Outlaw cache buried eight feet deep?

I have a question for those of you that have found "outlaw caches".

I am working on a lead for an outlaw cache. Without giving you too much information, here is the story:

The outlaw is running from the posse.
He makes it to a point in which his pack horse gives out.
Keeping in mind that this guy is alone, he now digs a hole eight feet deep, to stash his loot.
He then leaves certain markers so that he can come back later and find his ill gotten booty.

My question is, how/why would someone on the run and by themselves, take the time and effort to dig a 8' hole?

Timberwolf

I have a question for those of you that have found "outlaw caches".

I am working on a lead for an outlaw cache. Without giving you too much information, here is the story:

The outlaw is running from the posse.
He makes it to a point in which his pack horse gives out.
Keeping in mind that this guy is alone, he now digs a hole eight feet deep, to stash his loot.
He then leaves certain markers so that he can come back later and find his ill gotten booty.

My question is, how/why would someone on the run and by themselves, take the time and effort to dig a 8' hole?

Timberwolf

I Have to agree with you

Unless he was Superman
 Or was Carrying a Pick & Shovel with him & liked digging deep holes
Fast.

(Remember he would be Planning
on Filling it in & Digging it Back up Later)

It would Definately be Shallow in my opinion.
& Under a rock to hide the fresh Diggings

I have to agree with the shallow hole, unless maybe he had already given the posse the slip. Then, MAYBE, if he thought he wouldn't get back to it for a long time.

I have to agree with the shallow hole, unless maybe he had already given the posse the slip. Then, MAYBE.

& Still I would think only if the Hole was Dug
In Advace in Preperation.

8' ? That's an Outhouse 

I have to agree with the shallow hole, unless maybe he had already given the posse the slip. Then, MAYBE.

& Still I would think only if the Hole was Dug
In Advace in Preperation.

Yep. An 8' hole is a lot of digging.

Coming from someone who has dug a couple of holes that are six feet deep by three feet wide (foxhole) it is no easy feat, and after you are done, unless you have something to put all the dirt on, it will be noticeable. 8 feet is too deep for one man. For one thing...how did he get back out of the hole?

What was the ground/soil condition?Was it even condusive to digging half that deep?I have to agree with everyone else and especially if he was running.Of course he could have been planning on just standing the pack animal with the cache in the hole

So far, everyone seems to be in agreement.
My wife came up with one idea that might have merit.
She said perhaps the hole was dug that deep so that if someone was buried at that spot, the loot would not be found.

I have talked to a few hunters that have recovered caches, and they pretty much say that most are buried 2' deep, or less.
The reason I asked this question, is that the depth of this cache comes from a very reliable source, but I just don't want to believe it.

I realize that those who have found caches, will probably not respond to this post for obvious reasons.
With that in mind, I would ask that if you have some information on cache depths, please PM me and I will keep you and your information to myself.

Thanks everyone,

Timberwolf

I was just going to offer you some shovel help, all things considered. I am going to need the exercise this summer.

No I have not found a Cache.

I say don't Completley Dismiss the cache story though.

But Personally I Would Dismiss the Depth
as Exageration.

Maybe it "Felt" like he dug 8' or
Maybe he Lied to turn off anyone looking

Not even a Team of bandits on the run would
take the time to dig 8' in my opinion.

unless they didn't trust each other
and felt it would take
them all to redig it

LOL,

OK, when I get ready to dig, I might just give you a call. Thanks.

TW

First off you must realize the deeper you dig
the harder the ground and larger the rocks

& If it's soft at 8 Feet yet it would collapse at 2 feet already.

Then remember Digging a hole is like
taking something New out of a Box
it never goes back in all the way.

You'd have a Hump or extra ground.

Best of Luck Though !
IF You dig that deep I Hope I'm Wrong ! 

I just hope he brings a ladder to get me back out of the hole!

Maybe he didn't dig a hole at all, and pushed the loot into an animal burrow.  Or a small cave.  And even with a good shovel, digging 8 feet of anything (like a sewer pipe trench, for instance) is going to take one person all day. Never mind hitting tree roots and rocks.... 

after sleeping on it there are several other explinations.

