old "LONG LIVE THE PRESIDENT" button, could it be...

every time i'm out for a walk with a detector, and get skunked, i swing by my favorite old house site, and try to pull out something non-ferrous before calling it a day. got this button earlier in the week with the SE w/ pro coil. read like a screw cap, but i dig everything at this site. haven't pulled a coin younger than 1809 from this site, so it may be safe to assume that this button is referring to GW himself. no backmark...

three of the large cents are from my general ramblings this week with detector in hand.

the shield nickel and the draped bust large cent were pleasant surprises. there's an old, iron-infested road grade that i've pounded with the dfx and the se w/ pro coil up to the point that there are no longer any non-ferrous signals to be found. last night i put a 5" coil on the se, and worked a 10'x40' section really slow for over an hour. this site has produced three or four fatty IH's, and nothing else, so i dig anything that even hints that it's non-ferrous. only got two decent signals amidst the iron. the first was the nickel, and it rang and registered on the cross-hairs as a nickel, but was only an inch deep, so i was thinking i was gonna be pulling up a recent jefferson. imagine my surprise to see a shield nickel emerge from the dirt. 1869, still in the grass roots, and on a well-drained hill, so very nicely preserved. sweet! half an hour later, and ten feet away, i got another non-ferrous signal that sounded more like aluminum slaw or deep lead, and was astounded to to see a large copper disc pop up out of the hole, only three inches deep. most LC's come out of the ground here in upstate NY pretty toasty, but this one is one of the least-porrous i've seen. figures that it would be totally worn out, heh heh.  i've dug 50-or-so large cents in the last year-and-a-half, some pushing a foot in depth, and have been fairly certain of what i was digging every time. this is the first that caught me off-guard. strange what iron and a different coil will do...

I'll bet that President button is something nice.

I'm looking it up right now for ya.  I believe you hit paydirt. 

Congratulations...Number 13 ....Small wreath.   Banner button my friend.  Awesome..  Might be 14 on the list.  I can't tell if it has a star or not.  Here see for yourself...

http://moscow2.pld.com/kirk/CobbGW/scratchplate.jpg

Look at button 13 or 14 on that link. 

George Washington or John Adams I believe.  Great find!!! I hope someone can jump in with exact info.  BANNER in my opinion!!!

Man O' Man Dwayne you got some great finds there especially the button awesome!!!  

every time i'm out for a walk with a detector, and get skunked, i swing by my favorite old house site, and try to pull out something non-ferrous before calling it a day. got this button earlier in the week with the SE w/ pro coil. read like a screw cap, but i dig everything at this site. haven't pulled a coin younger than 1809 from this site, so it may be safe to assume that this button is referring to GW himself. no backmark...

Its entirely possible. It sounds very similar to slogans used by the British for their king/queen. In fact some people wanted to refer to the president as "His Magesty" But it was Washington himself (always the modest one) who said that he wanted to be referred to as simply "Mr. President"

Might wanna have that one professionally preserved. 










Oh Yeah Banner ! 

$5000 or $14000 dollar button.  Congratulations on that find.  You got my heart beatin fast here.  Man.  Awesome. 

Congrats! You have found a George Washington inaugural button, with some of the Gilt still intact!!!  Very high on every ones list!!!!

Banner find for sure!

Neil

OMG....Can you say BANNER???    I think you can. That is one sweet find. Congrats big time   Get that baby preserved properly and drooool all day over it....         jgas

Awesome find.  Heres a similar one,   if not identical.    http://forum.treasurenet.com/whites/index.php/topic,16763.0.html

Spectacular find!!! Great hunt.
I just found my first shield nickel this weekend (1869 too).
Congratulations!
Definitely BANNER!!

That's fantastic...what a find.
Congratulations!

dwayne sueno is going to soil himself when he comes back here and finds how SWEET his discovery was. BANNER!!!

um, gosh guys, i was pretty excited, but i had no idea...
thanks for the research, zaxfire and others!
i believe i have "soiled" myself, in more ways than one!

Yeah that's a nice one

Definitely not skunked this hunt

Banner!!!!

UNBELIEVEABLE FINDS!!
Super Congrats on that button!
You must have some heck of a spot!
Happy Hunting!!

John

CONGRATS on an amazing find!  what a piece of history. Just awesome! congrats again. best of luck and HH

:AWESOME BUTTON
:BANNER

fortbball9

Banner, but I still hate you!

 Killer button and will clean up great if done PROPERLY. (But it's pretty darn good as is)

 Banner!

iron patch, i like your CAPITALIZATION. (i know what you mean.) dwayne

Super nice !!   You have my vote for BANNER !!

