Sorry no confirmation marks. Thats a nasty hike after a really bad stream crossing. I'll try to get up there sometime soon. I do see the saint, never noticed that before. Diagonally down to the left from the turtle head, or whatever it is, is a face. I noticed it first. You can really see it at first light. It looks like a man's face with a helmet.

Hey 2fishon,

First let me say i do not have have much experience and even  less knowledge but i do  have a lot of enthusiasm! (That will carry us through right?) I've never found a mine or treasure so can only share what i am doing right now.

It is hard to say or see what is here. Generally I look for straight lines where most are curved, or vice versa. Then i just relax,take it all in,  and see if i get a sense, if overall the site seems to be pointing one way.  Then i check if the clearly natural rocks are pointing one way..or is it something else that gave that impression,

This one seems to generally be pointing to the right and down to me.

 So I've marked what has caught my eye..that i would want to check out a bit closer. The whole triple fletched  arrow area is interesting.

From afar looks like a V carved and or maybe something else. There seems to be a  white rock with
straight edge angle pointing to the right leaning up against it. Maybe with a dot on it..hard to tell.
On top of it may sit a smaller rock that could be of interest. Though from the picture it is hard to tell if it is on top, or simply behind it.

The other arrows point to things I would want a closer look at either because the shape is unusual, perhaps hard edges,  unlike surrounding rock formations or they seem like they might be possible pointers.

The larger rock on the left caught my eye because it seems to have a block of black rock fitted in, capped with more natural rock. It may even have a V shape built in with black rock. From this distance it looks like it might have three different and diverse kinds of rock that fit together on straight lines...almost as if it had been fitted together but that is speculative at this time because it is so far away.

 I've not seen natural formations of differing rocks so cleanly divided in that particular shape.  It may be completely natural.But it seems different that other rock formations.

 Plus..well i hesitate to mention this..but at the bottom of that rock is what might be a white arrow pointing down. Seems too obvious though for that to be real. A big black V and in case you miss that..a white arrow down below.

So wait till it cools down and take a closer look!  If your luck is like mine, it may all end up to be mostly natural..but it maybe not!


PS the orangish triple fletched arrow area reminds me of an owl looking back over its shoulder. The head rather flat flaced. There are lots of other interesting things that would me me want to check this site out closer. Like that serpentine  formation lower right with the flat face and rock debris by the face. And a lot of  other things. I guess i would crawl all over that site looking for marks.

There are three points that I would like to see closer.
The upper squares show what could be eyecatcher type pointers.
and the lower box could be a monument of a biblical nature.
Note that all the alleged figures in this alleged monument are all looking the same way.

Hi 2fishon,
 looks to me you have alot going on here.What really caught my eye looking from left to right.
There seems to be alot of small drawings on this rock , &  small "A". Looks to be a heart, drawing on rock looks to be another "A" could also be an "N" there as well. White washed rock with what looks to be two XX's
far right looks to be the #4 possible the #9,, What is really cool is the white cross @ the top of the page.
Treasurehntr,,,

The first thing that caught my attention when I was hiking up this canyon was the area I circled. It looked so much like a human face it was amazing. It's not as clear in this picture, which was taken a couple of hours later in the morning. At first light, and a little further down the canyon this looks like a man with a helmet on.

Now that's funny

hehehe.. cute!

maybe they show evolution

It doesn'tlook like much was moved,

They just shaped what was already there.

What do you guys make of this panel. It's in Utah.

Those carvings, similar if not identical to other carvings found in at least couple dozen widespread locations near 'treasure sites' across the West, are popularly attributed to the 'KGC'.  Interpretations unknown.  Here's an example of carvings found near Silver City, NM.

Wow this stuff is amazing!!

Thom said..albeit a while ago.....
"Rangler,
Am I missing something?

What are your ideas on that H.
I have heard lots of different ones and none involved the Society of Jesus (Jesuits)

I saw nothing Jesuit on that tree
Can you please fill me in?
Thanks in advance."



It is all Jesuits Thom..always has been..although I admit it was not divulged before
Kenworthy and others but the truth is out..The higher educated Jesuits are the ONLY
ones who could have written this code..and help it secret for over 300 years!

