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FIND OF MY LIFETIME!!! - UPDATE FROM LEADING EXPERT... (Read 11346 times)
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Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:15:23 AM
This type of coin has been on the top of my wish list for 25 years or more.  Now I have one.

It came from a pasture field which was hayed about a week ago.  I have had no other Celtic items other than this off this field.  Although we have noticed the soil is a good quality & less clay than the surrounding area.

This coin was most likely placed in the soil during a ritual to bless the land for good crops.

This coin was only 2inches deep (the field was ploughed about 10 years ago).

When I first dug it & I saw its edge, I thought 'wow a gold button!'.  When I realised what it was & showed Dad there was much shouting & arm waving, so much so the farmer & his wife came out to have a look Cheesy

Its a CELTIC GOLD STATER;

Ruler - CUNOBELIN

Minted about 20AD


Value - £500 ($1000)

To say I'm happy with this coin would be an understatement.

I am currently getting advice from the leading expert as it seems to be an unusual variant! (I will update later)

UPDATE (21/07/08)


This is what the Leading UK Expert said:

Congratulations! You must be delighted with this, and quite rightly so. I do like these wild type staters, partly because the horse looks so bizarre, and this is a good example of that.

As you say it’s VA 1933, of which there are 30 at
http://www.finds.org.uk/CCI/images-lister.php?&VA_type=1933.01
and another 45 at
http://www.finds.org.uk/CCI/images-lister.php?&VA_type=1933.03

I can’t remember offhand how VA separates these two varieties – something about the size of the little star on the reverse? I suspect this is not a very good way of separating them out, but no matter. I had a quick look for die-links, and there is at least one coin from the same pair of dies:

http://www.finds.org.uk/CCI/largeview.php?coin_num=97.1593

The obverse is quite recognizable because of the flaw on the second leaf up on the right, next to the M of CAMV. There’s another example of that obverse die here (which is listed as VA 1933.01, not 1933.03):

http://www.finds.org.uk/CCI/largeview.php?coin_num=67.0167

The reverse too is quite distinctive, with the ringed pellet very far over to the left below the horse. Again there may well be others from this die. In terms of date, Cunobelin’s wild type is usually placed somewhere in the middle of his reign, say c. 20 AD, so I guess your coin is coming up to its 2000th birthday!



THEREFORE ITS ONE OF ABOUT 76 RECORDED.

Quote from a leading dealer;
Retail; £550-600
He would buy for £400-450

Not that I would sell it, but I will give the farmer £200 to keep it.

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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:16:56 AM
CRUSADER! 

She's beautiful...

Congratulations! 

10 AD... Holy Moly...  Shocked

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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:20:13 AM
CRUSADER! 

She's beautiful...

Congratulations! 

10 AD... Holy Moly...  Shocked

Thanks its a dream come true!

This is the third gold coin in three years!

The season hasn't even started yet Cool

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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:26:05 AM
Woahow!. I Knew you would do it and i wont be surpriced if you turn up another goldie this year. Superduper coin Shocked
I dont know to much about theese gold staters. Are the solid gold or do they have a copper core?
Anyway Big congrats! thumbsup
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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:26:30 AM
BANNER!!!!!!!   icon_sunny

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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:27:43 AM
Woahow!. I Knew you would do it and i wont be surpriced if you turn up another goldie this year. Superduper coin Shocked
I dont know to much about theese gold staters. Are the solid gold or do they have a copper core?
Anyway Big congrats! thumbsup

This one is a solid Gold type.  (some types do have a copper core)

I have worked hard for this but it was worth every hour!

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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:30:03 AM
BANNER!!!!!!!   icon_sunny

Cheers, thats the quickest banner I have seen icon_sunny

It will take some beating.

Funny thing was abou 1.5 years ago I said to Kirtpa when he was saying go out & get a gold one.  I said its my 5 year plan to get one Wink Cheesy

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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:34:16 AM
Woahow!. I Knew you would do it and i wont be surpriced if you turn up another goldie this year. Superduper coin Shocked
I dont know to much about theese gold staters. Are the solid gold or do they have a copper core?
Anyway Big congrats! thumbsup

This one is a solid Gold type.  (some types do have a copper core)

I have worked hard for this but it was worth every hour!


Even sweeter then. You worked hard and it payed of as it should be.
Did you have any abstinens from not being on the banner Wink Well you got your dose now anyway Grin
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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:48:20 AM
Wow what a fine congrats


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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:48:26 AM
 thumbsup   A super find for a most deserving individual!  Congrats and I know you must be on cloud nine to get one of your dream finds, and most likely when you least suspect it.

Nothing like finding a solid gold coin that is only 2000 years old, LOL,  I guess now we can hope you find a second one of a different variant.  

I did see one very similar to your coin on the Colchester site!   Again, congrats and may your 4th gold coin come this year also....

