Cape Canaveral National Seashore Metal Detecting

Who thinks there is a large potential of treasure along this piece of national seashore?
Does the Cape ever allow like a once a year open visit to detect its beaches and norht torwards the park?

Man if they did, I would drive down a week a ahead of time to make sure I'm at the front or close to the front of the huge line that would inevitably form. 

Pcola

Theres tons of treasure there.No detectors allowed unless you are a ranger.

you are kidding right   --of course theres stuff there -- its a huge natural ship snag --at night if careless or in bad weather -- for about 150 years (1580's to 1730's) with loaded spanish treasure vessel's running close to land using "dead reckoning" navagation --hugging the coast  using "land marks" to navigate by --- the cape was used let them to know when to turn eastward --riding the gulf stream home -- oh yah theres stuf there count on it --now for the bad news -- no they will not let you play in their sand box.   ---- Ivan

I kind of new that answer, But, other than Bureacratic BS, why are they hiding this beach front to us, I would not care if at Kennedy they put a wall on the other side of the dunes like on the Mexico border and we had to walk miles down the beach from the park access, but to own that entire beach front is just wrong. Maybe Nasa will move someday and tear down that area, no thats prime real estate, they would ruin it with high rises.

You should hear some of the stories the old timers tell about swimming on the Cape and finding pieces of 8 while wading. One gentleman told me after hurricanes you could find the old timbers and ballast piles. I thought they were just stories until he showed me some of his finds from there. All of which were found long before the space center was there.

hum just build a good sized sand screening box and be on the look out for ballast rocks --find em start sifting -- without a detector , thats about as good as you can do. 

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It will remain a National Seashore even if NASA left.  They would do the same thing they did with the Keys.  Turn it into a Marine Sanctuary! In eesence it already is.  They know whats there and they will do whatever they can to keep salvors out.

I know the beach is off limits but is the surrounding water?
And do these idiots really know whats out there or is it more an environmental thing?

Idiots meaning government!

yes they know theres wrecks there , they would have to be total - WORD REMOVED - Some people (parents of hadicapped children for example) find this word offensive.  Please don't use denigrating terms here at TreasureNet.  Thanks.s to think otherwize--- and often enviromental or historcial preserve zone areas are just a way of placing prime salvage areas off limits for "normal" salvor type folks --however state and federal archies can often get accesss to these types of areas for "research" when "normal" folks can not -- basically its a "control issue"  --ie they can / we can not

The water is off limits all around NASA.They did open up some fishing areas last year.That area including the land is all watched by Satellites they take a pic every 10 seconds.So if you are heading to close to the beach,i bet you get a visit by the coast guard or a seal team or MIB.All of them armed.Not really worth the risk in going to their brig,loseing your boat and equipment and being interrogated for 3 days.Not much fun.

I have magged the outer area of the cape and, yes, we were watched quite a bit.

DL

Of course there is the case of the boat load of Chinese foreign nationals who were shipwrecked along the Florida coast a couple years back, and were stranded on the beach adjacent to the Shuttle launch pad. As I recall, they were on the beach for some time before security forces at the Cape discovered that they were camping on the beach.
Or maybe the case of the massive search and rescue looking for a man and his boat from West Palm. They searched for days and found nothing eventually calling off the search. A few days later the boat was found washed up on the beach at the Cape with one or two bodies aboard.
There was yet another story about a plane that crashed at the Cape, and it took days to find the wreckage. Of course, when they found it they were not looking for it.
The offshore area they opened last year for fishing, was open for just about ever, until 9-11 2001, Thank god it didn't take as long to reopen A1A in front of Patrick AFB, or Cocoa Beach would have become a ghost town some years ago. The only reason that NASA opened the area back up was due to political pressure from the fishing industry.
I have walked the beaches at the Cape/Kennedy Space center back when I was in the military, and there is plenty of evidence of old shipwrecks that wash up after every storm. Of course, Bob Marx will tell you that there are no shipwrecks at the cape, followed immediately with a chuckle.

Tom

sir robert marx is joking to the max of course , he of all people knows better. -- Ivan

i always wanted one of the V-1's they shot off into the water after WWII.
what a lawn ornament.   

I think I found one of those. It was a "practice" bomb I was told. North of the cape.

DL

How close to the land did you get?

at the end of WWII, the US military took captured German rockets to the cape and shot them off, reverse engineering the technology.

i read there were over twenty V-1's shot off into the ocean. a few V-2 also.

After the last hurricane of 2004 i walked 8 miles of that beach and found some bronze spikes inbedded in some giant shipwreck beams that was exposed in the dunes.Further down i found a rudder post with copper nails and sheathing still attached.Before i went on the beach i asked a ranger if it was ok to take driftwood off the beach,he said take all you want.I have the spikes and the rudder post.The wood is perfect since it was buried in the dunes since whatever ship it came off of was wrecked.

I had the good fortune to walk a section of the beach last year. I am on an aerospace technical committee on welding that NASA participates in. They offered the use of the "Beach House" for our two days of committeee meetings. It is on a remote part of the facility and as the name implies it sits right on the beach. You can read about it here:

http://www.nasa.gov/missions/shuttle/beach_house.html

Looking both North and South from here it is desolate beach as far as you can see. During our lunch break on both days our host said it was cool if we wanted to walk on the beach. One day I walked about a half mile North and the next about a half mile South. I saw what could have been timbers exposed in one area and there was plenty of other miscellaneous flotsam washed up on the beach. What a place to really get down to business! I think I could have gotten away with using my detector if I had brought it. Nobody took me seriously when I was talking about looking for treasure and shipwrecks.

Hopefully I will have the opportunity to visit again inthe future!

Stan

i live in cape canaveral, i know several of the security people that work there - one of which detects the beach every couple weeks. he has the entire beach to himself... he wont say what he finds..... also i have talked with people who have magged the area & unfortunately there is so much rocket crap in the sands that a mag survey will reveal nothing. another crappy fact is the sand is at least 50+ feet deep to get to bedrock... and yes you can go pretty close to the beach if you like nowadays because they opened up the area to fishing... i want to go blow a hole just to see what they say seeing my boat is in the port

"testing the blower"

If you ever go, i would love to come along for a ride!

I am so envious of that security guard, i am submitting my application as we speak!

you are kidding right   --of course theres stuff there -- its a huge natural ship snag --at night if careless or in bad weather -- for about 150 years (1580's to 1730's) with loaded spanish treasure vessel's running close to land using "dead reckoning" navagation --hugging the coast  using "land marks" to navigate by --- the cape was used let them to know when to turn eastward --riding the gulf stream home -- oh yah theres stuf there count on it --now for the bad news -- no they will not let you play in their sand box.   ---- Ivan

Well " sandboxs " have many uses..... Just ask my cat :-)

PLL

Hey PLL,

What with the moniker? Is it related to our late dear friend Don aka PegLeg?

Mariner

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hey mariner,
 Sad to say it's not, I only knew of " pegleg ". I take my name from the Lost pegleg mine, and since he already had pegleg, I became pegleglooker. But from what I read about Pegleg, he must of been really someone really special. I just wish I had known of Tnet back when he was around...

PLL

pegleglooker,

I can see from your number of posts that you have been a prolific contributer. I guess you mostly post on other areas of the site than "shipwrecks".

Anyway, good luck, and thank you for reminding me of PegLeg whom I considered a good, if slightly crazy, friend.

