Digital cameras CAN see buried gold

David Villanueva,  has discovered that digital cameras can be easily adapted to reveal the location of buried treasure from up to several hundred yards away.
 
Having successfully used a Polaroid camera for photographing auras given off by buried metal for a number of years, David was horrified when Polaroid stopped making the film in 2005 and usable original film quickly became unavailable at any price.  In the short-term alternative film is available, which photographs treasure auras at least as well as the original film but Polaroid’s recent decision to cease all instant film production would make photographing treasure auras history…unless digital cameras could be used.

However, digital camera technology is very different to that of film cameras and what worked with Polaroid failed with digital.  A complete re-think was needed!  The breakthrough came after David learned of treasure hunters successfully using a highly specialised digital camera to locate caches buried along Spanish mule-train trails.  So clearly it was possible to photograph auras digitally but could it be done without spending a fortune on high-tech equipment?   After three years of intensive research the answer is absolutely yes!  Some, possibly many, popular digital cameras are up to the task.

Using readily available photographic accessories that anyone can easily attach, without causing damage, the digital cameras tested were able to record an aura, from a distance, on a single quarter-ounce (seven-gram) gold sovereign coin buried six inches (150mm) underground.  In extensive field trials cameras located buried metal over two feet (610mm) deep and could discriminate between different metals.  The cameras could be hand-held or tripod-mounted and could capture auras anytime during daylight hours in a wide range of weather conditions.  A colleague invited to test the system, with his own camera, clearly demonstrated that no special skill or ability was necessary by obtaining an aura on the first attempt.

The attached digital photograph shows an aura from one ounce of buried gold.

Why is the 'invisible aura' reflecting off the leaves above it?  This is absurd.

Do you have more info on this?

Why is the 'invisible aura' reflecting off the leaves above it?  This is absurd.

The small target produces a concentrated bright area on the ground, over the target and a 'haze' (like on hot roads) extending up and out for 6-12 inches or so depending on target size and other factors.  Hence surrounding vegetation will also reflect the aura, although less intensly than the target.   

Do you have more info on this?

All buried metals (only metals) produce some form of electromagnetic radiation or aura, outside the visible light range but detectable by a camera.  The strength of the aura is dependent mainly on the conductivity of the metal, with gold and silver giving the strongest auras.  All things being equal, the colour of the aura varies with the type of metal, with gold tending to be deep red and silver, orange.  So, the system will 'detect' all metal but there are two discrimination methods- aura size and colour. All this is explained and illustrated in The Successful Treasure Hunter’s Secret Manual, Discovering Treasure Auras in the Digital Age.  The system is ideal for hunting larger targets, it is not generally worthwhile using the system for single coins, except for perhaps a scattered cache, as a metal detector is quicker.  Clearly, there are advantages in being able to detect all metals as you may have a gold cache in an iron box or want to look for a jar of rare pennies etc.

Digital cameras that have so far produced auras are Canon, Olympus and Sony, with high-end models being the most flexible.  There are no cameras on the 'definitely doesn't work' list yet.

The best camera has picked up a single gold coin at 15 feet (can't test further - there's a building in the way) and all cameras have picked up 3 ounces of gold/silver at this distance.  A large iron object produced a discernible aura at 170 yards, and a gold cache has been found from an airplane using this process.

The main factors affecting the aura size are type and quantity of metal.  Temperature, and by inference, time of day is another important factor, particularly on small targets.  Higher temperatures produce stronger auras and the system can be frustrated at sub-zero temperatures by reflections off ice and snow.  You will also need to get a clear shot at the target as tall dense vegetation, buildings etc, will mask the aura.  

It is possible to effect the modification for nothing (without harming the camera) but the method is only really suitable for a quick test of camera capability.  I advise buying a commercial filter, which will cost from $10 upwards depending on camera, fittings, etc.

If you can point and shoot a camera, the system will work.  I invited a friend to try his own camera on my targets and his first shot produced an aura. I can shoot remotely from a computer also, without touching the camera, so you do not need any dowsing ability or special skill.

Sorry, if I have offended.  I was merely alerting the good folks here to an exciting and practical new method for hunting treasure.

So, what modifications / filters are required to try this ?

Diggem'

So, what modifications / filters are required to try this ?

Diggem'

You only need a filter fixed in front of the lens but the value of the filter depends on the camera.  Traditionally Polaroid SX-70 cameras used a UV filter (c.300nm) for aura photography but digital cameras work over a much larger wavelength range.  The camera, which took the picture I posted used a 720nm IR filter but other cameras have needed 850nm or 1000nm.

Sorry, if I have offended.  I was merely alerting the good folks here to an exciting and practical new method for hunting treasure, I didn't mention a book.

Why talk about yourself in third person?


To make it seem like you're sharing a newspaper article about yourself with all of us?



 

Intresting Concept !

although considered "Out there" By some,

Please feel free to Explain the Technique Here

Any Possabilities which can Help us TreasureHunters
Should at least Be reviewed

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very well put Blacksheep

2) You say "In extensive field trials cameras located buried metal over two feet (610mm) deep and could discriminate between different metals. ". Were these double blind tests? Countless people have been tested who have claimed to have located metals by various means. But that is only because they already knew where the metals were to begin with. If you have evidence from true scientific studies that employ acceptable tests then please share it. If you do then I'd be happen to listen to your ideas on the subject.

4) You say "The camera, which took the picture I posted used a 720nm IR filter but other cameras have needed 850nm or 1000nm.". You fail to mention that most digitial cameras have what is called an Internal IR Cut Filter over the sensor. This would likely have to be removed to get any real picture when using one of the filters you discuss above. Did you physically remove the internal IR filter when taking your pictures? Or did you post-process your pictures significantly to get any sort of image at all?

5) Please discuss your post processing techniques so that we can all understand what is required.

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7) You say "All buried metals (only metals) produce some form of electromagnetic radiation or aura, outside the visible light range but detectable by a camera. " (emphasis on the word buried is mine). Does this imply that metals which have not been buried do not produce a form of electromagnetic radiation? If so, why not? Are there circumstances besides being buried that would cause a metal to produce an aura?

8 ) Isn't it also possilble that what you are filming is not an aura at all? Instead it could be minute differences in ground/soil moisture or something else. Imagine a large Spanish cache burried along a trail. The dirt above the cache has been disturbed due to digging in such a way that it alters the "behavior" of the soil. It doesn't drain as well or the surface makeup is not quite the same as the soil around it. This alteration is not visible to the naked eye. But using a special camera and noting variances in output could potentially highlight the differences enough to show areas of "non-normal soil compactness/density/moisture". I can definitely believe that this could be the case. But it would have nothing to do with auras at all. This could also explain why natural gold deposits or smaller items are not easy to find but larger caches are (even from the air). I would definitely believe that this type of analysis would be worthwhile and has a lot of sound scientific basis.

