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hi stan
yes your right after looking at a klippe i now understand its as you say a hand struck i have asked for picture front and back

thanks again

gabe ( ps its a very nice day here in hobart might go beach fishing )

Big C, might be worth keeping a pic of this one even though it says "copy" on it. I am a little confused about it being a 1715 fleet copy since the date looks like 1759
http://cgi.ebay.com/1715-Fleet-Cob-Pendant_W0QQitemZ310202199838

This is kind of a cool Lima 2 reale pendant. Too bad the cross is not bolder....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Colonial-Spain-...gold-diamonds_W0QQitemZ380208652832

The date centered over the cross is a good clue these are fake....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Atocha-One-Reale-Earrings_W0QQitemZ310202175300

Corroded, but strong 1655 date from yhe Maravillas....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1655-8-REALES-C...AS-MARAVILLAS_W0QQitemZ230440071522

Stan

Stan.......your eBay find below

This is kind of a cool Lima 2 reale pendant. Too bad the cross is not bolder....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Colonial-Spain-...gold-diamonds_W0QQitemZ380208652832

What is really neat about this one is......that it has a second FULL date...and it's in the legend (Pillars side) which makes it very very hard to come by in any condition.

Nice post Stan, you 'da man.

Trez

What is really neat about this one is......that it has a second FULL date...and it's in the legend (Pillars side) which makes it very very hard to come by in any condition.

Trez, check this out. Compare to the 2 reale coin at the top of page 208 of Sewall Menzel's "Cobs, Pieces of Eight and Treasure Coins". It is the exact same coin. Not just like it, it is the coin pictured!!! When I looked it up I couldn't believe it.

Anyway, I agree that seeing a date on that part of the periphery is very rare by that period in Potosi history, regardless of denomination (flan size). As another interesting point note that it has quadruple mint marks!

I thought the mount was very nice. I like the way he followed the outline of the coin and the contrasting platinum prongs. Along with the diamonds any lady pirate would probably love to wear that, especially if her man sports a macho 8 reale gargantuan.

Good to hear from you Trez!

Stan

What do you think about the cobs this seller listed (Feb 21st)?....

http://shop.ebay.com/alberto4494/m....;_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Stan

hi
well being new to cobs i am not a expert some look good others just look strange and i am not sure what to think
for example
 http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-CHARLES-...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c1069622d

i have not as yest seen one like this is it the real thing?

ps forgive my ignorance waiting on my copy of the "practical book of cobs"

i just checked http://www.sedwickcoins.com/fake_cobs.htm

top of the list looks the same to me

What do you think about the cobs this seller listed (Feb 21st)?....

http://shop.ebay.com/alberto4494/m....;_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

Stan

Dread,

That is either a 1543 or a 1544 since that assayer "S" (Rodrigo Gomez de Santillan) only served during those years. Since those early coins are undated, it is great to have a way to know the date within just a couple of years. Very interesting coin to study further. Let me do some research and also look at some past auction sales for a value estimate.

Glad to hear you are studying too and have the Sedwick book on the way! Another fine book at the top of my recommendation list would be:

Cobs: Pieces of Eight and Treasure Coins--The Early Spanish American Mints and Their Coinages, 1536-1773

http://www.amazon.com/Cobs-Treasure...ns-American-1536-1773/dp/0897222849

Not cheap ($125), but I have found it to be my most valuable resource, and I have many books and catalogs....

Stan

Dread, here are a few of the others in that seller's group....

This assayer "O" 1/2 reale is 1572-1589....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-PHILIP-I...-M-O-KM-20-VF_W0QQitemZ120534431160

Same assayer O and date range, but 1 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-1-REAL-P...P-II-KM-26-VF_W0QQitemZ120534434763

This assayer "O" 1 reale is 1564-1572 (different "O" assayer than above)....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-CHARLES-...6-1-REAL-KM-9_W0QQitemZ120534423136

This assayer "L" i/2 reale is 1548-1567....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-CHARLES-...2-REAL-KM-6-5_W0QQitemZ120534421380

Difficult to make out an assayer to date this 1/2 reale, but definitely later than 1572....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-1-2-REAL...610-1620-FINE_W0QQitemZ120534436977

Gotta rest my eyes a while....

Stan

hi stan
thanks for the great info, had a look at all the different coins that you tagged,the 1 reals look like they might be a good price,the book looks good as well yes its a bit on the expensive side but i guess its about saving money long term
found a very interesting coin, Spanish Netherlands 1662, Philip IV

anyway thanks again
dread

the book looks good as well yes its a bit on the expensive side but i guess its about saving money long term

If you saw the book you would see the main reason for the large cost. It is a large format, thick (484 page) book illustrated with tons of pictures and details of the known date ranges and variants of every type minted all the Spanish colonial mints.

I don't know anything about the coin you mention, but maybe you can post a picture. Is it hand struck?

Stan

Stan,
The post listed below by Dread....not sure an assayer "S" is correct....looks more like G also it's not a 1 real, it's a 4 (sellers error)

"hi
well being new to cobs i am not a expert some look good others just look strange and i am not sure what to think
for example
 http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-CHARLES-...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c1069622d

i have not as yest seen one like this is it the real thing?