Mariner
 

I'll do my best to carry the name pegleg and also to hold up the " crazy " part..... trust me 

PLL

I thought someone somewhere either in this thread or another mentioned seeing a schooner mast stick out of a dune somewhere along Klondike beach...found some interesting article here:

http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archiv...3D7153BE533A25757C1A9629C94619ED7CF

Schooner "Ethel" wrecked on the bay of the false cape (Klondike Beach) April 14, 1890.  Debris scattered everywhere.

oh they know wrecks are out there. remember the space shuttle accidents....they searched every part of that ocean to rebuild the shuttle for the investigations. we went lobster diving and got to close to there "area" this year and got escorted by a helicopter with missiles hanging off the side of it. oh well, maybe someday . you all take care, ozzy

Hey Inletsurf:
Great article!  Thanks for digging that up.  Would like to see what else you find out.  Meanwhile, here is a pic of some of the coins found on the Cape (all points south of Eldora and north of Port Canaveral).  These were part of the collection of Bill and Flo Andrews that were displayed for awhile at NASA HQ.

Whereas the Homeland Security types get interested in your coming and going while off the False Cape and the Cape itself, there are some real jackpots along Klondike Beach, and all of that is the domain of the NPS history-huggers.  I think it a little odd that you can fish on the beach, but can not metal detect.  Of course, the fish-huggers have probably made that impossible now too, in light of the red snapper debacle.  On the other hand, its very difficult to bad-mouth the bureaucrats for keeping the seashore isolated.  There's nothing else quite like it.  They do let people dig inside the park... Doug Armstrong and John DeBry come to mind.

During WWII there was a German U-boat stationed off the Cape blowing up everything that came through, military and civilian. Considering that and NASA experiments, there could well be things the US Gov't or the Military might not want people to find.

itmaiden

I would love to here more about this, PM me or e-mail whatever is safer!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...wavecrazed/pics227.jpg?t=1261100714

How close is that picture from the beach? Is tha national seashore?

Where is eldora and where or what is the false cape? Are there wrecks at nat seashore or are they south down past the cape itself? Does the cape create a natural say catchers mit of debris the way it sticks out and curve?

That pic is on the north side of port canaveral your looking at airforce launch pads not the launch area further north where NASA launches the shuttle, That is by Playlinda beach east of Titusville Where this pic was taken, people fish there alot just come out of port canaveral inlet and turn left North a few hundred feet and that is where that pic was taken. Playlinda beach would be a great place to beach detect but i heard they wont let you but you can fish surf and at the north end of the beach you can lay there naked, everything but Beach detect.

Growing up in titusville in the '60's, we had JC beach, which was south of Playalinda a few miles.  spent many hours on the beaches fishing and riding motorcycles.  Little did we know about what was on those beaches.......

Nothing like lost opportunity. We can only believe that our time will come and keep hunting.

itmaiden

Growing up in titusville in the '60's, we had JC beach, which was south of Playalinda a few miles.  spent many hours on the beaches fishing and riding motorcycles.  Little did we know about what was on those beaches.......

Where is eldora and where or what is the false cape? Are there wrecks at nat seashore or are they south down past the cape itself? Does the cape create a natural say catchers mit of debris the way it sticks out and curve?

Eldora is a mile or so south of Turtle Mound, near the north boundary of the Canaveral National Seashore.  False Cape is a slight bulge just to the north of the Cape itself.  There's more than a few wrecks north of the actual Cape, with many lying along Klondike Beach, the High Cuts, Pardon Hammock, the Castle Windy area and the Silver Palm Hammock area. At least one 1715 era Mexican 8 reale has been recovered toward the north end of the park, and on the islands in the Mosquito Lagoon, some very OLD Spanish and French coins have been dug up.

The south side of the Cape is sort of a catchment, but, last century, there was a pier there, and a marine railway for hauling boats at the fair burg of Cape Canaveral proper.

Terry,

What do you know about the bronze cannons that nasa buried in the area behind the dune line north of klondike beach and south of apollo beach?

How close is that picture from the beach? Is tha national seashore?

It was pretty close.
Here is another about the same distance.
 http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v...wavecrazed/pics228.jpg?t=1261636684

There are things along the cape shore that will blow your mind. Fisheye and I walked a long way last year and we were soon visited by a ranger on a four wheeler asking for our "paper work" Thankfully fisheye knew the ropes and we were ok, but it was really odd. I've gone back several times and I'll go back many more in the future. If they ever let us md in the area I know exactly where I'm going. It's a blessing and a shame that they've made the cape a national preserve. I'd almost go as far as to say that the Cape could make the treasure along the Wabasso area look like pocket change.

Will,

You may want to look into getting a job as a ranger there.That job will have fringe benifits.

This area is of the utmost interest to me.
Mrs. Butterworths pancake syrup. Mmmm yum g o l d e n  pancakes.
"...under the cover of darkness of  n i g h t  and  h e a v y  r a i n  Mr. Buttersworth notice some strange men coming ashore with a heavy object." 'They were out there quite awhile'. "They seemed to have buried something and then got back into their boat and paddled off."
'That treasure chest was later extracted by Mr. Butterworth and he retired a very wealthy man!'.
True story about Panther Key, Florida.
playALINDA this game.
update 12/30/09:
There are huge alligators that crawl these beaches both night and day.

Here it is:A Job At the Cape.

Herpetology Intern
Categories:

    * Herp - Herpetology (Reptiles, Amphibians)

Canaveral National Seashore
With 24 miles of Atlantic Coast barrier island, Florida's Canaveral National Seashore provides sanctuary for an abundance of flora and fauna, shelters an estuary rich in shellfish, crustaceans and marine fish and offers a fascinating spectrum of human history and the resulting cultural sites and artifacts. Share this sanctuary with the sea turtles you'll be monitoring.
Monitor the nesting of three sea turtle species, document their nest locations, post nest sites with basic data, screen nest cavities to discourage predators, enter field data into Access database and compile data collected in the field into useful report formats, 65%; operate and maintain ATVs on the beach, prepare nest protection supplies for use in the field, assist park resource management staff in establishing monitoring protocols and collect data on flora and wildlife distributions, 35%.
Requirements
Drivers License
US Citizen
Required Skills:
US citizenship; valid driver`s license; ability and willingness to undergo a required criminal history background check; minimum 2-3 years academic coursework in biology or outdoor education; ability to collect scientific data in an accurate, complete manner; ability to work independently; ability to work closely with volunteers, park staff and researchers; willingness to work alone at night in a hot humid environment that includes stinging and biting insects.
Desired Skills:
Ability to drive 4WD and manual transmission vehicles; BA/BS degree in biology or other natural science; working knowledge of Excel and Access computer programs; strong interpersonal communication skills; ability to work as part of a team.
Training:
Safe operation and maintenance of 4WD pick-ups, ATVs and ATV trailers; sea turtle identification methods; hazardous materials safety.
Housing
Location:
Onsite
Description:
Housing is a shared house within the park.
Details:
Agency will provide housing: The agency has made some sort of housing arrangement for the intern.
Transportation
Personal Vehicle:
Required: No other transportation is available to reach shopping facilities or worksite from housing location. Little possibility exists to share rides with other employees. Distances are too far to walk. Any mileage over the budget travel amount will be the responsibility of the host site.
Universally Accessible:
No
Date Flexibility:
Flexible 1-2 weeks Start or end date is flexible within 1-2 weeks

http://www.thesca.org/taxonomy/term/84/all?page=2

Whoever gets the job.Let me know:)

Terry,

What do you know about the bronze cannons that nasa buried in the area behind the dune line north of klondike beach and south of apollo beach?

