Kali dredgers still a dredgn'

    Night ops abound     night vision and generators are a flyn' off the shelves before the stores along the rivers close     BANKRUPT. Example-Cop-You've been told to stop already before-you permit is invalidated!! Answer-Permit     what permit?? I've been dredging over 25 years and never had one yet-(A LONG PAUSE  )  Cop-Well your going to get a ticket!!    Answer-Good I don't sign those either as you have no color of law on that issue either and I don't sign those either and I have to see the magistrate within 24 hours by law too     Cop-I'm going to run you in !!     Answer-GREAT     3 hots,a comfortable cot,and air conditioning --LL I don't have it that good at home    exit miner to return to dredging     FREE KALIF FROM THE SPERMANATOR/STINKN' KARUK AND THE GD ENVIRONUTZ-REBELLION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John      RRRRRRRRRRRRR

we are tryin to find a muffler for our 5hp honda right now and we have a 12 volt light system and we wont stop dredging. the lights run off a 12 volt vw genny.

Wouldn't worry to much about the jail time!! They can't afford to keep you locked up there BANKRUPT!!!!.

 

    CIVAL DISOBEDIENCE TO THE WANNA BE MASTERS-off to the river again-John   

givem h*ll John!

New game on-dredges are being confiscated and the cdfg is trying to get their grubby paws on a big chopper to haul off big dredges. I want to buy a clunker to get taken and it needs to run. Anyone got pieces/parts to sell to make a jail dredge with--the ISSUE MUST be forced in a court a law--John

John let me know where to send the bail money to.if i was closer id go with you!

STICK-IT-TO-THE-MAN       

Only by rolling over to this type of horse pucky does it stay in place, peaceful disobedience I condone completely.
pvillhnter: run your exhaust into your header box or extend it to point at the ground, it helps quiet it down.
 Most small engines use 1/2 or 3/4" pipe as exhaust, easy enough to build a good muffler system from off the shelf parts. (watch the HOT exposed pipe, wrap with screen to protect skin)
I'm converting my dredges to trommel feed highbanker's with a convertible hose inlet, so when dredging is legal again 4 bolts and I'm suctioning again
"We are slaves only when we go along with the would be masters"

Good luck everyone

good ideas,but does not exhaust carry traces of engine lubricants?tiny traces to be sure,but over time,maybe significant to recovery of fines.i like to regularly soap out/scrub all equipment including tubs,buckets,pans,sieves,sluices,bowls,wheels,moss,etc.that way if i get skunked,i will know that something else was the problem.i think hoser john has a line on lowtone mufflers,supposed to be very quiet.was considering a camo paint job for my backpack 4,maybe even camo netting. last year (late) would sometimes walk up,ordownstream a ways,with the dredge running.after 200 feet,sometimes less,couldnt hear the 6.5 honda at 2/3 throttle.but the air compressor popoff valve could be heard much farther away.oh well,gotta breathe right? has anyone used underwater exhaust on small engine dredges?

Patches: I often try any number of things before I get it dialed in. Was even considering doing a wet exhaust with a water take off from the pump(no chance of oil in box).  As far as camo goes I'm looking to tuck up under any overhanging brush and full paint job maybe duck blind style reeds and all. My biggest concerns are hose and suit, far to easy to spot from the air.

Briggs makes lowtone mufflers that really quiet things down. Morning P63-would you believe I got sunburned wednesday-in the middle a winter DAMN? Anyhow I would not recommend the exhaust in the header as P63 said it all. Underwater tones it down but I've heard old miners tales about backpressure on exhaust fries engines or carbons them up from exhaust restriction?? I must admit I was running a op that required quiet and I have a engine in my shed that quit running quickly after about 60-70 hours of use--never tore it apart as immediately bought another as season was ending and I needed the gold NOW!!. Anyhow sounds like time for a engine biopsy this winter to ascertain whatzup with it? Bloody outta water--oh rain god please pee on us--the reclaimanator lives on----John  

Why don't you run it with solar and electric, I know electric and water dont mix but you could seal off the system and leave it on shore grounded and then its even easier to cammo. It creates no noise and you can filter the dirt comming out into a pool with some silt fence so that you dont cloud the water. As for the hose you should just paint all that to match the water colors. You can buy wet suits that damn near disappear in water so you need to look at your water conditions. If your going to run OPS then the secrete is to run OPS totally undetected. If the river is big enough and your worried about beiing seen from the air put a john boat in the water with a dummy and a fishing pole.