"That is either a 1543 or a 1544 since that assayer "S" (Rodrigo Gomez de Santillan) only served during those years. Since those early coins are undated, it is great to have a way to know the date within just a couple of years. Very interesting coin to study further. Let me do some research and also look at some past auction sales for a value estimate." Stan



 

After another look I think you are right Trez. One thing I noticed that kind of swayed me was the light dot right above PLVS VLTRA. Menzell mentions the dot briefly in describing a variation of the 1 reale attributed to assayer "S" (see page 62). I realize this is a 4 reale, but I thought it might share that design element. The assayer "G" that followed (1544-1548) also shows a faint dot in one example on the top left picture on page 66.

Once again, I didn't look at all the possibilities before drawing a conclusion. Thanks for the correction.  

I think the 4 floating on the fine haired texture of the waves looks cool on this coin.

PS - Look at the fleet coin this seller advertised....

Stan

Stan,

I looked into what you said about that Lima being Menzels Book...
Does that make you wonder about that Lima 2 ? I wonder how it found it's way into a Bezel as such and or if it really is the word or words we are not suppose to ask in this forum any more, lol.
I may write the seller....Ebay loves me.

Trez

I like his jewelry design. The coin is kinda fishy. Check your mail....

Stan

Here's an article on eBay fraud.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/...w-a-bold-ebay-scam-was-tracked.html

the book looks good as well yes its a bit on the expensive side but i guess its about saving money long term

If you saw the book you would see the main reason for the large cost. It is a large format, thick (484 page) book illustrated with tons of pictures and details of the known date ranges and variants of every type minted all the Spanish colonial mints.

I don't know anything about the coin you mention, but maybe you can post a picture. Is it hand struck?

Stan

hi stan i use to collect german ww2 stuff and some of the ref books were the 100-150 us range one about german police was a phone book
sounds a good book after haveing look on the net yes looks worth it the coin in question is here

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1662-Netherl...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item23058e5ee5

very interesting

the coin in question is here

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1662-Netherl...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item23058e5ee5

very interesting

Yes, that is cool. By the way, I have bought from that Austrian seller 2 or 3 times and was satisisfied with no problems....

Stan

the coin in question is here

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1662-Netherl...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item23058e5ee5

very interesting

Yes, that is cool. By the way, I have bought from that Austrian seller 2 or 3 times and was satisisfied with no problems....

Stan

hi
thats good news i have 2 coins form him as well hes very good

Here's an article on eBay fraud.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/02/...w-a-bold-ebay-scam-was-tracked.html

Interesting article Jeff. Thanks for posting the link!

Stan

Challenge...What's the real reason this is rare?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1621-1665-BOLIV...-R-RARE-PIECE_W0QQitemZ390162280572

Why make a 1737 replica coin from 1622 shipwreck silver???
http://cgi.ebay.com/Eight-Reale-Coin-Pendant_W0QQitemZ160407988894

Impress your friends....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Escudo-Gold-S...er-1715-Fleet_W0QQitemZ300400238501

Old world coin (as opposed to colonial) but pretty cool....
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPAIN-JUANA-Y-C...Escudo-BURGOS_W0QQitemZ270532354975

Anybody know anything about this interesting coin?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/SPAIN-REYES-CAT...lente-GRANADA_W0QQitemZ270532354991

Nice round planchet, but they sure struck it off center....
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-GOLD-DOUBL...1-ESCUDO-COIN_W0QQitemZ110496784319

Stan

Columbus pocket change? You mean for if he wanted to buy a Coke or something?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ca-1492-COLUMBU...ISH-REALE-COB_W0QQitemZ370340974872

Consolacion coin with character - bold cross, clear date and assayer....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONSOLACION-SHI...1679-COB-COIN_W0QQitemZ250587423714

And another decent one from the same seller....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONSOLACION-SHI...1679-COB-COIN_W0QQitemZ250587419458

I did have the COA at one time....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Framed-1622-ATO...S-COIN-No-COA_W0QQitemZ230441928896

Cool coin despite no legible date, mint or assayer....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1621-1665-BOLIV...RY-NICE-SHAPE_W0QQitemZ390162750951

I kind of wondered about this one at first, but after looking it up think its legit....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bolivia-Potosi-...Treasure-Coin_W0QQitemZ200443857575

Best one for last. Trez, check this out. Rincon 1537 or 1538 date, which would be only the second or third year since establishment of the Mexico mint and also the first or second year that the 4 reale denomination was struck. Obverse has a little doubling, but the reverse is better than the reference coin I was looking at (Menzell page 44, bottom left).
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-ND-Early...-Reales-VF-XF_W0QQitemZ170451536283

Stan

Stan,

"Best one for last. Trez, check this out. Rincon 1537 or 1538 date, which would be only the second or third year since establishment of the Mexico mint and also the first or second year that the 4 reale denomination was struck. Obverse has a little doubling, but the reverse is better than the reference coin I was looking at (Nenzell page 44, bottom left).
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-ND-Early...-Reales-VF-XF_W0QQitemZ170451536283

Stan"

I'll go halves with ya........
If I was a Millionaire...my cob colletion would be extensive...and thus I would be broke.

Trez

found a 1767 mexico pillar 8 just trying to figure out whats wrong with it the buy it now is only $140 us i figure the seller thinks it fake
but if not a bargain for someone

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...576589&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

found a 1767 mexico pillar 8 just trying to figure out whats wrong with it the buy it now is only $140 us i figure the seller thinks it fake
but if not a bargain for someone

Seller looks legitimate feedbackwise (100%, 20091 sales), is not located in China, and there is a 7 day return period. I am not a price expert on pillar coins, so don't know what the coin would normally sell for....