Even on expeditions that were lead my the conquistadors..it was the Jesuits priests
who where in charge of the 'brain trust' and the Code Book and its uses. The Spanish
Army was the security force and the grunt work..until they could capture slaves and
work them to death.The Jesuits did rail against this and later got it changed..to what
was called the 'mita' system.. or 'service' they even earned very small amounts of gold.

To this day..in the Spanish language the word mita..is said when one want another person
to look or to pay attention to something..they say...."Mita..donde is los banos?"

It all Jesuits all the time, when it comes to Spanish Treasure Codes.
rangler

ps
One thing I missed pointing out on bob631's. aspen Omega carving, which I didnt see
until later viewings..was the horse images craved in the wood, once the bark was taken
off..two horses in fact..perfectly executed and beautiful example of the Jesuits and
their craft.

What happened to Snoopy? Where did he Go .   

Never Mine Rangler .Snoopy is on the other Topic " Basic Spanish signs and symbols you have found "  I thought someone had DELETED it. I'm talking about the white / Black dogs.

Got confused

My Mistake 



Both are excellent Topics. Thanks to you and Olddog. 

I finally hiked the hillside pictured in #55. I haven't been this sore in a long time. It's a two mile hike to the spot where the picture was taken. We had to go another half mile to find a place to cross the creek and get on the same side as the hillside. It took us an hour and a half to work our way up to the elevation above the lizard looking rock . We spent another two hours checking out all the rock formations.  We didn't find a single thing that led us to believe that any of it was man made. Pretty cool though. One more place crossed off the list. The only problem was I must have bumped the camera and turned it on. When I took it out it was on and the batteries were dead. Thats the first time I haven't had extras with me.

Fishon
That is why we call it treasure hunting not treasure finding..lol..I appreciate yourefforts but you
know that if you could not rule this one out.it would bug you for a long time..so you did the right thing and hey..not many treasure hunters I know need a gym membership!!
Keep on keeping on// Thanks for tieing this oneoff for us..and  closing it out/
my cam did that  to many times and the last one Ibought has an auto shut off after one minute of non use
rangler

hey friend, ,,

i've been on my site for the last week and i tried to used the dowsing technique,  upon this method i found out that every where i tried to dowsed on every sign the east direction of  90 & 120 degree of the compass usually pointing the rod.. it is pointing beyond a river side in which a high slope of hill is located

[go to(A) the final step(F) by going the opposite(E) the arrow 100 varas* for the final spot.]

Kidd
Am I to assume that the blueprint type drawing is the sign on the rock reproduced?

Overall at first glance, this is an Omega monument.
I would look all around that boulder for confirmation..a hoyo..animal head ect
I cant see the compass heading, can you tell me where north is?
The final layout is the Triangle of course.
The top of the Triangle is Number 3, should be the Northern most one
The tip with the Arrow is number 1, arrow indicates this direction
The Northwesterly tip is the number 2
Next you must locate this triangle on the ground.
Half buried rocks most likely..
Next you need to locate where in the triangle the goods are buried.

The 'AM' usually always the A means 'go to'
The 'M' usually is the OWL and the 'travel on' sign( it can  mean 1000 or mineral)
The EFC is a mystery to me..I have never seen this config before
but if we break it down to the components..we get....
'E' usually means 'change direction' the 'F' means 'final directions' the 'C' is '100

If the A is touching the F (or that leg of the A is longer than the other one..
..(look close )
it would say go to(A)  the  final step(F) by going  the opposite(E) the arrow 100 varas* for the final spot.
* obviously you know to try feet, yards, rods,chains, ect to find the last spot..it might  NOT be on the surface,,but it should be just a few feet down a heart rock or something similar. You might even find a miniature rock map..at the final spot..giving you more info.Look at each spot very very carefull, at the feet,yard,vara (use 33 inches) take photos of each spot..you  might even find a half buried rock or a small rock on the surface..slow down look very carefully photo everything..before you dig

This is what I would do if it was my site..
hope this help a bit

auriferiously
rangler


"When you get to the end of your rope, tie a knot and hang on."........old cowboy saying

Rangler, Sir these partially buried Rocks in the last steps that form the Triangle. What would be the average diameter of the Triangle. In other words sir,what is the Average size of these triangles made up of partially buried rocks.

