Largest Treasure in Caballo Mnts

We have been asked to take these test results down till we get the final results.

Thank you

We have been asked to take these test results down till we get the final results

Thank you

These were taken of the Mule Ears or Rabbit Ears in Long Bottom Canyon located in the Caballo Mountains, New Mexico. The main interest here is the hole that was dug by William H. White under the noses of the BLM. He has not even made an attempt to fill the hole back in and the BLM has done nothing to stop him from digging where he wants to dig.

This is the December 20th, 2009 Tesoro broadcast and covers the over staking of a active mining claim or is better known as claim jumping.   

I just wanted to butt in here and say that I am enjoying your broadcasts.
Keep up the good work! Sorry for all the trouble that is slowing down your progress.

If I ever get out your way, it would be an honor for me to pitch in and help any way I could, no charge, I just enjoy the adventure.
 
GG~

These pictures are of the TDA 6 site when the film crew, BLM and the downhole shooting and Zonge Engineering where running the test.

This is all four tests that have been done on the TDA 6 site in the Caballo Mountains in New Mexico. The 1995 and 1996 test shows that there was some very interesting anomalies. That is because the metal was not filtered out. In the preliminary results for the 2009 test which was the nanoTEM test and the CSMAT the metal appears to be filtered out. Which is making it appear as if there is nothing there. So far the preliminary results do not show the tunnels and caverns that we saw on the infrared camera.

OK Purchase---
Tell us who won the raffle. 

Or were YOU the only winner?

The winner was announced months ago and we have stated on more than one occassion the winner did not want their picture used or put up on the Internet.  We have also stated that if someone want to make the trip to California we would gladly introduce them to the winner.

The winner was announced months ago and we have stated on more than one occassion the winner did not want their picture used or put up on the Internet.  We have also stated that if someone want to make the trip to California we would gladly introduce them to the winner.

Quick question, Nick....

Which state did you apply for the raffle license from?

I really do not know what you are trying to prove.  If you are trying to say that something illegal is going on you are barking up the wrong tree.  We get audited every six months and we have to prove on how our funds are spent.  We are gone over with a fine tooth comb.  Can you say the same.

I really do not know what you are trying to prove.  If you are trying to say that something illegal is going on you are barking up the wrong tree.  We get audited every six months and we have to prove on how our funds are spent.  We are gone over with a fine tooth comb.  Can you say the same.

I asked a simple question:  Which state did you apply for the raffle license from?

When we checked with the State of California and our attorneys it was clearly stated to us that we did not need a license to have a raffle but we did if we held a lottery.  It may be different in your state.  I still do not know what you are trying to prove it looks like you are trying to make a case that we do not follow the law.  Before you point fingers at us be sure you have your facts right.  Laws are different in every state.  That is why we have attorneys.

Besides we have looked at every ticket receipt and we do and did not find your name on any ticket receipt.  So what is your point?

When we checked with the State of California and our attorneys it was clearly stated to us that we did not need a license to have a raffle but we did if we held a lottery.  It may be different in your state.  I still do not know what you are trying to prove it looks like you are trying to make a case that we do not follow the law.  Before you point fingers at us be sure you have your facts right.  Laws are different in every state.  That is why we have attorneys.

Er...a raffle is a lottery, by definition:   A raffle is a type of lottery in which prizes are awarded to people who pay for a chance to win.

Maybe by your definition .  But there is a distinct difference between a raffle and a lottery.  Church's, bowling leagues, etc run Raffles not lotteries.  The rules are different.  I don't see you complaining about the other winners that have received their items.  While I have emails from them they did not want their pictures on the Internet either.  It is all about privacy not about what you want to see.

A couple weeks ago I was about to buy over $100 worth of these "raffle" tickets to hand out to family members
for Christmas. But after reading the tesoro thread in the "treasure in the news" section I became suspicious when Nick(Purchase) wouldn't respond to questions or became defensive when questioned about the "raffle". I really wanted to buy some of these
because at the time only about 600 had been sold and I would have had good odds at winning. So, with hopes that this was a legit
"raffle" I contacted the New Mexico Gaming Control Board and they flat out told me "just by buying tickets for this I would be
participating in ILLEGAL internet gambling". They told me this is not a licensed raffle in the state of NM (where the drawing was held). They also recommended I contact the FBI/FCC cybercrimes division (which I have not done). So in my opinion this is a scam!

I can understand your concern but every church, bowling league and the like runs a raffle.  We have checked with our attorneys just to be sure.  We are doing nothing wrong or illegal.  We were trying to explain that because of privacy issues of the various winners we were not able to publish the pictures of the winners because they did not want their pictures published, we post the names of the winners several months ago.  A raffle is not a lottery.  We are not running a lottery and the laws are different that is for sure.  We are not soliciting anyone and it is voluntary and they are being sold through the store.  We have not had any complaints from the people that have won and they live in different States.  We have been very public and even had the drawing in Las Cruces, New Mexico.

