Great Seal Button Backmarks Help

[I am assembling a list of US Army Great Seal button backmarks 1902-present.. This seems to be the most complete list available online. With the help of TN members, I am occasionally adding and improving upon it. So far I have about 90 different backmarks. Anyone with a Great Seal button backmark not listed please post the pic and Ill add it. Thanks.This is how it all started:]

I am assembling a list of US Army Great Seal button backmarks 1902-present.. This seems to be the most complete list available online. With the help of TN members, I am occasionally adding and improving upon it. So far I have about 90 different backmarks. Anyone with a Great Seal button backmark not listed please post the pic and Ill add it.   Thanks.

This is how it all started:


I bought 2 bags of small Great Seal of US buttons for a buck at a flea market. Can someone help me date these backmarks?  I believe they are all post 1902. I cant find anything else online.

1- Top row SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2-             SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY  
3- Bottom CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.
4-            WATERBURY BUTTON CO.

no replies?


My City Button Works may be WWI but the Scovills have me confused. According to internet research, this backmark is documented as a 1850-1865 production mark.

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/SCOVILL-Mf-g...W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ250355537335


I am pleasantly surprised that these NY buttons may be "rare" WWI and mine are mint.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache...l=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us
http://cgi.ebay.com/WWI-VINTAGE-MIL...20090109?IMSfp=TL090109114002r19699

That is a seriously nice haul of buttons. BigCH 
I know so little about buttons, but i'm learning all the time from the learned here on TNet.


Mike

That is a seriously nice haul of buttons. BigCH 
I know so little about buttons, but i'm learning all the time from the learned here on TNet.


Mike

I figured what the hell for a buck. I thought they were modern and I have been tossing them in the surf to see were they end up in my thixotropic sand movement testing.     I didnt know they were old until I noticed the different backmarks.  Im still trying to get a date on the Scovills and Waterburys. Somebody here should know.

wow you could throw a few my way! Instead of wasting em in the surf!
Now you know zlincolns are better at that test than good buttons.. LOL
J2
Hopefully some one with Button knowledge galore will answer you!

well, lets see if we can get these ID"D

these were used from wwI thru wwII until now. there are afew in the button book but for the most part they are new.

these were used from wwI thru wwII until now. there are afew in the button book but for the most part they are new.

Yes, I realize they are all post 1902.  I would like to better date the backmarks. Does your book say anything?

dasalottabuttons

Since I started this thread, I have found several other Great Seal button backmarks.  Here is a list so far (may have errors)


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY 
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                    (WWI)
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1955                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                              (WWI)
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                 modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                          modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.      1902- WWII
13-ARNSTEIN, SIMON & CO.  S.F.

Nice find for a buck. HH

Big,  I don't know anything about buttons...but know a good deal when I see one. Abuck?? WOW.

Rick

I added a few more to the list of Great Seal Buttons.

1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY 
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                    (WWI)
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1955                   
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                              (WWI)
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                 modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                          modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.      1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON (& CO.) * S.F. *

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error.  If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902.  

Updated list of US Great Seal button backmarks:


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY 
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                    (WWI)
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1955                   
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                              (WWI)
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                 modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                          modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.      1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON (& CO.) * S.F. *
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*
16- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.      (WWI)

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error.  If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902. 

That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ... 

The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc.  Do you have a copy of Tice's book?  If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book.  If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you.  Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers. 

Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you.  Time to hit the sack...


-Buckles

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error.  If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902. 

That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ... 

The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc.  Do you have a copy of Tice's book?  If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book.  If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you.  Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers. 

Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you.  Time to hit the sack...


-Buckles

I think it should say 1855- 1965.  Possibly a typo.

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error.  If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902. 

That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ... 

The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc.  Do you have a copy of Tice's book?  If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book.  If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you.  Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers. 

Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you.  Time to hit the sack...


-Buckles

I think it should say 1855- 1965.  Possibly a typo.

Could be, but I just use the books when I can.  I don't trust the net.  Again, with that backmark--it's the Size of the letters, and other features that determines the date range.

