EXTREMELY RARE - HENRY I - NORMAN PENNY! - UPDATED - SCAN ADDED

[Henry ICirca 1119]

It doesn't get much rarer than this one!

Henry I
Circa 1119

Only 4 coins recorded at this mint.  This is the ONLY 1 of this type at this mint.

This period was full of plated fakes, so they often turn up bent to test them or cut.  Due to the broken coins & the fact some where rejected a decree was made that all coins were 'snicked' with a cut before they left the mint.  Mine has this tiny snick.

What is amazing about this coin, other than the condition (its better in the hand) is the extra large flan which at a time of silver shortage would have made it very over-weight.  See the picture of it next to the ones in the book & notice the size difference   Anyone could have easily cut this one down to proper size & lived for 1 week of the cutting!  So how this ended up lost in such amazing condition, I'll never know!

For those interested in value, I could pretty much name my price (not that I ever will), but about $1000.

I have said a few times this year that I wanted a good shortcross but this is a find of a lifetime!

UPDATED:
The mint was very thoroughly studied in an article published in 1999, where there were recorded four types for this moneyer in the reign of Henry I. No other types had been recorded since 1999, but this is now another type to add to the list.

Above is part of an email I just recieved, so as I thought, its pretty damn rare.  WHOOHOOO.......

SCANNED IMAGES ADDED

Another super find Crusader, congrats man.

HH Charlie

Sweet coin

Banner!!!!!

oh s###! i'd love to have seen the look on your face if i had found that

nice find mate

Great find!!!!!

Wow. Being from the US, I don't think I can quite grip the magnitude of your find, but from what I can understand, it sounds amazing! I'd say it deserves banner  

Congrats Cru, if YOU say it is extremely rare, than that is something, so my vote is in that it is a Banner of a find! 

Don

  You Devil!

   I'll say Banner!   

oh s###! i'd love to have seen the look on your face if i had found that

nice find mate

Yeah, Dad was my right hand wingman, as normal.  I only passed over it once, & looked down & saw it looking up at me.  I said to Dad 'look at that one on the top', we both looked closely at the strange shortcross & picked it up.  At first I thought it was a Saxon Penny, so I was making some interesting sounds.  Then I read 'HENRICVS' & realised it was a Henry I, so the mood soften slightly.  I thought it was properly a rare coin worth just over £100 & couldn't wait to get it home for an ID.  When we found out that its much rarer than the average Saxon Coin I was picked up again where I'm still obiting the planet zingtong.  I'm off for a drink

did you know what it was when you first got it?

by the way i'm not voting

did you know what it was when you first got it?

by the way i'm not voting

I almost feel like voting myself   I can't believe it.

[You are the man]

Wow. Being from the US, I don't think I can quite grip the magnitude of your find, but from what I can understand, it sounds amazing! I'd say it deserves banner  

Sound like you did it again,Congrats on the banner as well you deserve it.
You are the man

fortbball9

  that was quick!!!!

Amazing Find.  Congrats and thanks for showing us this rare coin.

DM

Thanks everyone for the banner

Its funny how this field has been bottom of the pile as it produces very little.  Yet when we are forced to do these harder fields, a gem like this is pops up!  Thats why you have to stick with the system & all will come good...evenually

I can't even begin to imagine what that is like.  Congratulations on a great find and banner. 
Randy

that was quick!!!!

I think Marc just put an automatic link between Crusaders posts and the banner, LOL

Congratulations on the banner Crusader.  I think it is well-deserved because you appear to hunt hard all of the time.  Well done!

Congratulations on the banner Crusader.  I think it is well-deserved because you appear to hunt hard all of the time.  Well done!

Thanks,  I hunt as hard as my body allows (& some ).  I often go back to work refreshed & ready to go

   
        Crusader , Fantastic find !   Any idea what that coin could have puchased in its day ?  and the various hammered

        silvers you find - what would the buying power have been for some of those in their respective days as well ?

             Thanks for the amazing inspiration -   Argentium.

Congrats on your BANNER find! Looks to be in great shape for a 900 year old coin!

Very cool!  We can only dream of finds that old on this side of the Atlantic!

Congratulations!
Neil

   
        Crusader , Fantastic find !   Any idea what that coin could have puchased in its day ?  and the various hammered

        silvers you find - what would the buying power have been for some of those in their respective days as well ?

             Thanks for the amazing inspiration -   Argentium.