We sent letters to everyone that has purchased a ticket and explained to them that we were extending the drawing until March 31, 2010 because 10 people had purchased tickets.  That 500 tickets had been sold and that the pool of ticket holders was not large enough.  We also asked them if they wanted a refund of their money and so far everyone has agreed to the extension to March 31, 2010.  We notified everyone by email as well.  We notified everyone that is on our newsletter list as well.  We have been totally above board.  If you want to find something wrong or believe that something is wrong you can believe what you want.  We do honor what they want.  If a winner does not want their picture posted on the Internet then we do not post it.  You might be different.  We have not changed any rules.  Since you do not have any tickets you did not get a letter or an email and since you are not on the email list you would not have gotten a letter either.  The necessary changes were made after everyone agreed to the change of the drawing date.

eh? Two different Dore bars, and two different raffles?

There were six bars total and there are tow bars in Texas.  The six bars are 32 lbs and the two in Texas are 90 lbs.  So that means out of the six bars there are 5 left.  I have made it perfectly clear that I do not own the bars they are owned by someone else and have been made available to us for the purposes of the raffle.  They were to be turned over to us when the original owner died.  It took this person sometime before he contacted us and this was the arrangement that was made.  I would have rather gotten the bars and refined them.  But again I am at someones whim.  I have stated that the bars are in B of A in Southern California.

I think this is where the problem is, Nick...

In the state of California, unless you are a non-profit (charity)....raffles for personal or business gain are illegal. There are also certain legal ramifications for selling raffle tickets online.

Now, because you are not a non-profit organization, it would be a waste of time to list the legal necessities, such as posting the rules of the raffle, the privacy clause(s) and other means of validation, such as the raffle license, etc that involves holding a raffle.

Where it really, really gets confusing is the first raffle drawing was held in July of 2009 (in a hotel parking lot), allegedly after 100,000 tickets were sold. This second raffle, which was supposed to end December 31, 2009 gets rolled back to March 2010 because only 500 tickets were sold. That's quite the leap of faith to assume you will sell an additional 99,500 in three months.

Now, you may be asking yourself...what the heck does SWR have to do with any of this. And the honest answer would be, I don't. I'm just a meddling TreasureNet member sticking his nose into other peoples business, for the sake of legal awareness.   

When we had the drawing in July there were only 5,000 tickets sold and 4,000 of them to one person.  The pool was something like 30 people.  There was no money made on the raffle and we were not trying to make any money on it.  But I would agree with you if we had not checked it out to make sure that it could be done.  There are raffles held on the Internet everyday and there are no laws broken.  We are not involved in Internet gambling and it is not considered Internet gambling.  We ran this by various State Attorney Generals and were told that we are not violating any State laws.  What most people do not know is that we are monitored by almost every State law enforcement agency and not counting the Feds.  So we do have to watch our steps and make sure that we do not break the law.  The State of New Mexico did come and see us and we answered their questions and showed them the tickets and the gave them a list of the winners.  We are not promoting for anyone to purchase a ticket.  If someone wants to they can but they do not have to if they chose not to.  I have purchased raffle tickets across State lines before and nothing more was made out of it.  Again I have made it perfectly clear if anyone wants their money back I will gladly refund it.

This is the first Broadcast of the New Year and we are going to be talking about the National Environmental Policy Act better known as the NEPA. This a very important and every person that is involved in Treasure hunting and Mining on Federal Lands should get a copy of this book from the BLM and read it.

Just so everyone can see the target is still there

This is a continuation of Chapter 1 of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). This first chapter of the (NEPA) is the ground work that the BLM has to go by. If you download the book from the BLM site you will really find out just messed up the system really is. If you do what is outlined in this book it can take upto one year to get a permit.

When we went over to the TDA 6 site it was to reset the mining claim stakes and to put the claim number on the steel door that is on the pipe. This is when we met Jim Kough and informed him that he was claim jumping on my claim and he was not a happy camper. I guess that Sonny Riggs had informed him that I was dying and may alread be dead. Needless to say he found out that I am very much alive and healthy. We asked him to take his lock off the door or I was going to cut it off which we did cut the lock off and put our own lock back on.

Nick in some of your other postings you claim that you have the mining rights and treasure trove rights to the claim.
You also said that the courts said you are doing nothing ilegal.
You say its the BLM who are tying your hands.

So you have a treasure located sometime ago.

The reason you have not retrieved it according to you is the BLM.

This has resulted in you leaving the gold in the ground for many years.