Could be, but I just use the books when I can.  I don't trust the net.  Again, with that backmark--it's the Size of the letters, and other features that determines the date range.

ok thanks

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error.  If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902. 

That backmark was used during the CW, post-CW, Indian Wars, Turn of the Century, early 20th c. ... 

The deciding factor is the Size of the lettering on the backmark, the presence of one ring or two, or a dotted ring around the shank, etc.  Do you have a copy of Tice's book?  If so, check out the Plates in the beginning of the book.  If not, I'll try to make some time to do a little work on this for you.  Eve though Tice doesn't list buttons made after the CW, in his preliminary remarks about dating buttons, he lists backmarks and rough time frames for the big producers. 

Waterbury Button Co. is 20th c. for sure...but I'll look up the exact dates later for you.  Time to hit the sack...


-Buckles

I think it should say 1855- 1965.  Possibly a typo.

Could be, but I just use the books when I can.  I don't trust the net.  Again, with that backmark--it's the Size of the letters, and other features that determines the date range.

ALSO MISPELLED WATERBURY (WATURBURY)

Great seal made in 1902, and used a long time after that. Nice buttons.

Heres the list so far of Great Seal Button backmarks.

Note may be some errors. If anyone can add to it post the pic.





1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY 
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1955                   
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*
16- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.         WWI

Added more backmarks.     AM. BUTTON CO.  NEWARK, N.J.    and    C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY 
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1955                   
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18-  C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK               WWI- 1930

Another Great Seal button to add to the list.

 C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK

1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY 
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1955                   
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18-  C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19-  UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.

definetily a good buy for a $1.00.

Is crazyjarhead's button the same as number 7 on list or does the 'Newark N J' marking add another to the list?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,235071.0.html

Is crazyjarhead's button the same as number 7 on list or does the 'Newark N J' marking add another to the list?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,235071.0.html

Yes I think its another variation. I will add it. Thanks. (Late for work now).

I added it.


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY 
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1955                   
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ- 
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18-  C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19-  UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.

New button added. Metal Specialties Co Attleboro, Mass.  
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,254548.0.html


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1923                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945

Great thread

I may have another backmark here. I found this pic online but cant read it. Any help?

I think it may end with WORKS INC.

I also see -NEWARK N.J.-

I may have another backmark here. I found this pic online but cant read it. Any help?

I think it may end with WORKS INC.

I also see -NEWARK N.J.-

I blew it up...I think it says Newark NJ Inc  M T Works   Newark NJ

I may have another backmark here. I found this pic online but cant read it. Any help?

I think it may end with WORKS INC.

I also see -NEWARK N.J.-

I blew it up...I think it says Newark NJ Inc  M T Works   Newark NJ

I think maybe ART MT ? WORKS INC -NEWARK N.J.-

Something is missing before WORKS.

Art metal works Inc.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...Bnewark%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Art metal works Inc.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...Bnewark%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

I cant find mention of it on your link but I think you got it. Do you think this is the correct ID and can I add it to the list? Do you know the dates?

There is some text above the pic of the button. No back pic of the button, however finder states it reads: "The Art Metal Works, Newark N.J." Company operating from around 1900 to 1930. In 1930's was changed to Ronson Art Metal Works.

I think it's another Great Seal button manufacturer. There could be several models from this manufacturer 

This thread is a great idea and reference tool. I'll know exactly where to check when I find my first Great Seal button 

1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1923                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945
21-ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-    1900-1930 approx.

Okay I want to know.

What's the cash worth?

I'm drooling...
 

Okay I want to know.

What's the cash worth?

I'm drooling...
 

I dont know billybudd because I havent sold any. I did however quit tossing them in the surf.

A member sent me a good link on N.S. Meyers.   http://www.14to42.net/20streete042.html

While N.S. Meyers dates back to 1868, they were only in New York from 1906-2000. I will add the dates. Thanks cheyenne.

1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1923                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                  1906-2000 (in business in NY)
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945
21-ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-    1900-1930 approx.

