Are there gaming tokens???

Little smaller than a quarter, back side is blank
Made of brass

Tim

pachinco machine tokens.

You could possibly find this on the Zeno Oriental database but, with over 10,000 coins and tokens, I wouldnt know where to start.  http://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=501
I dont even know if its Chinese. If we could get someone to ID the country of the characters would help.

pachinco machine tokens.

Possibly pachinko.  Game/arcade tokens of some kind... 
Your tokens are upside-down in the pic. 
My kanji translating is pretty bad, but I think the first character means or implies "throw".  The second and third mean "person of distinction or skill".
No idea what the other symbol is.  Not kanji.  Maybe a trademark.

DCMatt

Here is some close to it.

http://www.anythinganywhere.com/commerce/exo/chin-suzhouae.htm

pachinco machine tokens.

Possibly pachinko.  Game/arcade tokens of some kind... 
Your tokens are upside-down in the pic. 
My kanji translating is pretty bad, but I think the first character means or implies "throw".  The second and third mean "person of distinction or skill".
No idea what the other symbol is.  Not kanji.  Maybe a trademark.

DCMatt

So it is Japanese? How did you obtain these doublet?

pachinco machine tokens.

Possibly pachinko.  Game/arcade tokens of some kind... 
Your tokens are upside-down in the pic. 
My kanji translating is pretty bad, but I think the first character means or implies "throw".  The second and third mean "person of distinction or skill".
No idea what the other symbol is.  Not kanji.  Maybe a trademark.

DCMatt

So it is Japanese? How did you obtain these doublet?

Can't say 100% for sure it is Japanese, as Japanese and Chinese kanji are basically the same, but I found the characters in my Japanese kanji dictionary.   My impression is that the characters mean "skilled throwing person" - as in throwing dice or other games of chance.  I'm only guessing.  A native speaking person could give you a better idea. 

Keep in mind that the Japanese have automated vending machines for everything from soda pop to socks.  The tokens could be for anything.  You can draw your own conclusion...

Ganbatte kudasai! (Good luck)

DCMatt

Im pretty sure those are Chinese.
There is no Hiragana or Katakana (phonetic Japanese) on those tokens.
Not related to pachinko, either. In Japan, when it comes to action or advertising, you will ALWAYS have some katakana or hiragana, even on the antiques.

... I found the characters in my Japanese kanji dictionary.   My impression is that the characters mean "skilled throwing person" - as in throwing dice or other games of chance.  I'm only guessing.  A native speaking person could give you a better idea. 

What does impression mean?  Did you find this exact character in your book? I wish we could see a pic.


You could send to the Zeno database to get this IDed doublet. I searched but they dont appear to have it.  http://www.zeno.ru/

... I found the characters in my Japanese kanji dictionary.  My impression is that the characters mean "skilled throwing person" - as in throwing dice or other games of chance.  I'm only guessing.  A native speaking person could give you a better idea. 

What does impression mean?  Did you find this exact character in your book? I wish we could see a pic.

Hey, I'm just trying to provide some clues...

Impression means exactly that - impression.  I have studied Japanese, but I am not a native Japanese speaker.  These characters are totally out of context.  All I can do is tell you what I "feel" they might mean based on the meaning of each character. 

The first character means "to throw or cast".  The second and third together mean "character or person".   In Japanese, the first probably pronounced tou (like toe) or na (as in nageru meaning "throw").  I've seen the second and third together pronounced "jinbutsu" (as in kiken jinbutsu or "dangerous person").

But in translation, it isn't always that simple.  There are subtleties in the language and the character combinations that might alter the meaning and/or pronunciation.  Or it might be slang or a name.  I don't know.  Only a native speaker or expert can tell you.

If you want to see a pic, go here: http://www.jp41.com/kanji/nageru.html

http://www.jp41.com/kanji/jin.html

http://www.jp41.com/kanji/butsu.html (it's the second character in the list)

Whether Japanese or Chinese, these characters should mean essentially the same thing.

Good luck.

DCMatt

... I found the characters in my Japanese kanji dictionary.  My impression is that the characters mean "skilled throwing person" - as in throwing dice or other games of chance.  I'm only guessing.  A native speaking person could give you a better idea. 

What does impression mean?  Did you find this exact character in your book? I wish we could see a pic.

Hey, I'm just trying to provide some clues...

Impression means exactly that - impression.  I have studied Japanese, but I am not a native Japanese speaker.  These characters are totally out of context.  All I can do is tell you what I "feel" they might mean based on the meaning of each character. 