Hey Fisheye:
Menendez spiked them and rolled them into the lagoon.  If I understood the story correctly, they were buried under Pad 39A, but I'm not sure about that... they still might be in the soup.  Take it for what its worth. 

I watched 39 A&B being built.  They piled up a HUGE pile of dirt, let it sit for a long time, then scraped it all away.  I suspect the dirt went to the crawlerway.  Don't know where the dirt came from, though.  It was dam impressive to a 17 year old HS kid making $11/hr. in 1965 working at "the Cape".

The job mentioned is an Intern job.
I know a guy who is qualified for this job but he thinks they may not hire him because of his age, over 55.
When a college student has studied this environmental science and is in limbo of his schooling and a job that he is qualified for but cannot find a job, they seek this kind of "Intern" job.
My visit to the Florida Historical Society was interesting. You haft to remember that treasure is a link to vandalism so the first and only thing that comes to mind is the other. 'But I do not see them out there with metal detectors for the Historical Society either.' There are ancient coins and need to be appreciated,!
The government, whoever they are, should allow access to metal detectorists for Summer and Fall Seasons! 
Playalinda is a nudey beach, ( real nice looking women too!)  , and there were posted signs that read "No metal detectors allowed". 
Is it a joke? Nudes don't have anything on so what could they lose? 
Since no detecting has been allowed for the reasons of historical values, there must be a ton of coins, clad, and jewelry on the "family" section of Park because Playalinda is a National Park!

Its not like they are going to put anything they find into there pockets...

It would be a good source for funding the Space Program!

The Space Program costs a medium sized Treasure Ship everytime they send the space shuttle up. Your tax dollars at work for someone elses "big toy".

itmaiden

It would be a good source for funding the Space Program!

[Is buried treasure here! But , where?]

Its not like they are going to put anything they find into there pockets...

Right ! But maybe here; Read page 79. Six foot pit the size of a hogs head the shipwreck Spaniards buried treasure from treasure ships wreck there . This was in 1500's! So there Is buried treasure here! But , where? : http://books.google.com/books?id=Pj...=onepage&q=Canveral&f=false
"...southwestern extremity of the cape...". Where would be southwest? Extremity goes east.
Is this island of Sorrope not the same as the Surruque village ? I know where that is. There are two ghost towns in this vicinity, one near Ormand Beach,Nocorro. And one further south, Soccorro. Now since a soccorro is and aid and or supply station, Pentagram "house of safety treasure symbol", would it not be a place to secure treasure too? It seems to me it would be.
December 1st., 1941: Archaeologists were not successful in finding a fort which housed 2,000,(two thousand), soilders on the East coast of Florida. So where is Fort Sorroquez? The Asian Morning Dove does not hoot "sorroque", Hitchiti were family parent tribe of the ; Sorroque, Tiacuma, and Tekoite. "We come from where the sun comes from", the meaning of Hitchiti. Tiacuma,Old meaning for the state of florida, "wind,or water, or , dirt on the skin". "Tekoite" is what the Florida Finch Bird chirps. Thus thier names and meanings. Tekoite is also an Iraqi tribe from the Bible, 2 Sam. 23 vs. 26.. Noah was Iraqi, and could talk to the animals. Anyway, it was the land of the Riseing Sun that took out Pearl Harbor 6 days later. *Girga"shy"its were Iraqi too,("Vigilante", magic), "they lost a significant battle and come back totaly victoriuos, Bible.(NOT "Terroists" ),! Tekoite made tiki's that they dipped in either enemy or animal blood preserved the wood, and they gave as gifts. According to Bible, you are not suppose to meddle with the Persian Babylonian war, "give a gift and walk away". What more perfect than a tiki from the Tekoite to the Tekoite!?
So now we go to the Year 1689 when Sorroquez was founded and then was burnt down by Tekoite. Where is it?
It would be an interesting find today,Too late for the incident of Pearl Harbor, but to Intelligently offer the Nation of Iraq an appropriate gift and explanation.        
*word is G-i-r-g-a-s-h-i-t-e-s.
You have hurricane seasons of course that wreck ships here. You have wartime submarines that prowled and sunk ships out of port Canaveral. Then you have the north easter winds that blow across these sandbar flats, known as  "The Bulls " in February and March. I worked as a part time mate and deck hand on the Miss Cape Canaveral in 1983. There were times it did not go out because of the huge waves caused by these winds. Small vessels could capsize out here and get drowned if stuck on ground. Shallow water .

The Polly L was just out at the Canaveral Inlet as support for Great Lakes Dredge Company, they will be dredging and depositing the sand on the beach. Unfortunately They have a 1' screen over the dredge equipment due to the chance of mines being sucked into the pipes. Guess there wont be anything found there.

Lynn

Who wants to go fishing at the cape this weekend?Heres a pic of my TEG u/w 3 inch coil Md and my modified beach fishing rod with its new handle base.The teg doesnt have any sound.It vibrates when metal is detected and actually has a form of discrimination.I can tell by the way it vibrates the difference between iron and non ferrous metals.

[Playalinda]

I enquired recently to metal detecting in Florida state Parks. I visited the websites for Cape Canaveral National Seashore, where many ships sank on the shore and treasure was on them and, and Wakulla Springs National Park, Deepest Spring in the world found by Ponce de Leon, a tourist trap, Fountain of Youth.
The reply:
Playalinda: Correction: Anatasia Island
Thank you for your interest in Florida State Parks.  Yes, metal detecting is allowed within this park only along the Atlantic Ocean coastline between the toe of the dune and the waterline.

Florida Administrative Code, Chapter 62D-2 which provides rules and regulations for Florida State Parks does not specifically address the use of metal detectors; however it prohibits any ground disturbing activity which is a product of metal detecting. As a result, guidelines for the use of metal detectors as stated in the Florida State Parks Operations Manual are as follows:

1. Due to the tidal influence in coastal areas, the use of metal detecting devices are allowed in coastal parks, in a zone between the waterline and the toe of the dune, as determined by the Park Manager, except at archaeological sites within the zone designated by the Division of Historical Resources (DHR) or the Park Manager.

2. For the recovery of lost personal items that are specifically identified by their owner as being lost in a specific area of a park. The owner of lost property or his representative should contact the park manager who will arrange a time for the search to be conducted in the presence of a park staff member. During these searches, only the item sought may be kept by the owner or his representative.

Any dug hole(s) associated with the use of a metal detector must be refilled to the contour of pre-dig conditions using excavated material.

Sincerely,
Leylani Velez
Information Specialist
Wakulla;
Thank you for your interest in Florida State Parks.  Unfortunately, we do not allow metal detecting within these parks; it is only permitted in coastal parks on the beaches in specified areas.
"... ... ", the same as the rest of the letter above.
 

Are you sure about your spelling for Sorroquez ?  I have found a couple of map references for something similar, one near the Cape and one in the Carolinas if I remember correctly ?

If you can get me something that is definitely accurate or more details, I may be able to help you locate this ?

itmaiden

[Playalinda]

Sorroque wrote:
Playalinda:
Thank you for your interest in Florida State Parks.  Yes, metal detecting is allowed within this park only along the Atlantic Ocean coastline between the toe of the dune and the waterline.