Stan

When are you auctioning the other half?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-17TH-CENTU...CO-1-2-REALES_W0QQitemZ230443347719

Trez, what's your take on this (left of shield details)?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-COB-MEXICO...1734-PHILIP-V_W0QQitemZ230443319580

Not yet researched....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spain-Mexico-Mo...s-cob-AR-coin_W0QQitemZ350322512947

An interesting for Dread to study....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1733-Mexico-Cha...lar-Dollar-VF_W0QQitemZ150418763970

Antique? "In good condition, with pitting, to be expected with it's age"....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-Antique...ob-c-1600s-NR_W0QQitemZ260560508212

Stan

13 grams of silver? What about the other 13+ grams? Nice shape.... 
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Reals-Shield-...oin-1581-1586_W0QQitemZ330409578518

..."COMES WITH A NUMBER CERTIFICATE OF AUTHENTICITY IN A BINDER" (Wow a binder really increases value!)...."THESE ARE FEW AND FAR BETWEEN" (Maybe in Antarctica!)...."A RECENT SEARCH FOUND NOTHING BUT REPRODUCTIONS LISTED ON EBAY" (What did you do search in infants clothing?)...."THIS MAY BE THE ONLY AUTHENTIC CERTIFIED ATOCHA COIN LISTED FOR SALE ON EBAY" (With a binder included!)...."NO GRADE OR MINT MARK IS GIVEN ON THE CERT" (Well it must be a repro!!!)....
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-CERTI...IN-85A-120804_W0QQitemZ290407843936

OK, I nice 4 reale from Mexico....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1665-Mexico-Spa...ales-Cob-Coin_W0QQitemZ150419093395

Not a cob, but interesting counterstamp....
http://cgi.ebay.com/XS-CUBA-REJILLA...lver-2-Reales_W0QQitemZ370342449205

Stan

hi stan thanks for  the info
a mexico pillar 8 reales can go from starting 220 us to say round 1500 us but on average about 300 to 350 us
maybe i will stick with cobs

found a 1767 mexico pillar 8 just trying to figure out whats wrong with it the buy it now is only $140 us i figure the seller thinks it fake
but if not a bargain for someone

Seller looks legitimate feedbackwise (100%, 20091 sales), is not located in China, and there is a 7 day return period. I am not a price expert on pillar coins, so don't know what the coin would normally sell for....

Stan

hi again

yep that's me as highest bidder, my interest in pillar 8`s comes from the rooswijk wreck  they are of course very expencive
the oldest on the ship were from 1732 (first year issue for pillar dollar) with f (Felipe Rivas Angulo as the assayer 1732-1733)
it then when to MF 1733-1754 Manuel De Leon and Antonio De la Pena y Flores the Rooswijk coins weree estimated to be 75% pillar dollars and 25% cobs (according to Ernie Richards in his book: Shipwrecks and their coins vol 4 the 1740 Dutch East indiaman rooswijk)

anywho enough for now
dread

When are you auctioning the other half?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-17TH-CENTU...CO-1-2-REALES_W0QQitemZ230443347719

Trez, what's your take on this (left of shield details)?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/NICE-COB-MEXICO...1734-PHILIP-V_W0QQitemZ230443319580

Not yet researched....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spain-Mexico-Mo...s-cob-AR-coin_W0QQitemZ350322512947

An interesting for Dread to study....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1733-Mexico-Cha...lar-Dollar-VF_W0QQitemZ150418763970

Antique? "In good condition, with pitting, to be expected with it's age"....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-Antique...ob-c-1600s-NR_W0QQitemZ260560508212

Stan

hi again

yep that's me as highest bidder, my interest in pillar 8`s comes from the rooswijk wreck  they are of course very expencive
the oldest on the ship were from 1732 (first year issue for pillar dollar) with f (Felipe Rivas Angulo as the assayer 1732-1733)
it then when to MF 1733-1754 Manuel De Leon and Antonio De la Pena y Flores the Rooswijk coins weree estimated to be 75% pillar dollars and 25% cobs (according to Ernie Richards in his book: Shipwrecks and their coins vol 4 the 1740 Dutch East indiaman rooswijk)

anywho enough for now
dread

Dread, what do you think of my Pillar Dollar that I posted here? http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,300091.0.html

very nice 8, for a pillar to spend 228 years on the wreck and be in that condition wow!
your a lucky guy what did you pay for it if you dont mind me asking?
i am not 100% sure but but did the Hollandia Vliegenthart and Rooswijk all come form the same ship yard or were in fact sister ships?

Hey guys, I started a new thread titled "Pillars and Portraits". maybe we could move this discussion over there and try to keep it ongoing. Just an idea....

Nice coin Diver Down!....

Stan

Sorry, Stan, I didn't mean to hijack the thread.  I appreciate all that you have done, and I've learned a lot by studying various "selections".

Sorry, Stan, I didn't mean to hijack the thread.  I appreciate all that you have done, and I've learned a lot by studying various "selections".

Hey, no problem at all. Maybe the other thread will catch on. Thanks for the kind words Diver Down....