It is very similar to the idea of those "turf glasses" that some professionals use to look at lawns. When looking at a lawn it is hard to see minute differences in color. If you put on a pair of specially designed turf specs you can supposedly see diseased areas that aren't visible to the naked eye. Perhaps this is the same type of thing but with natural ground conditions around caches.

Hey Midas….I for one will study anything that helps me find Treasure. You will never know when one word or sentence will led to a Treasure find….Art

Midas,

This is awesome information that I for one would like to try.  Could you tell me the make and model of camera that you used, and what you used for the filter?

2) You say "In extensive field trials cameras located buried metal over two feet (610mm) deep and could discriminate between different metals. ". Were these double blind tests? Countless people have been tested who have claimed to have located metals by various means. But that is only because they already knew where the metals were to begin with. If you have evidence from true scientific studies that employ acceptable tests then please share it. If you do then I'd be happen to listen to your ideas on the subject.

I have attached the first picture that alerted me to the fact that buried metals could be seen by digital cameras.  I was actually looking for a cache.  I dug down and 2 feet 3 inches below the surface I struck an iron utility pipe.  The pipe was supposed to be on the other side of the hedge, outside the field.  It seems that 50 years ago, when the pipe was laid, the contractors took a short cut across the field, without telling anyone.  It certainly wasn't on the landowner's plan.  I am afraid there wasn't a bunch of scientists looking on but I think that is a pretty good double blind test.  In case you are wondering why there is a distinct bright spot, instead of a line, that is a large flanged joint in the pipe, where there is more metal and it is slightly closer to the surface.  When I backed-off and took pictures, you can actually see the line of the pipe as a light 'streak'.  I then set out a test bed using different metals to try and understand the process.  I have carried out a successful single blind test on my test bed and I am busily researching cache sites to do some more double blind tests as well as recover the caches, of course.

Midas,

This is awesome information that I for one would like to try.  Could you tell me the make and model of camera that you used, and what you used for the filter?

Don't get hung up on make and model of camera, a range of cameras have produced auras and I'm getting reports almost daily of different cameras producing good results.  I wouldn't bother with a cellphone camera but if you have a reasonable digital camera, you can quite easily try it out on a buried metal sample (preferably gold or silver).  You will also need an IR pass filter to fit over the lens, you can make a rough and ready filter from the black section at the end of exposed traditional colour film.  Fit one sheet of film in front of the lens (approx 720nm) and take a shot of your sample at the hottest part of the day, with the Sun behind you.  You will probably need to process the image with your camera's software, using enhance, fix or increasing gamma.  If you get a 'false colour' infrared image, the filter isn't strong enough, so add another sheet (850nm) or two (1000nm) of the film material.  Once you have found the correct amount of filtering to get an aura, buy the equivalent commercial filter.

"Midas", I see that you failed to answer my other questions but thanks for your response to one of them.

but I think that is a pretty good double blind test. 

Unfortunately, I don't find this to be a very valid test of "auras". As I said before it could simply be that this area was damp or had been disturbed which caused it to "look different" to the camera. Also, this is a very common problem encountered when talking to dowsers. They get a strong signal somewhere and start digging. When they find something they announce success. Yet they could have passed over hundreds of other real treasures on their way to digging up some unknown item. They also never tell us how many failures they have had on their way to making that one discovery. I can dig randomly without using a camera and likely find metal in the ground at least 10% of the time depending on where I am digging. That doesn't mean that I have special powers of deduction.

I find it lacking in validation by actually finding unknown buried treasures. The book is "must have" reading if you simply want to change colours of objects in the photographs.

You will probably need to process the image with your camera's software, using enhance, fix or increasing gamma. 

These quotes tend to confirm my suspicions that your "process" entails taking IR photos that have very little true light input to work with. You haven't removed the internal IR filter that removes a significant portion of the IR input so the pictures must be very dark and filled with noise. Then you bump up the gamma, saturation, and apply coloration over photographs to create areas of false coloration that could mean anything.

For the record, I do think that it could be possible to use photography to find buried caches. But not because metals have an aura. I think that you would instead be looking for areas of disturbed ground that you couldn't otherwise see with the naked eye. This could potentially point you to a cache. But it probably wouldn't be useful for finding natural gold deposits or small items.

"Midas", I see that you failed to answer my other questions but thanks for your response to one of them.

but I think that is a pretty good double blind test. 

Unfortunately, I don't find this to be a very valid test of "auras". As I said before it could simply be that this area was damp or had been disturbed which caused it to "look different" to the camera. Also, this is a very common problem encountered when talking to dowsers. They get a strong signal somewhere and start digging. When they find something they announce success. Yet they could have passed over hundreds of other real treasures on their way to digging up some unknown item. They also never tell us how many failures they have had on their way to making that one discovery. I can dig randomly without using a camera and likely find metal in the ground at least 10% of the time depending on where I am digging. That doesn't mean that I have special powers of deduction.

I find it lacking in validation by actually finding unknown buried treasures. The book is "must have" reading if you simply want to change colours of objects in the photographs.

You will probably need to process the image with your camera's software, using enhance, fix or increasing gamma. 

These quotes tend to confirm my suspicions that your "process" entails taking IR photos that have very little true light input to work with. You haven't removed the internal IR filter that removes a significant portion of the IR input so the pictures must be very dark and filled with noise. Then you bump up the gamma, saturation, and apply coloration over photographs to create areas of false coloration that could mean anything.

For the record, I do think that it could be possible to use photography to find buried caches. But not because metals have an aura. I think that you would instead be looking for areas of disturbed ground that you couldn't otherwise see with the naked eye. This could potentially point you to a cache. But it probably wouldn't be useful for finding natural gold deposits or small items.

My apologies for my tardy reply to all your questions - I'll do my best to answer this one.

To some extent, I accept your ground disturbance idea.  This is how false colour infrared photography works, where you can usefully distinguish old trails and the like, showing up as a different colour or shade.  These metal auras do not show up if the camera is set up for false colour IR photography - I guess they are drowned out by too much IR.  The filtering needs to be at a higher wavelength than for false colour, where the buried metal then shows up as a bright area, with possibly a haze above it (particularly noticeable on gold and silver).  You can actually see the bright area on the camera's screen if the target is large.  With any treasure hunting instrument, including metal detectors, you never know what you don't find.  However, I can say that whenever I get an aura image I can usually find the buried metal that produced it, so it is almost as positive as a metal detector.

