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Reply To This Topic #100 Posted Oct 18, 2009, 07:00:56 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #101 Posted Oct 25, 2009, 10:25:14 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #102 Posted Oct 31, 2009, 06:51:02 AM |
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Nick is going to be out of town so the November 1, 2009 Tesoro Broadcast is being broadcast today October 31, 2009
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Reply To This Topic #103 Posted Nov 04, 2009, 10:53:09 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #104 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 08:17:35 AM |
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This is the verdict of the Clifford R. Tracy Trial that began on November 2, 2009. Clifford R. Tracy that was mining on Forestry lands without a plan of operation. This is the same as digging without a permit.
Minutes of Proceedings:Court Trial before Judge Owen M. Panner begun on 11/2/2009 as to Defendant Clifford R. Tracy. Government's exhibits 1 through 31 were received without objections. Exhibit 32 was withdrawn. Exhibits 33, 34, and 35 were received without objections. Government and Defendant each called witnesses who were sworn under oath and testified. The court found defendant guilty of Counts 1, 2, and 3 of the indictment and sentenced defendant to a one-year term of probation, with no fine. Counsel Present for Plaintiff: Neil Evans.Counsel Present for Defendant: Brian Butler.(Court Reporter Terry Thompson) (Hunt, Margaret) (Entered: 11/04/2009)
Nick
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Reply To This Topic #105 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 06:46:51 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #106 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 03:27:34 PM |
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NICK I HAVE BEEN KEEPING AN EYE ON YOUR PROGRESS WITH YOUR CLAIM . ARE YOU EVER GOING TO GET TO OPEN IT UP OR IS IT GOING TO KEEP GOING THE WAY THAT IT IS OR ARE YOU SURE THAT IT STILL EXISIST. AND THE GOVERMENT HASNT LAID CLAIM TO IT ALREADY.
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Reply To This Topic #107 Posted Nov 15, 2009, 06:49:46 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #108 Posted Nov 17, 2009, 10:18:12 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #109 Posted Nov 17, 2009, 10:52:35 PM |
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I think the govt. got it all and theres nothing left!
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Preserving Maritime History for Future Generations
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Reply To This Topic #110 Posted Nov 18, 2009, 06:25:31 AM |
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We are going to be in the Caballo's on December 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 2009 for the new set of tests being conducted by Zonge Engineering. On January 11th, 2010 we are have an aerial GPR test being over a 25 square mile area of the Caballos. So we will see if you are right. But from all indications it is still there.
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Reply To This Topic #111 Posted Nov 22, 2009, 07:43:20 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #112 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 06:04:28 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #113 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 06:32:23 AM |
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Has the video or pictures of the gold bar winner been posted yet?
Has the gold bar winner received the gold bar yet?
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The true value of the gold may be the story itself, a testament to man’s ability to believe anything for a chance at such a vast fortune.
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Reply To This Topic #114 Posted Dec 06, 2009, 06:54:27 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #115 Posted Dec 09, 2009, 05:58:10 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #116 Posted Dec 09, 2009, 07:49:07 AM |
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Thanks for sharing! Nice pictures. You certainly are a patient man. Your recovery efforts have been dragging on for a long time now, thanks to all the bureaucrats and red tape. Any indication when your trials and tribulations will end, so you can recover what is yours? I assume that you took a lot of pictures of the 'original' recovery bars, sure would like to see them. Thanks for the updates, I've been following them with interest. Will be exciting to see the 'final' recovery, hopefully soon. Keep up the good work. 'Oro'
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Reply To This Topic #117 Posted Dec 09, 2009, 09:33:02 AM |
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Has the video or pictures of the gold bar winner been posted yet?
Has the gold bar winner received the gold bar yet?
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Reply To This Topic #118 Posted Dec 09, 2009, 10:17:32 AM |
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Has the video or pictures of the gold bar winner been posted yet?
Has the gold bar winner received the gold bar yet?
Generally lotteries show the winner. (That's typically part of the deal, for promotional purposes) In this case I don't expect to see any gold bars or confirmation of any winner(s).
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Reply To This Topic #119 Posted Dec 10, 2009, 10:59:45 AM |
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We have been asked to take these test results down till we get the final results
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Reply To This Topic #120 Posted Dec 13, 2009, 07:19:38 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #121 Posted Dec 13, 2009, 12:20:30 PM |
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Has the video or pictures of the gold bar winner been posted yet?
Has the gold bar winner received the gold bar yet?
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Time will tell
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Reply To This Topic #122 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 03:30:31 AM |
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Ref: Superior Court of California, County of Kern, Bakersfield, Case No. BF 111830A- January 11, 2006.
People of the State of California(Plantiff) vs. Nicholas Victor Fleming (FBI. NO. 464567DA2) Defendant. Restitution order pursuant to penal code section 1202.4(F) payable to Donald Carter. In the Amount $30,000 plus interest.