Hi Victorio
On the last geometric layout...each site is different..it has to conform to the physical geography.
They are not always triangles, they can be squares, like the last  on I worked on.Where huge stand
alone boulders marked the corners..each of these boulders were carved into shapes. subtle but there.
They were only about a quarter buried..Dign states his experience has shown half buried..if I am not
miss quoting him, Dign if you out there , please correct us if we are wrong. Thanks

The Omega will tell you what this shape will be, as well as Distance and Direction.
Take lots of pics at the Omega, with your back to the sun, at high noon, use a 5 megapixel
camera, so you can blow up or zoom in on the rocks on your pc..you want to crawl all over
those boulder pics like an ant or a pio lol..
good luck victorio
pio rangler

"If you work for the man, ride for his brand."

Wow this is a great thread. i enjoyed reading it maybe u can help me with some of my signs. please take a look at these two from one of my sites.

Hello Creol Girl,
Thanks for the complement!
AS far as you signs, wow they are way different than Kidds.
My first impression is Pirate era - I dont know when domino.s were invented
but it looks to me like Chinese in the 12-13th Century.
The Jesuits would never use Domino for treasure signs was all forms
of gambling, like gold mining, was outlawed..and domino came from the design
of gambling dice.
So the Pirate flavor is palatable. The six and the two obviously equals 8
the Spanish Code for a treasure cache IS the number 8 so far so good.
The is congruent and logical so far. The fact that it is broken up into two
increments is interesting.Again the Jesuits would never use a 6 in a true
treasure sign as it is 'unholy'- but nothing was unholy to a Pirate.
Since they did break the number 8 up into two parts it tells me you must
use each of these parts to get to the goodies. It might be a simple matter
of stepping off 6 increments, then turning an stepping off 2 more!

The Pipe is another new one for me..in natural science based code like the
Jesuits used,, you look at the attributes of the animal they are depicting for
the clue to the meaning of the sign..OOPS did I just let the cat out of the bag?
I will be tied to the missen mast and whipped severely when I get back to the
ship tonight i suspect!
Anyway the attibutes of a  pipe I just cant figure right now..except it might mean
a place to sit, in the shade, with a veiw..a spot for rest or reflection.hmm..
The Moon however is a universal sign..used by many , usually slightly different
if you look at it by cultures..but for the Spanish..it  meant Silver! Even a direct
sign saying "dig under"..but I would look for confirmation before you start digging
under every rock in the county.
And finally the odd squarish shape above the Moon..looks vaugely like an "unequalateral
rectangle" quite possibly a Golden Geometry shape used in the final lay out of the Omega
site.
So lets see what we got here..{Possible an Omega spot..not sure cause I see only the signs
out of context/ are these signs all grouped in one spot..or spread out like bread crumbs on
the trail?
IF it is an Omega and I must repeat IF (it is like diagnosing high blood pressure from long distance)
but if you put the cup on and pump it up and tell me what the numbers are...it is easy!! lol

If it is the Omega, then it may be saying:

 Go to the relaxing spot.Or a spot with a view..close to the sign Look for the marks that lay out an
 unequilateral rectangle, using rocks, trees
combo of both , carvings on rocks..(most likely) AND the corner on the rectangle nearest to the Moon
is the dig spot...but wait up there Creol dudette...most likely more info will be on the rocks, you need to know the
Direction of the 6 measurements and the way to turn for the next 2.If that is what they are for........

Now what type of measurements are we talking about? Well for Pirates they had some favorites..
One was the PACE..taking large Pirate type steps..BUT I said Pace NOT step..are you still with me
Girly Girl..I am sure you are...a PACE is two steps! Meaning take the first giant step that is half of
it the take ONE more step..STOP. Picture it? That is a PACE!
This paradoxically works out to be a BRAZA which is 5'9" One of the King of Spain's micromanaged rules!
This is probable how deep you will have to dig as well. The moon says it is  silver done there..

Just so you don't think this is TOO easy..remember this..IT could be GONE. The Pirates did not pay the
Kings Fifth, that is why they call them Pirates lol...they buried this for them to come back and get! If not
one of their brothers. Even if it is gone,, it will be an adventure solving the puzzle and on some night
when the moon is just like the one in the sign..you pack a couple of shovels, your best friend, and a pint
of Rum to keep the Spirits busy while you dig for the goodies..Good Luck Have Fun and just send me an
email that just says the type of Rum you bought and I will know the rest was all good!