Great info cheyenne  Now this thread just need a count of members finds each category, that would be a good indicator of value. Then again if you find yourself tossing them in the surf you already know the value 

Congrats bigcypresshunter on your 9,999 posts  How come you didn't get a little star or something for your avatar  Is 15,000 next level?

Great info cheyenne   Now this thread just need a count of members finds each category, that would be a good indicator of value. Then again if you find yourself tossing them in the surf you already know the value  

Congrats bigcypresshunter on your 9,999 posts   How come you didn't get a little star or something for your avatar   Is 15,000 next level?

I was tossing them in the surf to see where they would end up because I thought they were modern and worthless. I have since found out they are WWI era and may have some value. This reminds me of another story.  Scroll to the end Reply #312 Good Karma.   http://forum.treasurenet.com/index....c,107185.msg1810600.html#msg1810600

Good karma 

So have you found any of the tossed buttons yet?

Looks like redlightblack & twistidd both found same new addition to the list. No date range on the button: CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO  NEW YORK.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,260421.0.html




 

Looks like redlightblack & twistidd both found same new addition to the list. No date range on the button: CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO  NEW YORK.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,260421.0.html




 

Ill add it to the list. Thanks!     http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,254079.0.html

What does SPG stand for?


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1923                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                  1906-2000 (in business in NY)
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945
21-ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-    1900-1930 approx.  
22-CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK       (WWII?)

Looks like redlightblack & twistidd both found same new addition to the list. No date range on the button: CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO  NEW YORK.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,260421.0.html




 

Ill add it to the list. Thanks!      http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,254079.0.html

What does SPG stand for?

I think it stands for Spring. http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=...UaYZjxlMTENk&icp=1&.intl=us

Big CY you could start an Id book soon for difficult quality marks. WTG  I have used this thread a couple times to ID other buttons

or a website.

Looks like redlightblack & twistidd both found same new addition to the list. No date range on the button: CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO  NEW YORK.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,260421.0.html




 

Ill add it to the list. Thanks!     http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,254079.0.html

What does SPG stand for?

I think it stands for Spring. http://74.6.239.67/search/cache?ei=...UaYZjxlMTENk&icp=1&.intl=us

Thanks. It also supports the WWII timeframe.

I found a few more Great Seal button backmarks to add to the list.
http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=12352387

1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1923                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                  1906-2000 (in business in NY)
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945
21-ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-    1900-1930 approx.  
22-CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK       (WWII?)
23- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*
24 - * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
25-  W.B. CO.

BigCypressHunter,

You may have seen this link already but just in case. It has lots of button backmarks with their dates.

http://pw1.netcom.com/~jimyce/bm.html

HH!
-Moe

That link does not apply to more modern Great Seal buttons or is in error.  If you notice under Scovill I have the same SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY backmark but Great Seal buttons are post 1902.  

I discovered why 1865 SCOVILLE MF'G CO. WATERBURY backmarks are showing up on WWI Great Seal buttons. This link explains it.

  http://inkspotantiques.com/shop/index.php?main_page=page&id=1

Keep in mind that using Scovill backmark lettering (including dots and stars) is not a foolproof method because Scovill often used old backmark dies to make newer buttons. Thus it is possible to have a World War I "Great Seal" button with an 1850 backmark.

This is a great post... just sayin.

Thanks but it may contain some errors. I probably wouldnt have cared but I bought those 2 ziplock bags of Great Seal buttons at the Flea Market and wanted to know the dates...   It turns out they are mostly WWI.

Im adding a Scoville backmark to the list, with the 2 dots on each side of *WATERBURY*, because it is different.



1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1923                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                  1906-2000 (in business in NY)
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945
21-ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-    1900-1930 approx.  
22-CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK       (WWII?)
23- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*
24 - * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
25-  W.B. CO.
26-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *       1850- ?
27- SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.           1870s-WWl  

This is a great thread.  Kudos to taking the time to document each one.  Are pics of all the backmarks on your list on this thread?  I was trying to match them all up but gave up....(too much scrolling up and down...and I'm lazy  ).