Digital cameras are extremely sensitive to near infrared radiation, hence manufacturers have had to fit internal IR blocking filters to subdue the amount of IR reaching the sensor, as you say, this filter has to remain in place.  I believe also digital cameras can use something like 70% of available light compared to 2% for film cameras, so although the image produced is very dark it is possible to see the aura on large targets without enhancing.  However enhancing the image does give a clearer picture to work with and brings out the colour so you can get an idea of the metal composition of the target.  Accepting that science now has a problem, since it has been proven that the observer influences the results, I can take pictures, day after day, in different conditions and using the same setup, I get the same colour aura, relating to a specific metal, in the same place, every time - in other words, the results are repeatable.  I'm also getting feedback from other treasure hunters' having success, with the method, so it is not unique to me.

I agree that is is not the most suitable method for small targets, most of the time, however it is a very viable method for large targets like caches and large natural gold deposits.

These metal auras do not show up if the camera is set up for false colour IR photography - I guess they are drowned out by too much IR.

Thanks for the reply Midas. I'm curious though about the above statement. How is a false color IR setup different from what you are doing? Different filters? Removing the internal IR cut filter? Other?

These metal auras do not show up if the camera is set up for false colour IR photography - I guess they are drowned out by too much IR.

Thanks for the reply Midas. I'm curious though about the above statement. How is a false color IR setup different from what you are doing? Different filters? Removing the internal IR cut filter? Other?

If you remove the internal IR cut filter the camera will be so sensitive to IR that you will not see any aura.  In brief, you need to filter the camera beyond its false colour capability.  If I can illustrate with three photos of the same area containing buried targets of 1 ounce gold; 2 ounces silver; quarter ounce gold, taken with an old digital camera that has a less effective IR cut filter than many.  The first is taken through a 720nm IR pass filter, not enhanced, resulting in a false colour IR image.  The second is taken through an 820nm IR pass filter, not enhanced, resulting in a more or less grayscale image.  I cannot see any aura or ground disturbance in either of these photos, although I reckon significant ground disturbance would show up on one or both of these.  The third is taken through a 1000nm IR pass filter and enhanced.  You should be able to see three circular or ball auras, which correspond to the buried targets (there are also some reflections, which are probably caused by the filter holder).  These circular or ball auras occur with low-end cameras and lenses and are one of the reasons I am fairly sure that we are looking at auras or electromagnetic radiation as opposed to ground disturbance.

Please answer the most important question of all. If this works then why write books or post about it here, why aren't you out finding treasure all over the place ? Have you ever found treasure ? Did you find the treasure using this technique ?

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Please answer the most important question of all. If this works then why write books or post about it here, why aren't you out finding treasure all over the place ? Have you ever found treasure ? Did you find the treasure using this technique ?

Thanks for your searching question.  I love to treasure hunt and I love to write (particularly about treasure hunting) so I do both regularly.  When I find the 'big one', I will still do both - you have to do something with your life.  I posted here because I enjoy helping my fellow treasure hunters and I can't find it all on my own.  As a result of posting here, behind the scenes, one very smart guy has taken my ideas and literally overnight adapted them to a camcorder, so I now have a further useful development to this technique and a new friend.  I am finding treasure all over the place, you will find me and my treasure finds in most British Treasure Annual Reports and at present I have a cache of gold coins going through the system.  The cache is a further cache from the same site, where I successfully used my old Polaroid SX-70 to find gold coins.  I am currently lining potential treasure sites up to use my digital camera technique on, when the conditions (crops) allow.  Watch this space, as they say.

How can I identify you and your finds in the Annual British Treasure report ? You say you have a cache of gold coins going through the system, care to disclose what type of coins and how many ?

With all that time and effort, why not just try the technique and see for your self.

What time and effort ?   you mean the two minutes of posting I've had to do so far ?  

Is there a problem with wanting to see a treasure that some one has reported to find ?

What time and effort ?   you mean the two minutes of posting I've had to do so far ?  

Is there a problem with wanting to see a treasure that some one has reported to find ?

  No Problem I see.

I would like to see it also.

However with all the Posts that
Crop up Saying
"Don't" I'd be surprised if many
would.

I wouldn't either Jeff as you know I never post my finds. But Midas says he's already declared these finds and there in the British Treasure report, so I just hope we can track down some pics if this is true he should get a banner spot. And I'll be the first to tear apart and mod my Digital cam. 

I wouldn't either Jeff as you know I never post my finds. But Midas says he's already declared these finds and there in the British Treasure report, so I just hope we can track down some pics if this is true he should get a banner spot. And I'll be the first to tear apart and mod my Digital cam. 

Well I Can Guarentee it won't get a Banner spot
Simply because I'm sure He wasn't a member when he found it
and it's not recent, however, He is Definately Welcome to post it here
or in Best Finds.

Jeff

I wouldn't either Jeff as you know I never post my finds. But Midas says he's already declared these finds and there in the British Treasure report, so I just hope we can track down some pics if this is true he should get a banner spot. And I'll be the first to tear apart and mod my Digital cam.  

Well I Can Guarentee it won't get a Banner spot
Simply because I'm sure He wasn't a member when he found it
and it's not recent, however, He is Definately Welcome to post it here
or in Best Finds.

Jeff

I Take it Back on him not Being a member

he's been here since '05

But how Recent ?

Maybe BEST OF with a good account of the find

You should be able to see three circular or ball auras, which correspond to the buried targets

I see them. But they aren't reddish in color. Didn't you say that gold auras are red and silver auras are orange? Or am I not looking at the correct circular balls in the picture?

How can I identify you and your finds in the Annual British Treasure report ? You say you have a cache of gold coins going through the system, care to disclose what type of coins and how many ?

Most of the Treasure Reports used to be downloadable from the DCMS website but they seem to have disappeared except for 2002.

The 2002 Treasure Report can be downloaded from here:
http://www.culture.gov.uk/reference_library/publications/4621.aspx/

I am on page 92 with a gold medieval finger ring.

I'll post pictures anyway.

The recent gold coins are nine Iron Age Staters, c.50BC, recovered jointly with the landowner.

I remain unconvinced of the validity of finding gold via "auras". i do believe this warrents further investigation and perhaps much easier to understand photos. A grouping of photos all from the same angle showing regular light, "aura" light, and after digging to check the cause of the "aura" would certainly clear the confusion.

How can I identify you and your finds in the Annual British Treasure report ? You say you have a cache of gold coins going through the system, care to disclose what type of coins and how many ?

Most of the Treasure Reports used to be downloadable from the DCMS website but they seem to have disappeared except for 2002.

The 2002 Treasure Report can be downloaded from here:
http://www.culture.gov.uk/reference_library/publications/4621.aspx/

I am on page 92 with a gold medieval finger ring.