Nick, When are you going to start paying this debt you owe me for investing in Tesoro Del Alma? You have been hiding your assets since this judgement. If those bars are real gold they belong to me-send them to me and we can get this settled. DC
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Reply To This Topic #123 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 06:26:06 AM |
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Mr Carter maybe you ought to tell the whole truth on what actually happened. You were in a contract and you voided the contract. You went to the Feds and they stated that there was no criminal acts committed. You found a district attorney that had a grudge against Mr. Fleming. In case you do not know it 6 months later everything was voided and your judgement was voided as well because the district attorney was proven to have a grudge against Mr. Fleming and that no criminal act was committed. You have been spreading all types of tales and have been trying to collect something that is uncollectable. It was only a grudge that a district attorney had for Mr. Fleming because he help someone win a milliion dollars from The Bakersfield Police Department and his office spent over a million dollars in fees that they had to payout just to defend the case. But you were the one that broke the contract not Mr. Fleming. We are sure that Mr. Brad Pugh who is the person that collected the money from the Bakersfield Police Department and was one of the witness's that testified in Mr. Fleming defense concerning the grudge against Mr. Fleming by the district attorney office that got the case overturned would attest to that. Again you have been trying to cause Mr. Fleming problems by trying to turn over an invalid judgement to three different collection agencies at one time which in itself is against the law.
Jacob Sanchez Attorney for Mr. Fleming
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Reply To This Topic #124 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 08:17:36 AM |
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Nonsense--This is all a matter of public record and it is not a voided contract for all those who want to check the publice record please do as to out come and crimes. Nickolas Victor Fleming Jr., 02/28/1948 nothing has been put aside http://www.co.kern.ca.us/courts/crimcal/crim_index_def.aspDefendant Information: Name: FLEMING, NICHOLAS VICTOR Birth Year: 1948 Case Information: Court Case #: BF111830A Filing Date: 09/22/05 Related Case #: None Arrest Date: 09/20/05 Bail Amount: NO BAIL Bail Status: N/A Bail Type: N/A Charges/Dispositions Count Type Code Section Charge Description Charge Disposition Disposition Date 001 F PC 664/653W ATTEMPTED FAILURE TO DISCLOSE SOUND RECORDING PLED NOLO CONTENDERE 01/11/06 002 F PC 653W>FEL FAILURE TO DISCLOSE SOUND RECORDING ORIGIN DISM - FURTH. OF JUSTICE 01/11/06 003 F PC 653W>FEL FAILURE TO DISCLOSE SOUND RECORDING ORIGIN DISM - FURTH. OF JUSTICE 01/11/06 004 F PC 653W>FEL FAILURE TO DISCLOSE SOUND RECORDING ORIGIN DISM - FURTH. OF JUSTICE 01/11/06 005 F PC 487(A) GRAND THEFT: PROPERTY PLED NOLO CONTENDERE 01/11/06 006 F PC 487(A) GRAND THEFT: PROPERTY DISM - FURTH. OF JUSTICE 01/11/06 007 F PC 350(A)(2) MANUFACTURE/SELL COUNTERFEIT REGISTERED MARK DISM - INSUFF. CAUSE 10/20/05 008 F PC 350(A)(2) MANUFACTURE/SELL COUNTERFEIT REGISTERED MARK DISM - INSUFF. CAUSE 10/20/05 009 F PC 350(A)(2) MANUFACTURE/SELL COUNTERFEIT REGISTERED MARK DISM - INSUFF. CAUSE 10/20/05 010 F PC 487(A) GRAND THEFT: PROPERTY HELD TO ANSWER 10/20/05 011 F PC 487(A) GRAND THEFT: PROPERTY HELD TO ANSWER 10/20/05 012 F PC 653W>FEL FAILURE TO DISCLOSE SOUND RECORDING ORIGIN DISM - INSUFF. CAUSE 10/20/05 Sentence Information JAIL/PRISON 1 YEARS 4 MONTHS, TOTAL CREDIT 0169 TIME SERVED 113 DAYS GOOD BEHAVR 56 DAYS, CONFINEMENT LOCATION WASCO STATE PRISON
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Reply To This Topic #125 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 08:35:04 AM |
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Again you are bordering very close to having fraud charges filed against you. It just goes to show that you are not aware of all the facts and that you lied to the FBI as well as to the District Attorney in Kern County. This is the only way that you have to get even. By the way the State of California posted that the judgement you hold is not valid. That is why no one is able to collect it. Do the Knights Temp. know that you are using their name.
Jacob Sanchez Attorney for Mr. Fleming.
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Reply To This Topic #126 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 08:51:18 AM |
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Don I have this to say the only thing that you are showing is that you are a complete idiot. You have been trying to collect something that is invalid. You voided the contract with me. The judgement you hold cannot even be collected. It is all water under the bridge. If you think that you have something on me that is current then bring it on. You were the one that was doing something illegal not me. The case it effect had nothing to do with you anyway you were just an excuse. There was no admission to guilt. The dvd charges were dropped because I have a license to do that type of work. The State of California has even put a type of stop on the judgement to keep it from being collected. There is nothing that I am doing that is illegal and everything is above board which is more than I can say for you. Are books are gone over with a fine tooth comb and so are our contracts. You need to get on with your life. If you presist you will be hearing from my attorneys and it will not be a warm fuzzy feeling when they get done.