Stan

From the Potosi Mint in Mexico City?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1640-TREASURE-O...ES-POTOSI-MEX_W0QQitemZ190377043157

Not sure why this guy says this is a 1622 coin and that he found it on a 1715 beach. Same guy had it not too long ago and said it was from the Atocha, but lost his cert....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1622-8-REALE-SH...HE-1715-FLEET_W0QQitemZ120537694274

Little bit of a price cut since this was last advertised. Thought about buying it despite the light weight. It is hard to find a Maravillas coin with any detail left....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1654-Boliva-8-R...gr-Graded-COA_W0QQitemZ400106324710

Trez, you see a "715" on that middle coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Shipwreck-Spani...-Cobs-Genuine_W0QQitemZ280471397324

I wrote this guy and told him this was a replica and that the 13 grams ought to be a clue. He revised his listing to say 20 grams. Feel free to write him....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Reals-Shield-...oin-1581-1586_W0QQitemZ330409578518

You don't normally see a die split on the Guatemala strikes....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Guatemala-Silve...-4-Reales-Cob_W0QQitemZ250588175046

Stan

I have to say that I really appreciate this thread!!! I have wanted to buy old Spanish cob/coins for a long time now but I knew there were tons of fakes being sold. I am becoming more and more interested in the Conquistadors and their cobs but as a beginner I am overwhelmed by all the fakes that are on the market. Thanks DiveWrecks and everybody else that has contributed to this great thread!!!

Maybe someday soon I will make the plunge and actually buy a few cobs but for now I will just sit back and study what has already been posted here.

I have to say that I really appreciate this thread!!! I have wanted to buy old Spanish cob/coins for a long time now but I knew there were tons of fakes being sold. I am becoming more and more interested in the Conquistadors and their cobs but as a beginner I am overwhelmed by all the fakes that are on the market. Thanks DiveWrecks and everybody else that has contributed to this great thread!!!

Maybe someday soon I will make the plunge and actually buy a few cobs but for now I will just sit back and study what has already been posted here.

Thanks, feel free to ask any questions during your study. It is somewhat overwhelming at first, but you'll get comfortable. Let me know if you eventually decide on a particular coin type you have in mind and I'll be glad to give you some personalized picks to study and perhaps bid on.

Stan

Counterfeit arrowhead....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-8-REALES...LVER-26-4-Grs_W0QQitemZ110501701851

No, not 1665, this is a 1653. Probably from the wreck of the Capitana or the Maravillas....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1665-Spanish-Pi...ob-Coin-w-CoA_W0QQitemZ350323578601

A 1732 coin from a 1682 wreck? What's with these people?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1732-Shipwreck-...b-From-Joanna_W0QQitemZ140387666695

Cob wannabe.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/VENEZUELA-4-REA...N-1820-TOSTON_W0QQitemZ280472712519

1715 fleet coin. Had to strain my eyes to read the cert - Captain Carl Fismer....
http://cgi.ebay.com/SILVER-PIECE-OF...PHILIP-V-1715_W0QQitemZ190377272226

Half reale of Phillip V....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spanish-Colonia...1-2-Reale-Cob_W0QQitemZ150419540495

Half reale of Charles II....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spanish-Colonia...1-2-Reale-Cob_W0QQitemZ150419535368

Cant, quite get the date of this 1 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spanish-Colonia...D-1-Reale-Cob_W0QQitemZ150419539365

Looks like the end coin sheared off a poured strap....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1715-FLEET-SPAN...8-REALE-21-9g_W0QQitemZ180475846673

One for Trez to study....
http://cgi.ebay.com/POTOSI-OR-LIMA-...VER-R-L-K-L-K_W0QQitemZ160409532185


Stan

hi stan
what do you think of this one
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI...27720&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:VRI

says it weighs 23 grams and supposed to be a "8" can it lose a 5 grams?

thanks dread

The seller (Joel Ruth) is a respected conservator and I know that he was involved in coin preservation in recoveries from the Consolacion and Capitana wrecks in Ecuador among others. I have bought from him twice. You don't need to worry about his coins being legit. Most coins at 27 grams are considered full weight and many slipped below that. A 4 gram loss is not that unreasonable from a sea salvage coin. That being said, you can find examples from this wreck (Consolacion) with more legible features than this coin. There were two recently that showed quite a bit of detail. I'll keep my eyes open for you if you are interested in a coin from that particular wreck. By the way, there is a good book written on that wreck by a guy named Bill Seliger if you want to study the history.

Stan

Joel Ruth is a top notch person and has helped countless people through out the years. I wouldn't have any doubts about buying from him.

"Not sure if its real or repro"....
http://cgi.ebay.com/EIGHT-REALES-SI...BARRE-DARGENT_W0QQitemZ110502408108

Stan

Stan... Have you ever seen this before? It's only 31 grams.

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-ATOCH...tZCoins_Bullion?hash=item439d97b08a

Stan... Have you ever seen this before? It's only 31 grams.

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-ATOCH...tZCoins_Bullion?hash=item439d97b08a

Its got to be a fantasy piece and must be some kind of special edition to bring so much. I sent an Email to Ernie Richards, who coauthored a book on Spanish treasure bars. I'll report back his answer. Interesting.....