His Language skills were off
Or the person Listening Mistook
him saying 8

he may have said

"I Buried it A Feet under the ground"

"A" can be mistaken for 8 in a sentence like that
especially if spilled out quickly while out of breath.

or he wrote it down as 8' meaning 8"

he could have also Lacked an Education & Thought 8 Inches
was 8 Feet.

or he dug the hole like a funnel in sand
had small feet & Used his shoe on an angle
and measured 8 shoes from the edge to the center
(8 Feet  )
which could actually be under 2 feet deep

Or he actually had a pick & Shovel with him on the Robbery,
And Took the day to Dig an 8' Well to throw it in
then fill it back up, Pack it down
& Dispose of the Signs of Digging

Maybe the wording has become paraphrased over time and was originally something like "He dug a hole 8 feet down from certain markers." 

Definitely would discount the eight feet deep thing as discredited. Simple human behavior would tell you that if this guy was a thief he wasn't into working for a living and definitely not into workin hard for a living and for those who've never tried it, I dare you to try and dig an eight foot deep hole by yourself. even in the best of soils all soft and loamy it would be very hard work especially under the strain of an ever enclosing posse.  BTW Libra, standard fox hole depth isn't 6 feet, that would make it hard for you smaller fellers to see out of one ! 

Well, MD, if you count the grenade sumps, and since I am medical and we are so soft we like to add a hot tub and a wet bar to our foxholes.....

To those who do not know, a standard foxhole is supposed to be dug armpit deep on the shortest guy who will be using the hole. My battle buddy in Korea was a 6 foot 8 guy from the Ukraine named Nemirovsky who seemed to forget this fact and would keep making the thing deeper so it was comfortable for him. I would end up with an ammo can in the bottom so I could see out, and would have to dig two or three "ammo shelves" so I could climb back out.

The last one I dug was when I was at Fort Polk and still Artillery. In Iraq I had concrete bunkers.

I dug my own foxholes when I was told to, thanks. You really get hung up on this whole "front line" concept, which no longer exists in modern warfare. Our hospital in Mosul got hit directly with mortars and we lost several people to include a surgeon. Where is the "back line" in that?

please take it to The Barracks!

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,472.0.html

off subject here & Getting too long

THANKS ! 

If it were ME I'd disregard the 8 foot deep part of the story and concentrate on finding WHERE to dig. If you're pretty solid on the 'where', get a two-box and see what it says. At least you'll know if there's something in the spot! If it doesn't turn up after 2 feet or so you'll know to keep going!

well (pardon the pun),

if he was REALLY paranoid about someone accidentally finding it and had the time it's possible. but i tend to agree with everyone here, highly unlikely. i like the two box approach--and that possible "i dig a feet" idea.

the fun is in the figurin' and findin'.

good luck!

LD

HI, has anyone ever tried to back fill an 8' hole so that it wouldn't be immediately noticable , let alone after  the first rains which would then settle the loose dirt leaving a depression?     Excellent places are the bed of an arroyo itself, a well, or, best of all, inside of a corral.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Maybe he buried a 5 foot packhorse with a 2 foot box on its back,that leaves a foot of dirt on top , because if they found a dead packhorse the loot couldnt be far.     

I've always wondered? When a posse is after you because you just robbed a bank, a stage, or somebody where does the shovel come from.Do they put them in there saddle bag? I'm thinking very shallow or under something.(rocks,logs,caves)

I've always wondered? When a posse is after you because you just robbed a bank, a stage, or somebody where does the shovel come from.Do they put them in there saddle bag? I'm thinking very shallow or under something.(rocks,logs,caves)

I would guess they carried a shovel for such emergencies.

I don't think the 8 feet part is accurate. A standard grave (correct me if I am wrong) in a cemetary is 6 feet deep and for one person to dig that would be a very difficult, if not impossible feat, in a short time.

It is not impossible. It can be done in a few hours. However, someone on the run to do that sort of work is what is hard to believe.

It is not impossible.

I think that depends on where you are. Here in Ohio it's usually pretty impossible. I can't dig two feet without hitting so much rock and crap that I have to give up. And that's with all the time in the world, a six pack of Bud Light, and a wife cracking the whip. Surely a posse is more formidable than my wife...