The first character means "to throw or cast".  The second and third together mean "character or person".   In Japanese, the first probably pronounced tou (like toe) or na (as in nageru meaning "throw").  I've seen the second and third together pronounced "jinbutsu" (as in kiken jinbutsu or "dangerous person").

But in translation, it isn't always that simple.  There are subtleties in the language and the character combinations that might alter the meaning and/or pronunciation.  Or it might be slang or a name.  I don't know.  Only a native speaker or expert can tell you.

If you want to see a pic, go here: http://www.jp41.com/kanji/nageru.html

http://www.jp41.com/kanji/jin.html

http://www.jp41.com/kanji/butsu.html (it's the second character in the list)

Whether Japanese or Chinese, these characters should mean essentially the same thing.

Good luck.

DCMatt

Thanks Matt. You have been very helpful. I was a little confused when you said quote "Im only guessing."    It was just a misunderstanding on my part. Thanks for the good explanation and links.

Looks right to me.   ...person throws object?

that kanji is not ‘‘person‘‘!!!!! 人　(hito)
It is ‘‘enter‘‘　or ‘‘into‘‘ 入　　(hairu)

throw IN!  Even more interesting and understandable i think!

Is there some type of game where you throw tokens into something?

I heard something about bath house tokens???
You know washy washy 50c,
Don't know how true that is though

Tim

Ive looked at tons of Chinese gaming tokens and peace symbols... Nada.. Where did you find these? Maybe it will help.

that kanji is not ‘‘person‘‘!!!!! 人　(hito)
It is ‘‘enter‘‘　or ‘‘into‘‘ 入　　(hairu)

throw IN!  Even more interesting and understandable i think!

I told you my kanji translation $ucks...    OleDavid boy is correct.  Hairu makes more sense. 

That makes the third character "mono" meaning object or thing.  So it's a "throw into thing" (aka token).  The characters have nothing to do with describing what it might be used for/in.

DCMatt

Where did you find these?

I have had them for a while,, I think a friend gave them to me who was in WW I
Stationed on a ship overseas,
I hunt with him regularly, I ask him if he recognizes them


Tim

Ah So Grasshopper,

They remind me of honorable I-Ching coins used for casting your fortune.
The yang side is the side with the 4 characters
The yin side is the plain side.

Where did you find these?

I have had them for a while,, I think a friend gave them to me who was in WW I
Stationed on a ship overseas,
I hunt with him regularly, I ask him if he recognizes them


Tim

your friend was in WWI?

your friend was in WWI?

Sorry.. mis peck on the key board
I meant::

WW II

I can't get away with nothing around here

LOL!!!!!!!!!

Tim

This one has me curious and should be IDable. You can send it in to Zeno if you wish.  You need a 600 dpi or better scan of front and back with white background.  http://zeno.ru/htm/rules-en.htm

You also need weight in grams and diameter size in mm.

I'll see my friend Monday or Tuesday, And if he can't tell me I will submit it to Zeno
On second thought, I'll submit it anyway, His memory is getting unstable
Thanks for the link and Info

Tim

Hmmmmmmmmmm???
Tried to register on Zeno, and it says New registrations not allowed??
What up with that Big Cy?


Tim

Hmmmmmmmmmm???
Tried to register on Zeno, and it says New registrations not allowed??
What up with that Big Cy?


Tim

Sorry. I didnt know, I never tried. If I get time I will check. http://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=501

Maybe you could send e-mail  Any questions? -> charm@postman.ru

Talked to my friend today that gave me these, and he couldn't remember.
That's nothing new though 
Then I said,, didn't you say they were bath tokens??
And he said yeah, that sounds right.
So for what ever that's worth, and with his memory that may be nothing
So,, It's back to

washy washy 15 cents

Tim

Couldnt get anywhere with Zeno?

OK BigCy,  It's in Zeno's hands now, We will see,, Said he never seen one like it before

Tim

http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=66577

OK BigCy,  It's in Zeno's hands now, We will see,, Said he never seen one like it before

Tim

http://www.zeno.ru/showphoto.php?photo=66577

very cool.  very good pics.

that kanji is not ‘‘person‘‘!!!!! 人　(hito)
It is ‘‘enter‘‘　or ‘‘into‘‘ 入　　(hairu)

throw IN!  Even more interesting and understandable i think!

Isnt kanji read from top to bottom; right to left? 

                            into

                 throw             object or something


so it may say: into object throw. 


I guess its about the same either way.   It appears to be instructions to throw this token into something.