I'll post pictures anyway.

The recent gold coins are nine Iron Age Staters, c.50BC, recovered jointly with the landowner.

Pictures we need pictures and explanations the who's and where's etc... In fact how about a video showing your camera technique in action ? With all the gold you must be finding, I'm sure you'll be able to afford some traveling around, how about a personal demonstration for some of us insiders. I could hide some of my own Gold coins and rings etc... Then you come hunt my 25 acre farm for the buried Gold. Whaddya say ?

I read and re-read every post to this point---I have heard of this concept several times before, I find it extremely interesting but I also am the "show me" type of person.  I will not doubt the poster's statements that this works, in fact I would really like to have it work.  If anyone in New Mexico reads this subject, has tried this for themselves and feels it is a valid way to find precious metals, I would like them to PM me and I really would like to see this work in action.  I would spend the money needed for a camera set up for just this very thing if I could see good results from photos I was personally involved in taking.
Thanks again for the article and photos.
Minstrel

You should be able to see three circular or ball auras, which correspond to the buried targets

I see them. But they aren't reddish in color. Didn't you say that gold auras are red and silver auras are orange? Or am I not looking at the correct circular balls in the picture?

You are looking at the right balls.  Aura color depends mainly on camera, lens, filter and target size.  The color is probably filtered out by having to use 1000nm filter on this camera.

Pictures we need pictures and explanations the who's and where's etc... In fact how about a video showing your camera technique in action ? With all the gold you must be finding, I'm sure you'll be able to afford some traveling around, how about a personal demonstration for some of us insiders. I could hide some of my own Gold coins and rings etc... Then you come hunt my 25 acre farm for the buried Gold. Whaddya say ?

Here's a photo of one of my recently found Iron Age, Ambiani E, gold Staters c.60-55BC.  These coins were struck on the reverse side only with the abstract design of a horse.  This is one of a group of nine currently being processed under the Treasure Act; a further nine, found earlier have already been processed.

I will organise a video of the camera technique.  It will take a little time and it will have to be on a planted target as I can't take a cameraman with me everywhere.

Thank you for your offer, which I would accept if I wasn't so far away.  However, if anyone is visiting England, I would be quite happy to demonstrate.

I have an excellent digital camera, no filters, and have taken literally hundreds of thousands of pictures in every kind of weather and condition and temprature in a billion locations.

I must be bad at auras cause I've never photographed any.

I think you are very lucky to have all the right combinations to make these pictures work... as with the rest of the world taking as many pictures as Obama spends dollars you would think someone else would have stumbled onto this fabulous thing. 

You're a tallented guy.  I would be patenting the technique and making a fortune.   

Just think what will become of the huge gold fields of Alaska and Australia and Canada etc....... We might as well all pack it up and go home if this system gets out. 

[Goldfinger]

As you have apparantly harnessed the paranormal you can also earn $1,000,000 from the James Randi Foundation if you can duplicate the results in a controlled scientific observation.   

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Good luck.   

As you have apparantly harnessed the paranormal you can also earn $1,000,000 from the James Randi Foundation if you can duplicate the results in a controlled scientific observation.    

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html

Good luck.  

w00t!!!   Great idea!    

Hear Hear!  Let us know how it goes!

Whoa I don't see where paranormal enters into taking infrared photos,that's pretty solid evidence.  I too have the book and would encourage those on this thread to get it for themselves before jumping to conclusions.  I ordered a infrared lowpass filter over the weekend from Edmund's optical division,cost me all of $6 for a 1"X1" piece of the film plus shipping.

If you look at a curve of the spectral reflectance of gold, it goes from 40% at 500nm to 80% at 600nm but the curve starts to flatten out (98%) at about 800nm through 10um and beyond (see www.ealingcatalog.com and "Metallic Coatings").  Silver jumps from 0% to 90% at 300nm and flattens out at around 500nm at 95% reflectance.

From the authors photographs there could be other components in there as well, possibly some ionization as the coloring is shown resting on the ground not in the air.  If that is the case then it would only work on gold that has been in the soil for a long time with the right minerals to naturally leach out some ions of gold and with the wicking effect would appear on the surface.

On another aspect of gold, I was on nanotechweb.org where it was found that a 795nm laser on gold produces a "strong white luminescence".

When I get my filter and go to known lode or placer gold locations and am able to duplicate the results, I will post them here.

Randy

So now there are two relatively new posters, promoting this technique. That should shame all you doubters. Obviously we have some new technology here which is going to make a few believers rich. Just like those other guys that for how many years have been telling us they can find gold at great distances. I know they haven't yet, but they will someday and then we'll all learn our lessons about believing. Now I gotta run along and join Peter and Wendy, that stupid Croc keeps chasing me.

Don't be afraid of investigating a possible scientific effect.  In thinking further this is more likely a fluorescence of the metallic ions on the surface.  In the book the author shows how the brightness of the  coloring is affected by the amount of sunlight from morning till dusk, brightest at the peak sunlight hours.

Far as the photoelectric effect, the threshold frequency is 244nm for gold which the sun can provide easily. 

If I am unable to duplicate the authors work, oh well.  Beats sitting on the sideline throwing rocks.

Randy

If I am unable to duplicate the authors work, oh well.  Beats sitting on the sideline throwing rocks.

Randy

I Like the way You Think.

[Goldfinger]

Far as the photoelectric effect, the threshold frequency is 244nm for gold which the sun can provide easily. 

If I am unable to duplicate the authors work, oh well.  Beats sitting on the sideline throwing rocks.

I'm not throwing rocks.  I pointed him to where he can make an easy million dollars.  I wish someone would do that for me free and up front.

Sunlight does in fact transfer enormous quantities of energy.  On ALL visible and many "invisible" frequencies.  But much is absorbed by the atmosphere the remainder doesn't penetrate soil much at all.  Heat does, and heat is merely low frequency light.  If the gold is acting as a catalyst and producing some effect it would be scaleable (work with small or large quantities) and repeatable (no excuses).  That's all science requires.

I chose "paranormal" because the effects described are outside of the accepted natural science.  Look it up.  It simlpy means "not scientifically explainable".

I have a very open mind.  But also a very closed wallet and firm belief that extrordinary claims require extrordinary proof.

Swr,

A digital camera either picks up the signal or it doesn't.  Unlike a dowsing rod that depends on the user, a camera is piece of unbiased equipment,no different than a metal detector.  So is a metal detector a paranormal piece of equipment be it long range or short range?  Cameras by nature can photograph either extremely close or thousands to X amount of light years away such as the Hubble Telescope which by your defination fits as a long range locator.