Playalinda is part of the Canaveral National Seashore and falls under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the state of Florida.

[Playalinda]

Sorroque wrote:
Playalinda:
Thank you for your interest in Florida State Parks.  Yes, metal detecting is allowed within this park only along the Atlantic Ocean coastline between the toe of the dune and the waterline.



Playalinda is part of the Canaveral National Seashore and falls under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the state of Florida.

Right ! 
My emails were  from, Anatasia Island and Wakulla Springs park.

Are you sure about your spelling for Sorroquez ?  I have found a couple of map references for something similar, one near the Cape and one in the Carolinas if I remember correctly ?

If you can get me something that is definitely accurate or more details, I may be able to help you locate this ?

itmaiden

Yes I am certain about the spelling.

I have invited to this discusion, (not here@Tnet), a proffesional archeologist that did the Windover digs to my questions about: Sorrope,Surruque,Sorroque, villages. Tekoite, tribe, and the Tiacuma whom were all the same sect of family of the Hitchiti which are now vulgarly renamed by the government that polished them off, Mickasoukee, different than the original Miccosoukee.
Also Sorroquez, and the pirates named, "Sir Rogue", and "Sir Rock".
The archaeologist with the mess,!, of degrees shall be out on assignment and should be back the 16th.
Here is her: Dr. Rachel Wentz
Regional Director
Florida Public Archaeology Network
East Central Region
435 Brevard Ave.
Cocoa, FL 32922
321-690-1971

Hi. I have found nothing under the spelling you gave (maybe a different language translation?), however, I did find historical information under "surruque".  The State of Florida believes this site to be a prominent Indian Shell Midden in the Cape Canaveral Area, which is known as "Turtle Mound".  If you are looking for treasure from this area, I will tell you from other documentation that Florida scored a huge accumulation of gold and silver. If you would like to "see" the treasure, you will have to break into the Tallahassee Vault or wherever else it ended up at. Is Cape Canaveral  off limits just for security purposes ? I know more but this is all I will say for the moment.  The state beat you to the treasure matey.

Sorry.

itmaiden

Are you sure about your spelling for Sorroquez ?  I have found a couple of map references for something similar, one near the Cape and one in the Carolinas if I remember correctly ?

If you can get me something that is definitely accurate or more details, I may be able to help you locate this ?

itmaiden

Yes I am certain about the spelling.

I have invited to this discusion, (not here@Tnet), a proffesional archeologist that did the Windover digs to my questions about: Sorrope,Surruque,Sorroque, villages. Tekoite, tribe, and the Tiacuma whom were all the same sect of family of the Hitchiti which are now vulgarly renamed by the government that polished them off, Mickasoukee, different than the original Miccosoukee.
Also Sorroquez, and the pirates named, "Sir Rogue", and "Sir Rock".
The archaeologist with the mess,!, of degrees shall be out on assignment and should be back the 16th.
Here is her: Dr. Rachel Wentz
Regional Director
Florida Public Archaeology Network
East Central Region
435 Brevard Ave.
Cocoa, FL 32922
321-690-1971

Florida indians didnt bury their dead in shell mounds.When a indian or indian chief died they put the body in their grass hut along with all their belongings and furniture and burned it all.

Different tribes had different customs. The Surroque area had evidence of earthen burial mounds. Anthropologists have worked with the state in regards to complete well preserved bodies apparently buried in peat bogs. Some Indians practiced cremation.
And some just ate each other.

Middens are believed to be basically shell trash dumps. 

Florida indians didnt bury their dead in shell mounds.When a indian or indian chief died they put the body in their grass hut along with all their belongings and furniture and burned it all.

[Little Big Man]

Bells.
gas.
safe.
Sorrope.
Answer with a triple
1. Sorrope were indeed savage, but highly repected. For anyone who saw the Dustin Hoffman, has an October 11th. birthday like my own, movie, "Little Big Man", then you are familiar with the Contrair Warrior.
A Contrair was a priest. What he said and did he practiced backward. "Hello", when he actualy meant "Goodbye". The movie was based on The Siox, Cheyanne, and Pawnee. They fought @ The Battle of Little Bighorn. That Battle is still observed on Memorial Day. Nocturnal Florida Chickens, classified extinct, 1767. Nocturnal Chickens are around today . I think this bird was the mascot and thier face paint was black with white speckles, and has something to do with ghost town "Maybeline", in Tampa, and Chuck Berry's song.
Talking to Wier, a living Caloosa in Cocoa, he mentioned that ," The cannibles had pointed teeth and kept them sharp ". 'They were dealt with as one deals with a pet'.
Burial Mounds are prone to tornadic activity, it makes them more magical. The zero-gravity of tornados is why.
2. As far as the natives buried in the bogs, it was because at night certain bogs bubbled and gave off an illuminesant light, so it was thought thay the bubbles would breathe life back into the deceased.  
The brand new Ellington Mitchell sports park on Hall Road on Merritt Island is where you need to be early in the morning, to see a Nocturnal Florida Chicken .
3. I took a Locksmith course while in Tallahassee, by correspondance, and could get into a safe, however, I would spend 30 years min. in jail for using that aquired skill in a crime. Nope.
I would like to add that the Cardinal Bird, logo of Locksmithing Institute of Little Falls, New Jersey, chirps, "Cochise" just like in the Names of a Cree Chief, and an a "Apache" chief. Ghost town in that area, "Ocise Landing". The Cardinal Bird Chirps, "Gitchagoomee" where we are at in Florida. This is a contortion of nature, magical too because we know birds speak dialects!
"There is a society that causes contortion", Holy scripture. Saint Simon,($3million Pesos buried on Saint Simon Island), was the Patron Saint,(go Saints!), to self mutilation, poverty, pastorial skills, and contortion.
Seminole Chief William Bowles, Chief Billy Bowlegs.
We need to pinpoint the location of the Tekoite, the tribe that burnt down Sorroquez 1689.
The Mr. Mcgoo THing. Cartoon of the whitemans way. This is, 'I believe', the Tekoite , of Iraq, in the whitemans bible to the Tekoite redman tribe. Believe it or not, there are white people today with the lastname, McGoo.
Please read 2nd. Samuel chapter 23 verse 26 KJV. Noah was from Iraq and could talk to the animals in which coerced into the Ark. The Finch Bird chirps "Tekoite"! Ghost town Crow, Florida on Cape Canaveral; Fish Crow squaks "Kissimmee" = Kissimmee, Florida today. Another thing,   ;" The wreck of The Ezmond Fitzgerald"  A 70's song about it sunk in a Michagan in a Lake ,... Gitchagoomee. .
'Tikis dipped in blood'. Edmund.
I did get help from the Florida Historical Society. The elder man helped me get that information about that Surruque village. The book is wrapped in white paper and kept in thier safe. Lock and key and I think combination too.
Interesting jewelry those lovely ladies wear at that place.  ' I wonder if it is 1715 stuff, or a little more',... ?

I always feel buzzed after I read one of your postings Sorroque  

Buzzed Tom? Is that all?

lake okeechobee back in the days of the indians was also known as Sorrope.And its along ways from the cape.

Yes it was, but the Spanish Fort sharing the name was at the Cape.
Some Indian pottery such as effigie's, and fishhooks have been found at Okeechobee. The artifacts have been relatively few though. At one time, archies thought it may have been a temporary Seminole settlement.