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/C/celticgoldcoins.htm

Don

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 For undug coins this is true.  For dug coins this is untrue.
 The value will increase with judicious cleaning."
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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:53:30 AM
thumbsup   A super find for a most deserving individual!  Congrats and I know you must be on cloud nine to get one of your dream finds, and most likely when you least suspect it.

Nothing like finding a solid gold coin that is only 2000 years old, LOL,  I guess now we can hope you find a second one of a different variant.   

I did see one very similar to your coin on the Colchester site!   Again, congrats and may your 4th gold coin come this year also....

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/C/celticgoldcoins.htm

Don

It was definately when I least expected it Cheesy

I would now like a Gold Roman Coin

The ones on Colchester are similar but not quite the same.  Mine has 2or3 dots above the M, & on the other side a dot above the O.

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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:54:31 AM
Holy crap, dude. Kudos  thumbsup

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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:56:23 AM
Holy crap, dude. Kudos  thumbsup

cheers my Scottish cousin Kiss

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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:59:11 AM
All I can say is WOW WOW WOW!   notworthy notworthy notworthy notworthy notworthy notworthy notworthy notworthy

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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 10:59:32 AM

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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:07:05 AM
That is sweet!
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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:10:16 AM
yes indeed its a beauty -- good job and way to go . banner type find
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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:12:42 AM
omg, BANNER  BANNER  BANNER... that is one absolutely beautiful coin Crusader,  I am so very happy for you.. BIG TIME CONGRATS thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup

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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:16:33 AM
I always read your posts, see the amount of work to sometimes find a scrappy Roman coin, or the time invested by you and your father to find a button or buckle and definitely worth all that time and effort to see one of those come out of the ground, and to have your dad there makes it even more special!!  Congrats on a well deserved Banner coin, but even more so congrats on finding a well deserved coin was rescued by such a hard working history hunter like you!!
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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:16:57 AM
amazing. congratulations
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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:20:50 AM
Wow, what a fantastic find Crusader,Congratulations!! This is surely a banner find! thumbsup

 wav

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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:21:32 AM
CRUSADER! What a wonderfull find  thumbsup I almost posted my wheat cent find for today.
But i think i'll pass on that one icon_scratch I think i'll just sit and wait for next post thumbsup
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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:30:29 AM


  Killer!!!!!!!!

  Did I happen to mention I have a couple more axes.  Cheesy
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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:32:52 AM
Crusader,

What an unbelievable start to your season.  thumbsup A couple of my buddies have been to Colchester twice, have detected day and on into the evening for 10 days straight, and couldn't get one of those Celtic golds.  Yet, another goes to Colchester on his first time, and found a Celtic gold.  You just never know.  You are definitely a very hard working and knowledgeable detectorist, and very deserving of that beautiful and very old gold coin.

Major congrats to you on your find of a lifetime!!
I wouldn't mind seeing another from you... Grin

HH,
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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:48:21 AM
Crusader,

What an unbelievable start to your season.  thumbsup A couple of my buddies have been to Colchester twice, have detected day and on into the evening for 10 days straight, and couldn't get one of those Celtic golds.  Yet, another goes to Colchester on his first time, and found a Celtic gold.  You just never know.  You are definitely a very hard working and knowledgeable detectorist, and very deserving of that beautiful and very old gold coin.

Major congrats to you on your find of a lifetime!!
I wouldn't mind seeing another from you... Grin

HH,
CAPTN SE
Dan


Thanks Captn SE.  I know what you mean about Colchester, I have seen some lucky US guys spend a week on the field & do better than me after 25 year! (Although it is a far richer area than where I go, most wouldn't bother with my land)


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  Killer!!!!!!!!

  Did I happen to mention I have a couple more axes.  Cheesy

Cheers, I'll pass on the axes Cheesy

I always read your posts, see the amount of work to sometimes find a scrappy Roman coin, or the time invested by you and your father to find a button or buckle and definitely worth all that time and effort to see one of those come out of the ground, and to have your dad there makes it even more special!!  Congrats on a well deserved Banner coin, but even more so congrats on finding a well deserved coin was rescued by such a hard working history hunter like you!!

Although I found it, without Dad along side I would never have covered as much land & therefore found it (he blanked today)  We are a good oiled metal digging machine Smiley  He was thinking at the time I got the coin ' I will be happy with a nice button today & lets move to another field'


TO EVERYONE ELSE - THANKS FOR THE CONGRATS ETC...  ITS NICE TO SHARE IT AS IT HAPPENS

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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Jul 19, 2008, 11:56:47 AM
Congrats my friend, your persistance and perserverance have paid off big time. Now your dad has to find one.

I thought I found one of those in Utah once, but it turned out to be a Chuck E Cheese token, oh well...

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