This is a great thread.  Kudos to taking the time to document each one.  Are pics of all the backmarks on your list on this thread?  I was trying to match them all up but gave up....(too much scrolling up and down...and I'm lazy  ).

I wont add to the list without seeing a pic but in the beginning I didnt post them.  I believe I have the others in my files. I will try to post a pic from now on.

It all started with those 2 bags of buttons.

I found online a pic of 76 Great Seal buttons for sale. It looks like backmarks I do not have. Can anybody read them? Some appear to say PHILA.   http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4860340

I found online a pic of 76 Great Seal buttons for sale. It looks like backmarks I do not have. Can anybody read them? Some appear to say PHILA.   http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=4860340

Let me work on that pic. I'll see if I can't enhance it some.

ADDED....I worked on the picture from the site, but it is too grainy to enhance.  I'll try some more.

I think I got the Phila button. It may be a HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***    
 http://forum.treasurenet.com/whites/index.php?topic=18168.0


1- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)
2- SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                1850-1962
3- WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *
4- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                     WWI
5- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-          1877-1923                  
6- US PRODUCTS CORP
7- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                 WWI
7b- R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
8- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
9- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
10- WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                   modern
11- W W W W   (waterbury)                            modern
12- D. EVANS CO.  ATTLESBORO, MASS.        1902- WWII
13- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                WWI
14- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                  1906-2000 (in business in NY)
15- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*   WWI
16- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*            1902-1917
17- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.          WWI
18- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                    WWI- 1930
19- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
20-METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS. (painted black) 1940-1945
21-ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-    1900-1930 approx.  
22-CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK       (WWII?)
23- WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*
24 - * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
25-  W.B. CO.
26-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *       1850- ?
27- SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.        1870s-WWl  
28- HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                  1893-1935

I rewrote the list putting like backmarks together. Many dates are missing.



1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  1850-WWI
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       1850-WWI
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1850-WWI
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 1870s-WWI
5-  HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                            1893-1935
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- D. EVANS CO.  NO. ATTLESBORO, MASS.          1848-1945
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                            WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *

There is a Great Seal Button with RUTHERFORD NJ on it. Its either COL BUT WKS or COL BU.
I cant find a pic. Can anyone find it?   http://www.treasurequestxlt.com/com...tq/2565-civil-war-eagle-button.html  
thanks.

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300314964648

Found another. GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT-MICH. *  (plain field front)
http://inkspotantiques.com/shop/ind...fo&cPath=80&products_id=297

I found Columbia Button Works in Rutherford New Jersey that made metal buttons and employed 75 people in 1918 and another listing on eBay so Im going to add the backmark to the list.


updated list:

1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  1850-WWI
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       1850-WWI
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1850-WWI
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 1870s-WWI
5-  HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                            1893-1935
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- D. EVANS CO.  NO. ATTLESBORO, MASS.          1848-1945
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                            WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI  
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI

And here is a variation. 

I found a French site with WWI dug button pics and more backmarks.

1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  1850-WWI
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       1850-WWI
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1850-1918
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 1870s-WWI
5-  HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                            1893-1935
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- D. EVANS CO.  NO. ATTLESBORO, MASS.          1848-1945
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                            WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI  
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS
34- S  &  J   WATERBURY CT.
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT *
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP.  PROV. R.I.
37- D.EVANS & CO.      N.A.

4H found a Great Seal button with the old 1860-1880 Scovill "ring of dots" backmark. Its a different Scovill variation for a post 1902 WWI button.

I cant read it?  What does it say exactly?

all I can make out is US products Corp.

I cant read it?  What does it say exactly?

all I can make out is US products Corp.

I cant read it?  What does it say exactly?

I'm pretty sure BCH has that one, don't know about the picture though. 