Nick
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Reply To This Topic #127 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 10:06:22 AM |
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Hooey..... the truth will always out!
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Reply To This Topic #128 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 10:10:07 AM |
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That is a fact. Have a nice life. S.H.
Nick
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Reply To This Topic #129 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 05:08:09 PM |
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Wow. This is an interesting turn of events.
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Reply To This Topic #130 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 09:03:35 AM |
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We have been asked to take these test results down till we get the final results.
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Reply To This Topic #131 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 10:44:55 AM |
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Wow. This is an interesting turn of events.
Seems like lawyers and broken partnerships so often go hand in hand with treasure hunting.
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Reply To This Topic #132 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 11:23:07 AM |
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That is not true. There was no partnership. There was someone that tried to push harder than it was moving and then tried to take control by lying to the FBI and other people. They violated the contract and tried to make a criminal act out of something that was a civil matter. When you are in the treasure hunting business sometimes things do not go as you would plan them. Mel Fisher had a lot of LLC's that failed and the people that invested in them never got their money back. But Tesoro Del Alma does not owe anyone any money and there are no judgments against Tesoro Del Alma. It has been kept free and clear.
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Reply To This Topic #133 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 04:13:39 PM |
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Ok Chapter 2--enough sheep dip!
I hate thugs who threaten me, bully me, lie to me or cheat me, but I guess a thug is a thug is a thug!
Facts--You judge.
1. We had a written joint venture agreement and I have the first half of the stock certificates of 25,000,000 shares. The second part of the agreement and second 25,000,000 shares were never delivered (Fleming Broke the Contract and agreement with his failure to deliver part two). It is Fleming who lied and broke the agreement, not I. I have every piece of paperwork in my files. I asked within days of signing for a return of my money and to dissolve the Venture but ran into a vindictive arbitrary brick wall.
2. If one lies to the FBI it is a federal crime and one goes to jail-I am not in jail nor am I in any trouble with the Feds-all paperwork was sent to the FBI and they are the ones who ran with it and they are the ones who enlisted the local court. The charge is hooey and can't hold water.
3. 100 to 1 his atttorney is not a licensed Attorney at law otherwise he would know that it this was not a trial in Case BF111830A, but a Court administered agreement and Fleming Agreed to these charges and consequences in front of a judge. There is no way one can appeal this and it was not (I just double checked and spoke with the Court in Bakerfield, CA to check his story)-- I was told, today, by the District attorney G. Pulskamp the verdict stands and has not been overtuned or changed. So the story of over turned verdict does not hold up either.
4. The judgement is legal, is in force and is filed with the City of Bakerfield and will be in effect for another 7 years. then it will be renewed for another 10 years. Another bucket of sheep dip.
5. Flemings tactics are threats, name calling and nastiness, it has been the same from the beginning, as all can see. We could have skirted all of this unpleasantness if he was other than what he is.
I also understand there are other judgment(s) in the hundreds of thousands of dollars also filed against Mr. Fleming and there are also many bankruptcys.
I trusted Mr. Fleming and thought he was an upstanding buinessman. If he had any scruples or one iota of decency he would pay his debt to me. It is now my opinion that he is not trustworthy nor honest.
He owes me money but he is doing everything he can to not to pay his moral or legal obligations. Look at his tactics. If the venture was not working then a normal person dissolves it and negotiates/buys out the other and then they go separate ways but Fleming did not and has become a nasty advisary instead of a partner and reasonable buinessman. All over greed on his part.
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Reply To This Topic #134 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 04:26:37 PM |
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Wow. This is an interesting turn of events.
Seems like lawyers and broken partnerships so often go hand in hand with treasure hunting. Ya know...this latest development could account for the goofy characters in the videos and not an actual spokesperson
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Reply To This Topic #135 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 05:16:04 PM |
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Hey Yammy, the winner of the gold bar got nothing. And now we have an investor that got no shares. This is beginning to sound more and more like a scam.
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Reply To This Topic #136 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 06:44:54 PM |
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You know I am really glad that all of you seem to know more about what is going on than anyone else. Most of you really don't know what you are talking about. You try to create a problem when there really is not one.
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Reply To This Topic #137 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 07:02:41 PM |
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I will say this that there was an agreement that Mr. Carter broke not me. If there is a judgment all he could get if it were legal would be the amount of the judgment plus interest. But the State of California has stopped the judgment from being collected. There are certain things that to take place before a judgment can be enacted. 1. There has to be a asset hearing within one year. You can not go two or three years and then have an asset hearing. 2. All parties have to be present.
There was no hearing within the one year period. He has got a piece of paper that is not worth the time to roll it up and smoke it. The judgment is also no good outside the State of California. He voided out the contract by what he did which was to violate the terms of the contract. Now all he has is a worthless piece of paper.