Stan

Museum quality bracelet?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-ATOCHA-Gen...useum-Quality_W0QQitemZ170454355221

1654 Capitana coin. Note "4" visible below left pillar....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Reales-Silver...b-La-Capitana_W0QQitemZ180477193296

Nice F assayer Mexican 8 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-8-REALES...KM-44-ND-F-VF_W0QQitemZ120539206636

Early Mexico 4 reale. Sedwick database has a somewhat similar fake, though it is a ""L assayer, not a "G" like this one....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-ND-1542-...-Reales-VF-XF_W0QQitemZ170454747744

Fake....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Genuine-Antique...-1734-Coin-NR_W0QQitemZ250590688961

Stan

Atocha 4 weighs just slightly more than a 2 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1598-1621-POTOS...HIPWRECK-COIN_W0QQitemZ170457947607

Now here's a 4 with a little more "meat" to it....
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-ATOCH...GRADE-1-SWEET_W0QQitemZ220570488779

Consolacion clump....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Potosi-Reales_W0QQitemZ160412702308

Good strong date on this Maravillas coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1655-8-REALES-C...AS-MARAVILLAS_W0QQitemZ330413172394

Definitely should have been a Grade 2. I have seen Atocha Grade 1 coins with less detail than this one....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Atocha-8-reale-...id-gold-frame_W0QQitemZ220570560903

Stan

Nice F assayer Mexican 8 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-8-REALES...KM-44-ND-F-VF_W0QQitemZ120539206636

i got this one can`t wait till it turns up
dread

Nice F assayer Mexican 8 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-8-REALES...KM-44-ND-F-VF_W0QQitemZ120539206636

i got this one can`t wait till it turns up
dread

You came out good on this coin. The assayer was Francisco de Morales. Yours was minted during the rein of Philip III, so it is no earlier than 1598. The way I can tell it is Philip III and not Philip II (since your last "I" is not legible) is by the shape of the base of the crown (reference Menzel page 87). It is also no later than 1607, as this is when they started putting dates on them. Yours has the end of the word "GRATIA" in the obverse legend where the date was subsequently added and "DEI GRATIA" was abbreviated to "DEI G" in order to fit on the coin.

Congrats on the purchase....

Stan

Double dated and slabbed Consolacion 1 reale....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Potosi-1-Reale_W0QQitemZ160414713721

This shiny coin makes me somewhat suspicious. Description is a little overboard....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1620-DATED-MEXI...6-GRAMS-SPAIN_W0QQitemZ220573873713

Write this guy and tell him his arrowhead is a fake not a counterfeit....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-8-REALES...LVER-26-4-Grs_W0QQitemZ110508025342

"Z" assayer 2 reales. Lions and castles look strange, I'll have to look this one up....
http://cgi.ebay.com/POTOSI-BOLIVIA-...ALES-COB-COIN_W0QQitemZ270548180492

Not much detail, but probably feels good in the hand....
http://cgi.ebay.com/PERU-SPANISH-CO...IN-26-5-GRAMS_W0QQitemZ270548164680

Two crosses for the price of one....
http://cgi.ebay.com/INDALO-Spanish-...Double-struck_W0QQitemZ370350826053

Keep the change son....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Interesting-old...eales-1-2-Bit_W0QQitemZ270548247629

Where does the cert say Grade 1? Oh, I didn't look on the price tag....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Atocha-Grade-1-...e-Silver-Coin_W0QQitemZ290414632202

How about a little description to go with your terms and conditions - Good god man!
http://cgi.ebay.com/BOLIVIA-TWO-REA...Y-STRUCK-FINE_W0QQitemZ380214809616

Giant figure 8....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Lucernae-Philip...b-coin-Mexico_W0QQitemZ280478750157

Cool little 2 reale cob wannabe....
http://cgi.ebay.com/VENEZUELA-2-REA...S-1820-LOOOOK_W0QQitemZ120544005792

Stan

Always keep an eye out for coins that have been plugged. Nothing mentioned on the two repaired piercings on this one....
http://cgi.ebay.com/POTOSI-BOLIVIA-...III-NICE-CROSS_W0QQitemZ38021196146

Pierce that is either fixed or didn't quite make it all the way through....
http://cgi.ebay.com/COB-POTOSI-BOLI...RADE-COLONIAL_W0QQitemZ350327225070

A neat "study piece" for the cob student despite the damage to the shield side....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-REALES-1630-P...TREASURE-NICE_W0QQitemZ370311760618

Stan

I'm sure this seller would like some further fan mail....

http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-8-REALES...LVER-26-4-Grs_W0QQitemZ110508025342

My message through Ebay to the seller:
"COUNTERFEIT?" I think you know the answer to this. Quit trying to take
advantage of people.


Seller "coins1973" responds:
THANKYOU!

Stan

FAKE:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mexico-Five-Dif...lver-piece-VF_W0QQitemZ160418859467

For an exercise compare these to examples on the Frank Sedwick "fakes" page. Then write the seller....

Stan

Auction Title: "Ancient Spanish Silver Cob Very Rare Coin authintic" (sic)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ancient-Spanish...oin-authintic_W0QQitemZ120548902607

Ad goes on further to say.... "Note: I am not an expert coin dealer I am a builder with a few items to sell on Ebay, I do not grade coins I only give my opinions.  I'm just here to make some extra cash for my bills,  I Give you my word that the information in my auctions is Honest and complete to the best of my knowledge, I do admit everyone makes mistakes sometimes and if I do I will try  to fix it."

We'll see if he fixes it after my email to him. Skulls? Give me a break.....

Stan

Auction Title: "Ancient Spanish Silver Cob Very Rare Coin authintic" (sic)

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ancient-Spanish...oin-authintic_W0QQitemZ120548902607

Ad goes on further to say.... "Note: I am not an expert coin dealer I am a builder with a few items to sell on Ebay, I do not grade coins I only give my opinions.  I'm just here to make some extra cash for my bills,  I Give you my word that the information in my auctions is Honest and complete to the best of my knowledge, I do admit everyone makes mistakes sometimes and if I do I will try  to fix it."

We'll see if he fixes it after my email to him. Skulls? Give me a break.....

Stan

You scared him Stan item is gone !