Timberwolf Old Friend, Only one time did I dig a hole that big with pick and shovel. It was in Catahoula Parish in Louisiana and I would have been about 15 or16 years old at the time.Still a little lite in the rear. It took me two days and I made ten whole dollars, which was four dollars more than I made working two sixteen hour days at the service station in town.  Now the bottom of my hole had to be large enough for two 55 gallon barrels to sit side by side, which of course takes more time than a saddle pack.

My guess, like most others here, the hole would have  probably been a lot shallower than 8 feet. Good luck old friend.

Timberwolf Old Friend, Only one time did I dig a hole that big with pick and shovel. It was in Catahoula Parish in Louisiana and I would have been about 15 or16 years old at the time.Still a little lite in the rear. It took me two days and I made ten whole dollars, which was four dollars more than I made working two sixteen hour days at the service station in town.  Now the bottom of my hole had to be large enough for two 55 gallon barrels to sit side by side, which of course takes more time than a saddle pack.

My guess, like most others here, the hole would have  probably been a lot shallower than 8 feet. Good luck old friend.

Hey GrayCloud,

I've been wondering if you were still around.
Yeah, I didn't think that caches would be that deep, but I thought I would see what the rest of you thought.

So far, I have not been able to get permission to the hunt the property.
When I do, I know just about where to dig.
It should be worth the wait.

Thanks everyone for your input!

Timberwolf

 Their seems to be lots of inaccuracies in all the stories I have ever worked on.  My take is the
8 feet may be accurate, but not 8 feet deep, it may be 8 feet from one of his markers or maybe
an 8 foot circle of treasure.  I know of one recovery where there were 8 bars around a 15 foot
circle.
Good luck
Rich

  Now Treasure Finder just made a wagon load of good sense. .

I agree with Treasure finder Tom,
I have not recovered any outlaw treasure but have a friend or two who have.
They seem to be consistant when they tell me it is usually under a large stone. or just under the surface.
1 to 2 foot deep.
If the guy was in a hurry you will find saddle bags or remnants of bank bagsaround the loot as well.

I have a question for those of you that have found "outlaw caches".

I am working on a lead for an outlaw cache. Without giving you too much information, here is the story:

The outlaw is running from the posse.
He makes it to a point in which his pack horse gives out.
Keeping in mind that this guy is alone, he now digs a hole eight feet deep, to stash his loot.
He then leaves certain markers so that he can come back later and find his ill gotten booty.

My question is, how/why would someone on the run and by themselves, take the time and effort to dig a 8' hole?

Timberwolf

Most robbers probably wouldn't be carrying shovels unless thay planned to use one.And on the run he wouldn't be waiting around digging deep holes. I would say he dug 8 feet from some marker.  8 feet down....down the side of a hill 8 feet down the trail??? 8 feet down the creek??Probably only a few feet deep.

I dont think its 8 feet deep either.Let us know how deep it is Timberwolf when you get there...

Will do Mr Jody.

TW

Saturday morning, I drove out to the site. It took a bit to get to the area that I wanted to search.
Unfortunately, the johnson grass was so thick that there was no way I could swing a coil or even see the ground!
The grass was taller than my Jeep.

I went back home with my tail between my legs. I guess I'll have to wait till winter, after the grass has died, and try again.
What I really need is for all the tall grass to catch fire and burn off. Maybe the land owner will do that for me.

Timberwolf

Timberwolf, was that Johnson grass or bamboo?  
One way to work that grass would be to walk a path through the grass while dragging your detector coil behind you.  It would take a no-motion detector.  Set the sensitivity HIGH and the disc to the lowest setting.  I agree with the "shallow" burial idea.  No body on the run with a posse close on their tail is going to dig an 8' deep hole.  They'd just cut off to the side of the trail, scoop out a shallow hole close by a rock or log, throw in the loot, and cover it back with the dirt and slide the rock or log over the spot.  Then brush away the signs of digging, get back on the trail and haul a--.
KVM wrote that the older the story; the larger the value and deeper the hole.        
In the west, often the loot was stuffed into a crack in the rocks and covered with smaller pieces of stone.

