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Posted Jun 29, 2009, 07:21:45 PM |
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Lovely small solid brass (heavy) padlock? It has six barrels which revolve, each has seven letters of the alphabet on, all quite random. It measures 3.5cm x 3.5cm. If it is a brass padlock, what would it have been used on and why letters not numbers? I'm intrigued and would value any information someone could give. There must be so many possible combinations to opening this it would take years!
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 07:30:17 PM |
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Welcome to treasurenet! I'm intruiqued too... why NOT letters instead of numbers? Would it matter? Does it resemble this one? |
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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 07:31:59 PM |
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Hi, yes it does without the bits at the bottom. I'm having problems inserting the image, but will try again.
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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 07:32:46 PM |
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Hi, yes it does without the bits at the bottom. I'm having problems inserting the image, but will try again.
cool... would love to see it... and, is there any markings on it at all? |
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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 07:36:12 PM |
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Eeek! Didn't mean for the photo to be that big. You can tell I'm a newbie. There are no marks on it apart from the indented letters on the barrels. Do you think it might have been put on a small safe door? No, that's a daft idea, I suppose you could saw through the top bit quite easily.
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 07:57:31 PM |
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Have you played around with it to see if you can make words out of the rows of letters?
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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 08:02:53 PM |
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Wow...cool piece. I don't have a clue, but am very intrigued. I can't really picture how it would open. The top bar appears to be solidly connected to the arms that come up from the "letter wheels". If it comes apart down at the "wheels", what keeps it from falling apart?  I was thinking maybe a sophisticated decoder, but it don't seem to have the full alphabet? Maybe it is a lock and I'm just not seeing its opening point. |
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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 08:38:04 PM |
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this is way cool. can't wait to see what it is!
mike
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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 08:44:53 PM |
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began looking on the net found this. first time sent picture hope it works i will add link. http://www.crookedbrains.net/2009/05/locks.htmlscroll all the way down to see a similar lock as yours. mike here goes trying the picture. |
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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 08:51:44 PM |
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i've gone crazy. i must be wrong:
here's a link to a new style of barrell word combination locks. holly cow never seen such a thing.
diantire.ca/browse/product_detail.jsp?PRODUCT<>prd_id=845524443295278&bmUID=1246337306014
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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 08:55:57 PM |
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Yes, I've tried forming the letters into a word, wondered if it might be a brand name or similar. If you knew the correct combination, the whole right side would come off. It has some play in it and you can feel it would come away. Thanks for your comments and help.
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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 08:57:41 PM |
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Hey,
Try a-p-p-l-e just like Tom Hanks !!!! How funny would it be if it worked. LOL
PLL
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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 09:09:34 PM |
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hey you know it doesn't have to spell a word. wow, you got to take it to your local lock smith, you know they've got years of experience opening locks. some of the older locks may be easier to open.
why not list the letters in column for us to see? i notice all the others are 5 across but yours six? there is a formula to figure how many possibilities you know 10's of thousands don't sound bad. it's better than the lottery.
mike
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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 09:30:59 PM |
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Thanks Mike, definitely some similarities between picture and mine.
Thanks for the suggestion PLL - can't try apple as a letter as there is no letter A in the first tumbler (there are also six tumblers!).
Still, I do believe we're getting somewhere. So, definitely a padlock, definitely old. Shame it has no maker's name on it.
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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 09:35:09 PM |
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six has got to be an upgrade from the five like all the others seen so far!!!  |
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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 10:05:22 PM |
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Here we go - here are the letters, your time starts now....
Z E Z D Z E
L U L A L I
H C H B H Y
G V G N Y V
T K J O S K
X R T U X R
F P F C F P
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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 10:10:41 PM |
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gulchy
this should be fun
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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Jun 29, 2009, 10:22:58 PM |
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Sorry, not gulchy
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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 04:26:44 AM |
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I have seen several locks like that one or at least similar. I had one on my hunting lease for years, but when all my pals got older and blinder we had to change it. None of us old farts could read the letters! I also had a barrel type combination on a big steel lock box. You know like the one Al Gore put Social Security in.... Anyway I worked on it on and off for several years, just every time I would think of it. One day it popped open and.....I wasn't paying attention to what combination I had put in it! DUH!! Now it sits in the top of my closet with many of my "treasure" finds in it and some coins, but it is locked open now! Good luck on getting this one open, but don't forget to write down the combo you use! Monty
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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 02:07:55 PM |
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Sorry, not gulchy
OK, try these.. ''GELOSY'' ''TETCHY'' ''TUFOLI'' ''ZUFOLI'' and my favorite, ''LETUSE'' like in let use. These are real words believe it or not! Scott |
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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 03:13:00 PM |
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I may be off but 7^6 = 117649 so there's 117649 possible combinations! It been a while since I did Permutations/Combinations, so my brain may be broken.
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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 03:49:24 PM |
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Betcha the second letter is "E" or "U".  |
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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 04:07:13 PM |
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That is one cool lock, good luck with it. Any idea as to its age?
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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 04:23:22 PM |
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I take it the original post has the photo of the lock in question?