FAKE:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mexico-Five-Dif...lver-piece-VF_W0QQitemZ160418859467

For an exercise compare these to examples on the Frank Sedwick "fakes" page. Then write the seller....

Stan

See the chomp marks, It says made in China
Sam

Skulls ...lol! I guess the pirates were into minting their own.

Pretty nice early Mexico 4 reale. To be more specific than his post, this coin was struck between 1544 and 1548....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1516-56-4-Reale...50-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ220581813849

Nice Potosi crack. Natives, bring more charcoal!....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1670-Bolivia-8-...s-silver-coin_W0QQitemZ250608214965

Assayer B coin, relatively common. Perfect roundness makes you think it could have been "profiled" a bit, perhaps for a jewelry mount....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1574-86-P-B-COL...S-NGC-SLABBED_W0QQitemZ220582661393

Early old world cob....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1496-1504-D-SPA...E-NGC-SLABBED_W0QQitemZ170467618797

Seems I have seen this one before....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CIRC-1700s-MEXI...-REALES-KM-47_W0QQitemZ250608090439

Chinese seller trying to unload a fake!!! See Sedwick's fake cob page....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1636-OLD-ISSUE-...ES-SILVER-COB_W0QQitemZ270556804333

What a shame....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-reales-1715fl...86-ANACS-Cert_W0QQitemZ350335465889

Stan

I kind of like this one....
I know you already listed it, but the hole gives it style 
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-reales-1715fl...86-ANACS-Cert_W0QQitemZ350335465889

I kind of like this one....
I know you already listed it, but the hole gives it style 
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-reales-1715fl...86-ANACS-Cert_W0QQitemZ350335465889

Well, maybe it could end up being a good deal for someone wanting to wear it on a leather thong or something. Not a bad coin....

Stan

Hello my friends
I have found this cob on ebay...



http://cgi.ebay.fr/8-reales-O-M-P-M...%C3%A8cesFrancs?hash=item335b9d44eb

Hello my friends
I have found this cob on ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.fr/8-reales-O-M-P-M...%C3%A8cesFrancs?hash=item335b9d44eb

Hi Jerome. That is a type that is frequently copied, but I can't find that particular one in the Sedwick fakes database. Perhaps Big Cypress can look through hos "OMP" cons for a match. Of course, it may end up being a decent deal. Have you found any more coins recently yourself? Also, did you find the plastic coin storage items you were looking for?

Stan

Hello Stan

No, for the moment, I haven't found more spanish coins because at the place in the water where I have found them the level of sand is very high.
But I hope to found other coins after a very big storm.I am patient...
Yes, I have found the plastic box for my coins.Thinks for informations you give me !!!

I'm something of a novice, but this one seems very nice.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/INDALO-Fantasti...%3D8961396597283181267#ht_942wt_942

Of course, with 6 days left the price already seems to reflect that.

Fake coins net $358:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Mexico-Five-Dif...lver-piece-VF_W0QQitemZ160418859467

Seller never answered my comments about them not being legit.....

Stan

Stan... How many times have you reported fake coins to eBay, and they've done nothing about it?

Stan... How many times have you reported fake coins to eBay, and they've done nothing about it?

Well, they (Ebay) don't answer back to you so there is no way to tell. Of course if the auction terminates, you would like to think you had something to do with it.

Stan

I'm something of a novice, but this one seems very nice.....

http://cgi.ebay.com/INDALO-Fantasti...%3D8961396597283181267#ht_942wt_942

Of course, with 6 days left the price already seems to reflect that.

Pretty nice! The coin is from Potosi, not Lima like the ad says. Assayer B (Juan de Ballesteros Narvaez) served several terms in his long career (1577-1615), but I believe this to be one of the earlier coins. One of the main features for identifying sub-types, the number of "fleurs-dis-lis" in the shield, is unfortunately double struck on this coin and  not legible.

It should be noted that the diameter of this coin (reported at 42mm) makes it nearly like the 44mm coins termed in Menzel's book as "great module" coins.

It will be interesting to track this auction. Thanks Ted for calling attention to it.

Stan

Hello Stan

No, for the moment, I haven't found more spanish coins because at the place in the water where I have found them the level of sand is very high.
But I hope to found other coins after a very big storm.I am patient...

Hi Jerome. Thanks for the update and keep us posted. Are your recoveries being made off the French coast? I hope a big storm blows your way!   

Stan

Nice detail on this El Caz coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CERT-OF-AUTH-CO...OF-EL-CAZADOR_W0QQitemZ280489744856

Identify this one???....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1700s-Colonial-...e-Saratoga-NY_W0QQitemZ260581767799

Cool full weight coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/164-Bolivia-Phi...s-Cob-Coin-RR_W0QQitemZ110516086621

Stan

hey ossy
found this on ebay local its in qld thought you may be the seller but looks a good deal
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Philip-II-15...QQptZAU_Bullion?hash=item335be89fec

hey ossy
found this on ebay local its in qld thought you may be the seller but looks a good deal
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Philip-II-15...QQptZAU_Bullion?hash=item335be89fec

Spreading the "end-of-the-bar" myth....Seller needs to read this thread....
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,308454.0.html

Also, a gold coin from Toldeo is not colonial like Mexico, Lima, or Bogota. Spanish gold is generally worth much less than true colonial, so you see sellers trying to make this association all the time....

Stan

hey ossy
found this on ebay local its in qld thought you may be the seller but looks a good deal
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Philip-II-15...QQptZAU_Bullion?hash=item335be89fec

Not me dread
Ossy

Don't forget, that coin was also "Pirate Gold coin".