Lake Okeechobee connected with the St Lucie River. Also, an Indian trail ran from the East Coast of Florida, across the lake area, over to Tampa.

itmaiden

lake okeechobee back in the days of the indians was also known as Sorrope.And its along ways from the cape.

Heres some history about the cape.
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Immediately after removing the French settlers, the Spanish attempted to build a permanent fort at Cape Canaveral, primarily for the purpose of protecting shipwrecked sailors from attack. In 1565, the same year St. Augustine was established, a Spanish blockhouse was built at the northern tip of the Indian River.

Origin Of Cape Canaveral Remains Largely A Mystery

Although the recorded history of Cape Canaveral dates back a remarkable 500 years, next to nothing is known about when and how Cape Canaveral formed, or what exactly happened there prior to the advent of Spanish colonial exploration.

It is generally believed that geographic Cape Canaveral, as it is known today, was likely underwater for untold thousands of years. There is ample geological evidence of ancient dune lines, where ocean waves once broke upon the shoreline.

Actually, these dune lines run north and south along the Florida mainland about 10 to 15 miles inland from present day Cape Canaveral. Huge numbers of indigenous sea shells are commonly found at any inland construction site where deep digging is conducted.

What is nearly certain is that at some point in time, the ocean waves receded, and a combination of tidal action and local topography allowed a small point of land to jut out from the coastline into the great sea.

Imagination must of necessity rule when trying to imagine what the area was like before human intervention. Cape Canaveral likely played host to a huge variety of flora and fauna, including just about any creature that could fly, walk or crawl to its shores.

Even the great wooly mammoths once roamed the Florida mainland, and perhaps even these animals ambled across the coastal shallows to graze on this ancient landscape.

While little is known about the origin and ancient history of this now famous stretch of sand and scrub, some light has been shed on the original human inhabitants of the region.

Ancient Residents Of Cape Canaveral Area Are Unearthed

Historians believe that the first residents of Florida were Native Americans who migrated to the region about 10,000 years ago. As far as the area surrounding Cape Canaveral is concerned, a most remarkable discovery was made in the mid-1980's.

A heavy machine operator excavating a peat bog near Interstate-95 in Titusville, located on the Florida mainland a few miles west of Cape Canaveral, unearthed a human skull. Believing this to be the victim of some horrendous crime, the worker promptly called authorities.

But the skull would prove to be one of the greatest anthropological finds in the history of Florida. The skull turned out to be very old, and was turned over to researchers with Florida State University.

The entire area was sealed off, and researchers decided to completely drain a nearby pond. Excavation of the peat material in the banks and bottom of the pond revealed a treasure trove of bones belonging to some of the area's oldest inhabitants.

A rare environmental mix in the peat bog area served to preserve in near pristine condition human bones and plants from a bygone era. Several of the human skulls even contained preserved brain tissue.

Although the remains will be studied for years to come, a great deal has been learned about the people who were most likely the Cape Canaveral area's first inhabitants.

Scientists believe the Titusville remains belong to Native Americans inhabiting the area about 7,000 years ago. Due to the condition of tooth remains, it is believed these Indians ate mainly coarse vegetation and grains. This led to speculation that the tribe was migratory in nature.

Although believed to be migratory, the discovery of so many bones in one location would point to a more permanent presence in the area, or at least a significance of the area to these people.

Since so many bones were found in and around the pond, it is believed it was used as a burial pond, in which the remains of deceased individuals would be placed. All else about these early Floridians, including their relationship to later identifiable inhabitants, is a mystery.

Two Native American Groups Populate Cape Canaveral Region

It is generally believed that two main groups of Native Americans populated the Cape Canaveral area leading up to colonial times. These are the Ais and Timucuans, both of whom frequented the Cape Canaveral area due its local abundance of seafood and edible vegetation.

The Ais are believed to have populated the coastal area along the Indian River, originally called "Rio de Ais" (River of the Ais) from the Cape Canaveral area south to the St. Lucie River and extending perhaps as many as 30 miles inland. The Timucuans are believed to have populated a large area extending from Cape Canaveral north to Georgia.

The Ais were fiercely warlike and nonagricultural, and survived chiefly on seafood and indigenous vegetation. They were known to be cannibals, and were greatly feared by other Native American tribes and European explorers. The Ais hated the Spanish, and were the chief reason the Cape Canaveral area was not colonized by Spanish settlers.

A large number of Spanish shipwrecks were plundered by the Ais, who very rarely took prisoners. In time, the Ais added the Spanish knife and hatchet to their arsenal of primitive bow and arrow. They also salvaged tons of Spanish silver and gold, which is periodically discovered hidden in middens.

The Timucuans were docile in comparison to the Ais, although they also are known to have been cannibals. Still, the Timucuans were primarily hunters and fishermen, and also raised crops. Their agricultural activities often resulted in a surplus, which was stored in granaries.

Neither the Timucuans nor the Ais initially welcomed European explorers with open arms. They had good reason to fear the Spanish in particular. When Spanish forces were strong enough to subdue the Native Americans, many were forced to perform slave labor. This typically involved forced diving and labor at the site of Spanish shipwreck salvage sites.

By the time the Cape Canaveral area was colonized, neither the Ais nor Timucuan tribes survived. It is not known whether they were the victims of European-introduced diseases or inter-tribal warfare. Both were common in colonial times.

The Ais and Timucuan tribes should not be confused with the Seminoles, who did not migrate into Florida until the 1700's. Seminoles were not common in the area around Cape Canaveral, but are known to have traded with American settlers in the Merritt Island area as late as the 1860's.

Spaniard Ponce De Leon Explores Cape Canaveral

Although maps containing the rough geographic boundaries of Cape Canaveral, albeit without a name, are dated as early as 1502, Spanish explorer Ponce de Leon has been credited with first exploring the region in 1513. His second landing in Florida was just south of Cape Canaveral, probably near the present day town of Melbourne Beach.

Ponce de Leon was forced to retreat hastily from the area after being attacked by fierce inhabitants, probably the Ais. He did, however, have time to secure water and food, if no information on the famed "Fountain of Youth" treasure being sought.

Unfortunately, the exact circumstances surrounding the naming of Cape Canaveral remain a mystery, although the oldest known map containing the name Cape Canaveral was made in 1564, well after the initial landing by Ponce de Leon. It is known, however, that the name Cape Canaveral is of Spanish origin.

Some of the oldest surviving Spanish maps of Cape Canaveral refer to the area as the "Cape of Currents", because sailors wanted to avoid this coastline due to dangerous waters and a better than average chance for shipwreck. This name was ultimately abandoned in favor of "Cape Canaveral", a name which has long endured.

The name "Cape Canaveral" is made up of two fairly simple Spanish words. The name "Cape" was simply the designation for a point of land jutting out into the sea. "Canaveral", literally translated "canebrake", might have had a number of different meanings depending upon who actually selected the name.

The Smithsonian Institution included an account of the naming of Cape Canaveral in their 1992 traveling exhibition celebrating the 500th anniversary of the voyage of Christopher Columbus. According to the exhibit, Cape Canaveral, translated as "Place of the Cane Bearers", was named by Spanish Cape explorer Francisco Gordillo after he was shot by an Ais arrow made of cane.

Cape Canaveral has also been roughly translated as "Point of Reeds" or "Point of Canes". While there is no actual sugar cane indigenous to the Cape Canaveral area, there are several forms of plants that resemble sugar cane. These include a type of bamboo reed dubbed "nomal cane" by early U.S. residents of the Cape. This plant very much resembles sugar cane when seen from offshore.