This type of lock can be opened by feel. Were is slides and or pulls apart will have a bit of slack in it. On plays with the tumblers untill that slack increase. Not the tumbler you moved while doing so. One keeps doing such until the slack keep increasing opens the lock.
LOL it is a game of time, and I doubt most folks would do it. One of them things to leave around were you can play with it.
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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Jun 30, 2009, 04:57:15 PM |
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As a locksmith, I would be interested in purchasing it. If you are interested in selling, send me a PM.
Scott
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Reply To This Topic #26 Posted Jul 01, 2009, 03:15:49 AM |
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figuring the letters wasn't any fun.
lostcauses method makes good sense.
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Reply To This Topic #27 Posted Jul 02, 2009, 04:35:57 PM |
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LUGOSI. It's a lock given to members of the Bela Lugosi fan club.
Kidding. Best word I could come up with.
If you do figure out how to open it with the trial and error tumbler feel method...let us know what was spelled out.
Good luck.
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Reply To This Topic #28 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 07:05:48 AM |
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bela lugosi -- you had me going there for a minute.  |
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Reply To This Topic #29 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 04:30:35 PM |
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Here we go - here are the letters, your time starts now....
Z E Z D Z E
L U L A L I
H C H B H Y
G V G N Y V
T K J O S K
X R T U X R
F P F C F P
akl439 hi im an armchair treasure hunter, as well as an MDer, and this looks like some kind of cipher, break the code, and it will give you keyword, to open lock though ive never seen a coded lock b4, which is the coolest thing ive ever seen, by the way anyway im going to take the coded letters, and a pic of lock, over to tweleve.org, an armchair treasure forum, and see if the code, to open the lock, can be broken, there are some smart folks there, they know how to break codes |
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Reply To This Topic #30 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 04:33:13 PM |
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I'm thinking that if these were mass produced there was a preset combination... no "code" to speak of.
I also think it may have been somewhat a novelty to have letters instead of numbers on the drum - used as a selling technique.
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Reply To This Topic #31 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 05:00:38 PM |
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I'm thinking that if these were mass produced there was a preset combination... no "code" to speak of.
I also think it may have been somewhat a novelty to have letters instead of numbers on the drum - used as a selling technique.
Right, couldn't figure out a word that was a product or company either. Lugosi was it except for various gibberish words. |
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Reply To This Topic #32 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 05:57:09 PM |
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there is a co. that has a word lock, its different it can be reset, and akl439, does not look like it can be reset http://www.wordlock.com/ http://wordlock.com/padlocks/i think this is a novelty item, that uses code, like a brain teaser type of thing, even though mass produced, with a 6 letter combo, and in this case 15 letters, not repeated, and from the 26 letter alpha, and 42 place holders thats a lot of combos,that could be used im sure the co. provided the word, to open the lock, in case you couldnt figure out the code, i think its just a fun novelty item, that akl439, wants to open Z E Z D Z E 3 Zs, 2 Es, 1D, this line could have been 4Zs, and 2 non repeateing letters or 2Zs and 3Ds, and 1E sorry i re sized akl439 pic and forgot to attach |
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Reply To This Topic #33 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 06:04:28 PM |
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what if it read right to left --- backwards?  |
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Reply To This Topic #34 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 08:38:52 PM |
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What if it wasn't even in English  ? LOL PLL |
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Reply To This Topic #36 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 09:54:06 PM |
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Found a pic of a similar one that is open  I, like lostcauses, have found the feel method very useful when opening old combination locks of this type. Should be possible to do if the mechanism is like the one pictured. |
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Reply To This Topic #38 Posted Jul 03, 2009, 10:10:40 PM |
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Found a pic of a similar one that is open I, like lostcauses, have found the feel method very useful when opening old combination locks of this type. Should be possible to do if the mechanism is like the one pictured. What was the opening combination PLL |
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Reply To This Topic #39 Posted Jul 04, 2009, 07:28:39 AM |
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I have the newer version lots of plastic on tumblers but, it is with letters not #'s and to set it there are plunger you push at same time on the ends then set the letter combo yo want , then anytime you want to open it dial those letters. I do like your brass one better!
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Reply To This Topic #40 Posted Jul 08, 2009, 03:55:47 PM |
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Like AU24K, I too am a locksmith. I have one of those which is a four letter version, and it uses the name "baby" to open it. It most likely is a word, but doesn't have to be. for a locksmith, they are pretty simple to open. You may want to take it to a local one to open for you, it shouldn't cost too much. it is pretty old, I'm trying to look it up in my reference books, and will post a followup if I can find it. Good Luck! Jim. P.S. I'd also be interested in purchasing it, if you decide to try to sell it.  |
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Reply To This Topic #41 Posted Jul 08, 2009, 05:50:23 PM |
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Interesting puzzle I have been racking my brain on...
One question--there are six wheels (places) in the word. Are there seven letters or six letters on each dial?
Regards,
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Reply To This Topic #42 Posted Jul 08, 2009, 07:50:16 PM |
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Interesting puzzle I have been racking my brain on...
One question--there are six wheels (places) in the word. Are there seven letters or six letters on each dial?