Don't forget, that coin was also "Pirate Gold coin".

Argh....Good point matey!   

Stan

Fake from down under....Ossy? Dread?   

http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Reales-cob-1653-copy_W0QQitemZ230462020119

Stan

Fake from down under....Ossy? Dread?   

http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Reales-cob-1653-copy_W0QQitemZ230462020119

Stan

Kingaroy, He is only up the road. Good to see he is honest, China? China is Australia biggest trading partner he may have
picked it up on a visit. Should be added to the fake data base.
Ossy

hi stan
ebay records show he got some items from hk coins
from the pics looks allmost cast then aged

found a nice Bolivia cob from one of the honest good ebay sellers

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1617-Bolivia...s_US_Individual?hash=item230688b1ad

i have two coins from this seller i think stan may do as well

found a nice Bolivia cob from one of the honest good ebay sellers

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1617-Bolivia...s_US_Individual?hash=item230688b1ad

i have two coins from this seller i think stan may do as well

Not bad. Good for someone who wants an Atocha style coin without the price tag. I personally prefer the later pillar & waves coins. I picked one up tonight I love. Awesome "character", which  means more to me than a rare date. Check this out.....

Stan

holy crap you scored well with that one stan good work!
dam nice coin too got lots of stories it could tell iam sure

Damn that is beautiful...

Damn, I broke my cob in half....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-REALE-1715-FL...treasure-coin_W0QQitemZ260586602091

Stan

there is a lesson here for all of us DONT DROP YOUR COBS!

To wake up the peanut gallery.....

OK Mexican 8 reale. Probably early 1700's....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Antique-SPANISH...B-SILVER-COIN_W0QQitemZ330424771521

Cool coin for old world, respected seller, but doesn't meed to use "pirate" in the title....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1627-Spain-Phil...ales-Cob-Coin_W0QQitemZ150434474734

They could at least make a cheap wire mount for them....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Atocha-Coin-Eig...e-Cob-Pendant_W0QQitemZ160424458854

I think I'll pass on this one, even if it was one-of-a-kind rare....
http://cgi.ebay.com/MEXICO-CITY-SIL...L-all-data-RR_W0QQitemZ180494224621

Two date fifty-eight....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1758-OLD-US-coi...anish-2-DATES_W0QQitemZ220587969092

Any pirate would be embarrassed to be carrying a copper slug! Look at the very convincing cert pictured that you will get with the coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/PIRATE-COIN-Spa...ATE-160-17thC_W0QQitemZ200460189395

"The markings on this coin are consistent with the 1715 issue" - Does that mean it is real?....
http://cgi.ebay.com/8-Escudo-Cob-17...d-Coin-Mexico_W0QQitemZ220582167577

1726 Lima 8 escudo....
http://cgi.ebay.com/PCGS-VF-30-1726...UDOS-DOUBLOON_W0QQitemZ390169927884

Looks cast to me. A notarized cert, signed by an unstated "authenticator"....Might as well say its a pirate coin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/RARE-1744-8-ESC...OB-w-18kBEZEL_W0QQitemZ370352927616

Nice looking mount for a classy lady. How can the Spanish strike a 1 escudo that big (see reference quarter) ? It must be paper thin....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Spain-1550-gold...-18K-gold-15g_W0QQitemZ280488277032

Ossy - octopus pendant setting to look at....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1622-ATOCHA-2-R...OIN-14K-BEZEL_W0QQitemZ270564740862

Kinda cool coin of the style I like, too bad it is holed....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Bolivia-Cob-Ove...3-Charles-III_W0QQitemZ260586118455

Stan

Thanks Stan, But Crackbadger octopus is beautiful, I have  asked him for a price for one. Hopefully I won't have to get a second job to pay for it
Cheers, Ossy

Hmm.. went from one shipwreck - to Authentic .. off another ..

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220591189538

http://cgi.ebay.com/8-reales-1731-o...eck-recovered_W0QQitemZ350335468052

well spotted i wonder who the sellers got the same coin from
i was going to say one could be the original but i cant tell them apart even the weathering is the same
Stan will get a kick out of this

well done!

Thanks Stan, But Crackbadger octopus is beautiful, I have  asked him for a price for one. Hopefully I won't have to get a second job to pay for it
Cheers, Ossy

Ya Ossy,

 Ill have a price for you tomorrow. Shes been gone and shell be back tomorrow so Ill get you a qoute brother.

Here it is again!

Here it is again!

Looks awesome. The back looks just as good as the front!

Stan

well spotted i wonder who the sellers got the same coin from
i was going to say one could be the original but i cant tell them apart even the weathering is the same
Stan will get a kick out of this

well done!

Yup, already gave him a slap on the back! Seeing what kind of answers I can get now from original seller. 

Stan

well spotted i wonder who the sellers got the same coin from
i was going to say one could be the original but i cant tell them apart even the weathering is the same
Stan will get a kick out of this

well done!

Yup, already gave him a slap on the back! Seeing what kind of answers I can get now from original seller. 

Stan

i did not look at the dates sorry Stan its not a reproduction thing (second seller gets coin from first seller on 7th april check feedback first seller, second seller is same one selling it now)
first seller thinks its from Rooswijk no cert, second seller has same coin with case and cert from Flying Hart
very odd

Shameless plug....

http://shop.ebay.com/*divewrecks*/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

If you win one of my auctions and are a TNet member let me know and I'll throw in an extra gift with the shipment....