One more for the list. "SUPREME 172 QUALITY". Its the small button furthest to the right bottom pic.   http://www.etsy.com/view_listing.php?listing_id=12352387  

1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1902-1918 (1870s-? backmark)
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 WWI (1870s-? backmark)
5-  HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                            1893-1935
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- D. EVANS CO.  NO. ATTLESBORO, MASS.          1848-1945
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                            WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI  
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS                            (found in France)
34- S  &  J   WATERBURY CT.                                (found in France)
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT *           (found in France)
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP.  PROV. R.I.           (found in France)
37- D.EVANS & CO.      N.A.                                   (found in France)
38- SUPREME 172 QUALITY
40- SCOVILL M'FG CO. WATERBURY (ring of dots)     1902 (1860-1880 backmark)

Thanks to Ironspike for bringing this to my attention, I can add a few more to the list from Todays Finds. http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,29182.new.html#new I just need good picture verification if anyone can find them.

Rex Products Corp * New Rochelle, NY *       1902-WWII

"New York button company N.Y."

D Evans & Co attlebor falls

Sorry, this is all I could find. http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?...mp;op=listing&product_id=276481

I added Attleboro Falls and Rex Products.


1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1902-1918 (1870s-? backmark)
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 WWI (1870s-? backmark)
5-  SCOVILL M'FG CO. WATERBURY (ring of dots)     1902 (1860-1880 backmark)
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                          1893-1935
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                            WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI  
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS                            WWI (found in France)
34- S  &  J   WATERBURY CT.                                WWI (found in France)
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT *           WWI (found in France)
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP.  PROV. R.I.           WWI (found in France)
37- SUPREME 172 QUALITY                                  
38- REX PRODUCTS CORP * NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. *    1902-WWII
39- D. EVANS & CO. * NO. ATTLEBORO, MASS.            1848-1945
40- D. EVANS & CO.      N.A.                                  WWI (found in France)
41- D. EVANS & CO  ATTLEBORO FALLS                  WWI  

Sorry, this is all I could find. http://www.artfire.com/modules.php?...mp;op=listing&product_id=276481

Thanks do you have the exact wording of your ATTLESBORO FALLS button, including the *s?           http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,217866.new.html#new

Lol let me dig er out! ....Unreadable. But, heres one I found with exact reading...

Lol let me dig er out! ....Unreadable. But, heres one I found with exact reading...

I corrected it. Thanks.

NP...

I found a few more Great Seal buttons.


1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1902-1918 (1870s-? backmark)
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 WWI (1870s-? backmark)
5-  SCOVILL M'FG CO. WATERBURY (ring of dots)     1902 (1860-1880 backmark)
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-  
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                          1893-1935
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                            WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI  
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS                            WWI (found in France)
34- S  &  J   WATERBURY CT.                                WWI (found in France)
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT *           WWI (found in France)
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP.  PROV. R.I.           WWI (found in France)
37- SUPREME 172 QUALITY                                  
38- REX PRODUCTS CORP * NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. *    1902-WWII
39- D. EVANS & CO. * NO. ATTLEBORO, MASS.            1848-1945
40- D. EVANS & CO.      N.A.                                  WWI (found in France)
41- D. EVANS & CO  ATTLEBORO FALLS                  WWI  
42- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
43- MADE IN ENGLAND  (anodized aluminum front)                                      
44- S. EISENER CO. RED BANK N.J.                         WWI (in business1859-1925)
45- CORD C22
46- TIFFANY & CO. MAKERS ** M **  (14K gold blazer) 1907-1947  http://www.langantiques.com/category/100/4/item/100-1-1208/

I also picked up several different Waterbury variations today.

What a great reference list.  Nice work dale

What a great reference list.  Nice work dale

I agree, this is a very nice button thread 

Bump

I found another Great Seal button online to add to my list. I cant read the entire backmark but Im adding it because its a unique pressed vegetable ivory button made by a N.Y. company during war years to save brass.

If anybody knows the manufacturer of this button or has a great seal button not on this list, please post it for ID and Ill add it.

I found this button a few days ago Idk If this helps anything but there are stars seperating waterbury.

I found this button a few days ago Idk If this helps anything but there are stars seperating waterbury.

I have that button its #3 on the list. Its a WWI button with an older Scovill backmark.