If I remember correctly, it would buy about 2 sheep.  So its worth in todays terms 2 sheep

   
        Crusader , Fantastic find !   Any idea what that coin could have puchased in its day ?  and the various hammered

        silvers you find - what would the buying power have been for some of those in their respective days as well ?

             Thanks for the amazing inspiration -   Argentium.

If I remember correctly, it would buy about 2 sheep.  So its worth in todays terms 2 sheep

baaaaaah!!

that was quick!!!!

I think Marc just put an automatic link between Crusaders posts and the banner, LOL

 Maybe also add a continuous  beer funnel into his mouth. 

that was quick!!!!

I think Marc just put an automatic link between Crusaders posts and the banner, LOL

 Maybe also add a continuous  beer funnel into his mouth. 

i think somebody did that to me about three days ago

That's a well deserved banner find for sure. If they had a "best of the banner" section , that one would be right at the top. Congrats on that awesome find. See ya next time.
DANGLANGLEY

that was quick!!!!

I think Marc just put an automatic link between Crusaders posts and the banner, LOL

 Maybe also add a continuous  beer funnel into his mouth. 

i think somebody did that to me about three days ago

   Shaun, we have something here called a CROSSCHECK... Learn it... and use it!    (He must be stopped)

Nicely done!! I'm happy for you!

that was quick!!!!

I think Marc just put an automatic link between Crusaders posts and the banner, LOL

 Maybe also add a continuous  beer funnel into his mouth. 

i think somebody did that to me about three days ago

   Shaun, we have something here called a CROSSCHECK... Learn it... and use it!    (He must be stopped)

will it stop me drinking beer

I cannot stop staring at it.  Beautiful.

[Henry ICirca 1119]

It doesn't get much rarer than this one!

Henry I
Circa 1119

Only 4 coins recorded at this mint.  This is the ONLY 1 of this type at this mint (soon to be recorded!).

This period was full of plated fakes, so they often turn up bent to test them or cut.  Due to the broken coins & the fact some where rejected a decree was made that all coins were 'snicked' with a cut before they left the mint.  Mine has this tiny snick.

Was is amazing about this coin, other than the condition (its better in the hand) is the extra large flan which at a time of silver shortage would have made it very over-weight.  See the picture of it next to the ones in the book & notice the size difference   Anyone could have easily cut this one down to proper size & lived for 1 week of the cutting!  So how this ended up lost in such amazing condition, I'll never know!

For those interested in value, I could pretty much name my price (not that I ever will), but about $1000.

I have said a few times this year that I wanted a good shortcross but this is a find of a lifetime!

Nice one crusader Spink 1273. very good find think at least £700.

that was quick!!!!

I think Marc just put an automatic link between Crusaders posts and the banner, LOL

 Maybe also add a continuous  beer funnel into his mouth. 

i think somebody did that to me about three days ago

   Shaun, we have something here called a CROSSCHECK... Learn it... and use it!    (He must be stopped)

will it stop me drinking beer

 
  No, it's Canadian, it's part of it. 

  Works like this...  You crosscheck him, dig the coin yourself, then have a beer.   

[Henry ICirca 1119]

It doesn't get much rarer than this one!

Henry I
Circa 1119

Only 4 coins recorded at this mint.  This is the ONLY 1 of this type at this mint.

This period was full of plated fakes, so they often turn up bent to test them or cut.  Due to the broken coins & the fact some where rejected a decree was made that all coins were 'snicked' with a cut before they left the mint.  Mine has this tiny snick.

What is amazing about this coin, other than the condition (its better in the hand) is the extra large flan which at a time of silver shortage would have made it very over-weight.  See the picture of it next to the ones in the book & notice the size difference   Anyone could have easily cut this one down to proper size & lived for 1 week of the cutting!  So how this ended up lost in such amazing condition, I'll never know!

For those interested in value, I could pretty much name my price (not that I ever will), but about $1000.

I have said a few times this year that I wanted a good shortcross but this is a find of a lifetime!

Nice one crusader Spink 1273. very good find think at least £700.

Thanks,  I couldn't believe my luck.  This area had been covered just before the rape went in, so no change of conditions (ie ploughing).  I was only expecting the odd roman coin which I missed with the Cortes, but to get it sitting on the top, just makes me wonder how badly we did it last time.

that was quick!!!!

I think Marc just put an automatic link between Crusaders posts and the banner, LOL

 Maybe also add a continuous  beer funnel into his mouth. 

i think somebody did that to me about three days ago

   Shaun, we have something here called a CROSSCHECK... Learn it... and use it!    (He must be stopped)

will it stop me drinking beer

 
  No, it's Canadian, it's part of it. 