Stan

Shameless plug....

http://shop.ebay.com/*divewrecks*/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_from=&_ipg=&_trksid=p4340

If you win one of my auctions and are a TNet member let me know and I'll throw in an extra gift with the shipment....

Stan

Stan your link dosn't work and doing an Ebay search for a seller with the username "divewrecks" turns up a guy who has a feedback rating of 9, burned a couple of people back in 07, and hasn't been heard from since. You might want to fix your link.. 

cut and paste the whole link put in the address bar
worked for me

Stan your link dosn't work and doing an Ebay search for a seller with the username "divewrecks" turns up a guy who has a feedback rating of 9, burned a couple of people back in 07, and hasn't been heard from since. You might want to fix your link.. 

It is an asterisk just before and after the letters in the name. Not my first choice, but.....

Stan

Pirate coin? It looks like a burnt cookie....
http://cgi.ebay.com/pirate-8-reales...treasure-coin_W0QQitemZ230463982638

Uncleaned coins - unknown shipwreck - probably the Maravillas? Looks like a pile of rust flakes.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/uncleaned-reale...treasure-coin_W0QQitemZ230463980502

Cool shape, but can't tell much more....
http://cgi.ebay.com/1715-fleet-8-re...treasure-coin_W0QQitemZ230463974775

Certainly not an Atocha coin style cross....
http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-Spanish-Ato...-includes-COA_W0QQitemZ330425342140

"Quarter is shown for size comparison only and is not included in the auction"...Damn!...Deal breaker!....
http://cgi.ebay.com/CONSOLACION-SPA...-8-REALES-COB_W0QQitemZ280495026599

Stan

i did not look at the dates sorry Stan its not a reproduction thing (second seller gets coin from first seller on 7th april check feedback first seller, second seller is same one selling it now) first seller thinks its from Rooswijk no cert, second seller has same coin with case and cert from Flying Hart very odd

Auction is now terminated. I will put this seller on my "watch" list:     raymarcompany99

Stan

Stan,

 Your making a bit nervous. I just bought this off coin off of the RAYMAR guy:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...073496&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

and bidding on this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...98288&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

Have I gotten screwed here?

Thanks,

CB

Have I gotten screwed here?

I think you did good price wise on the X69X 1/2 reale. Good to see some of the date, the cross, and have a Fisher cert, whether original to that coin or not. Obviously someone drew the coin outline on the cert, but it is just as common to find a blank cert. I remember someone selling about 15 blank 1715 Fisher certs on Ebay once. I think they went for over $100.

I'll say that the 8 reale coin is less typical in shape than most 1715 fleet coins, which tend to be less round with edges sheared off at different angles and also signs of hammering, either in faceting edges or in knocking down points on the periphery. I highly recommend Alan Craig's book "Spanish Colonial Coins in the Florida Collection". If you look at all the examples of the 1715 Fleet Mexican coins you will the characteristics I am talking about. If you can get some bigger pictures that would be nice. How a coin dealer can sell with postage stamp sized coins is beyond me. I'll be glad to research it further. Remember, that you can always retract your bid if you like if you have a good reason (like, your pictures suck!).

I got a Mexican eight on Ebay now for half that if you gotta have one. 

.....or, I will help you find a good one representative of the 1715 Fleet.

Stan

If you

Have I gotten screwed here?

I think you did good price wise on the X69X 1/2 reale. Good to see some of the date, the cross, and have a Fisher cert, whether original to that coin or not. Obviously someone drew the coin outline on the cert, but it is just as common to find a blank cert. I remember someone selling about 15 blank 1715 Fisher certs on Ebay once. I think they went for over $100.

I'll say that the 8 reale coin is less typical in shape than most 1715 fleet coins, which tend to be less round with edges sheared off at different angles and also signs of hammering, either in faceting edges or in knocking down points on the periphery. I highly recommend Alan Craig's book "Spanish Colonial Coins in the Florida Collection". If you look at all the examples of the 1715 Fleet Mexican coins you will the characteristics I am talking about. If you can get some bigger pictures that would be nice. How a coin dealer can sell with postage stamp sized coins is beyond me. I'll be glad to research it further. Remember, that you can always retract your bid if you like if you have a good reason (like, your pictures suck!).

I got a Mexican eight on Ebay now for half that if you gotta have one.    .....or, I will help you find a good one representative of the 1715 Fleet.

Stan

Have I gotten screwed here?

I think you did good price wise on the X69X 1/2 reale. Good to see some of the date, the cross, and have a Fisher cert, whether original to that coin or not. Obviously someone drew the coin outline on the cert, but it is just as common to find a blank cert. I remember someone selling about 15 blank 1715 Fisher certs on Ebay once. I think they went for over $100.

I'll say that the 8 reale coin is less typical in shape than most 1715 fleet coins, which tend to be less round with edges sheared off at different angles and also signs of hammering, either in faceting edges or in knocking down points on the periphery. I highly recommend Alan Craig's book "Spanish Colonial Coins in the Florida Collection". If you look at all the examples of the 1715 Fleet Mexican coins you will the characteristics I am talking about. If you can get some bigger pictures that would be nice. How a coin dealer can sell with postage stamp sized coins is beyond me. I'll be glad to research it further. Remember, that you can always retract your bid if you like if you have a good reason (like, your pictures suck!).

I got a Mexican eight on Ebay now for half that if you gotta have one.    .....or, I will help you find a good one representative of the 1715 Fleet.

Stan