1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1902-1918 (1870s-? backmark)
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 WWI (1870s-? backmark)
5-  SCOVILL M'FG CO. WATERBURY (ring of dots)     1902 (1860-1880 backmark)
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965 
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                   
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ- 
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                          1893-1935
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                            WWI- 1930
25- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI   
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS                            WWI (found in France)
34- S  &  J   WATERBURY CT.                                WWI (found in France)
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT *           WWI (found in France)
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP.  PROV. R.I.           WWI (found in France)
37- SUPREME 172 QUALITY                                 
38- REX PRODUCTS CORP * NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. *    1902-WWII
39- D. EVANS & CO. * NO. ATTLEBORO, MASS.            1848-1945
40- D. EVANS & CO.      N.A.                                  WWI (found in France)
41- D. EVANS & CO  ATTLEBORO FALLS                  WWI   
42- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
43- MADE IN ENGLAND  (anodized aluminum front)                                       
44- S. EISENER CO. RED BANK N.J.                         WWI (in business1859-1925)
45- CORD C22
46- TIFFANY & CO. MAKERS ** M **  (14K gold blazer) 1907-1947 
47- ?  N.Y. (pressed vegetable ivory)                         war years   

[WOW BCH, you made a haul for a $1.00. You need to go back and see if there are more at that flea market. GREAT button info you've compiled too! Breezie]

WOW BCH, you made a haul for a $1.00.  You need to go back and see if there are more at that flea market.  GREAT button info you've compiled too! Breezie

[WOW BCH, you made a haul for a $1.00. You need to go back and see if there are more at that flea market. GREAT button info you've compiled too! Breezie]

WOW BCH, you made a haul for a $1.00.  You need to go back and see if there are more at that flea market.  GREAT button info you've compiled too! Breezie

Im becoming sort of an expert on post 1902 Great Seal buttons lol.  I have a few other backmarks to post as soon as I take the pics.

I just found another backmark online to add to this list that seems to never end. (just left of the quarter) L.A. MYERS. JR. INC. NEWARK N.J.http://www.auctiva.com/hostedimages...720867&formats=0,0&format=0

I have a ton of buttons to add to this list. I bid on this collection but lost it by a dollar because I was out of town. I saved the pic and Im going to have to research each one and add them to the list.  

Im getting quite a few new additions to the list. Here is a plain field, no border, BROOKS.BROTHERS *NEW.YORK* ENGLAND 1902-1910. This is an English made spun back button. It may be listed in Alberts as GI104. http://cgi.ebay.com/GI104-WWI-Great...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item56304cb6f9

Here are some post 1965 Waterbury backmarks.

Great thread BCH 

Great thread BCH 

It is best on going good for something educational t-net thread

Future T'net posting:

"Hey everyone, new here.  I was MD'ing at the beach today and I found some buttons that really didn't belong.  I was wondering if anyone thinks it was just someone doing some thixotropic sand movement testing or whether there is a simpler explanation." 

Future T'net posting:

"Hey everyone, new here.  I was MD'ing at the beach today and I found some buttons that really didn't belong.  I was wondering if anyone thinks it was just someone doing some thixotropic sand movement testing or whether there is a simpler explanation." 

LOL.  Probably a simpler explanation. Start a new post and we will take a look at them.

I found another Great Seal button online to add to my list. I cant read the entire backmark but Im adding it because its a unique pressed vegetable ivory button made by a N.Y. company during war years to save brass.

If anybody knows the manufacturer of this button or has a great seal button not on this list, please post it for ID and Ill add it.

Not sure the button would fit the two vegetable ivory buttons listed in Alberts (GI 109 E. & GI 110 B.)

Looks like a few new backmarks listed for GI 106.

Have never seen the button made in horn. GI 109 C. Horn. "Warnock Uniform Co/New York" rm

I found another Great Seal button online to add to my list. I cant read the entire backmark but Im adding it because its a unique pressed vegetable ivory button made by a N.Y. company during war years to save brass.