                                               VPR

Wow, my kind of site! Please do not clean that! lol I would love to find one of those buttons

iron patch, i like your CAPITALIZATION. (i know what you mean.) dwayne

  There's probably gilt under all the letters and design but you have to slowly test it, because if there's not you will make it worse not better.  Bringing out a little more gilt, and leaving a little green and that button will look awesome. But as good as it is I don't think you should be in a rush to do anything especially if you don't have years of experience (or enough confidence). Anyway, enough about that, did I say Banner. 

   

iron patch-

that button has seen nothing but the tiniest bit of water to rinse the dirt away. don't have ANY plans beyond that. if the button turns out to be worth anything, i will turn it over to the owners of the land where i found it, with recommendations on what to do with it. they have been very generous over the last two years, and i hope that if this piece turns out to be a collectors item, i can help them with their interests, as they have helped mine. thanks, dwayne

Great find!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iron patch-

that button has seen nothing but the tiniest bit of water to rinse the dirt away. don't have ANY plans beyond that. if the button turns out to be worth anything, i will turn it over to the owners of the land where i found it, with recommendations on what to do with it. they have been very generous over the last two years, and i hope that if this piece turns out to be a collectors item, i can help them with their interests, as they have helped mine. thanks, dwayne

   I think you have a very good find, wish I could tell you more about rarity, or guess at the value, but it's something you really need to hear from an expert.  We'll all be waiting to hear how it goes.

13a-----Small wreath and copper. The one in Harold Cobb's Collection sold for $5,250 but it was in considerably better condition. I'm sure yours would bring at least 1/2 of that or $3,000 at auction. Congratulations and My Banner vote is in!

13a-----Small wreath and copper. The one in Harold Cobb's Collection sold for $5,250 but it was in considerably better condition. I'm sure yours would bring at least 1/2 of that or $3,000 at auction. Congratulations and My Banner vote is in!

 
  Cobb's may not be that much better other than some surface pitting because of this one being dug. The one above looks like all the design and letters may be gilt under the corrosion.  What I do think could be the difference is having all the big players at the Cobb auction when the other sold, and the fact it was part of his collection.

This belongs up top.   

That's a very special find.  Congrats.

Very nice!  Looking at it carefully with the link that zaxfire has,it looks like number 13. The beginning of "LONG" and the end of the word "PRESIDENT" are much closer together than in number 14.

Congrats!

Congrats on your find. That is one that we all dream about for sure!!

I resist the urge of overwhelming jealousy to say High Five and cogratulations, Wait for the right buyer if your gonna sell it.

You are in detector heaven. All the sudden that other stuff you found looks like junk. Congratulations
on the find of a lifetime. This is the best hobby in the universe.

I resist the urge of overwhelming jealousy to say High Five and cogratulations, Wait for the right buyer if your gonna sell it.

   I just bought it for $250.

 

very nice button.  Great find.

Congratulations on a great button find!!!! 

A while back a member of the South Jersey Metal Detecting Club found one, I have not compared it to yours side by side but I do know that my one contact who worked for two auction houses (Stacks and ANR) in previous years looked at this button and said they are not in demand as much by the top collectors anymore, since i believe he said there was a bunch found (non-dug) and that sort of killed the rarity for great conditioned ones.  I no longer have his email do to a very recent computer crash but I am fairly certain I am remembering correctly.  I just would not like to see you severely disappointed by those quoting high values when in fact it might be much lower, so it is better to under think value than over think, believe me, I know that for a fact and so do some others here who have gone the auction route..........(Dealing privately works out better in many cases).

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,56858.0.html

Don

OK, just read about your intentions of turning over to the property owner once you get proper information on it. BRAVO,  a great payback that I am sure will be welcomed, but all the more to get a very realistic valuation, so they don't get overly excited and then somewhat disappointed.

[God bless our veterans! Thank you for your sacrifices!]

Amazing find!!!  Congrats on it and on making the banner! 

I take my hat off to you for giving it back to the property owners.

That's an amazing piece of history!

Congratulations on the Banner!

if the button turns out to be worth anything, i will turn it over to the owners of the land where i found it, with recommendations on what to do with it. they have been very generous over the last two years, and i hope that if this piece turns out to be a collectors item, i can help them with their interests, as they have helped mine

Highest possible praise from here, not for the button, but for YOUR attitude.

Yes the button is great, and I don't know enough to recommend banner but believe most of the folks who have keyed in on this one.  Any find of 5K or so has to be a banner candidate. 

But, your response above gets all the banners and stars that I can provide.   Great, great, attitude and one that more of us should share!   Thanks for representing our hobby in it's best possible light!

Congratulations on a great button find!!!! 

A while back a member of the South Jersey Metal Detecting Club found one, I have not compared it to yours side by side but I do know that my one contact who worked for two auction houses (Stacks and ANR) in previous years looked at this button and said they are not in demand as much by the top collectors anymore, since i believe he said there was a bunch found (non-dug) and that sort of killed the rarity for great conditioned ones.  I no longer have his email do to a very recent computer crash but I am fairly certain I am remembering correctly.  I just would not like to see you severely disappointed by those quoting high values when in fact it might be much lower, so it is better to under think value than over think, believe me, I know that for a fact and so do some others here who have gone the auction route..........(Dealing privately works out better in many cases).