Dont be a marder.......be the guy that was never there and doesnt know a thing.

evening john,just back for a minute.can well believe you got burnt down yonder.that big shiny thing in sky is coming back.if we had an airplane,maybe could tow it in a little closer.29 this morn,70 in afternoon.little uv always cheers me.shallow water er,highbanking,try to keep a big floppy hat in reach.to much uv/exertion takes a toll.hey tarkus,yeah, real tree would dress out my er,highbanker.or mossy oak.the camo netting is to cover the whole work area.would help with the hose problem.what kinda highbanking suit do ya use? :laughing7:them eco-flyboys will need droptanks and headsup display soon.also self sealing fuel tanks.(kidding). :wink:this years work will be entertaining regardless of politics.enjoy each sunny day my peeps.gotta go flip the chops.

surfn' electirc would require generator and here we go again with gas engines. I've known a few who had creeks close to their homes and easily used electric and MUCH cheaper and righteously pleasent with no noise,fumes and hassles of gas. I'm lookn' at 2 pieces of property today in a quest for free mining in kalif land of environutz and bureauratz. Yo Patches-kudos my friend-much respect bud-tons a au 2 u 2 -John   

why not use a trolling motor?you could use it -take off the propeller use the hub to turn a freestanding pump with a belt.everyone says you cant do the 12 volt dredge but this is a different direction.the trolling motor should have plenty of rpms.you might could even use the prop,with a long reducer ,into a venturi- :icon_scratch:they do have a lot of @$$ for what they are. 

gas engine pumps work very hard for a living.when they catch prime,they really dig in.a trolling motor with that much torque/hp would need some serious batteries.not sure they make one that big anyway.only alternative i see is gravity dredge.has been done succesfully many times.paystreaks can be lots of work to find.now add, must have lots of water high above.enough drop for adequate pressure for good suction.and still,need air.sigh.before the ban,was targeting remote locations.somewhere not dredged,redredged etc.around here,remote means way up a canyon,roaring creek.engine noise not a problem.anyone that close would be in visual anyway.tried and true still best round here.

almost forgot john,kudos x2 backatya. :thumbsup:i originally registered here just to meet ya,after reading your threads.here and the nugget forums also.will do a rain dance for ya.luck.

My biggest problem isn't the dredging laws, so much as they consider any stream or river a temple to the spotted toad or something along those lines.  Using my skid steer and a trammel/sluice or highbanker would be fine, unfortunately the county won't let me move more than 200 yards (with a machine) before they want permits, plans, reasons and lots of money as well as an EIR.  With bodies of water coming under multiple dept. jurisdictions, there always seems to be someone to take exception to anyone doing anything.
 I've got a good paystreak coming out of a side canyon that cuts through some ancient river bed, carrying a lot of fine, flour and micron. Unfortunately the area I work is in plane view of the highway with a lot of county and Forestry officials driving by. So stealth is a mainstay for me now as well as no trespassing signs.

In process of building and converting machinery without floats, specializing for very small nuggets and fines. (any suggestions welcome)

Just a thought! Has any one tried a PTO on a tractor or(skid steer) with a pump that could be run up on the bank away from the river?

  Thanx patches--your raindance worked righteously last night sir!!!!!!!!!   Please repeat performance a few mo'times for a old dredgedog to reclaimanate!! Tarkus lets go offline for free process engineering for reclaimanation--LEGALLY--nothing I love better than a brain teaser. PM real email/digits and we'll see whatzup  -tons a au 2 u 2 -John PS I motorboat boobies--not water   

john, it rained there?glad to here it,nothing here yet.was chanting your zip code,slurring it really.btw,yesterday received another 23 question form 08 dredger survey.same as the one before.after careful consideration,used first one to light woodstove.as in no way relevant to fish.may return this one,with comment only.or maybe not.whaddya think?

I circled the illegal numbering system in black marker and said-This survey is required by law to be a blind survey and this is numbered and as such is in direct violation of the CEQA process. Of which I have worked on quite a few and since when is where,who,what I found any of your damn business. When hunters,fishermen,kayakers, rafters and tourists fill out these assinine illegal questions then I might consider,other than that ,this is bullshirt(sp)--more fun than shredding--John 

    CDFG calling folks last night as late as 8:45pm demanding that they fill it out so they know what to charge you on your INCOME !!!!!  And that it is MANDATORY,YA RIGHT...   F'M' and I ain't a talkn' radio-John 

sounds like harrassment! to bad you didnt have a recorder on your phone!