ONLY when a human being is required to make something work or not is it in the realms of paranormal-period.  Just because the author used software to enhance the picture again is no different than what detectives or astrophysicists do in their line of work.  Look at a picture of the stars using only Gamma waves or X-rays or Infrared,each one aimed at the same area will show  a different view completely.

Ok, so I just got home and low and behold my infrared lowpass or longpass filter arrived so now the experimenting begins.  I wish it has arrived earlier as today I was in a known placer gold area in the Mojave so it will be a few days before I head out to another placer gold area.

I would encourage all the skeptics out there to cough up the measly $6 bucks plus postage it costs for the filter to do their own homework.  I mean I don't mind sharing as Midas has done but if you're going to remain unconvinced get off your seats and find out for yourselves what the results are.

Randy

Randy,

The "signal" being produced is...what? Gold is inert, and does not produce a "signal". The "signal" is a part of the LRL belief system, and not real science.

The IR phenomenon can be recreated with any photograph using this method...be it out in the desert, backyard or living room couch. These claims of finding buried treasures using IR photography or IR camcorders are not new. Alternatively, they are also not supported by mainstream science or other validating sources. These claims are however supported by LRL manufactures and those of that nature.

And SWR knows this, because he read it in a book. I guess it just comes down to which theory you choose to believe. I DO have to wonder why someone with such superior intelligence would study a book about something he KNOWS can't be right.

I wonder why, statistally, only a few people on the planet can do this? With all the people on earth taking multi-trillions of pictures every minute with every concevable type, age, style, format of camera, only a handfull of folks can ever (much less repeatedly) take these pics?  The math must make this statistically inconceivable.

I'm not convinced, but, it's a pleasure to have a few of those folks right here on TreasureNet with us.  

I have an excellent digital camera, no filters, and have taken literally hundreds of thousands of pictures in every kind of weather and condition and temprature in a billion locations.

I must be bad at auras cause I've never photographed any.

I think you are very lucky to have all the right combinations to make these pictures work... as with the rest of the world taking as many pictures as Obama spends dollars you would think someone else would have stumbled onto this fabulous thing. 

You're a tallented guy.  I would be patenting the technique and making a fortune.   

If cameras naturally photographed auras most folks would be complaining the camera doesn't work properly so you can be fairly certain that manufacturers have inhibited that ability, if they ever discovered it in the first place.

In 1996, Louis J Matacia wrote, Finding Treasure Auras, which discussed using the Polaroid SX-70, under low-light conditions for photographing auras.  He also said that Latin American Indians (Aztecs, Incas, etc.) used to be able to see these auras under certain conditions, with the naked eye.  It is documentated that a group of treasure hunter's found a cache of Spanish gold, from the air, using a specially built expensive IR camera.  Following the demise of SX-70/ time-zero film, all I've done is adapted those pieces of information and developed a method of viewing auras that works with ordinary digital cameras.

No one can deny that Midas has found gold. Even SWR gave him some. 

My point was instead of just sitting on the couch theorizing which can go on ad nausium, talk from actual hands on experience.  Opinions be it mine or yours or what others have done mean nothing until you can talk from actual experience.  Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't but if you persist on commenting on this thread at least be a participant,that's all I'm asking.

For just a few bucks and a small amount of effort you will have talking rights,

Randy

My point was instead of just sitting on the couch theorizing which can go on ad nausium, talk from actual hands on experience.  Opinions be it mine or yours or what others have done mean nothing until you can talk from actual experience.  Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't but if you persist on commenting on this thread at least be a participant,that's all I'm asking.

For just a few bucks and a small amount of effort you will have talking rights,

Randy

This is what I have decided to do for myself.  I was able to find some cheap ir filters on ebay that should mate to my digital camera fairly easily.  Once the filters arrive I will be testing this theory and taking some pictures.  I will be happy to post the pictures that I take whether it works or not.

Go for it rj, I trust rj to tell the truth since know he and I don't see eye to eye on all topics I can trust him to tell the truth here because he has no idea where I stand. 

Ok naysayers this will make your day-I tried taking 4 pictures in my backyard where I have dumped my gold concentrates for over 10 years and tried all the effects that Googles Picasa gives you and no unique coloring.

When I find time I'll post the pics.  Like I said,whether it works or not,oh well.  So if after other tests and using the same software as the author if it still doesn't work I'm out $40-big deal.     

Randy

I'd like very much to buy a copy of that 1970's report from you.
  I'm using a IR Longpass filter that starts around 710nm to 1100nm, that is basically a steep skirted bandpass filter with some ripples in the passband.  Reminds me of a Chebychev bandpass filter response.

Thank you for your kind help,

Randy

couldnt find it anywhere, but i coulda swore someone had posted a picture of an aluminum can or something in the dowsing forum, with a blue aura around it in a picture..anybody remember that?

It does seem logical that a piece of metal, after being in the ground for a long period of time, would show some kind of discorolation, especially in the soil around it, while it sat there deteriorating. We just cant see it with the naked eye. Not sure about an aura, unless it was shallow you may be able to see it with some sort of camera, but anythings possible. Theres a whole lot of things that go on in this world we havent yet learned.

Interesting i think.

couldnt find it anywhere, but i coulda swore someone had posted a picture of an aluminum can or something in the dowsing forum, with a blue aura around it in a picture..anybody remember that?

It does seem logical that a piece of metal, after being in the ground for a long period of time, would show some kind of discorolation, especially in the soil around it, while it sat there deteriorating. We just cant see it with the naked eye. Not sure about an aura, unless it was shallow you may be able to see it with some sort of camera, but anythings possible. Theres a whole lot of things that go on in this world we havent yet learned.

Interesting i think.

I believe you are referring to the altered picture "Art" posts from time to time.

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yep, that would be the one, didnt study it long enough to see if it was 'altered'..but, now..im not trying to get an arguement started. It just came to mind. 

Ok, here we go.  Yes gold is inert until it comes in contact with natural chlorine which is abundant.  Then it becomes ionic and travels,hence the basis for Geochemical Prospecting.  Look up Supergene gold deposits.  Go to your local college and pull the book "Geochemistry of gold" by R.W. Boyle  I own a copy and have read it twice, the 2nd time I took good notes.

Also there was an excellent article called "Succeeding with Infrared Photography" by Eugene J. Erdos (of Infrared Photogeological Services) in the April 1990 California Mining Journal that's a darn good read.  In it the author quotes from Kodak's "Applied Infrared Photography",M28,P.3 1981 where it says "infrared luminescence is caused by illuminating the object with relatively long wave-length radiation(visible blue or green) which the object re-emits at longer wavelengths (infrared radiation).  Talks about "Differentiated  infrared photography" and "This type of differentiated IR photography will show the orebody under the overburden, and will omit surface features totally, showing only the infrared ore zone as if it were bare".  The closing paragraph of the article says that infrared only photography produces a red and black picture, infrared and non-infrared.  Says this is between 700-900nm.  "Within these wavelengths, the evidence suggests that one particular band is most responsible for the infrared radiation emanating form ore deposits".   