It is more likely that the traditional account of the naming of Cape Canaveral is correct, that Spanish sailors named the area Cape Canaveral because they believed they saw sugar cane growing along the coastline. There is no clearly defined historical account of where the name actually came from.

Cape Canaveral Remains Uncolonized But Is A Vital Landmark

Several decades after the visit of Ponce de Leon, Florida remained relatively untouched by the Spanish, primarily due to a lack of indigenous treasure and an abundance of hostile inhabitants. However, Cape Canaveral itself quickly became a vital landmark.

Even the oldest known maps of Florida contain two important landmarks. These are the Florida Keys and Cape Canaveral. At the time, dead reckoning was the means of plotting the course of a ship. Therefore, ships typically remained within visual range of the coastline and used it as a reference point.

The Florida Keys were instrumental in locating the eastern coast of Florida, which was sailed along during trips back to Spain. Cape Canaveral was a vital landmark for sailors, who typically turned toward the northeast after it was sighted.

After following the Gulf Stream and prevailing winds to Bermuda and the Azores, these ships continued on across the Atlantic Ocean to Europe. However, shallow waters along the coast of Florida as well as unpredictable hurricanes plagued sailors for generations.

Since so many ships sailed the area near Cape Canaveral, it remains one of the most common colonial shipwreck sites in the world, and a popular starting point in the search for treasure, which litters the Atlantic waters from Cape Canaveral southward.

The French Settle And Rename Cape Canaveral

It is little known that one of the first attempted European settlements on North America was near Cape Canaveral. In the early 1560's, Frenchman Jean Ribault was commissioned to establish permanent settlements in Florida. French settlement would be extremely dangerous, since the Spanish dominated the seas and reacted swiftly and violently to French piracy, whether actual or perceived.

During the Ribault campaign to establish settlements, a ship named "Trinity" was wrecked north of Cape Canaveral, on what is now called the Cape Canaveral National Seashore. The shipwrecked party was able to establish a settlement nearby, and promptly renamed Cape Canaveral "French Cape".

The French party was able to do something the Spanish had not been able to. They established and maintained peaceful relations with the local Native American inhabitants. Establishment of this settlement and similar efforts by Ribault brought swift reprisal from the Spanish.

The Spanish Quickly Uproot The French Settlers

Sensing a threat to their own interests, the Spanish commissioned Pedro Menendez de Aviles to establish settlements and drive the French from Florida. The greatest concentration of French settlers had established a village on the northern Atlantic coast of Florida.

Pedro Menendez de Aviles quickly uprooted these settlers, murdering many, including Jean Ribault, under a flag of truce. Some of the French settlers evaded the Spanish, and fled south to the settlement at "French Cape". Their intention was to build an escape vessel out of the remains of the ship "Trinity" and head back to France.

In 1565, a permanent Spanish settlement was established and named St. Augustine, an area previously occupied by the French. St. Augustine remains the oldest permanent European settlement in North America. The Spanish quickly headed south to establish a settlement at strategic Cape Canaveral.

The Spanish succeeded in uprooting the French settlement at the Cape. Most of the French settlers were taken prisoner, but about 20 are believed to have sought refuge at an Ais Indian village on the Indian River.

Immediately after removing the French settlers, the Spanish attempted to build a permanent fort at Cape Canaveral, primarily for the purpose of protecting shipwrecked sailors from attack. In 1565, the same year St. Augustine was established, a Spanish blockhouse was built at the northern tip of the Indian River.

This was followed by a gradual movement of Spanish forces to the south. Several small fortifications were erected on Cape Canaveral, traces of which have been found and preserved. However, relentless attacks from the Ais resulted in a complete Spanish abandonment of Cape Canaveral within a few months.

Although Cape Canaveral remained a vital landmark for sailors in the years that followed, the area was untouched by settlers for nearly three centuries.

British Flag Briefly Flies Over Florida

Florida became a British possession as a result of the Treaty of Paris in 1763. British settlers were moderately successful at establishing colonies in Florida, although Cape Canaveral itself was not affected. The nearest British settlement in relation to Cape Canaveral was New Smyrna to the north, settled by Dr. Andrew Turnbull in 1767.

Cape Canaveral Becomes U.S. Possession By War

Cape Canaveral, along with the rest of Florida, became a possession of the United States as a result of the Revolutionary War. In fact, the last naval battle of the Revolutionary War was fought about 72 miles southeast of Cape Canaveral.

On March 10, 1783 the British ship HMS Sybil challenged the French-built ship Duc de Lausun and the American ship Alliance. The British ship, as well as three others which gave chase later, were successfully outgunned and driven off by the Alliance.

Upon the conclusion of the War of 1812, Cape Canaveral would remain under the flag of the United States.

Cape Canaveral Remains Unsettled Until U.S. Expands Southward

As the borders of the United States continued to expand, the first American settlers slowly trickled into Florida. At the age of 23, Douglas D. Dummitt established the first permanent settlement in the Cape Canaveral area. By 1828, Dummitt was able to ship commercial quantities of oranges northward along the Indian River.

Dummitt Grove was located on Merritt Island, directly west of Cape Canaveral with the Indian River to the west and the Banana River to the east. Much of the original Dummitt Grove is today located on Kennedy Space Center property. Dummitt operated an orange grove on this land until his death in 1872.

Cape Canaveral itself, however, did not receive its first American inhabitants until a few decades later. As the Dummitt groves were growing and thriving to the west Cape Canaveral remained very isolated, accessible only by boat.

In the 1840's the first group of settlers established permanent residence on geographic Cape Canaveral. These were hearty souls from Georgia and the Carolinas, mostly of English and Scott-Irish heritage. Today there are still people who can trace their lineage back to these settlers.

The first Cape Canaveral settlers occupied just a few households, but were able to maintain a self-reliant existence at what at the time was a hostile environment marked by brutal heat, plagues of mosquitoes, a challenging sand and scrub environment in which to grow crops and most of all isolation from other people.

Cape Canaveral Gets An Enduring Lighthouse

In 1843, the U.S. government selected Cape Canaveral as the site for a permanent lighthouse. The eastern tip of the Cape made a natural choice for this vital aid to navigation. Construction of the original Cape Canaveral Lighthouse, made of brick, was completed in 1847.

The Florida Mainland Population West Of Cape Canaveral Expands Rapidly

Originally called St. Lucie, the Florida mainland territory west of Cape Canaveral along the western bank of the Indian River was renamed Brevard County in 1855. The name has not changed, and today Brevard County, Florida includes the all of Cape Canaveral and the Kennedy Space Center.

Regardless of this designation as a county, there were still no roads or railroads in the area, and travel to and from Brevard County was possible only by boat. Initially, this made travel irregular and difficult.

However, by the 1880's, a regular line of steamer traffic was established from the St. John's River in north Florida south to the Indian River in Brevard County. While this did not expand the population of isolated Cape Canaveral, it did expand the population of the mainland area to the west.

Mainland areas to the west of Cape Canaveral experienced a steady growth through the 1890's, when a railroad line was extended into Brevard County. By June, 1893 the Flagler Railway reached the city of Titusville, formerly called Sand Point, at the northern end of Brevard County.

Titusville had been a popular port as early as the 1880's, and featured a mule-driven railroad that carried goods to western settlers in what is now the Orlando area. The Flagler Railway was quickly extended southward along the western bank of the Indian River through the cities of Cocoa, Rockledge and Eau Gallie.