Shortstack,

Nearly bamboo, lol.

I had a good friend of mine dowse a map of the area. He said that it was 8' deep.
I bought and read some books on dowsing, but when I tried my hand at it, I was wrong most of the time.
I had several cups on a table and had my wife place a gold or silver coin under one of the cups.
At best, I got the right cup about half the time.

I would really like to be able to see the ground though. Most rocks, unless they stick up above the ground a ways, will be obscured by the tall grass, even if I lay the grass over. If worse comes to worse, I may give your method a try though, thanks for the idea.

TW

KVM wrote that the older the story; the larger the value and deeper the hole.        

Which means that a story can be basically true, even when some of the details are disproved. Take heart, cache hunters.

  Is there still a forum for dowsing?

Timberwolf:
How experienced is your friend at map dowsing?  A key to reliable map dowsing is getting the series of questions correct.  You must plan ahead of time by writing down the questions for which you want the answers to and then condense them to a size you can repeat from memory easily and smoothly.  Your mind MUST be on what you're looking for and not have thoughts of OTHER things.  One old time dowser used to call them "monkey thoughts" because they would throw a monkey wrench into the dowsing session.  Your friend may have not had a clear enough mind at the time he checked that map.  Also, he may have tried the dowsing at the wrong time.  His "system" may not have been "in the mood", so to speak.  Also, did he use a pendulum or L-rod?  A pendulum takes a lot more expertise to use correctly.
You could check the site yourself with an L-rod on site.   You'll need a single L-rod, a compass, and a map of the area you're checking.  Orient the map to where you are with the compass.  Then, stand with the L-rod held by your strong hand with your arm bent at about 90 degrees.  With the rod pointed along one edge of the area, turn away from the area; slowly turning completely around.  While doing this, keep your mind on the valuable thing you're looking for and verbally ask the rod to point to the site of the item(s).  If the item is in the area, the rod will stay on it even as you're turning.  Note the direction the rod is pointing with your compass and mark it on the map.  Then go to a side at right angle to your first baseline and repeat the dowsing procedure again and get another line of sight from the rod.  Draw the course line on the map.  Where the 2 lines cross on the map will be your search site.  Your can do the baseline check a couple of more times to get 3 or more course lines to mark on your map. 
Good luck.   

Timberwolf,

My impression is, the 'bandit' said it was buried 8 feet down to discourage anyone from looking for it. If he wanted to discourage anyone from looking for it, that tells me either a trusted 'other' was in possession of said loot (prolly family or loved one), or he didn't get as much as he thought he did and wanted to protect his rep. et al.

if you still think the loot is there, I would figure on 4-5 feet or really shallow and under a rock to cover the spot. Or, as mentioned above, in a cave or animal burrow.

how about its been, retold too many Xs, and its 8 feet from

Shortstack,

My friend has been dowsing for some time.
He was trying to explain to me some of the things you just mentioned.
If I remember correctly, he said that the best time to dowse was 2 hours before sunrise, and 2 hours after sundown.
When I get back on the property, I will give the L-Rod and compass a try, thank you for the information.

Timberwolf

airborne and cw,

The bandit did not indicate the depth of the cache, only where it was buried.
From old land records and landmarks, I have found the property.
Previously, I was not conviced that dowsing actually worked.
I gave my friend a map to dowse, and did not giving him any information.
He dowsed the map 3 separate times and each time it was the same spot on the map.
As it turns out, his "x" on the map is right where I think the cache should be, from the information that I have.
It was my friend that told me the cache was 8' deep.

TW

Tom,
Ask him what the source of his info is as far as depth.
The whole thing becomes questionable when that depth is used.
as stated before  maybe 8 feet from something,
but I seriously doubt any outlaw had time to dig an 8 foot deep hole.

All in all I wish you the best of luck.
Post me a big smiley face if you have the best of luck.
call me and tell me how deep.

Thom,

The 8' came from his questions of depth, while dowsing.
That is all that I know. I will let you know, if I find something and how deep.

Tom

  Maybe the map dowser was eight feet deep in his basement.