Hope this sheds some light so to speak,

Randy

Ok naysayers this will make your day-I tried taking 4 pictures in my backyard where I have dumped my gold concentrates for over 10 years and tried all the effects that Googles Picasa gives you and no unique coloring.

When I find time I'll post the pics.  Like I said,whether it works or not,oh well.  So if after other tests and using the same software as the author if it still doesn't work I'm out $40-big deal.     

Randy

Hello Randy,

If you would like to email me your raw pics, I'll process them with my software and see what happens.  How much weight of solid gold do you think is in your dumped concentrates and over what sort of area and depth?  The technique is best used on a piece of solid gold of at least coin size, with gold particles, which I presume is what you will be photographing, the aura may be too dispersed to be seen.

The natural chlorine in soil doesn't discriminate between natural gold and gold on a coin.  All's it knows is gold is gold is gold and into solution it goes a little at a time and turns Au into AuCl-4 (see Introduction to Geochemistry by Krauskopf pg.523 under "Oxidation of Gold"another good book I own).
Again go to your college library and pull "The Enrichment of Ore Deposits" USGS Bulletin 625 by William Harvey Emmons.  Yeah I know it's an old book but a classic text that's in my library.  Ok, on pg. 307 under the heading of Sources of Chlorine in Gold Deposits it will explain about chlorine in the presence of Manganese dissolves gold-any gold , that would include a coin. 

Ok so you've got several books to read,man you better tank up on some Starbucks cause it's going to be a long time hitting the books. (or just get a double shot that will spin your propeller).

Randy

I have received the filters for my camera but the last week has been crazy with storms just about every day so I have not had a chance to get out and test my camera with the filters.  Now, I know that we need the sun to warm the ground up where some suspected gold or silver is but how dry should the ground be for this to work optimally?  I turned my sprinklers off to dry out my yard a bit but with the rain coming down heavy at times my yard is wetter then it was when I was watering it with the sprinklers.  Let me know what you guys think.

What are the filters that you ordered?  I've already tried the 750nm longpass that cuts everything off from that frequency down.  When I get some money I'll buy a 800+900 Bandpass .

Randy

It is documentated that a group of treasure hunter's found a cache of Spanish gold, from the air, using a specially built expensive IR camera.  

But did they document that it was discovered due to "auras" or was it just the "ground disturbance" idea that I've talked about several times already? I have no problem with someone saying that they can use processed infrared pictures to see ground disturbances to find hidden treasures. It's the whole idea of "auras" that I have a hard time with. So far there has still been no proof given in this thread. Just some second-hand stories that aren't even potentially on topic and some pictures that could be of anything at all and show no actual gold or treasures being found.

I'm with SWR on this one. Show us some proof, any type of proof. Otherwise this is just getting tiresome at best.

Yep as much as SWR's one of my favorite skeptics, I gotta agree.  I've kinda moved on to other projects just waiting for others to experiment to see if they had better luck than I did.

Randy

What are the filters that you ordered?  I've already tried the 750nm longpass that cuts everything off from that frequency down.  When I get some money I'll buy a 800+900 Bandpass .

Randy

This is what I picked up on ebay:  http://cgi.ebay.com/58mm-58-mm-Infr...=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A570|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A3|294%3A50

Comes with a 720nm, 760nm, 850nm, and 950nm filter.  As soon as it stops raining and dries out here I will be able to start testing.  Today at noon it looked like it was 9PM at night during the summer.  We should have already been dry for the rest of the summer.

What are the filters that you ordered?  I've already tried the 750nm longpass that cuts everything off from that frequency down.  When I get some money I'll buy a 800+900 Bandpass .

Randy

This is what I picked up on ebay:  http://cgi.ebay.com/58mm-58-mm-Infr...=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A570|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A3|294%3A50

Comes with a 720nm, 760nm, 850nm, and 950nm filter.  As soon as it stops raining and dries out here I will be able to start testing.  Today at noon it looked like it was 9PM at night during the summer.  We should have already been dry for the rest of the summer.

Take a few test shots inside of your house, as well. Don't limit yourself.

Will do.

It is documentated that a group of treasure hunter's found a cache of Spanish gold, from the air, using a specially built expensive IR camera.  

But did they document that it was discovered due to "auras" or was it just the "ground disturbance" idea that I've talked about several times already? I have no problem with someone saying that they can use processed infrared pictures to see ground disturbances to find hidden treasures. It's the whole idea of "auras" that I have a hard time with. So far there has still been no proof given in this thread. Just some second-hand stories that aren't even potentially on topic and some pictures that could be of anything at all and show no actual gold or treasures being found.

I'm with SWR on this one. Show us some proof, any type of proof. Otherwise this is just getting tiresome at best.

They describe it as a flash and call it Free Electron Radiation Field.  You can read the story at the end of The Four Corners Treasure on Ancient Treasure Hunter website. 

From the quoted source:

In October of 1994, we returned to the sites that had been singled out from before mentioned explorations. This time the area was photographed with the most sensitive infrared chemical film available. There were three flashes that appeared on the frames. The three flashes are in separate locations, but the largest is on the mesa and if you look closely you can see a very faint road or track leading to the flash.
In August of 1995, with the cooperation of Kodak and Nikon Camera companies, Kodak produced a digital CCD Infra-Red camera for the group that is the most sophisticated camera in existence today. At this time this is the only color CCD Infra-Red camera in Private hands in the world.
With this camera, the area was re-photographed and the original site was confirmed by another flash. This proves that there is a cache at this location. An ex partner had been awarded an exploration permit for the search of this area.....So far he has been met with failures upon failures.

So these "flashes" are said to be Free Radiation Electron Fields. Wouldn't it be easier to explain these flashes as being shards of glass, coins, or other objects that reflect light and indicate a human presence in the area? Why do they assume that these things are auras or electron fields when other more common explanations exist?

Also, why was the ex partner met with "failures upon failures" if he had a photo showing him exactly where the cache was? This smells fishy to me. They talk about how they determined where to take the pictures in the first place. They found ground disturbances from where the mules had dragged poles and such to cover up the digging area. So they went to high probability areas and took pictures and then decided to dig. And lo and behold they actually found something. How many of these flashes led to nothing at all?