as in state franchise tax board i suppose.i think they would like to nullify the mining law right.(1872)pay royalty to the crown,or give up that right.my wood stove has not needed re-lighting yet.just might return the latest form,filled out my way.question #5,how many oz,s recovered in 08? (optional) and answer will be kept confidential.hmmm. it has been said that gold recovered while mining is not taxable income until sold or bartered.seems reasonable to me.this questionare is actually an audit of my 08 dredge ops,all money spent,miles driven,people employed,equipment used,yardage ran.areas worked,etc.not one question relates to fish.perhaps they want to invoke the validity of locations/prudent man test? our location validity may be tested in future court cases,if 670 is struck down.oops,think my stove went out.

i just dont see how they can do that to you guys at a state level when the federal government put the 1872 mining law into affect so big pocketed mines could not bribe the state into closing down the little man or the state could not close you down to some hocky drummed up charge unless you were using quick silver and putting it in the water  how many of you dredge where the salmomn run or the spotted love toad mates   

I think that you guys are fighting this wrong anyways. As much as I dislike him our wonder president (lets not get started on that) has proven that anyone with a message that people can believe in can change politics for better or for worse. why dont you guys organize politcallly and start with the local goverments and work your way up. Your argument seems to be bigger than just whether you can dredge or not it seems to me its about the oppression of the working class. Its about shops and manufactures of an entire industry in your state going out of business. I bet you guys havent even started totalling up the job loss this is going cause. Organize and take the fight to those people. Dont get into law suits and other lengthy process. TAKE THERE FREAKIN JOBS!!!! Either Americans have forgotten or have become lazy but this is still a country where "We the People" still can make the good fight and change the face of government!

Other states should do the same and support cali and Fl in there treasure hunting issues because what happens to one will eventually happen to all. Example: the piece lovin hippies out in Cali that are huggin trees and telling us how to live have made it so the entire cuntry has those stupid blow dryers in every mens room across the land. ever go into a mens room in cali? whats there but a pile of paper towels right next to the unused hand dryer!

you can make a difference the people that leveled you on this more than likely saw an easy victory and took advantage of the opportunity you let them have by not organizing ahead of time.

Or Im totally wrong and you should do nothing...........I still hate the hand dryers however.

err hmm well,am in complete agreement with the utter hatred of hand dryers. :laughing7:could use a few of those this wintry a.m.although,one did save me from hypothermia long ago.hoser john,hows your weather?was working on my multi-zipcode raindance technique (beta) yesterday,but alas,fouled something up.mostly snowed here instead.will redo the math,maybe try different face paint.er,buncha those deleted handdryers mounted on the er highbanker pontoons,oops,come in right handy bout now yep save paper made here (i think) burn oil from over yonder.stay warm.

Opinion based on observation: It's all about money, if you have it and they can take it, they will. If you have a means of income they can't control and tax they will find ways of eliminating that. Those who have lots of money buy protection in the form of lawyers and politicians, while ensuring the lower classes foot the bill and stay in the peasant state of eternal struggle to pay the ruling class?

Well founded environmental protections are needed to keep the planet livable, 99%of the laws I've seen are used as protectionism of profits and elimination of competition by the big company's. Who then turn around and ignore the laws anyway, dumping toxins and destroying habitat.

You don't get to play the game unless you have the money honey, and if you do then the rules don't seem to apply to you?

Our current President has proven that the American people (the majority) will buy anything if you wrap it up in the right packaging and sell it to them in between their favorite TV programs.

Who's the cause, those who take the opportunity to grab power, or those who sit idly by and let them???

When the love of power is replaced by the power of love, then we as a planet will know true freedom.

 We are blessed to live in interesting times
Good luck everyone

tarkus,good post,believe firmly in all of above.but i also intuit something else.a kind of envy/spite/resentment. against people that belong upon the land.and are able to thrive, by living in balance upon the land.same old story.buncha city squirrels with no nuts.and no trees to put em in anyhow .poor things!(not).

and then theres the old history repeats itself scenario.nomadic hunters a problem,wage genocide upon the game.shut off resources that those willing/able to resist depend upon.only lairds shall be entitled to the salmon of the rivers.commoners will be allowed to see them,whilst in armed convoy bound to the castles.to be cooked in margarine no doubt.hah off to the nonsense thread with him!

Thanks patches, some times just need to spout off a little, even if it's just preaching to the choir.

  Thanx for the jabberjaw last night Tarkus. This website has a HUGE audience and the choir IS listening,the silent majority as it were. Frustration,pain,agony and dire straights rule the day whilst the bankers skim off another few 100 billion to their boyz  and us working slobs get 0  nada  zilch--no jobs--no help-just more rules,regulations and damn man lets not forget the icing on the cake. For all of you with the testiculiar fortitude to try and wrest a few oz from the soil---FINES-----John   

heard from uc chico this afternoon.polite young man asked if i was returning the dredge survey form.told him, no am not participating in this survey.since the information sought in no way pertains to the alleged deleterious effects upon andramous fish populations,and that further,survey does not conform to cequa guidelines,in that it is numbered.i asked him to list my reasons for not joining in.this attempt at auditing/profiling is kinda disturbing.added the newest survey form to my files,never know.burned the first one.next plp vs 670 hearing one month from today.heres hoping.