Would it be possible for landslide or maybe a dozer to have done some filling in earlier years to get the depth that is in question? If this is possible, would the known markers still be insight or would they have been removed during a excavation?

I would think with the posse tracking the pack horse, the bandit would want to bury the cache somewhere that is not noticeable in a pretty good radius from the horse. I would think with time against him and dealing with escaping from a known posse on his tail. That the marker he picked to bury his loot would be very noticeable to him and would dig in hast to make his own escape, probably shallow and covered with debris. The dowsing sounds like a Great Idea and maybe your only chance.
                                I wish you the best on your hunt,
                                                Nova Treasure

  Maybe the map dowser was eight feet deep in his basement.

LOL,

He doesn't have a basement.

TW

nova,

I agree. He would have buried it close to a visable landmark, and it should not be very deep.
This is why I started this thread....I don't understand how it could have gotten 8' deep, when the terrain has not been changed by modern equipment.

TW

nova,

I agree. He would have buried it close to a visable landmark, and it should not be very deep.
This is why I started this thread....I don't understand how it could have gotten 8' deep, when the terrain has not been changed by modern equipment.

TW

fire, flood, tremores, earthquake, especially if it was put in a crevice, burrow, small cave like opening
it could of fell to 8' deep, after so many yrs of, natures follies
just guessing
luck HH

Put it in an 8' crevasse, and top it with leaves and dirt.  If the story is true think of crevasses and gullies.

HMM! 

If I believed in map dowsing, I would think either it was dropped into an old well that had been partly filled up, or maybe it was just 8 feet deep into the woods.

Put it in an 8' crevasse, and top it with leaves and dirt.  If the story is true think of crevasses and gullies.

HMM! 

Marc,

That sounds right, but it is not in a hilly area.
I don't think that there are any crevasses or gullies, but of course I have not been able to see all of the property.
The area that I have permission to hunt is covered in tall Johnson grass.
The area that I believe the cache is actually buried, is on the adjacent property, which the landowner won't let me hunt.

TW

If I believed in map dowsing, I would think either it was dropped into an old well that had been partly filled up, or maybe it was just 8 feet deep into the woods.

Kache,

I do have another theory. Perhaps the dowsed cache is not the one that I am looking for.
Perhaps there are two caches within a couple hundred yards of each other.
Maybe the cache that I seek is on the property that I have permission to hunt?

I'm dreaming big now, huh, lol.

TW

If I believed in map dowsing, I would think either it was dropped into an old well that had been partly filled up, or maybe it was just 8 feet deep into the woods.

Kache,

I do have another theory. Perhaps the dowsed cache is not the one that I am looking for.
Perhaps there are two caches within a couple hundred yards of each other.
Maybe the cache that I seek is on the property that I have permission to hunt?

I'm dreaming big now, huh, lol.

TW

For dreams to come true, they must first be dreamt.
Hey, if no one has ever said that, I claim it.

 

Dreams never die : Only the dreamers ....Today is the day (Mel Fisher) is the mottoe .

Gentlemen: regarding outlaw loot, I am minded of an incident that took place near here, Chinapas , chih.  The Palmarejo Mine smelter was doing custom smelting, as is required by law.  The people were at Chinapas having a fiesta, so only the crew of the smelter were there.  Just as they finished, They were hit by 5 men who proceeded to kill all but one, who was badly wounded.  He told the  posse members that he had seen them load up several mules and head for the Palmarejo narrow  gauge Railroad.

The posse took off after them and when they arrived at the  1/2 way point, where there was a watering tower,they lost the trail.  'While scouting for sign,  one of the posse members  spotted where they had tried to hide two bars of Gold.  This set off a rush to find the rest, giving the outlaws time to get away, they never found the rest of the bars, nor caught the outlaws.  .

When I first arrived in Chinapas in the 50's  they took me out to the water tower to see if my detector could find the missing bars, I had no success.  They then told me that the outlaw's mules were found in a near by arroyo still with their pack saddles.  I also checked that area, but didn't find anything, so we returned to Chinapas with just another nice story


Many years, later my cousin told me an intersting story.   It appeared that at a lumber camp where he purchased lumber , there was an old man, the cooks helper, that approached him with an interesting story.  The old man told him that he, another gringo, and 3 Mexicans held up a smelter in old Mexico, but unfortunately they had to kill everyone there because of the fight that they made.  He said that the people were at another town near by, some  5 miles, which was the reason they had to end the fight as quickly as possible.