On a serious note, the above represents deductive reasoning and 20 years experience chasing the Jesuits
and their stone 'bread crumbs' I have never chased the Pirates, except for the ones from the Caribbean,and
that was just to blockbuster for the dvd..lol. My advise is worth what you paid for it..which is nothing..but
it is exactly what I would do with those signs if I saw them first!!

If you can give me more pictures and data, I can give you more information!
auriferiously
rangler

"Timing has a lot to do with the outcome of a rain dance."

Bob said....
I found this while out hiking the other day kind of weathered bad but still usable I think, What do you make of it rangler?

posters note: bob strikes again and thoughtlessly deletes his pics...making this reponse out of context..

 Awesome pic Bob..I can't believe it!! IT looks like a Salvador Dali painting! Really one of the best hoyo's I have ever seen..except for the 'puppy' hoyo you posted a few weeks ago.

Well the heart shape is still there..but it has a Butterfly image superimposed over the top, very unique, never saw this before..but the Equilateral Rectangle is also a thing of beauty.. without that perfectly proportioned rectangle I would dismiss this as natural. The confirmation IS the hoyo but the perfect sides confirm the hoyo as well.

The other thing that was very exciting to see was the boulder on the near ridge line behind the heart hoyo
rock , it has a classic notch in the center, made for you to line up the hoyo..the division of the hoyo..to line that up with the notch..then hike to the notch and sight down over the hill to the next sign further down the trail.
It is usually a square that that signifies a vault..but because of there predilection to use one sign for double
meaning..I think this means vault and the final geometry at the lay out.

Be sure to photo close ups of this rock..look for the usual suspects, letter, numbers, faces, ect. And in case
you don't know the drill by now..take pics at  High Noon with your back to the sun..5 megs or better so you
can blow them up big time...ok ok I know you got it..sorry..I am a broken record sometimes..but that is the
life of a instructor.

Let us know what you see..thanks again for posting that great pic.
rangler

"when I look out my window , what do you think I see,,when I look in my window
..so many people to be..must be the season of the witch".......Donovan 1966

Kidd
Your diagnosis is going to take longer that the rest..it is pretty complicated and you
are very deep inside the site..up to your assets in alligators haha

Right off the bat that template you found is right on with what I have learned about the
Jesuit/Spanish type sites that the template were drawn out long before the Jesuits left
for the new world, so I can confirm that piece of data for you..it also explains the comlicated
layout at the Omega sites..

By the way that drawing on the spot where the feather 'flight' or fletching would be..that part that
looks like the Kings Crown..well that is the Jesuit Sign for "Metallica" no not the hard rockers but the
roughly smelted gold ore..still mixed with the Silver and copper, ect..the first smelting of the raw
ore into  more easily transportable bars. I have found that sign a few times , once in a beautiful Sun
Sign on a boulder. I did notice however that the rock carving did not follow the template in this case
so maybe they buried finished goods, like you are suspecting Sinclair of doing..He certainly would not
be bringing crude Metallica back across the Ocean, So we do have an idea that does pass the logic
test..
More later Kidd it was a hard day at the office..haha..thanks for the questions everyone,,and Kidd
I will post  more later on about your site..but it is complex..could you perhaps provide a diagram
if that is not revealing too much..it is kind of confusing just where everything is..as you describe it..

Oh and a tid bit here before I go..that last pic of the obviously quarried limestone..it was done very early
with drills and pegs..using the natural cleavage of the stone to spit it. No explosives, no black powder.
It some cases they used water and let it freeze and split the rock, but in this case, the holes were not big
enough for water so pegs would have done it..guessing  1700's does this fit with your time line?
auriferiously
rangler

"Keep skunks, lawyers,naysayers,pessimists,critics and bankers at a distance"...old cowboy

Bob
Your a savvy guy..lol..using it for a screen saver is a done deal, the book very far down the trail,
To write a book may take more commitment than this single traveling guy can muster but hey
I might want something to do when I am old and gray  and not worth much else..it may take
a life time to write that last chapter!!!
(edit note: Bob came back and deleted his posts and pics - making this reply superfluous
and kinda out of context, I will leave it here for awhile for what good folks may get from the information)
As far as your pic of the cube..man you have some good spots to hike to..you need to get on with
working your stuff out..get the Alpha identified,  follow to the Omega, get your final geomentry
and write you own damn last chapter!!!