I'm not saying that it isn't possible. But is sure seems like an awful lot of hocus pocus to me when there are seemingly logical explanations that are supported by science. I mean, maybe it is possible to use a camera to find gold. But not by seeing auras. Instead, you use them to find ground disturbances and locate areas of prior human activity where there should be none. Who wouldn't believe that such a thing is possible?

It also sounds like the camera they used was not a standard stock camera. It was specially made by Kodak for them. So much for using any old consumer digital camera to take your shots.

Its not a ground disturbances.  I think science call this as magnetic field, which is normally a character of metals when they are buried, which is pick up by your metal detecting gadget and what midas was doing is using a camera to capture this magnetic field emmision from a metal.  Its really interesting and pic shows sumting.  Thier is just a little secret in timing about it. Right midas?......

Its not a ground disturbances.  I think science call this as magnetic field, which is normally a character of metals when they are buried, which is pick up by your metal detecting gadget and what midas was doing is using a camera to capture this magnetic field emmision from a metal.  Its really interesting and pic shows sumting.  Thier is just a little secret in timing about it. Right midas?......

Yes, you're right.  I had a deep and meaningful conversation with a nuclear physicist about this and he was of the opinion that the camera was photographing electromagnetic radiation caused by interaction of the buried metal with the Earth's magnetic field.  Magnetic field disturbance perhaps.

Its not a ground disturbances.  I think science call this as magnetic field, which is normally a character of metals when they are buried, which is pick up by your metal detecting gadget and what midas was doing is using a camera to capture this magnetic field emmision from a metal.  Its really interesting and pic shows sumting.  Thier is just a little secret in timing about it. Right midas?......

Yes, you're right.  I had a deep and meaningful conversation with a nuclear physicist about this and he was of the opinion that the camera was photographing electromagnetic radiation caused by interaction of the buried metal with the Earth's magnetic field.  Magnetic field disturbance perhaps.

David...please.     

Gold is magnetic? Gold deteriorates?

Why then is not the entire earth giving off this "glow" in every picture ever taken?

Well well gentlemen: I have been quietly following this thread for some time.  I believe that it is time to start putting things into proper prospective and not keep this jumping around like a flea in a hot pan going..

A)  I commend midas and want him to continue without having to explain things, that with a bit of thought are self explanatory, and not pertinent in any event.

B)  SWR since you claim that your book is worthless, may I suggest that you send it to me for review, I will pay the postage naturally.

C)  Gold readily goes into a visible ionic stage in much of the west where the soil conditions are amendable,  i.e.  have  the various chemicals readily available.  Cyanide, chlorine, the halides etc.,  and on. 

D)  The amount of Au necessary for this effect is almost infinitesimal to produce the so called "Treasure lights" which are famous in the west and have been used to successfully recover many treasures.  I myself have recovered 7 mule loads of 8 Reales by this means.  I have posted this picture,  which swr  vividly remembers  hehehhe.

E)  In theory it is quite conceivable that  buried metal can be detected by a camera which is far, far more sensitive to certain energies than the human senses are supposedly capable of receiving.  If it can be adapted to find buried precious metals  so be it, nothing supernatural about that.

F)  May I suggest that you search some of the latest Geochemical and geological tools for investigating metals  1000's of feet underground now being utilized to successfully find economical mineral bodies.   

 --->  http://www.geophysics.co.uk/mets1.html

Just a few years ago these techniques were declared impossible, but???

Corrective suggestions are far more fruitful than completely negative ones that upon speculation are shown to be self negating.

Many many discoveries are simply buried because of top peer pressure since they would tend to undermine a theory that the top one had dedicated his life to being the supreme expert  of.  Many a career has been ruined by going against  peer pressure only to later find that the rebel was correct

May I suggest the present approved manner of treating cancer as a horrible example of burying any new techniques.

If I remember correctly, Dr Land was ridiculed for his theory of color photography.  Simply using two separate frequencies to form the entire visible spectrum.

Sigh, oh well on with it Midas, my friend, I intend to follow up what you may present, whether  backed up by scientific double blind studies  etc., or not. At this early stage even anecdotal reports are acceptable.

Don Jose de La Mancha

HI SWR: I thank you for that nice post.  However rationality is required on both sides of the discussion.  I have not seen this yet.  I personally intend to milk this subject for what I can, since it does show promise, is explainable, and logically consistant with what I know or have experienced..

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s  Have a nice day my friend SWR, and reserve a day in the not too distant future when we can sit down to a nice jug of coffee and just plain BS.  I personally would enjoy that.

After my own observation about the comments... I decided to try this unconventional method on one of my site.. the four pics will show the interesting capture

OK. It has finally dried out enough here that I am going to be taking some pictures. I tried to take some pictures inside of my coins but I don't think that it worked.  Probably to much interference from other metallic sources like pipes and nails and heating/ac duct work in the house.  I will do my best to be up front with This experiment so that everyone knows that I don't have anything hidden up my sleeves.  Having said this, here are a couple pictures of the coins and photographic hardware that I will be using.  My camera is a Kodak Easyshare P850, which is capable of 5MP which I would imagine is more than enough to see anything.  The filters attach to my camera with an adapter which the pictures will show.  I have a total of 14 coins which are 90% silver, they include 2 silver dollars, 6 half dollars, and 6 dimes.  The total weight of these coins is equal to 5 oz. I will take pictures tomorrow of the target area before, during and after burying the coins with and without the UV and IR filters.  I wanted to complete all of this today but like most of you, I have to go to work to support my treasure hunting habit.

theirs a bit of techniqe and timing in using your filter...............

Would a 900nm bandpass be a good choice for gold ore detection?

Randy

theirs a bit of technique and timing in using your filter...............

What is the best technique to use?  As far as I understand, it is best to be between 45 and 90 degrees perpendicular to the sun with the sun at your back.  With an IR filter I can take the pictures at high noon.  Is there a better way?  I would be happy to try all possible methods with these filters so that we can make the best educated deductions with this.  After all, if this really works we are going to have hundreds and maybe thousands of us running around the hills snapping pictures through digital cameras fitted with IR and UV filters looking for lost treasure.

Would a 900nm bandpass be a good choice for gold ore detection?

Randy

Randy,

While taking some test pictures with these filters I snapped some shots of my BBQ Grill while it was hot. (I had a very nice steak)  The 720nm, 760nm, and 850nm filters allowed for some recognizable pictures with the 850nm barely producing anything visible.  The photo taken with the 950nm filter was totally dark and unrecognizable.

Rjwmam,

Has your camera had the IR blocking filter removed from the CCD?  Also thank you for the excellent response!

Randy

Rjwmam,

Has your camera had the IR blocking filter removed from the CCD?  Also thank you for the excellent response!