He said that they had previously loaded up several mules with heavy rocks to simulate a heavily loaded animal, then buried all but three bars in a prearranged spot on the   'same'   property.  They then took off driving the mules until they came to a water tower.  There they very crudely buried two of the bars, hoping that the posse would do exactly as they did. They then drove the mules to the nearby arroyo where they scattered the rock, then turned the mule loose., and so escaped.  The mules loads had obviously been put someplace, but where?.  he he ehe

They went north to  Chihuahua, where two of the Mexican bandidos were killed in a saloon fight, the third was sent to prison for another crime where he died..  The old man and his and partner escaped to the Us,  where he did odd jobs waiting for an opportunity to return to Mexico for the Gold bars. Unfortunately the Revolution exploaded and then drug on for years. It was impossible for him to return.

He told my cousin that he could lead him to the exact spot with no problems, but that he would need a Jeep and only he would be armed.  My cousin remembering the old mans' account of killing the workers at the smelter, said "thank you , but but no thanks. Shortly afterwards the old man died.

This is a classic, 'true' example that many outlaws had things prepared before the crime, so almost anything is possible.

Another favorite spot is in a corral.  dig a simple shallow trench, putting the loot in it, cover it up, then run the animals over the spot a few times and it was effectively hidden forever.

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. I know within 35 meters where the spot is, but haven't had the opportunity to return there with the proper detector. It is in an area covered with broken iron parts and scrap metal.  A real worthwhile challenge.  I may get ORO and Beth on it.

timberwolf's dream

Wolf and you already know, the key to finding a large and long forgotten cache is persistence overlapped with research.  Hang in there Old Pard.  Eight feet could have more than one meaning, or it could just be an error.

Hey, Timberwolf.  Could that area you're interested in have been a marsh at one time in the past?  If the bandits threw their booty into a small marsh pond or a deep hole in an old creek, then it could definitely be 8 ft deep today.  Use one of the satelite photo apps and see if there are any indications of old creek beds or ponds in that area. 

Real,
Very interesting story. The one I'm working on isn't anywhere near that planned out.
Just a bank robbery, a tired pack horse, and a easy place to bury the loot.


GrayCloud,
Yeah, I'm still not sure where the 8' comes in, but I will continue to look into it until I find it.

Shortstack,
No, the area has not been a marsh or even under water, as far as I can tell. But, I will keep looking.

TW

Graycloud, your tale makes me wonder what you were burying two oil drums for?

Timberwolf, I've a couple thoughts on this.

1 The robber lied so that it would be harder to find.

2 Your dowser doesn't indicate up or down. Is there a tree or a rock wall nearby. It might be 8 feet up. The robber rides under a tree, steps up on his saddle, and slings the loot over a limb or in a hole in the tree/rock wall.

3 Something filled in the area adding to its original depth.

4 The robber had a hole prepared in advance.

5 There is a belief it is 8 feet down so the dowsing picks up that belief.

Good luck.

MRBeyer, I have the answer to your question.

RedNeck Septic Tank!!!  I know it ain't purty, but it works.

Hey Everyone,

Thanks for the comments and ideas.

I talked with my dowsing friend this past week, and ran my idea past him that there might be more than one cache at that location.
He agreed that that was very possible.
He said that his dowsing would "hit" on the larger target, if there were more than one close together.
From what he had allready told me about the target that he dowsed, the target I am looking for should be smaller (worth less).
This could be very good news for me.
I do not have permission to hunt the area that would have his target, but I do have permission to hunt the next property over.
Perhaps what I am looking for is on the side I can hunt.

Timberwolf

How did he get the backhoe in those days. An eight foot hole would have been a two hour job easy. Especially sense he ran his pack horse into the ground. He would have had to get rid of his animal also. Even a grave digger would not be that fast on the run.

Marlin the wizard at your service.

Sea'mus King of the Leprechauns. He should have just left it at the end of the rainbow.