If anybody knows the manufacturer of this button or has a great seal button not on this list, please post it for ID and Ill add it.

Not sure the button would fit the two vegetable ivory buttons listed in Alberts (GI 109 E. & GI 110 B.)

Looks like a few new backmarks listed for GI 106.

Have never seen the button made in horn. GI 109 C. Horn. "Warnock Uniform Co/New York" rm

I dont have Alberts book and thanks for the additions.  

I have since collected enough buttons to double this list.  I purchased a tin full of 300 WWl buttons from eBay and I have some very unusual backmarks. I have buttons in vegetable ivory, steel backed, red colored, made in England and Paris and different shapes and sizes. I didnt realize how many different manufacturers existed. Some members suggested a website.

Thanks again.

I added some new buttons in red with the help of some members. I dont know if this is the best place for this thread but you cannot find a better list online. I have some more to add when I get around to it. May be errors. Any help with the dates will be appreciated. Thanks.

1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1902-1918 (1870s-? backmark)
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 WWI (1870s-? backmark)
5-  SCOVILL M'FG CO. WATERBURY (ring of dots)     1902 (1860-1880 backmark)
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-                WWI-?
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.                                 WWI-?
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                          1893-1935
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
25- THE ART METAL WORKS, NEWARK, N.J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI  
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS                            WWI (found in France)
34- S  &  J   WATERBURY CT.                                WWI (found in France)
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT *           WWI (found in France)
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP.  PROV. R.I.           WWI (found in France)
37- SUPREME 172 QUALITY                                  
38- REX PRODUCTS CORP * NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. *    1902-WWII
39- D. EVANS & CO. * NO. ATTLEBORO, MASS.            1848-1945
40- D. EVANS & CO.      N.A.                                  WWI (found in France)
41- D. EVANS & CO  ATTLEBORO FALLS                  WWI  
42- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
43- MADE IN ENGLAND  (anodized aluminum front)                                      
44- S. EISENER CO. RED BANK N.J.                         WWI (in business1859-1925)
45- SIGMUND EISNER RED BANK N.J                       WWI  "     "          "       "
46- Art in Buttons  U S   U. S. A. (vegetable ivory)
47- ?  N.Y.   (pressed vegetable ivory)                         war years  
48- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                              WWI- 1930
49- BROOKS.BROTHERS *NEW YORK* ENGLAND        1902-1910.
50- L.A. MYERS. JR. INC. NEWARK N.J.
51- H.V. ALLIEN & CO. NEW YORK
52- DUSENBURY & SCHWAB INC. NEW YORK 229 4TH AVE.
53- LUXENBERG NEW YORK MADE IN ENGLAND
54- ROSENFIELD & RAPKIN * BOSTON, MASS.
55- WARNOCK UNIFORM CO *NEW YORK*   (made from horn)
56- G J & F PARIS
57- H W I SCHWAB INC NEW YORK
58- THE J.E. MERGOTT CO. NEWARK, N. J.
59- JAMES C. DORAN & SONS  PROVIDENCE R.I.
60- CORD 22
61- TIFFANY & CO. MAKERS ** M **  (14K gold blazer)        1907-1947  
62- JACOB REED'S SONS * PHILA. *             in business 1880-1983

[A M & Co.]