That is all I am going to say about it. He could have waited but he chose to do what he did even though there was no crime, there was no admission of guilt on my part. Even the people here knew that it had nothing to do with Mr. Carter but was get even by the District Attorney for my part in getting the county to over $1 million dollars to Brad Pugh. It was more a politics thing. What Mr. Carter fails to tell everyone is that there is a reason that he has not been able to collect and is because the State of California has prevented it from being collected at all.
That is all I am going to say about it. There are no laws being broken so if any of you have anything that is current and not water under the bridge then bring it up or just mind your own business. Most of you are like old women and have nothing better to do than just hope that something is not real well good luck
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Reply To This Topic #138 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 07:58:03 AM |
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These were taken of the Mule Ears or Rabbit Ears in Long Bottom Canyon located in the Caballo Mountains, New Mexico. The main interest here is the hole that was dug by William H. White under the noses of the BLM. He has not even made an attempt to fill the hole back in and the BLM has done nothing to stop him from digging where he wants to dig. For those of you that want to believe the worst in every project I really do not care what you think about me. When it comes out you will all be onboard. Think what you like but there is one thing that you have to understand is that we are doing everything according to the law period and if you have a problem with that then you are part of a group that likes to things in secret and you will get caught.
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Reply To This Topic #139 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 08:28:02 AM |
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Mr. Fleming - Why are you avoiding/ignoring repeated requests regarding the 'raffle' of the 'dore' bar?  ? Why was it held in the back of a pickup truck in a motel parking lot? If the recipient wanted to remain anonymous, that's fine, but seems to me that if you wanted publicity you would have made arrangements to have the raffle in the lobby of the bank in El Paso, where the bars are supposed to be. In light of recent developments, sure makes one wonder...........hummmmmm?  ?
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Reply To This Topic #140 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 08:49:09 AM |
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The bar was in B of A in San Diego in another persons name which I am not at liberty to give out. We were in Las Cruces for other business so we had the drawing there. There is nothing sinester going on here. The new drawing is being handled a lot differently. We have been nothing but open concerning everything about Tesoro Del Alma. I have stated that I do not own the bars they belong to someone else.
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Reply To This Topic #141 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 10:18:29 AM |
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When it comes to things like this, being honest isn't enough. You must be SEEN to be being honest.
Making a draw for a lottery from the parking lot of a motel, not showing the actual bar, and having a secret winner does not instill confidence.
Replying with default 'I don't care what you think/believe' statements does not help.
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Reply To This Topic #142 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 10:26:13 AM |
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We announced the winner then we had to go get the bar . The bar was sent to be assayed. At no time did I ever have the bar in my possession. I still do not.
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Reply To This Topic #143 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 03:24:49 PM |
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OK, then if I understand from the posts on your website, you personally have been into the cavern/cave/niche or whatever and have 'seen' the 'dore' bars "stacked" like cords of wood. Why the 10+ years to recover, what has been legally claimed by you?  Why all the 'technical' soundings/surveys, delays, etc. Why not simply recover 'your' treasure?  Surely the govt is not requiring all these 'expensive' and time consuming tests, soundings and surveys, or are they?  Maybe I'm being to simplistic, but if it is 'rightfully' and 'legally' yours, then go get it. Then you could do away with all these expensive tests, website maintenance, feuds with others and fund raising efforts, on your site. Seems to me that you have complied with every requirement the 'bureaucrats' have levied you with. Or is there some other 'agenda', with all these rebuttals, feuds and geologic tests, etc?   ? Or do you just enjoy maintaining your very nice, elaborate website??? In the immortal words of Larry the Cable Guy.........."Git er Done"!!!!!!
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Reply To This Topic #144 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 08:16:05 PM |
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Part of the problem was politics. Part was the BLM. Part was because some people were trying to overstake the claim and a lot of time in court.
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Reply To This Topic #145 Posted Dec 20, 2009, 12:46:28 PM |
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We have been asked to take this off for the time being until we make some changes there were some people that did not want their pictures on the Internet.
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Reply To This Topic #146 Posted Dec 22, 2009, 07:10:11 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #147 Posted Dec 25, 2009, 09:56:38 AM |
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This is all four tests that have been done on the TDA 6 site in the Caballo Mountains in New Mexico. The 1995 and 1996 test shows that there was some very interesting anomalies. That is because the metal was not filtered out. In the preliminary results for the 2009 test which was the nanoTEM test and the CSMAT the metal appears to be filtered out. Which is making it appear as if there is nothing there. So far the preliminary results do not show the tunnels and caverns that we saw on the infrared camera.
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Reply To This Topic #148 Posted Dec 27, 2009, 06:58:56 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #149 Posted Dec 27, 2009, 07:03:09 AM |
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We announced the winner then we had to go get the bar . The bar was sent to be assayed. At no time did I ever have the bar in my possession. I still do not.
Does the person who purchased the raffle ticket, and allegedly "won" the gold bar have it?