Cocoa, formerly called Indian River City and located about ten miles south of Titusville, was settled in 1881. Rockledge, just south of Cocoa and formerly called Rock Ledge after coquina rock which extended into the Indian River, was settled in 1873 as the first winter resort community on the east coast of Florida.

Eau Gallie, just north of the city of Melbourne and located about 20 miles south of Rockledge, was also settled in the 1870's. Eau Gallie was eventually absorbed into the city of Melbourne, which itself was established in the early 1880's.

Once the Flagler Railway reached Eau Gallie, the entire mainland area west of Cape Canaveral was served by a railroad. The Titusville, Cocoa and Melbourne areas soon emerged as major centers of local population.

Still, Cape Canaveral remained isolated, accessible only by boat. Although population was gradually increasing on the mainland, just a few more families settled on Cape Canaveral, which was separated from the mainland by the Banana River, Merritt Island and the Indian River, traveling from east to west.

Merritt Island, originally settled by Dummitt, did not itself experience an influx of settlers until 1868, when agriculturists established citrus, pineapple and sugar cane plantations. Cattle was also raised on Merritt Island, which to date has never been incorporated as a city.

The barrier island area south of Cape Canaveral was not settled until 1923, when the first bridge was extended from Merritt Island eastward to the Atlantic coast. The eastern terminus of this bridge was incorporated as the city of Cocoa Beach in 1925.

Cape Canaveral Is Settled Under The Homestead Act

With population now creeping closer and closer, Cape Canaveral was opened to settlement under the Homestead Act. As the relative prosperity of the 1920's dawned, families and small businesses trickled onto Cape Canaveral. The area still remained isolated and accessible by boat only.

There were no permanent roads, and trips to and from the surrounding mainland areas took the better part of a day to complete. Nevertheless, several small villages emerged on Cape Canaveral under the wary eyes of those hearty families who had settled the Cape nearly a century earlier.

The primary villages on Cape Canaveral, traces of which are still evident today, included Artesia, located on the extreme south end of the Cape. Artesia was completely abandoned and destroyed when Port Canaveral was constructed.

A settlement nicknamed Stinkmore was located on the Cape Canaveral southeast shoreline, near present day Launch Complex 17 and just a stone's throw from Launch Pad 5 where America's first astronaut was launched. The most striking feature of Stinkmore was an elaborate fishing pier and dock that stretched about 300 feet into the Atlantic waters.

The most developed and populated area of Cape Canaveral was known as DeSoto Beach, and was located in the vicinity of present day Launch Complex 36. DeSoto Beach featured perhaps 15 permanent homes, a small hotel, a store and even a brothel.

A collection of other homes and structures dotted the Cape Canaveral coastline, and were included in a more or less generic and unofficial designation as Cape Canaveral or Canaveral Beaches.

Farther to the north of Cape Canaveral on what is called False Cape, technically the eastern edge of Merritt Island, towns named Nathan and Titusville Beach were settled. Remains of these towns are located near the present day Space Shuttle launch pads.

Although the permanent Cape Canaveral population numbered about 100 at the dawn of World War II, the area catered to numerous visitors, including many fishermen who sought to take advantage of the excellent fishing the Cape waters provided.

The Threat Of War Begins To Shape The Future Of Cape Canaveral

Events that shaped the future of Cape Canaveral began just prior to World War II. Under the Naval Expansion Act of 1938, two naval installations to reinforce the Atlantic Coast Defense System were authorized for construction on the east coast of Florida.

The first was to be located in Jacksonville, and the second was proposed for Brevard County. In June, 1939 Commander W.M. Angus, Public Works Officer for the Seventh Naval District, met with civic leaders of Melbourne, Eau Gallie and Cocoa to settle on a site.

A narrow strip of the barrier island located roughly between the Melbourne and Cocoa areas was selected as the site for a naval air station. Construction was begun in December, 1939 and the resulting Banana River Naval Air Station was commissioned on October 1, 1940. It covered 1,791 acres and was roughly 4.1 miles long by 1.25 miles wide.

In addition to supporting coastal seaplane patrol operations during World War II, Banana River Naval Air Station operated a PBM seaplane pilot training program and advanced navigation school. Although the facility continued to support the Navy after World War II, it was officially deactivated on August 1, 1947.

Although Banana River Naval Air Station property could have been quickly abandoned and turned over to the local communities, the area was maintained on caretaker status until an important decision could be made.

FishEye good post.
And to add to "Cocoa", It was Bernard Ramones,( so many times quoted @TNet), "A Dutch captain in the British NAVY", that said in his book "Concise and Natural History of Florida", 1773, "The mosquitos here are like that on the island of Caicos". So this is legendary of why the place was Named Cocoa. Many other theories about that. Both "Bernards Surf", and "Ramones Steakhouse"'s are history. A man named Niko,( my former landlord), owns the "Surf", and The Dinosaur Store is in the park where Ramones was.
Mason Patrick Naval Airstation. Todays Patrick Airforce Base.
http://www.dinosaurstore.com/
The old "United States Treasure Atlas", Volume of Florida.
I think this is where I got the original lead. Not a precise pinpointing at that.
A Titusville history page that was on the internet showed the location of Soccorro, Florida near the Cape.
Ghost towns too; Dummit Grove Plantation. I found a medicine bottle there, citrus product.
Shiloh., Zone., Noccorro., Nuremberg., and Crow. All these towns were on the Cape Canaveral National Seashore North of space center and South of New Smyrna.
Updating this post:02/13.
"Appeard first in history as the "Sorrochos", of Le Moynes map 1875.". Only Sorrocho I could find was  Juan Antonio Fernándesz Sorrocho fined 3,000 euros by a court in Northern Italy for trying to steal the Olympic torch.

Are you sure about your spelling for Sorroquez ?  I have found a couple of map references for something similar, one near the Cape and one in the Carolinas if I remember correctly ?

If you can get me something that is definitely accurate or more details, I may be able to help you locate this ?

itmaiden

Dummit's Grove is an interesting place to explore. I spent a lot of time looking around there in the late 1980's.  (great redfish and trout fishing area too by the way)

Just north of Dummit's Grove, and not many people know this, but in 1565, at the  same time that St. Augustine was being founded, the Spanish built an outpost/fort at the very northern end of the Indian River, in what is now known as the Haulover area. (a narrow strip of land where the indians and explorers hauled over their canoes from the Mosquito Lagoon to the Indian River. As the population in the area increased, and boats got bigger, they dug a canal from the Indian River to the Mosquito Lagoon....now known as Haulover Canal)

Later, Fort Ann was built there in 1837 during the 2nd Seminole war.

Some one you may remember a guy on TNET named Pegleg, God rest his soul, who had a story about gold bars being buried in the mud at the northern end of the Indian River. A lot of history all through that area and across Mosquito Lagoon to the Cape.

On the southeast shore of the Mosquito Lagoon, historian and conservator Doug Armstrong found a very old French campsite and recovered a number of interesting artifacts, which are now displayed at the McLarty museum in Sebastian.

Tom

Does anyone now how close to the CCN seashore you can use a detector under water ? Anyone try? Anyone want to?

Right offshore is prohibited as well. Ask Randy Lathrop. I think the state gave him a lease but the feds kept harassing him. This was back in the late 80s.

SignUmOps may know more about this.