Regards,
Buckleboy
post 15 dude... |
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Reply To This Topic #43 Posted Jul 09, 2009, 07:37:20 AM |
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Interesting puzzle I have been racking my brain on...
One question--there are six wheels (places) in the word. Are there seven letters or six letters on each dial?
Regards,
Buckleboy
post 15 dude... I saw that, but it appears that only 3 letters are visible on each dial, even if the top or bottom one is turned almost out of view, so I wondered if there was six letters on each dial rather than seven. I've been staring at this thing for a while now, and all I've got is "HE LOSE" and "GET ALE"  |
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Reply To This Topic #44 Posted Jul 09, 2009, 05:37:55 PM |
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What if it wasn't even in English ? LOL PLL french lefoxy lefuse letusk french/spanish combo lejose |
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Reply To This Topic #45 Posted Jul 09, 2009, 05:48:26 PM |
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I would like to buy a vowel,lol.
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Reply To This Topic #46 Posted Jul 09, 2009, 05:52:57 PM |
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how about earliest letter of alphabet each letter
FCFAFE
or the last letter each
ZVZUZY
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Reply To This Topic #47 Posted Jul 09, 2009, 05:55:30 PM |
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it's just got to be
GETBYE
getuse getaxe xchose
G U LOSE
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Reply To This Topic #48 Posted Jul 29, 2009, 06:47:04 PM |
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Any luck getting the lock open? Would love to see pictures if you get it open.
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Reply To This Topic #49 Posted Jul 31, 2009, 07:38:53 AM |
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I think we can say this one is solved.  http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,259097.0.htmlWould still like to know if you ever get it open though. |
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Reply To This Topic #50 Posted Aug 03, 2009, 09:38:55 PM |
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Reply To This Topic #51 Posted Aug 04, 2009, 04:14:13 AM |
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Reply To This Topic #52 Posted Aug 04, 2009, 04:41:39 AM |
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Great find - love it  |
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Reply To This Topic #53 Posted Aug 04, 2009, 04:42:20 AM |
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I'd still be interested in buying it.
Scott
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Reply To This Topic #54 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 06:20:23 AM |
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I noticed two index marks on this one versus the others, so I was thinking it might be a two-line solution. The best I could come up with was: T H Y C U P Three word couplets are: HE HA HE HO HI GO TO Let us know when the solution is found...  |
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Reply To This Topic #55 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 07:15:12 AM |
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try HUTCHY
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Reply To This Topic #56 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 11:35:26 AM |
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To dig or not to dig.....that is the question!!
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Reply To This Topic #57 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 11:38:24 AM |
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...........and why letters not numbers? !
Think about it.. If the place is a letter, it has 26 different variations, (a-z) whereas a number place has only ten. Makes it harder to "crack" |
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Reply To This Topic #58 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 04:15:14 PM |
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...........and why letters not numbers? !
Think about it.. If the place is a letter, it has 26 different variations, (a-z) whereas a number place has only ten. Makes it harder to "crack" Would this not be irrelevant of the lock drums all have only seven fixed alpha/numeric choices anyways? Mathematically - the chances of figuring it out would be the same. |
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Reply To This Topic #59 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 04:51:53 PM |
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...........and why letters not numbers? !
Think about it.. If the place is a letter, it has 26 different variations, (a-z) whereas a number place has only ten. Makes it harder to "crack" Would this not be irrelevant of the lock drums all have only seven fixed alpha/numeric choices anyways? Mathematically - the chances of figuring it out would be the same. you do got a point there!  |
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NE Louisiana
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Reply To This Topic #60 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 05:22:50 PM |
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...........and why letters not numbers? !
Think about it.. If the place is a letter, it has 26 different variations, (a-z) whereas a number place has only ten. Makes it harder to "crack" Would this not be irrelevant of the lock drums all have only seven fixed alpha/numeric choices anyways? Mathematically - the chances of figuring it out would be the same. you do got a point there! Yep --- 7^6 = 117649 so there's 117649 possible combinations. |
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Reply To This Topic #61 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 05:31:20 PM |
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luluhi
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Reply To This Topic #62 Posted Sep 15, 2009, 06:37:17 PM |
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...........and why letters not numbers? !
Think about it.. If the place is a letter, it has 26 different variations, (a-z) whereas a number place has only ten. Makes it harder to "crack" Would this not be irrelevant of the lock drums all have only seven fixed alpha/numeric choices anyways? Mathematically - the chances of figuring it out would be the same. you do got a point there! Yep --- 7^6 = 117649 so there's 117649 possible combinations. Huh... that IS strange, kinda defeats the purpose of using letters in the first place... |
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Reply To This Topic #63 Posted Sep 16, 2009, 02:30:30 PM |
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...........and why letters not numbers? !
Think about it.. If the place is a letter, it has 26 different variations, (a-z) whereas a number place has only ten. Makes it harder to "crack" Would this not be irrelevant of the lock drums all have only seven fixed alpha/numeric choices anyways? Mathematically - the chances of figuring it out would be the same. you do got a point there! Yep --- 7^6 = 117649 so there's 117649 possible combinations. Huh... that IS strange, kinda defeats the purpose of using letters in the first place... Some people remember letter better then numbers. |
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