A M & Co.   23 M   PARIS  

1-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY (back ungilted)  WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
2-  SCOVILL MF'G CO  WATERBURY                       WWI (1850-1865 backmark)
3-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  * WATERBURY *                 1902-1918 (1870s-? backmark)
4-  SCOVILL MF'G CO.  WATERBURY CT.                 WWI (1870s-? backmark)
5-  SCOVILL M'FG CO. WATERBURY (ring of dots)     1902 (1860-1880 backmark)
6-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO.  *                           1849-1965
7-  WATERBURY BUTTON CO. *CONN.*                  pre 1965  
8-  WATERBURY COS INC  CONN                           post 1965
9-  W W W W   (waterbury)                                   modern
10- W.B. CO.
11- CITY BUTTON WORKS - N.Y.-                          WWI   (Erlanger & Liebmann),
12- CITY BUTTON WORKS- NEW YORK-                 1877-1923                  
13- US PRODUCTS CORP
14- R. LIEBMANN MFG CO                                    WWI
15  R. LIEBMANN MFG. CO.-NEWARK NJ-                WWI-?
16- R.L. MFG Co Newark N.J.                                 WWI-?
17- THE AUSTIN CO. PROVIDENCE R.I.
18- HORSTMANN *** PHILA ***                          1893-1935
19- ARNSTEIN SIMON & CO. * S.F. *                     WWI
20- N.S. MEYERS  * NEW YORK *                          1906-2000 (in business in NY)
21- AMERICAN BUTTON CO. *NEWARK N.J.*          1901-1920
22- AM. BUTTON CO *NEWARK, N.J.*                    1902-1917
23- AMERICAN EMBLEM CO.  UTICA N.Y.                WWI
24- UNIQUE ART MFG CO. NEWARK, N. J.
25- THE ART METAL WORKS, NEWARK, N.J.
26- ART METAL WORKS INC -NEWARK, N.J.-          1900-1930 approx.
27- METAL SPECIALTIES Co. ATTLESBURG, MASS.   1940-1945 (painted black)
28- CHAS. FISCHER SPG. CO.  NEW YORK               WWII?
29- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
30- GREENWOOD CO * DETROIT MICH *
31- COL BUT WKS RUTHERFORD N.J.                     WWI  
32- COLUMBIA BUTTON WKS*RUTHERFORD,N.J.*    WWI
33- NEW YORK BUTTON WORKS                            WWI (found in France)
34- S  &  J   WATERBURY CT.                                WWI (found in France)
35- STEELE & JOHNSON * WATERBURY CT *           WWI (found in France)
36- JEWELERS PRODUCTS CORP.  PROV. R.I.           WWI (found in France)
37- SUPREME 172 QUALITY                                  
38- REX PRODUCTS CORP * NEW ROCHELLE, N.Y. *    1902-WWII
39- D. EVANS & CO. * NO. ATTLEBORO, MASS.            1848-1945
40- D. EVANS & CO.      N.A.                                  WWI (found in France)
41- D. EVANS & CO  ATTLEBORO FALLS                  WWI  
42- * SUPERIOR QUALITY *
43- MADE IN ENGLAND  (anodized aluminum front)                                      
44- S. EISENER CO. RED BANK N.J.                         WWI (in business1859-1925)
45- SIGMUND EISNER RED BANK N.J                       WWI  "     "          "       "
46- Art in Buttons  U S   U. S. A. (vegetable ivory)
47- ?  N.Y.   (pressed vegetable ivory)                         war years  
48- C  KENYON CO.  NEW YORK                              WWI- 1930
49- BROOKS.BROTHERS *NEW YORK* ENGLAND        1902-1910.
50- L.A. MYERS. JR. INC. NEWARK N.J.
51- H.V. ALLIEN & CO. NEW YORK
52- DUSENBURY & SCHWAB INC. NEW YORK 229 4TH AVE.
53- LUXENBERG NEW YORK MADE IN ENGLAND
54- ROSENFIELD & RAPKIN * BOSTON, MASS.
55- WARNOCK UNIFORM CO *NEW YORK*   (made from horn)
56- G J & F PARIS
57- H W I SCHWAB INC NEW YORK
58- THE J.E. MERGOTT CO. NEWARK, N. J.
59- JAMES C. DORAN & SONS  PROVIDENCE R.I.
60- CORD 22
61- TIFFANY & CO. MAKERS ** M **  (14K gold blazer)        1907-1947  
62- JACOB REED'S SONS * PHILA. *                   in business 1880-1983
63- A M & Co.   23 M   PARIS
64- S.N. MEYER WASHINGTON D.C.                    in business 1890-1925
65- BADGER MFG. CO.  RACINE, WI.

Another backmark for the list.    This appears to be the best list you will find online for Great Seal button backmarks. Many still to add.       http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,310425.0/topicseen.html