Since the law is on your side ( your own words) and you are doing nothing ilegal, why dont you just go get it out ? because even if the BLM confiscated the gold, since you are so sure they have no say and you are legal owner then the only difference between the situation you are in now and the one I propose is that the gold will be somewhere secure whilst the legalities are sorted out.
Not to mention the fact if you have 1000s of gold bars in safe custody there will be no shortage of people willing to hand over large sums of money in exchange for a return, so you can fight the BLM in court.

Right now with the baseball caps, jewelery and raffles you keep blogging it looks like the only thing being mined at TDA6 is people, and that just looks bad.

 
Gary

I would inclined to agree with you but I see that you do not understand what is going on.  I have been paying on the mining claim for almost 15 years.  I got a treasure trove permit from the Department of Interior sometime ago but the BLM in Las Cruces stated that they were not going to honor it.  It has been a constant battle with them plus the politics has not been right until now.  We have had to work our way through the legal system to get to the right end.  We have not been asking anyone to purchase anything through the store.  Besides the does not make any money.  We are not promoting it like we should.  It is there if someone want to get something from the store.  We decided to do things in an open manner becasue if you do something in the so called dark you will never get it back period.  There are a lot of treasure seized every year.  Because people did not do things the right way.

....Since the law is on your side ( your own words) and you are doing nothing ilegal, why dont you just go get it out ? ...

At least a guy can invest in a baseball cap or raffle ticket here.  Ever hear the Caballo Craftsman wrench story?

No I have not.

Most people do not even know how much money has been spent on this project.  At the last count close to four million dollars has been spent to keep this project on the up and up.  Most of the funds went to lawyers and politicians to keep the BLM in Las Cruces at bay.  But we are getting close.

There are a lot of treasure seized every year.  

Could you be a bit more specific? What kinds of treasure are you referring too, and what do you consider "a lot of treasure".

If these treasures are seized every year...there must have been hundreds of treasures   

We are not talking about private ownership which is a differernt can of worms.  There have been several treasures that have been seized on BLM lands.  The people were hit with digging without a permit as well as not having a treasure trove permit.  The property taken and not returned.  I get the stories all the time.  We get asked to help them get their stuff back.

We are not talking about private ownership which is a differernt can of worms.  There have been several treasures that have been seized on BLM lands.  The people were hit with digging without a permit as well as not having a treasure trove permit.  The property taken and not returned.  I get the stories all the time.  We get asked to help them get their stuff back.

I find this very interesting, Nick...that several treasures have been seized. Where can one follow up on this, to see what the treasures consisted of?

Hey Gang,
 I don't think the BLM ( or any agency )  would make it that easy. It sounds like someone would have been simply " fined ", material confiscated and let go. I doubt if the material has any paperwork along with it ( they don't want more THR's coming around ) at all. If you can trace it back, it would show that person A was fined and let go, it would also most likely not state the exact location.

PLL

One person had recovered some coins and some small dore bars from dark canyon in the caballos and he made the mistake and told someone that someone went to the authorities and the items were seized.  This is just one.

[The Caballo Craftsman Wrench]

The Caballo Craftsman Wrench
First, some background.  Back in the 1970's, there was much small-time mining activity occuring in the New Mexico mining districts.  One type of activity was to take advantage of the legitimate mining companies that were busy staking out large claim blocks in mineralized areas.  Small-time operators were able to make money by selling legal claims to the bigger companies by virtue of holding 'nuisance groups' in the midst of the companies' larger holdings.  A little courthouse research and some nimble claim staking could place a clever 'prospector' a step ahead of the big boys.  This was traditional straight forward opportunism, common practice in mining districts for generations.

An unusual twist in the 1970's US tax code offered a new type of opportunity for mining people.  Rich investors of all types found themselves with heavy tax obligations that could be offset by spending money in legitimate 'tax shelters'.  Bona fide investments in legal business ventures that lost money was an advantage to people who otherwise would be obliged to turn the money over to the government as income tax.  A popular speculative business loss to offset taxes was mining exploration/operation.  Many claim stakers, geologists, miners, equipment operators, etc. were hired to burn money in those days by engaging in above-board, legitimate speculative mining ventures which everyone assumed would never turn a profit.  Indeed, nobody made a profit, but a lot of money was spent creating jobs for the locals and these expenses offset a lot of taxes for the money guys.  They had fun, saved money and created real work.  A win-win deal.

One of the edgier 'investments' of the day was in treasure hunting scams.  The Caballo Mountains was crawling with shady characters looking for investors to finance treasure recovery expeditions.  After all, the Caballos were full of sealed caves full of Spanish gold bars, and those in the know were willing to sell shares in expensive recovery operations, as long as somebody was willing to foot the bill.  Some of the investors looked at the treasure hunts as a fun lark and an easy way to burn money.  Some were gullible and believed they would soon be fabulously wealthy - very soon.