The cube, yes but I like more is the DOG, the Black Shadow dog..the Guardian of the Cache
Look for the White Dog..plot your site on a zoomed in topo..better yet go online and find
an interactive topo..so  you can plot by gps instantly..find the pattern..then take two m&m's
and call me in the morning..lol

Besides being a Square, the Cube has an additional meaning..But what I like most of all is the
Mushroom in the background of your Cube..it is CONFIRMATION of the Square..I will tell you
what that is later. IF you can show a pic without the 'mushroom' cropped out at the top..

This is good solid stuff Bob...you need to get organized focus on the best site and get busy
I will back you up on all symbols you need help with..for goodness sakes..take the next step
get some work done before the ground freezes and you have to sit all winter waiting for the
spring thaw...(editors final note: I guess helping him with decoding his signs, and
offering to back up with any more help he needed - still did not motivate him - to do
nothing more than delete posts and pics- that would have at least helped others,
 I guess greed and fear are hard to overcome for some types of folks..)
auriferiously
rangler

"Speak your mind, but ride a fast horse."

hmm i wonder why this was carved also.

Kidd
Are you anchoring the Seal of Solomon with drill holes in each rock?
If so then perhaps what you have is a miniature diagram of the Omega
final geometry lay out..that will have the diamentions that you posted in
your previous post

I saw this once before on a complicated Final Geometry in Texas, 20 years ago.
This is the model of what you are to look for..if you have diagrammed your site, ie
plotted it on a map or graph paper,,but like I tell everyone who understands, that
online interative topo maps are the ticket..it takes your gps way points and plotts
them exactly on your map..no guess work..when you plot each drill hole or monument
you will see the pattern start to emerge, way before you could down on the ground
at boot level.Plus with gps coordinates you will never lose an important spot on the ground

The reason you need gps and interactive maps and the Jesuits didn't was of course
they were hiding the goods which is 1000 times easier than finding  them.

The reason the Jesuits among others used the Seal of Solomon is that it hides things
on such a mirad of points and conversions that is it really a labyrinth that the ingenue
would get lost in and give up way before they could dig enough random holes. 

You have a very complex site and it will take up years of your time trying to figure it
out at ground level..get a birds eye view, with gps, way points, interactive topo..and get
to plotting your points of interest.

Usually the Alpha is the most northernly point..sometimes a place that is easily defensible.
The rest of the site should all lay generally south. Cardinal points are normally used. Some
groups favored certain compass bearings (degrees) 

 If you do indeed find  out that your have the Seal of Solomon as your final layout, let me
know because I have one I have worked on and I know one groups favorite spot!
auriferiously
rangler

" "I have vision, and the rest of the world wears bifocals." --   Butch Cassidy

Rangler, I have seen here on this site Somewhere,  where they have a row of rocks in a straight line. I think they call them snakes. I have a Photo But I'm having trouble posting it. Could you tell me what those rocks in a row mean, and how would I know which direction the snake is going.

i thought i encountered a snake which was actually a stone wall. on one end it had a very large boulder shaped like a snake head. i then realized that a portion was missing which was the middle section . the tail section was forked into two stone walls. then i soon realized this was not a snake at all. it is an arrow. just like one when it pierces a heart. the middle section is usually missing too.  . it points to a cave within 50 feet of its head. this is only my theory from what i have encountered. so it only points one way. food for thought.

Kidd,Victorio
good food for thought and you are thinking right in my opinion...
some say the snake is a danger sign...that may be as they  used one
sign to mean multiple things, but for me it has been a directional sign.
Usually the head is the pointer, or the arrow head in  the case of the
arrow, if no discernible head,then perhaps the larger rocks in the line
up are at the head...also look for shadows in the rocks that make up
the snake,I have seen rock walls built that do nothing , go no where
and were only apparently built to hide some very important shadows
in..ones that lead directly to the Omega Monument.
rangler

it leads to the chevron and the alpha/ omega stone's well it points to one of the two alpha /omega stones from what i see these two stones are each an alpha and an omega.

This map is in North West New Mexico approx 100 feet from a Spanish Trail that crossed northern New Mexico.

Any thoughts about what it might mean?

Wow, that's a real map!  Do you have any closer pictures of the markings on the top right?

Djui5,

Do you notice any similarities between this rock map and other well know stone maps?