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Reply To This Topic #150 Posted Dec 27, 2009, 07:57:21 AM |
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Yes they do
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Reply To This Topic #151 Posted Dec 27, 2009, 08:03:00 AM |
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You know SWR you want an answer and then you block the response. If you want an answer that some people do not want their known in public because they have other problems and you don't respect that then you need to reexamine what you do. You want an answer then unblock your mail
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Reply To This Topic #152 Posted Dec 27, 2009, 08:11:04 AM |
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You know SWR you want an answer and then you block the response. If you want an answer that some people do not want their known in public because they have other problems and you don't respect that then you need to reexamine what you do. You want an answer then unblock your mail
I've blocked my PMs because I asked the question in this thread....and the answer/response belongs in this thread. Not my mailbox. Secretly replying defeats the purpose of a public forum. The same forum/avenue you used to advertise the raffle, should be the same forum/avenue used to communicate the aftermath of the now alleged winner of such.
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Reply To This Topic #153 Posted Dec 27, 2009, 08:22:25 AM |
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The winner is not alleged. They are the ones that chose not to have their picture put up. I at least honored that request. I have a question for you if you had a winner and they did not want their picture put up on the Internet would you honor that request. The person that won purchased over 4,000 tickets. I have the tickets just to prove it. If you want to make the trip to California I would gladly show you the winner and have you meet them. I am truly amazed that you people make a mountain out of a mole hill. As I have stated before you can believe what you want I really do not care. Because I always have proof which more than I can say about some of you.
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Reply To This Topic #154 Posted Dec 31, 2009, 08:34:52 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #155 Posted Dec 31, 2009, 10:48:24 AM |
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I have a question for you if you had a winner and they did not want their picture put up on the Internet would you honor that request.
I would honor that request in the form of blurring out there face, or a thick black bar. The purpose of any congratulatory picture, in regards to any raffle, is to lend validation the raffle was A) on the up and up B) the prize was actually awarded to the ticket purchaser
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Reply To This Topic #156 Posted Dec 31, 2009, 11:01:25 AM |
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I believe that I stated that iif you wanted to make the trip to California I would introduce you to the winner you could also see the bar. I have asked to blur the picture and they said no. I have to take the last set of pictures down because the winner was in the pictures. It is not like we have to prove anything. I guess you do not understand that they do not want their picture of their face, body, etc on the Internet.
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Reply To This Topic #157 Posted Dec 31, 2009, 11:09:21 AM |
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I believe that I stated that iif you wanted to make the trip to California I would introduce you to the winner you could also see the bar. I have asked to blur the picture and they said no. I have to take the last set of pictures down because the winner was in the pictures. It is not like we have to prove anything. I guess you do not understand that they do not want their picture of their face, body, etc on the Internet.
In regards to a raffle, you most certainly do have to something to prove 
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Treasur hunting Baton Rouge La. 70769 Posts: 189
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Reply To This Topic #158 Posted Dec 31, 2009, 11:11:35 AM |
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Ok in a nut shell what is this all about? All I know as of yet is some holes were dug cours were involved gold was mentioned. Did someone locate some stash of gold? Tell me like I am 3 years old?
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Reply To This Topic #159 Posted Jan 02, 2010, 05:37:59 AM |
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Go to page one at the beginning of this thread and everything will be explained.
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Reply To This Topic #160 Posted Jan 03, 2010, 07:23:39 AM |
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This is the first Broadcast of the New Year and we are going to be talking about the National Environmental Policy Act better known as the NEPA. This a very important and every person that is involved in Treasure hunting and Mining on Federal Lands should get a copy of this book from the BLM and read it.
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Reply To This Topic #161 Posted Jan 07, 2010, 11:41:27 AM |
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Just so everyone can see the target is still there.
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Reply To This Topic #162 Posted Jan 07, 2010, 12:10:17 PM |
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Was there some concern that someone had removed it?
Tim
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Reply To This Topic #163 Posted Jan 07, 2010, 12:59:03 PM |
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There are always some rumors. Sonny Riggs was telling people that it had been removed and so had his friend Dick Moyle. When we talk with people the first question out of their mouth is How do you know it is still there?
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Reply To This Topic #164 Posted Jan 10, 2010, 06:58:35 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #165 Posted Jan 17, 2010, 07:31:51 AM |
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This is a continuation of Chapter 1 of the National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA). This first chapter of the (NEPA) is the ground work that the BLM has to go by. If you download the book from the BLM site you will really find out just messed up the system really is. If you do what is outlined in this book it can take upto one year to get a permit.
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Reply To This Topic #166 Posted Jan 17, 2010, 08:01:26 AM |
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Ladies & Gentlemen: fascinating, both for the substance and legalities.