RE the exhaust thing:  Couldn't you just string a couple of used auto mufflers together? You could always bury them under rocks to hide them.... 

would be pure speculation on my part.have never tried anything like that.have ran v8 gas engine dive boats that had underwater exhaust.was mentioned this thread,john,who would definitely know mentioned backpressure.smaller gas engines may not be up to it.have been thinking,maybe there could be a way to disperse the gasses,something under the surface with multiple outlets.kind of an expansion chamber with increased outlets.i dont really need one,but am kind of interested in the concept.guess i will chat up the guy with the honda dealership here.luck

    FEDS THREW OUT SB670 LAWSUIT YESTERDAY--AS I SPECIFICALLY STATED ON MANY FORUMS MANY ^%$#@ TIMES-you sue the state in state court and that gives you appealate rights. Miners pushing ox cart backasswards-    again-----John   

Incompetence or malfeasance it doesn't matter which it is, both are unacceptable in our so called representatives city, state or federal.

Exhaust: I think John's low tone muffler from briggs is a good idea, if you aim the outlet at the ground it will disperse the sound and make it less noticeable.  I still may put together a muffler with a water cooling chamber down stream, cool the gasses less pop?

 ???How do we get the feathers on u'm before the tar cools     

tarkus,high volume hopper fed air blower.boxcars a feathers.and make the tar hot please.jerry hobs,plp,posted at golddredger.com,also prospectorcache forums last couple hours.political section.suit must now be filed at state level.probably 3rd. appellate district.sounds like they will within a matter of days.what a morning,dressed in black,ate my wheaties with a fork.

And watched as more miners loaded up their possessions and headed outta town. Shasta/trinity and MANY other counties decimated,bankrupt as the north state slowly dies a horrible economic death--what a shame-all for casino $$$$$$$$$John 

Hey John, You made a good point. Shutting down dredging might come back to haunt them. Oh well, They'll have plenty of salmon to survive on. Jimmygoat

that's what they get for listening to leaf licker lobbyist's......... minority will ruin it for majority! the sad part is that we all lose rights because of false accusations,and miss-representation.not to mention that we as dredgers remove more river contaminates, lead-mercury,----heavy metals than all the greenies put together.most of us are more responsible river keepers than they will ever realize.   i have seen people with pro-green stickers on thier car -throw out trash and beer cans,while they preach about being green.while i have to pick that crap up,when i leave so i don't have any one think i did it!!!!!!!

2008 we had city fisherman floating trash down the river at us.my 2 big dredge pards are nam combat vets.was glad there was no gun at hand,coulda ended badly.i avoid public access areas till january,trash,offal,meat bees swarming.swarms a monofilament everywhere.am gonna try to video/picture some of this this year.if not in hoosegow for reclamatin.

Hey Patches, The fisherman should actually support dredgers. They don't realize it but they'll be the next ones booted off the river.  Jimmygoat

ga. has a new buffer zone law so far at 25 feet each side no altering or disturbing any trees ,plants shade etc..

Strick,
Where does this new law apply?

i believe ALL,i know i have seen the signs on several rivers(n. ga.).i have also seen the sign on pumkinvine creek in paulding county as well.i know this is definantly all trout streams but might be all.the signs say protected buffer zone.25 feet of bank.................a friend called dnr they said can't cut no vegatation    trees bushes    anything within 25 feet of bank.

It's blatantly obvious to me that those who crave power over others and profit there from, lie and propagandize (false) information to get the sheeple to go along with their so called green campaign to save the world. Unfortunately far to many --deleted-- people who buy into anything these a$$hol's put in the media.

Keep yer powder dry boy's     

yeah tark, tellem.keep em dry,an shop for more.they do covet what they could never have.its all about lifestyle,those deleted apartment dwelling lib lames couldnt even swim in cold water once a year.starbuk swilling,sidewindin,sodbustin sheepherders.(i whistle my s"sss.)all trying to protect the very thing they fear.and could never understand.nature in the raw.cant call a cop on a mountain lion.gated community the answer.coveters hate those that have.and can work with the land.they hate us,not for what we do.but for what they are unable to do.inside every eco-facist liberal effiminate activist,there dwells a scared wannabe self reliant human being.so dont be too hard on em.be sensitive,like me.if this offends anyone.oh well.gotta go look for my kleenex.here i am, mooning the ecofags.may their tents be infested with the fleas of a hundred camels.

call the travel agent.dammit.

  damn 4" almost broke my finger yesterday--got used to the tiny 2 1/2" nipping at your fingers but that 4" goes CRUNCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    John  PS-Patches travel is this spring till then-- 

Oh don't get me wrong, I believe most people to be good at heart, just to dammed busy trying to survive in the rat race, to pay much attention to guarding the so called freedoms they espouse to love so much.  Every one who want's to save planet earth for the future isn't bad or a Eco-Nazi just poorly informed by the people in power and easily sent on a crusade they know next to nothing about.