  Works like this...  You crosscheck him, dig the coin yourself, then have a beer.   

did you know, he actually threatens me with physical violence if i were to find a coin like that!!!

he's not the great bloke you all think he is!

That is amazing. Congratulations

 Nice find Crusader i have tears in my eye`s.
You guy`s get all the old silver and fun not to include the cross checking .

 Last time i was over there they didn`t have beer funnels in Pubs.
I guess i missed the funnels by about 30 years.
Bill

Another freat find Cru...I was wondering when you would be returning to the banner!!!

Another freat find Cru...I was wondering when you would be returning to the banner!!!

yeah, my 1800 gold coin wasn't good enough, so I tried harder

Cru,
Your ship has come in big time!!!  Congrats on a well deserved BANNER find.  Long live the King!!!! 
-MM-

hi crusader,

awesome find. you are great hunter. go get more now.

henry

We surrender! Amazing stuff, as always.

CONGRATS SUPER FIND.

Whatever you got Cru......You know me,CW.........Congrat's  

WELL DONE MATE.

Once again you amaze me crusader. 

This is the ONLY 1 of this type at this mint.

That means that I can beyond a shadow of a doubt say that this is a "unique" find for you, Mr. Dugfinds Sir.   


Incredible. 


I'm having a drink myself in your honor tonight, my friend. 



Best Wishes,



Buckles

What an awesome find

Awesome find!!! Congrats   As soon as I saw it on the banner, I said to myself, that's got to be Crusader with another sweet find that is gonna make me drool....and it was and it did!!!   Nice job and congrats once again on another find that turns us all green with envy...

   A hearty congratulations to you, my friend!!     Wow what a magnificent find!

Cheers!! 

Steve

BIG WELDONE ON THE H1 very rare as you say and nearly always very crude, I think you might have undervalued it yours is a very good example.Spink 1273-B.M.C.12 small profile/cross and annulets type....... F£475....VF£1250 

Is this your first Norman penny once again weldone

BIG WELDONE ON THE H1 very rare as you say and nearly always very crude, I think you might have undervalued it yours is a very good example.Spink 1273-B.M.C.12 small profile/cross and annulets type....... F£475....VF£1250 

Is this your first Norman penny once again weldone

Yes it my first Norman penny of any King.  The fields in this area never normally produce anything older than King John.  So its a real shock.

UPDATE in original post.

This is what its all about for me   Increasing our collective knowledge & rewriting history!

WTG!!  That's definitely a 'find of a lifetime'....HUGE Congrats!!! 

Thanks for sharing and HH,
~Hank

WTG!!  That's definitely a 'find of a lifetime'....HUGE Congrats!!! 

Thanks for sharing and HH,
~Hank

Thanks, I'm still buzzing, & ready to hit the field again in 10 minutes or so.  Not expecting a lot after this, as it will be pay back time for awhile.

i hope you sell it. i know i would if was taht rare. you dont want someone stealing it from you.

henry

Well done matey....

What a sweet addition to your collection. Just an awesome find

Congratulations, Crusader!!!.... I'd say that is a Susan Boyle Magic Moment... Rarity, Beauty, and Feels Good..... May you have many more.

Crusader...I can;t help but coming back to this post and staring at that coin in awe and envy...Amazing the history you can dig over there. Heck, here I get excited if I dig something 200 years old and you can dig stuff over there THOUSANDS of years old.  I think it;s time I go visit my relatives in Great Yarmouth and bring my detector and claim my share of old coinage my ancestors lost....

Truly one of a kind.

Crusader, like I have been saying,
you are the treasure hunting god !!!

Beautiful find. 

   I've just finished my new line of shirts. The first is for you. 

Super dig, congrats.
JDD

   I've just finished my new line of shirts. The first is for you. 

  excellent work!

great campaign, i'm in!!!!

Great coin Crusader!!!! Congrats

Wow, and 890 year old coin in that great of shape!!!!
Congrats on the Banner Cru!!!!  Hope you find many more!!

Put me down for one of those shirts....
What part of the country are you in crusader?

Awesome!!
Super congratulations on your unique find!
Thanks for the history info.
HH

John

   I've just finished my new line of shirts. The first is for you. 

  excellent work!

great campaign, i'm in!!!!

I think I will get one for my Dad, he seems to need it

   I've just finished my new line of shirts. The first is for you. 

  excellent work!

great campaign, i'm in!!!!