Rich
I enjoy your great comments.  Good luck to you.

Rich
I enjoy your great comments.  Good luck to you.

Who's Rich?

TW

Depending on where your friend measured from the treasure it could be eight feet deep to the bottom of the pile or eight feet deep to the top of the pile. The simplest way to bury a treasure quickly is to look for an overhang in a weathered arroyo or gulley. Place the loot under the overhang and then collapse the bank on top of it. Depending on the geography he could have found a sink hole or a pothole in the rocks and dumped in his loot and covered it over. siegfried schlagrule

I could not dig eight feet deep, sent in a backhoe.

HI, has anyone ever tried to back fill an 8' hole so that it wouldn't be immediately noticable , let alone after  the first rains which would then settle the loose dirt leaving a depression?     Excellent places are the bed of an arroyo itself, a well, or, best of all, inside of a corral.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Absolute Genius...

Does it really matter if its down two feet or eight feet?  Its the location of the spot that matters.  If you think you have the right spot, you will dig and dig until you find something or decide to quit.  You might even go beyond the eight foot mark because of settling and  the addition of top layer sediment at the top.

Keep digging and you may find water or oil. Best of luck to all of you.

I can tell you first hand, an 8 foot hole is deep and if you are on the run, no chance in hell is that going to happen!I found a  "impression" out in the woods, poked a poker into it, and sure nuff', it felt like air.So I dug and dug and dug until there was no more "air" ,absolutly nothing...

Who told you that the treasure is 8 feet deep?  I doubt it.  Using a 2 box detector should tell you how deep it is. If it that deep, you may need to use a back hoe. Best of luck to you.  Buy a red book before you sell any coins..

Who told you that the treasure is 8 feet deep?  I doubt it.  Using a 2 box detector should tell you how deep it is. If it that deep, you may need to use a back hoe. Best of luck to you.  Buy a red book before you sell any coins..

By the time a red book is in print, it is six months out of date.
Preferably get a current copy of CoinWorld's Coin Values ... it is updated every month.
(yes, coins change that much in a month)

Right now there's a Fisher Gemini 3  two-box, used, on eBay with a current bid of $126.00.   New ones for sale from a dealer for $650 with free shipping.

I have a Fisher Gemini 3 two box I would make someone a really good deal on. PM me.

heres one at $679

http://cgi.ebay.ie/FISHER-METAL-DET..._0?hash=item335852f826#ht_500wt_956

I dont need a 2-box...I was just making a ststement on timberwolfes thread..
The hole I just dug was 8 foot down, I cant see someone on the run burying anything 8 feet deep!2-3, MAYBE 

I dont need a 2-box...I was just making a ststement on timberwolfes thread..
The hole I just dug was 8 foot down, I cant see someone on the run burying anything 8 feet deep!2-3, MAYBE 

I agree ,,, even a 2 - 3 foot hole on the run is going to take up a bit of time. (on the run)

Can everyone agree that an eight foot hole on the run would be exhausting and time consuming, let alone a totally unbelievable story.

If it were a dried up well and buried on the run, then it would be believable.

Can everyone agree that an eight foot hole on the run would be exhausting and time consuming, let alone a totally unbelievable story.

If it were a dried up well and buried on the run, then it would be believable.

I agree.

I agree(wiping the dirt and sweat from my forehead) .....

more believable would be -- A foot--   or  8 inches

I agree with #87.

I have to agree that an outlaw with a posse hot on his trail would not stop long enough to dig an 8' hole...probably just deep enough to hide his loot, and then try to make the ground look undisturbed (drag branches over it, or roll a large rock on top of it). However, in other circumstances, and with more hands available to dig, caches could run pretty deep. From 'History of the Donner Party' written in 1907, the author quotes one of the survivors...