If ignorance is bliss why aren't there more happy people

Scare them with dooms day, promise to save them, and they will do anything. Including the most horrific crimes known to man.

   Preaching to the choir T-to thine own self be true. By the by great jabberjawn' with ya always a pleasure-   tons a au 2 u 2-John

It's easy for me to see the problems and gripe about them, it's not so easy to see a clear path as an individual to remedy the problems, another issue faced by the majority who want to fix it but don't know how.  Observation says the legal system is a crap shoot at best, dependent on how much money and time you have to wage the battle. Unfortunately the bureaucracy gets to pass a law and enforce it until someone has the time and money to have it repealed, dragging it out as long as possible to deplete the opponents resources.(using your tax dollars to do it)
 I don't believe in or condone violence as a solution to any problem, knowing that a violent revolution will be an excuse for those in power to destroy any freedoms we have left, in the name of security and keeping us safe.
 It may be that dialog and education with those who have their blinders on coupled with peaceful disobedience of the laws that take away our freedoms (don't hurt others, don't hurt the planet) may be the way to a peaceful revolution???

Good luck everyone     

Read in the paper today that the stare government in calif or the US drug enforcement agency dosent have enough man power to go after the Mexican drug gangs growing pot in the national parks, but they have the time go go after you big bad gold miners.
but then again they say the pot growers have guys in the trees with AK 47's.
Makes you wonder.
Good luck
Mike

Just received my ICMJ's Mining Journal today for the month of march 2010. Very good article about Cal, dredger wins claim against fish & game director.
Everyone in Cal, needs to take this kind of action. Might ruffle a few feathers and get something rolling.

They'll have to pry my 8" precision dredge from my cold dead fingers first before they stop me!

sheesh john,was running my 2.5, 4 horse wide open today,nooo was just cleaning silt outa my water storage tanks.weak as a new kitten,compared to the new 4 inch.having a decent little flood year these parts,what a dern shame,not another 97 but enough to make me itchy.flow patterns in the creeks are disrupted,gold will be closer to nozzle this year,yet farrr away.hmmm so this is my mid-life crises(again)

We're going to do some dredging when the snow thaws. Private property, no cops, no rangers, no other bull--deleted--. Dredging doesn't hurt a thing, it improves rivers. Dredgers should be paid for providing the environmental cleanup service they do. All the crap that settles in the bottom of rivers and streams is cleaned up by us. Turbidity? That's one of the dumbest, foolish regulations. One strong storm will turn the turbidity up a million times more than a dredger or highbanker even does working clay. Maybe they should outlaw rain, so the river stays clear all the time.

if they outlawed dumba$$e$ ,there would not be any problems!

  YAAAAAAAAAAAAAA no mo' professional politicians families that continue for dynastys-John 

Not that I would ever ever advocate breaking state laws, but it seems that using a gravity dredge would solve the noise and exhaust issues.  If black ABS piper were used it'd be nearly invisible too.

you can find an old tin 5 gallon bucket and lid you can run exhust in to the can filled with water use flex pipe for around muffler with hose clamp but you would have to change muff. to long clindrical kind to clamp flex on if you just drill 1/8 " holes in flex just above lid just a few it will not suck up water in exhust and it will be quiet it takes some experimenting but it can be done and you can take the water with you so no poluteing  flex is at automotive store in muffler section thanks

Briggs makes a lowtone mufflers that cut noise considerable and watch out on backpressure restrictions on these lil'ol'engines--them valves fry easily. Crazy thread won' die-   John

Looks like a delay on the EIR.....hmmmm who would thought? :icon_scratch:Someone needs to hang Stopher.Oh yea,and the Dems killed the bill to refund our money the State stole!!

  R U SURPRIZED?? Benn telln' ya'all exactly what would happen when with this anus Stopher for many years now(20 cantara spill) and wtf-100% again--John 

R U SURPRIZED?? Benn telln' ya'all exactly what would happen when with this anus Stopher for many years now(20 cantara spill) and wtf-100% again--John 

Nope not surprised Johnny