I think I will get one for my Dad, he seems to need it

it must be tough on your dad! its bad enough for me occasionally

   I've just finished my new line of shirts. The first is for you. 

  excellent work!

great campaign, i'm in!!!!

I think I will get one for my Dad, he seems to need it

it must be tough on your dad! its bad enough for me occasionally

Very tough, when he's always 2 sideways steps away.  He says, he can only find what he goes over & I get all the good runs.  I know its a little of this & a lot of the XP powers

CRUSADER, Congrats on the rare penny!! Banner!!!

                                           HH Joe

Very nice congrats

New scanned images added to 1st post, showing more detail.

i see what you mean about the clipping and the extra silver!

does that mean it was a newish coin when lost?

i see what you mean about the clipping and the extra silver!

does that mean it was a newish coin when lost?

Its hard to know how much is wear & how much is a weak strike (which we common in this period).  I would still think that if it where in circulation for very long someone would have clipped it, as it would easily pass if they had.

I have done some further research, & I was wrong about it being over weight (although much bigger than the book 1:1 pictures).  Its not the heaviest in its class, but its not light either.  Its above average.  They vary from 0.90g-1.50g (mine being 1.35g). ie. average 1.2g

i see what you mean about the clipping and the extra silver!

does that mean it was a newish coin when lost?

Its hard to know how much is wear & how much is a weak strike (which we common in this period).  I would still think that if it where in circulation for very long someone would have clipped it, as it would easily pass if they had.

I have done some further research, & I was wrong about it being over weight (although much bigger than the book 1:1 pictures).  Its not the heaviest in its class, but its not light either.  Its above average.  They vary from 0.90g-1.50g (mine being 1.35g). ie. average 1.2g

so would coins have been clipped at the mint if overweight?

i see what you mean about the clipping and the extra silver!

does that mean it was a newish coin when lost?

Its hard to know how much is wear & how much is a weak strike (which we common in this period).  I would still think that if it where in circulation for very long someone would have clipped it, as it would easily pass if they had.

I have done some further research, & I was wrong about it being over weight (although much bigger than the book 1:1 pictures).  Its not the heaviest in its class, but its not light either.  Its above average.  They vary from 0.90g-1.50g (mine being 1.35g). ie. average 1.2g

so would coins have been clipped at the mint if overweight?

I'm not sure of the production of these.  But later coin blanks were struck without needing a 'trim' after.  The crude shape of this looks post striking but I guess it could be done before.

The type of clipping I was referring to was the illegal type done by the public, the type of offence that if caught would get your hand cut off.

Not to be confused with the 'snick' which is the tiny cut done at the mint.

i see what you mean about the clipping and the extra silver!

does that mean it was a newish coin when lost?

Its hard to know how much is wear & how much is a weak strike (which we common in this period).  I would still think that if it where in circulation for very long someone would have clipped it, as it would easily pass if they had.

I have done some further research, & I was wrong about it being over weight (although much bigger than the book 1:1 pictures).  Its not the heaviest in its class, but its not light either.  Its above average.  They vary from 0.90g-1.50g (mine being 1.35g). ie. average 1.2g

so would coins have been clipped at the mint if overweight?

I'm not sure of the production of these.  But later coin blanks were struck without needing a 'trim' after.  The crude shape of this looks post striking but I guess it could be done before.

The type of clipping I was referring to was the illegal type done by the public, the type of offence that if caught would get your hand cut off.

Not to be confused with the 'snick' which is the tiny cut done at the mint.

so.....clipping, cutting and snicking are all different?

was cutting illegal

i see what you mean about the clipping and the extra silver!

does that mean it was a newish coin when lost?

Its hard to know how much is wear & how much is a weak strike (which we common in this period).  I would still think that if it where in circulation for very long someone would have clipped it, as it would easily pass if they had.

I have done some further research, & I was wrong about it being over weight (although much bigger than the book 1:1 pictures).  Its not the heaviest in its class, but its not light either.  Its above average.  They vary from 0.90g-1.50g (mine being 1.35g). ie. average 1.2g

so would coins have been clipped at the mint if overweight?

I'm not sure of the production of these.  But later coin blanks were struck without needing a 'trim' after.  The crude shape of this looks post striking but I guess it could be done before.

The type of clipping I was referring to was the illegal type done by the public, the type of offence that if caught would get your hand cut off.