One particular recovery operation was led by two of T or C's most notorious scammers, both now deceased, who (well-known to locals) shall remain unnamed.  The investment group was shown an old caved-in tunnel in the mountains, old maps, historical legends, scientific geotechnical reports, etc. and presented with a recovery plan that would cost lots of money.  The two in charge would be due very steep salaries and operating expenses, and the gold bars would be divided amoung all involved when recovered.  The contracts were signed, money was put up and the work began.

There was good progress at first clearing part of the tunnel and all were excited.  Then there were many lengthy delays, all the time the two scammers drawing their generous paychecks.  The investors were brought in routinely for progress meetings.  Things dragged on.  Lawyers were needed to burn red tape.  Equipment broke down and needed expensive repairs.  New geotech scans (expensive!) were ordered and the results were very encouraging.  Finally, after a couple years, there was a breakthrough.  A solid timbered plug was encountered in the tunnel - Spanish!  Behind the door may lie the riches of the world.  The investors were summoned to the site to be present for the big moment when the plug would be removed and all concerned could gaze, hopefully, on the stacks of gold bars.

The timbers came down and the scammers and their flock reverently entered the treasure chamber behind the big wooden door.  They cautiously advanced further down the tunnel with high expectations, but no gold bars were found - only another cave-in!  Damn!  Well, only one thing to do - spend more money to remove the newest cave-in and keep progressing.  As the disappointed investors turned to retrace their steps back towards the big wooden door and back out to the sunlight, one of them happened to shine his light off to the side near the cave-in and saw a metallic reflection!  Gold?!?  No, it was a big bright shiny Sears Craftsman adjustable wrench that must have slipped out of one of the scammers' tool belts after they faked the cave-in and before they built the big Spanish wooden door.  The wrench was inadvertently left on the wrong side of the big door!  Ooops!

This particular treasure hunt ended that day, but there have been plenty more since in the Caballos - it's a tradition there.

Thank you I had never heard that tale.

For those that have been following the information that we have posted concerning the National Environmental Policy Act as defined by the BLM should find these two figures very interesting because it not only effects mining but also treasure hunting on BLM lands.

This is the end of Chapter 1 of the NEPA. Again we can not stress enough that everyone that is in the mining and treasure hunting business on BLM land should get a copy of the NEPA.   

My thanks to all those who have sent me emails this past year                                                                                                   

  I must send my thanks to whoever sent me the one about cockroach eggs in
the glue on envelopes because I now have to use a wet towel with every
envelope that needs sealing.

  Also, I now have to scrub the top of every can I open for the same reason.

  I no longer have any savings because I gave it to a sick girl (Penny
Brown); who is about to die in the hospital for the 1,387,258th time.

  I no longer have any money at all, but that will change once I receive
the $15,000 that Bill Gates/Microsoft and AOL are sending me for
participating in their special e-mail program .....

  Or from the senior bank clerk in Nigeria who wants me to split $7
million with me for pretending to be a long lost relative of a  customer
who died intestate.

   I no longer use cancer-causing deodorants even though I smell like a
water buffalo on a hot day.

  Thanks to you, I have learned that my prayers only get answered if I
forward e-mail to seven of my friends and make a wish within five
minutes.

  Because of your concern I no longer drink Coca-Cola because it can
remove toilet stains.

  I no longer can buy petrol without taking a man along to watch the car
so a serial killer won't crawl in my back seat when I'm filling  up.

  I no longer go to shopping malls because someone will drug me with a
perfume sample and rob me.

  I no longer answer the phone because someone will ask me to dial a
number for which I will get a phone bill with calls to Jamaica, Uganda,
Singapore and Uzbekistan.

  Thanks to you, I can't use anyone's toilet but mine because a big brown
African spider is lurking under the seat to cause me instant death when
it bites my bum.

  And thanks to your great advice, I can't even pick up the $5.00 I found
dropped in the car park because it probably was placed there by a sex
molester waiting underneath my car to grab my leg.

  If you don't send this e-mail to at least 144,000 people in the next 70
minutes, a large dove with diarrhea will land on your head at 5:00pm
this afternoon and the fleas from 12 camels will infest your back,
causing you to grow a hairy hump.

  I know this will occur because it actually happened to a friend of my
next door neighbour's ex-mother-in-law's second husband's cousin's
beautician.

  By the way....a South American scientist after a lengthy study has
discovered that people with low IQ who have infrequent sexual activity
always read their e-mails with their hand on the mouse.

  Don't bother taking it off now, it's too late.

Happy  2010   !

Thought you could use a laugh but it does make a very good point

For those that have been following the continuing saga of the Threats that Richard Sanders was making against me through the emails.  We just received a phone call that Richard Sanders was arrested but the FBI yesterday.  We were told why he was arrested but we have not been given permission to give that information out.