Maybe you should jump on Iron Patch's offer of $250, and run with it!

hi dwayne sueno,

you sir found a find of a lifetime. i will find one this year. i can feel it. go get more now.

henry

WOW!!!!

Great finds! That button is unbelievable!!!

Congrats! Banner for sure!

Congrats dwayne !! I can relate to the thrill of finding a GW inaugural 

Very noble to present such a rare find to the land owners , I'm sure they will be 'blown away!!'

I applaude & salute you !!

Great find 

That looks awesome up on the banner!!!
I'd love to see what it looks like in real-life!!!
Kudos!! Great Job!!

very cool

Nice piece of history you've found! congrats!

thanks for the love everyone.

i will shortly be making some display cases and mapping out my finds from the last year and a half from the house site where i found this button. so far i've pulled around 15 large cents, 6 or 7 infantry buttons from the war of 1812, and lots of tombacs and unmarked buttons, relics, etc. a dream metal detecting site, and now my standard for all other sites. hope to have the display done by the end of spring, and will present the display, with maps and an essay, to the owners of the property. will post my results in the "best finds" section when it's ready.

 i may be a sham archeologist, but, alas, i can't help myself.  HH, dwayne

hi dwayne,

have you done research on the house site yet? you might be able to figure out more about the person living there during the time the old pennys and relics were being lost.

henry

henry,

i have done some research on the house site. i'm pretty sure i know the name of the fellow that lived there, and also believe he built the house i'm living in now. seemed to have been a fairly well-to-do fellow.

the family that owns the property thought that there had been an old house near where i found the site, but almost all the signs are gone now, unless one is really looking for them. a newer driveway bisects the area, and alot of the site soil has been plowed for the last two hundred years.

the good news is that the site is well-enough removed from modern interaction that there are almost no recent metal artifacts in the vicinity. a few bullets, but that's about it.

amazing that it is still producing...  HH, dwayne

     Fantastic find.........I am still searching for mine!  Been close but yet so far away............lolol    WTG

henry,

i have done some research on the house site. i'm pretty sure i know the name of the fellow that lived there, and also believe he built the house i'm living in now. seemed to have been a fairly well-to-do fellow.

the family that owns the property thought that there had been an old house near where i found the site, but almost all the signs are gone now, unless one is really looking for them. a newer driveway bisects the area, and alot of the site soil has been plowed for the last two hundred years.

the good news is that the site is well-enough removed from modern interaction that there are almost no recent metal artifacts in the vicinity. a few bullets, but that's about it.

amazing that it is still producing...  HH, dwayne

hi dwayne,

from the research when was the fellers house built? i am talking about the one that is in the field now. im looking forward to the total finds picture from the site.

henry

That is awesome...so is this website. Glad I found it.

LD

I FIND OF A LIFE TIME. CONGRATS.

Congrats on the BUTTON and Congrats on the Banner!  Very, very cool! 

henry,

the "newer" house nearby was completed in 1815. dwayne

congrats on that banner find,
it is an awesome button !!!

I'm not exactly sure how I missed this post, but i'm glad i've had a chance to see the button and read thru the comments. You certainly have made a rare and special find, one that most of us will only daydream about. You have done the right thing by leaving it alone, could you imagine if you would have scrubbed the gilt off!. And your willingness to give the button to the property owners makes us, and our hobby look great. Fantastic find, enjoy the banner because its well deserved.

James.
HomesteadHunter.

 An honor to read this post and learn about the banner button and the type of person who found it.
 Congratulations on a well deserved find.

TnMountains

banner for sure!

Congrats on the Banner Find!!! Your other finds aren't to shabby either!!! WTG 

                                                                                        HH Joe

I don't know what you found but sounds kind of good Congrats on a rare find ,and making the BANNER

Wow. Who cares what it's worth, the history of something like that is unmatched. Congratulations, and kudos to you for what you've done for this hobby.
Steve

Congratulations on the button and banner.

Great Find!  Thanks for sharing.

hi,
 congrats. obviously you know this is listed in alberts record of american uniform buttons on page 394 as an r5. r5 buttons means that at the time of writing the book 6 to 10 were know. to give you an idea of value the 1913 v nickel with 6 know sold for $1,840,000.00 in 2008. bob@northeast metal detectors

wow! BANNER Congrat!

Banner Bump!

Dwayne, you are da man!  I search for one of these on every hunt, but I have come home empty-handed every time!  I think it is time to update your avatar.

Kyle

Very nice bunch of finds there. 

As a political collector, I really envy you the chance to find inaugural items for old George.  Even in the shape of your item, it is still a great find.  WTG