Rochha

Djui5,

Do you notice any similarities between this rock map and other well know stone maps?

Rochha

So what are the similarities ?
give examples please.

many signs on many given maps are the same.
doesn't mean they aren't different.
What is the point of your comment?

I would like to see the Upper right hand corner as well
There may be a symbol I am not familiar with.

Thom

OLd Dog,

The stone maps I am referring to are the one's that I believe to be mislabeled. They are well known as the " Peralta Stones " . I beleive they should be called  " Jesuit Stone Maps ". If you have a photo of them take a close look at them, specifically the heart insert, and the other map rocks stacked on top of each other . You'll know what I am talking about then. I made that comment to Djui5 becasue I know he is familiar with those stones.

Interesting that the photo of this map rock is 100 feet from a spanish trail in Northern New Mexico. Who all traveled on that trail?

Rochha

Rochha ,

Not just my opinion but the opinion of many,
the Peralta stones were created just prior to, or just after the Civil War.
The LDM legend is as contemporary as the Stones and just as applicable.

This is just my opinion and is not disputable without documentation.
of which I have none.

Randy is familiar with these opinions.
Knowing that I have chased the LDM legend for many years...
He and I agree to disagree.

I see no similarities.

Thom

Old Dog,

Let me point out the similarities ( I think ) for you. Look at the bottom of the heart insert. See the line with dots ( the line actually continues from the bottom two stones that are stacked on top of each other and continues into the heart insert ). Now look at the map rock in question that was posted. See a similar line with dots, or on these particular stones circles. If you follow this link http://www.lostdutchmanmines.com/areaattractions.html you will be able to see what I am talking about a little better. To me they are similar.

If not………than I guess it’s just my opinion!

I don’t think the stones that you refer to that were made just prior to or after the civil war have anything to do with the LDM legend…again….just my opinion!

Respectfully,

Rochha

Djui5,

Do you notice any similarities between this rock map and other well know stone maps?

Rochha

That was the first thing I noticed 

You've been to this map site before?

Randy,

Nope..........never have. I noticed the similarities just as you did.

Hope you had a good Turkey day! I did.

Rochha

Great! We did too!!! It was one of the best years yet. Can't wait for Christmas 

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Treasure Hunters
I can't say when  the stones were carved,(Peraltra Stones) One thing I do know is was not 1847.
Any one with adequate treasure hunting experience and able to crack the basic
treasure codes, can quickly come to the correct conclusion that the stones are
real and authentic. To say otherwise to reveal that persons code reading ability!

I have not chased the Lost Dutchman,only in  passing - that is to say I have read
just about everything that was written about him, and I read ALL the posts at
http://lostdutchmanmine.com -
I have however chased the Jesuits for a couple of decades and I have worked on
the Stones, and they are exactly Jesuit in nature, signs and design.

In fact I have located the line with the circles in them - at least a portion of it.
I can confirm what someone said about the circles and the lines, 18 in total I
believe, they are caches, each with an alpha/omega markers at each circle on the ground

I found these because I stumbled upon a site where the Stones were  originally hidden.
I know this to be true because,  at this site, the map on the stones, comes into focus on
the ground.

Since nothing can legally be taken out of the Supers, not even a rock or twig, and punishing
amounts of paperwork, time and expense - precludes most from applying for the treasure
trove permits.. Only one (1) permit has ever been granted..see Ron Feldman at OK Corral and
his team called H.E.A.T. there is a website still up I believe.

At any rate, I use these markers as learning exercises and have photograped a couple of the 
Monuments associated with the circles and lines. It is fun, entertaining and a learning experience
and hey , it gets me in the Supers anytime the weather is right and I have the time.

Oh and as for the Lost Dutchman, well my research showed him to be a surveyor in Germany before
he came to the USA.,some modern surveyor marks are carry overs from some of the Spanish Treasure marks
and I think Old Jacob put two and two together and got four. He cracked a cache, and since it was so
well hidden, he left it there..only to visit when he needed cache (cash) lol and that is why he never
stayed very long in the supers.. certainly not long enough to mine anything. All  the rest are red herrings
purposely planted as false information to keep the real secret from getting out..OH well..so much for that!

auriferiously
rangler


O1 "How are the things of Esau searched out! how are his hidden things sought up!"..... Obadiah 1:6