Don Jose de La Mancha
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Reply To This Topic #167 Posted Jan 18, 2010, 10:37:52 AM |
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When we went over to the TDA 6 site it was to reset the mining claim stakes and to put the claim number on the steel door that is on the pipe. This is when we met Jim Kough and informed him that he was claim jumping on my claim and he was not a happy camper. I guess that Sonny Riggs had informed him that I was dying and may alread be dead. Needless to say he found out that I am very much alive and healthy. We asked him to take his lock off the door or I was going to cut it off which we did cut the lock off and put our own lock back on.
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Reply To This Topic #168 Posted Jan 20, 2010, 08:01:59 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #169 Posted Jan 20, 2010, 04:27:30 PM |
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A few things, Nick....
First off, your videos of various characters talking blows chunks. Second, Showing a picture of an alleged email, and gossiping about that person is ridiculous Third, your slate isn't all that clean...in regards to a for-profit business selling raffle tickets on the internet
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Reply To This Topic #170 Posted Jan 20, 2010, 05:49:03 PM |
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First it is the actual email. I bet that you don't get threating emails. I am not saying that I am lily white. But we don't solicit funds. The only way funds are raised is through the store. I don't throw stones at you. But when the person is connected with someone that ripped off a friend of mine for close to a million dollars and I gave them a hundred thousand dollars just to get ripped off then I can say something to prevent that from happening to someone else. The FBI and the sheriff in Roundup MT is very much aware of the threats and suggested that I post the email. Enough said.
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Reply To This Topic #171 Posted Jan 20, 2010, 06:27:01 PM |
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The avatars that we use our a whole lot better than looking at my face. Since we have started using the Avatars we have gotten a lot more peple to vist the Tesoro site. We get all kinds of email from people telling us how much they like the avatars and how much they learn from listening to them. You may not like them you don't have to watch them. Another thing we have people from the Sheriff's office here in Bakersfield, the State of California Department of Justice, The Department of Interior, The BLM, The FBI, NASA, Boeing Co., who have used information that has been posted on the Tesoro news section for their own purposes. You being where you are at do not have the problem of people just going to your site and digging holes and filling them back in.
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Reply To This Topic #172 Posted Jan 20, 2010, 07:10:32 PM |
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The avatars that we use our a whole lot better than looking at my face. Since we have started using the Avatars we have gotten a lot more peple to vist the Tesoro site. We get all kinds of email from people telling us how much they like the avatars and how much they learn from listening to them. You may not like them you don't have to watch them. Another thing we have people from the Sheriff's office here in Bakersfield, the State of California Department of Justice, The Department of Interior, The BLM, The FBI, NASA, Boeing Co., who have used information that has been posted on the Tesoro news section for their own purposes. You being where you are at do not have the problem of people just going to your site and digging holes and filling them back in.
Nick, the fact of the matter is you have gone way past "Treasure In The News" and simply using this forum to post gossip, possible slander, your illegal raffle and God knows what else. I stopped watching the goofy character videos.
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Reply To This Topic #174 Posted Jan 20, 2010, 09:24:50 PM |
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Interesting , to say the least ...... Is this the pot calling the kettle black ?
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Reply To This Topic #175 Posted Jan 20, 2010, 09:29:08 PM |
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...It turn out that the modus operandi of Jim Daniels is just wanted to get "lost jewelries leads... Sounds like Philippino English to me. I wonder if it's one of the Yamashi.ta dreamers.
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Reply To This Topic #176 Posted Jan 21, 2010, 01:58:54 AM |
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...It turn out that the modus operandi of Jim Daniels is just wanted to get "lost jewelries leads... Sounds like Philippino English to me. I wonder if it's one of the Yamashi.ta dreamers. Sure, it is one of the Yamashi.ta dreamers: 30 Mar 2008 @ 03:07 by Gboy @125.212.47.114 : The Crab Mentality YThunters... Greenapple, Am glad you visit these site....no matter how hard I will try my best to defend treasure hunting activities against foriegner or filipinos CRITICS, gives pros and cons about Yam TH, advise against costly TH mistakes and etc....however despite our best efforts there are still some PINOY CRAB MENTALITY YTH out there....I called them...just liabiity or dumi/tae sa pinoy treasure hunting community... BTW, do you know what I did to let our nemesis SWR stayed away and stop criticising and maligning us Filipino Treasure hunters in treasurenet?... I gave him his own medicine....I Change the battlefield from treasurenet forum into FLORIDA FORUM (to his own backyard, he,he,he)...since SWR had coin hunting business sa Florida...dun ako nagcounterattack sa Florida Forum...he,he,he...since he bully us in treasurenet, I counterattack and bully him in Florida forum...he,he,he tumigil sya kasi masisira coin hunting business refutation nya sa Florida eh...kaya tumahimik na siya sa treasurent at tinigilan na nya kababatikos ang Pinoy treasure hunters...Oks ba? http://ming.tv/flemming2.php/__show_article/_a000010-001030.htm
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Reply To This Topic #177 Posted Jan 21, 2010, 02:02:15 AM |
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So...posting a link to a free internet message board is your excuse for posting in "Treasure In The News" and using this forum to post gossip, possible slander, your illegal raffle and God knows what else? Don't try to blame your goofy character videos on me. Added later: That is basically the same thing you are doing, Nick. Taking a internet message board and posting accusations about others.