[Playalinda]

Sorroque wrote:
Playalinda:
Thank you for your interest in Florida State Parks.  Yes, metal detecting is allowed within this park only along the Atlantic Ocean coastline between the toe of the dune and the waterline.



Playalinda is part of the Canaveral National Seashore and falls under the jurisdiction of the federal government, not the state of Florida.

Right !  
My emails were  from, Anatasia Island and Wakulla Springs park.

Not to necro an old post, but....

Don't waste your time at Anastasia State Park unless its after a big storm- even then, you'll probably have as much luck eyeballing stuff as you will MD'ing it. Unlike the Treasure Coast or the Cape, it isn't like there's a bonanza of wrecked treasure ships out there. Yes, there are old wrecks galore off St. Aug, but Spanish coins on the beach are a "once in the bluest of blue moons" sort of thing. It ain't Wabasso.

Walked the whole 8 mile roundtrip (from the hotel access down to the North Jetty and back) of the state park with a MD the last time I was down there- sticking to the tideline in the dry and semi-wet- and it was barren. There has been a ton of renourishment there, so whatever is good is buried. Once you get to the 'cliffs' about 3 miles down, the renourishment lays off  and you'll start to find random stuff from back when you could still drive on the beach and that area was accessible, but I beat the hell out of it over the course of 3 days and didn't find anything of note, save for enough nasty clad from the 70's to stuff in the pop machine at the state park campground vending machine on the walk back and buy a Dr Pepper.

There is one promising maritime history area in St. Aug I know of that
1) is accessible
2) hasn't been worked recently, if at all

... but I'll only be talking about that in terms of a trip report this summer, after I've worked it over myself with an underwater PI

Pedaled to the inlet at Anastasia Island last Sat. Lots and lots and lots of clad alright, but suprisingly not as old as I expected. No silver at all. Thought I had a very unusual coin the size of a quarter because the back had a geometrical marking with something circular in the center. The front showed old George as I massaged it with my thumb. Oh well when I got home and cleaned it up a little more, it was just a newish Georgia quarter.
Found all of the clad right at the bottom of the cliffs and out maybe 20 feet. Stayed too long and had to walk the bike back, too mushy to ride. Bummer. Sadly we do need a storm and a big one. One that just rides up the shoreline.

Does anyone now how close to the CCN seashore you can use a detector under water ? Anyone try? Anyone want to?

   ill try with you hell were close I'm in deltona and i do have permission to be out there I'm a commercial harvester i pay my dues ever year do cn seashore so if were not i bet they will just run us off

Found all of the clad right at the bottom of the cliffs and out maybe 20 feet.

Yup. That's exactly where I was getting all mine too.
If I recall correctly, they closed the beach to driving in the early 2000's, so we can expect to find clad on the north end at least that new. Given the possibility of ferrous metal shipwreck artifacts was there, I didn't discriminate and since I only intended on hunting the dry and wanted the best shot at small gold, I used a Compadre. That thing is an absolute titan on small gold. Next time I'm down, I'll probably bring the Surfmaster and wade at low tide by the inlet on the Porpoise Point side.

The far north beach access on A1A heading towards Guana is interesting. I headed out there right after a big storm in 2001 and found some weird shipwreck related stuff about a mile north of the parking lot (in addition to a huge whalebone and so many foot long conch shells that I eventually stopped picking them up )

Are ther any stories of treasure being found at Cape Canaveral during construction of the facility?

A ranger found some bronze cannon up in the dunes.I know where a anchor is in the dunes plus a bunch of timbers with bronze spikes in them.

A ranger found some bronze cannon up in the dunes.I know where a anchor is in the dunes plus a bunch of timbers with bronze spikes in them.

Wow, there has to be a "treasure trove" of artifacts in that area!

A ranger found some bronze cannon up in the dunes.I know where a anchor is in the dunes plus a bunch of timbers with bronze spikes in them.

where good Buddy

Go 8 miles south of the entrance gate.But you have to sign a waiver that the rangers wont be responsible for you if the critters eat you for dinner in the backwoods area is what they call it.For that long walk trudging down the beach you need to bring plenty of water and food if you want.Get a early start.Rangers on 4 wheelers may check up on you to see if you are still alive and not face down in the sand.I found part of the leading edge of a rudder with copper plate and nails in it down around the 8 mile area and carried it all the way back.Now i know how shipwreck survivors felt trying to carry either gold or personal belongings down that beach.Its brutal.If you go too early in the morning the no see ums will eat you alive.You have to make it back before the shore gate closes at night otherwise you will be spending the night there without a camping permit and the bugz and critters will eat you up.Deep woods off wont help you.Bring a thermo cell with you.You can buy them at gander mountain or walmart for 25 bux.Will be the best 25 bux you ever spent.wearing it will keep skeeters and no see ums away for 12 hours.

Go 8 miles south of the entrance gate.But you have to sign a waiver that the rangers wont be responsible for you if the critters eat you for dinner in the backwoods area is what they call it.For that long walk trudging down the beach you need to bring plenty of water and food if you want.Get a early start.Rangers on 4 wheelers may check up on you to see if you are still alive and not face down in the sand.I found part of the leading edge of a rudder with copper plate and nails in it down around the 8 mile area and carried it all the way back.Now i know how shipwreck survivors felt trying to carry either gold or personal belongings down that beach.Its brutal.If you go too early in the morning the no see ums will eat you alive.You have to make it back before the shore gate closes at night otherwise you will be spending the night there without a camping permit and the bugz and critters will eat you up.Deep woods off wont help you.Bring a thermo cell with you.You can buy them at gander mountain or walmart for 25 bux.Will be the best 25 bux you ever spent.wearing it will keep skeeters and no see ums away for 12 hours.

    cool correct me if im wrong are those poles with numbers on them placed every quarter mile ..8 miles past the gate would mean 2 miles past the end of the road right ive read the info you post on the other thread thanks     i owe you a beer , I just took a year long vaction to c what i can find in that time. started this new hobby about a year ago  now turned to obsession driving down to vero beach 2 or 3 times a month but not much luck im learning more and more now i know you have to wait on the right storm b4 you MD those beaches so intill then i started looking closer to my back yard,, have a  house in sable point but just moved to deltona to b closer to the beach would have moved to the beach but to far to take son to school back in longwood so this was happy medium so i thank you for any info on NSB and canaveral area

Dummit's Grove is an interesting place to explore. I spent a lot of time looking around there in the late 1980's.  (great redfish and trout fishing area too by the way)

Just north of Dummit's Grove, and not many people know this, but in 1565, at the  same time that St. Augustine was being founded, the Spanish built an outpost/fort at the very northern end of the Indian River, in what is now known as the Haulover area. (a narrow strip of land where the indians and explorers hauled over their canoes from the Mosquito Lagoon to the Indian River. As the population in the area increased, and boats got bigger, they dug a canal from the Indian River to the Mosquito Lagoon....now known as Haulover Canal)

Later, Fort Ann was built there in 1837 during the 2nd Seminole war.

Some one you may remember a guy on TNET named Pegleg, God rest his soul, who had a story about gold bars being buried in the mud at the northern end of the Indian River. A lot of history all through that area and across Mosquito Lagoon to the Cape.

On the southeast shore of the Mosquito Lagoon, historian and conservator Doug Armstrong found a very old French campsite and recovered a number of interesting artifacts, which are now displayed at the McLarty museum in Sebastian.

Tom

Here's a pic of an old map. Note the word el Roque...translated means Tower.
Just my two cents.