"The word cache occurs so frequently in this history that a brief definition of the interesting process of cacheing might not be amiss. The cache of goods or valuables was generally made in a wagon bed, if one, as in the present instance, was to be abandoned. A square hole, say six feet in depth, was dug in the earth, and in the bottom of this the box or wagon bed containing the articles was placed. Sand, soil, or clay of the proper stratum was filled in upon this, so as to just cover the box from sight. The ground was then tightly packed or trampled, to make it resemble, as much as possible, the earth in its
natural state. Into the remaining hole would be placed such useless articles as could be spared, such as old tins, cast-off clothing, broken furniture, etc., and upon these the earth was thrown until the surface of the ground was again level. These precautions were taken to prevent the Indians from discovering and appropriating the articles cached. It was argued that the Indians, when digging down, would come to the useless articles, and not thinking there was treasure further down would abandon the task. " But," says Hon. James F. Breen, in speaking on this subject, "I have been told by parties who have crossed the plains, that in no case has the Indian been deceived by the emigrant's silent logic." The Indians would leave nothing underground, not even the dead bodies buried from time to time."

The book is Pub Domain, available here -  http://books.google.com/books?id=8W..._thumb#v=onepage&q=&f=false

I have to agree that an outlaw with a posse hot on his trail would not stop long enough to dig an 8' hole...probably just deep enough to hide his loot, and then try to make the ground look undisturbed (drag branches over it, or roll a large rock on top of it). However, in other circumstances, and with more hands available to dig, caches could run pretty deep. From 'History of the Donner Party' written in 1907, the author quotes one of the survivors...

"The word cache occurs so frequently in this history that a brief definition of the interesting process of cacheing might not be amiss. The cache of goods or valuables was generally made in a wagon bed, if one, as in the present instance, was to be abandoned. A square hole, say six feet in depth, was dug in the earth, and in the bottom of this the box or wagon bed containing the articles was placed. Sand, soil, or clay of the proper stratum was filled in upon this, so as to just cover the box from sight. The ground was then tightly packed or trampled, to make it resemble, as much as possible, the earth in its
natural state. Into the remaining hole would be placed such useless articles as could be spared, such as old tins, cast-off clothing, broken furniture, etc., and upon these the earth was thrown until the surface of the ground was again level. These precautions were taken to prevent the Indians from discovering and appropriating the articles cached. It was argued that the Indians, when digging down, would come to the useless articles, and not thinking there was treasure further down would abandon the task. " But," says Hon. James F. Breen, in speaking on this subject, "I have been told by parties who have crossed the plains, that in no case has the Indian been deceived by the emigrant's silent logic." The Indians would leave nothing underground, not even the dead bodies buried from time to time."

The book is Pub Domain, available here -  http://books.google.com/books?id=8W..._thumb#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Interesting. Thanks for posting that.

For those that did not know him, the Timberwolf lost his fight for life.  He was a fine Christian and is with the Good Lord now.

 ...........
WOW, sorry to hear about that, I had no idea!

here is a link for those who aren't aware that Tommy lost his fight with cancer last Saturday.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,309844.0.html

As  ol' Festus on Gunsmoke might have said, "Thas' hankering to do a whole lotta digging, ain't it, Doc."  Nobody in his right mind would stick around to dig a 8 foot hole when a less deep hole would hide that cache just as well...it wasn't like he was afraid someone would come along with the Super Detector and scoop up the goodies. He'd just bury the cache about 2 or 3 feet down and then leave. 8 feet just sounds like way too much digging.

Hi,
i agree digging 8' is a bit too much, but consider the landscape could change over time. To berry something in the celar of building that is no longer there might just add 5' right? A secret tunnel of a structure like a Castle or Chirch could offer axcelent cover for digging and hiding, etc.

regards,
d.

Theres this term used in spanish waybills to describe a distance. For some reason the number 40 is usually used to represent " far enough". In other it might say go 40 leagues to the spring Which really meant keep traveling until you get to the spring. In the Bible the term 40 days and 40 nites is used a lot appearently for the same reason. So maybe the 8' is used in the same contex! That is to mean deep enough. I can't visualize this guy out there with a tape measure! Let me just add that I have never found a casch with more than 12" of dirt over it.

Let me just add that I have never found a casch with more than 12" of dirt over it.

I sure have. But that is irrelavant,
The hurridly made caches on an outlaw type trail will usually be less than 2 feet.

From one old dog to another old dog, Just how deep have you gone? You got my curiousity up.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,135682.0.html

Most of mine have been about 15 to 20 "