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Reply To This Topic #178 Posted Jan 21, 2010, 05:54:21 AM |
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There is a big difference especially when we have proof. We do everything in the open unlike some of you. This link was started by someone that I know and has to do with Tesoro Del Alma which by the way is a 501(c3) you do know what that is.
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Reply To This Topic #179 Posted Jan 21, 2010, 08:14:38 AM |
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For those that have been following the information that we have posted concerning the National Environmental Policy Act as defined by the BLM should find these two figures very interesting because it not only effects mining but also treasure hunting on BLM lands.
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Reply To This Topic #180 Posted Jan 21, 2010, 01:01:59 PM |
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There is a big difference especially when we have proof. We do everything in the open unlike some of you. This link was started by someone that I know and has to do with Tesoro Del Alma which by the way is a 501(c3) you do know what that is.
Sure. I know what a 501(c3) is. And from what you've posted, you (Tesoro Del Alma) are not a 501(c3), or that certification would be on your website. Fail.
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Reply To This Topic #181 Posted Jan 21, 2010, 01:12:18 PM |
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Well you are wrong again we do not have to post that we are a 501(c3). We are incorporated in several states as a 501(c3). We do not broadcast it. As our attorneys have attested to before we are a 501(c3). Since you do not really have anything to do with us except to slam us because you seem to slam anyone that does not agree with you, thats fine . But we do air both sides which more that I can say for you.
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Reply To This Topic #182 Posted Jan 24, 2010, 07:15:17 AM |
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This is the end of Chapter 1 of the NEPA. Again we can not stress enough that everyone that is in the mining and treasure hunting business on BLM land should get a copy of the NEPA.
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Reply To This Topic #183 Posted Jan 31, 2010, 07:03:04 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #184 Posted Jan 31, 2010, 06:07:37 PM |
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There is a big difference especially when we have proof. We do everything in the open unlike some of you. This link was started by someone that I know and has to do with Tesoro Del Alma which by the way is a 501(c3) you do know what that is.
Well you are wrong again we do not have to post that we are a 501(c3). We are incorporated in several states as a 501(c3). We do not broadcast it. As our attorneys have attested to before we are a 501(c3). Since you do not really have anything to do with us except to slam us because you seem to slam anyone that does not agree with you, thats fine . But we do air both sides which more that I can say for you.
purchase/Tesoro Del Alma, i tried to find your 501 (c)(3) listing, could not find it. are you registered under another name, i used the document file certificate of ownership which states co. name as Tesoro Del Alma. the reason i looked for your status for your 501 (c)(3), is because it is easy to verify. document file certificate of ownership from here http://www.tesoro-del-alma.com/docs.htmli looked for your 501 (c)(3) status here http://www.irs.gov/app/pub-78/and here http://www.taxexemptworld.com/search.asp?type=onwhat is a 501 (c) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/501(c) 501(c)(3) — Religious, Educational, Charitable, Scientific, Literary, Testing for Public Safety, to Foster National or International Amateur Sports Competition, or Prevention of Cruelty to Children or Animals Organizations
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Reply To This Topic #185 Posted Jan 31, 2010, 06:43:08 PM |
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We are incorporated in several different states and we always incorporate as a 501(c)(3) we have one ein number for all the corporations and it is a number that was given to us for being a 501(c)(3). When we incorporated we also clearly state that as a non profit corporation that we can own profit making corporations as well. I would have to check with our accountant to get the paperwork. We make below the reporting standard as well.
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Reply To This Topic #186 Posted Jan 31, 2010, 06:51:40 PM |
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We don't have investors and we don't have anyone making donations to us and we do not solicit them.
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Reply To This Topic #187 Posted Feb 01, 2010, 02:10:39 AM |
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We are incorporated in several different states and we always incorporate as a 501(c)(3) we have one ein number for all the corporations and it is a number that was given to us for being a 501(c)(3). When we incorporated we also clearly state that as a non profit corporation that we can own profit making corporations as well. I would have to check with our accountant to get the paperwork. We make below the reporting standard as well.
Nick...Nick...Nick....you keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. Mining, treasure hunting or anything of that nature does not qualify as a 501(c3)
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Reply To This Topic #188 Posted Feb 01, 2010, 06:06:56 AM |
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You have no idea on how the corporations were set up and what is being done with the proceeds or where they are going.
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Reply To This Topic #189 Posted Feb 01, 2010, 07:05:28 AM |
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I am really surprised at how many of you think that you are legal experts on incorporation's and charters and various ways that a corporation can be a 501(c)(3). I would think that you would be interested what the government is doing to prevent you from recovering anything you may find. Instead you seem to be concentrating on BS to try an create a problem that does not exist. I can see it now some of you are going to start claiming that you the TDA-6 site in the Caballo Mountains, New Mexico..