Not to be confused with the 'snick' which is the tiny cut done at the mint.

so.....clipping, cutting and snicking are all different?

was cutting illegal

Cutting (sometimes as much as 1/3rd in towards the centre of the coin) to test if it was plated was done by the public/merchants.  Not sure if it was illegal (but I guess so), it was fairly common practice by people who had no faith in the terrible coinage at the time.  So if it were cut & real, I guess most would accept the coin based on the fact there were far worst out there.  However, if they were badly damaged then I'm sure some people would not accept them.

See there? If you HAD come to detect w/me you might not have found it! So it worked out!
And where might someone find this banner that everyone talks about? I'd like to see it.

Steve

And where might someone find this banner that everyone talks about? I'd like to see it.

Steve

Steve, seriously?  Its at the top, maybe your firewall is blocking it   or is it a joke, that a limey doesn't get?

Actually $1000 sounds too cheap. If it is as rare as you say, it may be worth way higher. I would contact the Smithsonian if i were you as they may  be very interested. Let them make an offer.

itmaiden

i see what you mean about the clipping and the extra silver!

does that mean it was a newish coin when lost?

Its hard to know how much is wear & how much is a weak strike (which we common in this period).  I would still think that if it where in circulation for very long someone would have clipped it, as it would easily pass if they had.

I have done some further research, & I was wrong about it being over weight (although much bigger than the book 1:1 pictures).  Its not the heaviest in its class, but its not light either.  Its above average.  They vary from 0.90g-1.50g (mine being 1.35g). ie. average 1.2g

so would coins have been clipped at the mint if overweight?

I'm not sure of the production of these.  But later coin blanks were struck without needing a 'trim' after.  The crude shape of this looks post striking but I guess it could be done before.

The type of clipping I was referring to was the illegal type done by the public, the type of offence that if caught would get your hand cut off.

Not to be confused with the 'snick' which is the tiny cut done at the mint.

so.....clipping, cutting and snicking are all different?

was cutting illegal

Cutting (sometimes as much as 1/3rd in towards the centre of the coin) to test if it was plated was done by the public/merchants.  Not sure if it was illegal (but I guess so), it was fairly common practice by people who had no faith in the terrible coinage at the time.  So if it were cut & real, I guess most would accept the coin based on the fact there were far worst out there.  However, if they were badly damaged then I'm sure some people would not accept them.

so who cut them in to halves and quaters  and what was that called?

See there? If you HAD come to detect w/me you might not have found it! So it worked out!
And where might someone find this banner that everyone talks about? I'd like to see it.

Steve

 

WOW! Congratulations on a find of a lifetime! Makes me want to get back out there myself. You worked hard for it!

Actually $1000 sounds too cheap. If it is as rare as you say, it may be worth way higher. I would contact the Smithsonian if i were you as they may  be very interested. Let them make an offer.

itmaiden

The valuation was a guess prior to its full ID.  Its priceless to me, but as you say, way over my first stab.  Not interested in selling it for the money, I may sell it to a museum for less than its worth to keep it in good company.

Yes you have beat my 1945 penny I dug today...........   Mindblowing dig!!! CONGRATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

another banner.....you guys are BEASTS when it comes to the really old stuff...i am so jealous

Looks like the year has been very kind to you and your Dad and I sure hope it continues, might shatter some of your record years!!  Congrats on the rare coin!

Looks like the year has been very kind to you and your Dad and I sure hope it continues, might shatter some of your record years!!  Congrats on the rare coin!

thanks

there is no doubt in my mind that this will be our best year ever

Stunning find... Big Congrats to you mate! 

Stunning find... Big Congrats to you mate! 

Cheers, I blame it on my obsession.  Permission + Time Spent = Reward

Now get out there & get yours

That coin is beautiful. Congrats on your hard work and you wonderful research.

Stunning find... Big Congrats to you mate! 

Cheers, I blame it on my obsession.  Permission + Time Spent = Reward

Now get out there & get yours

Crusader..you are right on about needing to spend the time out hunting...however you seem to be rewarded for that time somewhat better than the rest of us!!!  Which is the result of one thing you left out...location, location, location!!! 

excellent find...well done  ...way to go on the banner

Stunning find... Big Congrats to you mate! 

Cheers, I blame it on my obsession.  Permission + Time Spent = Reward

Now get out there & get yours

Crusader..you are right on about needing to spend the time out hunting...however you seem to be rewarded for that time somewhat better than the rest of us!!!  Which is the result of one thing you left out...location, location, location!!! 

Your right, I live in an historic area.  Far from the best in the UK, but just above average.  However, this field has been one of our lowest priorities & we would never be bothered by competition on this difficult area.  So, we are not picky about hitting any land we have permission for, many UKers would leave well alone.