Randy

Randy,

My camera is unmodified.  The way I understood it, is that all I needed was to use the IR filters.  If I need to remove the IR blocking filter from the CCD I may need to pick up another camera because I am positive that my wife will kill me for altering her camera.

OK. The coins are in the ground.  I have a full spread of pictures that I took to document everything that I did.  They go from a normal shot with nothing in the ground all the way through to the end with the coins in the ground and shots taken with the filters.  These pictures aer un modified since it is too soon to see anything.  The time of day was about 1030 hours MT and the tempurature outside was 80 degrees.  Here are the pictures in the order taken.

More pictures:

Beale,

Thank you for the literature that you posted.  I am always looking for things to read.  I have metal detected my back yard before and all I have found was junk.  The only 14 coins that I know about are the ones that I just buried today in the one location that was photographed.  It may take a few days (or longer) before we can see anything with the camera. 

Beale,

Good read.  Makes sense and is easy to understand.  Do you know what magazine this was from?  Thank you. 

Logical  Beale, different heat retention properties.  But very interesting, more.

SWR, you know of course that the fatigue curve for Zinc is exactly the same as for human muscle? As a matter of fact, the boundary between life as we claim it to be, and the so called inert forms is gradually being modified.  The difference is being dissipated rapidly.


Don Jose de La Mancha

The ground tends to try and fight off this unwelcome metal as a human body tries to fight off disease.

Huh?? 

metal is unwelcome in the ground?

I wonder if rocks are also unwelcome, like kidney's trying to pass stones.

I wonder why metal that came from the ground would be unwelcome in the ground? 

Will dirt also reject clay or sand?


Are not ALL these things natural elements?

theirs a bit of technique and timing in using your filter...............

What is the best technique to use?  As far as I understand, it is best to be between 45 and 90 degrees perpendicular to the sun with the sun at your back.  With an IR filter I can take the pictures at high noon.  Is there a better way?  I would be happy to try all possible methods with these filters so that we can make the best educated deductions with this.  After all, if this really works we are going to have hundreds and maybe thousands of us running around the hills snapping pictures through digital cameras fitted with IR and UV filters looking for lost treasure.

Try this method, try at sunrise aroud 5:30am or sunset 5pm, the sun must be at the east or west of your coin and you should position south or north, perpendicular to the sun of your coin...... Midas noted this as the aztec way in viewing this auras.

theirs a bit of technique and timing in using your filter...............

What is the best technique to use?  As far as I understand, it is best to be between 45 and 90 degrees perpendicular to the sun with the sun at your back.  With an IR filter I can take the pictures at high noon.  Is there a better way?  I would be happy to try all possible methods with these filters so that we can make the best educated deductions with this.  After all, if this really works we are going to have hundreds and maybe thousands of us running around the hills snapping pictures through digital cameras fitted with IR and UV filters looking for lost treasure.

Try this method, try at sunrise aroud 5:30am or sunset 5pm, the sun must be at the east or west of your coin and you should position south or north, perpendicular to the sun of your coin...... Midas noted this as the aztec way in viewing this auras.

I will do that along with taking shots at the hottest part of the day as well.  The way I look at it is it can't hurt anything. 

Now, Beale, SWR and anyone else for that matter, if you want to bicker and debate eachother please do it somewhere else.  We may not agree on a lot of things and some ideas may seem out in the far reaches of our galaxy to you but knock off with the jabbing back and forth.  If you would like to participate here as adults feel free to do so as I imagine we could all learn some valuable skills here if this works.  My four kids are starting to look more and more like civilized grownups and the oldest is eight.  Thank you.

My four kids are starting to look more and more like civilized grownups and the oldest is eight.  Thank you.

ROTFLMFAO

Given that my oldest just turned 30, and my youngest is 14, I might tend to agree..........  Sometimes seems like they score progressively worse in the "plays well with others" category as they get older..........................

Anybody near Salt Lake City got a test garden rjwmam can try this with ?  You know, long-buried coins with known locations ?

I've got a couple pre-1985 pennies I buried a few years ago at known depths, and marked with plastic tent stakes.  To date, I have been unable to locate them with my CZ-3D....................................

(Can't even find the plastic stakes anymore, either)


Diggem'

theirs a bit of technique and timing in using your filter...............

What is the best technique to use?  As far as I understand, it is best to be between 45 and 90 degrees perpendicular to the sun with the sun at your back.  With an IR filter I can take the pictures at high noon.  Is there a better way?  I would be happy to try all possible methods with these filters so that we can make the best educated deductions with this.  After all, if this really works we are going to have hundreds and maybe thousands of us running around the hills snapping pictures through digital cameras fitted with IR and UV filters looking for lost treasure.

Try this method, try at sunrise aroud 5:30am or sunset 5pm, the sun must be at the east or west of your coin and you should position south or north, perpendicular to the sun of your coin...... Midas noted this as the aztec way in viewing this auras.

I will do that along with taking shots at the hottest part of the day as well.  The way I look at it is it can't hurt anything. 

Now, Beale, SWR and anyone else for that matter, if you want to bicker and debate eachother please do it somewhere else.  We may not agree on a lot of things and some ideas may seem out in the far reaches of our galaxy to you but knock off with the jabbing back and forth.  If you would like to participate here as adults feel free to do so as I imagine we could all learn some valuable skills here if this works.  My four kids are starting to look more and more like civilized grownups and the oldest is eight.  Thank you.

This is voluntary experiment, SWR you are not oblige to follow...

It's dowsing with a camera... only 1 in a million can do it I guess. And even THEY all disagree about how it works.

The image on my profile I tooked on my t-site.  I took it north of the hole looking downward approximately in 30 degrees angle perpendecular to the sunset around 5pm.  Its still a theory but why does this flahes come at the center?

`Good Afternoon:  We are apparently talking about two different factors.

Luminous gases from an ionic transformation of a buried metal under certain geological conditions, is better seen at night.

The other light that is being discussed lately here, is basically logical  and easily understandable, even  it's method of detecting. may be questionably efficient.

It is commonly acknowledged that the Sun's out put in energy covers the entire spectrum, from 1 cycle to to an infinite number,  which we aren't even capable of visualizing at this point.  The Sun's energy is being discussed as being the possible origin of the well known earth currents.

It is quite feasible that among the various frequencies, there are many that can easily slip in between the molecules of the materiel's in the earth, which in effect makes it transparent  to them yet, when encountering a materiel that is not transparent to them, perhaps such as Gold, could be modified into a polarized energy. This could account for the needed viewing angle.

I frankly have no idea, but it is feasible.  SWR is well acquainted with polarized fields since it is a major part of his profession.

I have to think on this for a bit my friends.

Don Jose de La Mancha