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Reply To This Topic #190 Posted Feb 01, 2010, 01:46:38 PM |
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Reply To This Topic #191 Posted Feb 03, 2010, 07:26:58 AM |
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My thanks to all those who have sent me emails this past year
I must send my thanks to whoever sent me the one about cockroach eggs in the glue on envelopes because I now have to use a wet towel with every envelope that needs sealing.
Also, I now have to scrub the top of every can I open for the same reason.
I no longer have any savings because I gave it to a sick girl (Penny Brown); who is about to die in the hospital for the 1,387,258th time.
I no longer have any money at all, but that will change once I receive the $15,000 that Bill Gates/Microsoft and AOL are sending me for participating in their special e-mail program .....
Or from the senior bank clerk in Nigeria who wants me to split $7 million with me for pretending to be a long lost relative of a customer who died intestate.
I no longer use cancer-causing deodorants even though I smell like a water buffalo on a hot day.
Thanks to you, I have learned that my prayers only get answered if I forward e-mail to seven of my friends and make a wish within five minutes.
Because of your concern I no longer drink Coca-Cola because it can remove toilet stains.
I no longer can buy petrol without taking a man along to watch the car so a serial killer won't crawl in my back seat when I'm filling up.
I no longer go to shopping malls because someone will drug me with a perfume sample and rob me.
I no longer answer the phone because someone will ask me to dial a number for which I will get a phone bill with calls to Jamaica, Uganda, Singapore and Uzbekistan.
Thanks to you, I can't use anyone's toilet but mine because a big brown African spider is lurking under the seat to cause me instant death when it bites my bum.
And thanks to your great advice, I can't even pick up the $5.00 I found dropped in the car park because it probably was placed there by a sex molester waiting underneath my car to grab my leg.
If you don't send this e-mail to at least 144,000 people in the next 70 minutes, a large dove with diarrhea will land on your head at 5:00pm this afternoon and the fleas from 12 camels will infest your back, causing you to grow a hairy hump.
I know this will occur because it actually happened to a friend of my next door neighbour's ex-mother-in-law's second husband's cousin's beautician.
By the way....a South American scientist after a lengthy study has discovered that people with low IQ who have infrequent sexual activity always read their e-mails with their hand on the mouse.
Don't bother taking it off now, it's too late.
Happy 2010 !
Thought you all could use a laugh but it does make a very good point
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Reply To This Topic #192 Posted Feb 03, 2010, 09:54:55 AM |
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For those that have been following the continuing saga of the Threats that Richard Sanders was making against me through the emails. We just received a phone call that Richard Sanders was arrested but the FBI yesterday. We were told why he was arrested but we have not been given permission to give that information out.
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Reply To This Topic #193 Posted Feb 03, 2010, 02:38:28 PM |
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For those that have been following the continuing saga of the Threats that Richard Sanders was making against me through the emails. We just received a phone call that Richard Sanders was arrested but the FBI yesterday. We were told why he was arrested but we have not been given permission to give that information out.
Could you validate this claim please? This gossiping Nancy BS is getting beyond ridiculous. TreasureNet is not a message board for spreading rumors. You should read the Terms of Use as well. DEFAMATION The purpose of this website is for the friendly exchange of information about metal detecting and treasure hunting. TreasureNet may not be used as a springboard to launch personal attacks of any kind. Use of words such idiot, moron, retarded, lunatic, --deleted--, and other defaming names or language may not be used here when naming or indicating individuals.
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Reply To This Topic #194 Posted Feb 03, 2010, 06:17:45 PM |
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Why do you want to talk with the FBI agent. There have been people that have been following the Gordon Walters, Donald Tangwall and Richard Sanders story that has to deal with some stolen ore that came from my mine site. It is for information purposes only. If I were you I would not talk about something you know nothing about.
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Reply To This Topic #195 Posted Feb 03, 2010, 10:31:51 PM |
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Exactly why would the FBI call you and tell you they arrested someone? I also highly doubt they'd tell you what he was being charged with.
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Reply To This Topic #196 Posted Feb 04, 2010, 02:31:56 AM |
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Nick do you have any links to news articles about this treasure ?  Gary
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You can't always get what you want, but if you try, sometimes you just might find, you get what you need- Mick Jagger
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Reply To This Topic #197 Posted Feb 04, 2010, 06:34:07 AM |
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First one of the people that works with us was standing there when the FBI arrested Richard B Sanders. I was also told that the 238 pages of emails that was sent to the Sheriff in Roundup, MT also gave the FBI copies of the emails that contained the threats and a lot of other information. There has been an investigation of the theft of 40 tons of ore that was done by people connected to this group. A lot of the paperwork came from me becasue it was my ore. This the arrest has happened there have been several people that have informed me of the arrest. It is a matter of public record.
Gary there have been a lot of articles written about this project Lost Treasure has written several. There is even a book coming out that has several interviews with people that even took bars out of this site during the years of Doc. Noss. We have a lot of original Spanish that have to deal with this site as well.
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Reply To This Topic #199 Posted Feb 07, 2010, 07:29:07 AM |
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