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Posted Aug 26, 2009, 02:52:53 pm

hey gang,
 I was out on San Timoteo Canyon yesterday and found a coooolll place to detect. I'm looking for 1 or 2 people to go out with, I am off on Mon or Tues ( 8/31 9/1 ). If anyone would like to go just let me know. Here are some pixs of the farmhouse...

Enjoy
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Aug 27, 2009, 01:54:04 pm

Its 104 in Orange today at noon...I can imagine the temp at the farmhouse...in the teens...

Personally, I'm interested, however I'm willing to wait til it cools off a tad.

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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Aug 31, 2009, 03:52:12 pm

Hey Stefen,
 I thought I would " test " your heat issue and........ you win !!!! LOL !!!! I went out early today to try to beat the heat. At 11AM it was HOTTTTT!!!!! I still wanted to try to get to the Indians ruins nearby. I found a back way in and after driving around about 5 trails and getting a " lay " of the land I went to the ruins. From up top of one of the trails, I thought I saw a old mine entrance and headed for it..... Well when I got there it was a fallen tree that from far away looked like a mine #$$%%$##@ !!!! It was really starting to get hot and I knew if I didn't get back to the truck I might be in REAL danger, so I headed back. I was pretty wiped out by the time I got back, but went to the nearest place to get some water and rest and all's well... I did find another old farm ( there are 3 in the area ) and a old hotel as well. Her are some pixs of the " stuffs " .....

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Another farmhouse

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Another farmhouse 2

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Hotel from the 1950's ??

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Hotel # 2

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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 08:23:31 am

I have a home in Idyllwild and wonder where these are in relationship...I assume to the backside of Beumont & Banning...at the base of the mountain...

Submitted a design proposal for the historic San Timoteo school site a while back...

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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 08:38:46 am

I wish I lived a little closer to Cal.  LOL
looks like a great site
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 09:14:53 am

I wish I lived a little closer to Cal.  LOL
looks like a great site

Couple more tornado's and you might get your wish laughing7

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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 10:46:01 am

Hey Gang,
 Stefen- San Tim parallels the I-10 frwy ( running S of the frwy ), in between Beaumont to the east and Colton to the west.

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 There is a TON of history here as well. There were actually 3 schools, a saloon, 2 army " forts " ( one at each end ), the Earps as well as the Clantons also lived here ( before the Tombstone shuffle ). There were 3 Indian villages, a Indian graveyard and a box canyon were the Indians massacred some vigilantes from SF. There were 2 train stations and a stage stop ( which was robbed in the canyon ). There is a place that you're not supposed to go, but if you do the creek looks GREAT!!!! There is some danger involved as well though, there are feral pigs in the area. As I was leaving the farmhouse the last time I " may " have nearly encountered one. There is a small " bridge " that crosses the creek on the way in or out, and as I was approaching I hear a noise. Big noise !!!! Like branches breaking under the weight of something big, the noise cam from both sides of the creek. I said to myself, they are probably just as afraid of me as I am of them, and simply crossed the bridge. That was before I knew they may have been feral pigs !!!!! I just thought it was a coyote or stray dog... There is some heavy overgrowth in the smaller canyons and it was not possible to see the Indian ruins that were supposed to be there. But I did find another farmhouse so it wasn't a big loss. The heat was UNREAL !!!! I really shouldn't have been out there, on the way back to the truck I got a little dizzy so I headed to the " fisherman's retreat " ( a cool place with cabins and fishing ponds and a store ) got some water and some shade and just relaxed awhile. Here is a pix of the Clanton spread ( this house is gone ) and a pix of the Earp house....

PLL

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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 12:41:11 pm

Thought the Earps ended up in LA...not Riverside County

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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 01:43:51 pm

Hi Stefen,
 This is a quote from a book written in the 1970's about San Tim and the Earps: " On Christmas Day in 1864 Nicholas Porter Earp moved to a farm at the corner of ...... and San Timoteo Canyon Rd. Earp wrote the following letter to hof friend, James in Pella, Iowa:

  I succeeded in renting a fine farm the 3rd day after I got to San Bernardino and on the 25th moved out to it, about 10 miles from San Bernardino. It has 10 acres in peach and apple orchard, and35 acres in grapes

 Nicholas Earp was Wyatt's father, he had moved his entire family here from Iowa. According to Wikipedia " On May 12, 1864, the Earp family joined a wagon train heading to California. According to the diaries of Utah immigrants in the wagon train, Nicholas was one of the wagon-masters on their overland trek. " He didn't stay long though:
   " In spring 1868 the Earps moved again, this time coming back to the mid-west and settling in Lamar, Missouri where Nicholas became the local constable. By November 17, 1869, Nicholas resigned to become Justice of the Peace. Son Wyatt, who had been studying the law with his grandfather, Walter, was immediately appointed constable in place of his father.

Some time prior to 1880, Nicholas and Virginia Earp moved back to California, settling in San Bernardino County while son James and his wife Nellie moved to Tombstone, Arizona. Enumerated one year prior to the famous shootout at the O.K. Corral, the 1880 United States Census shows the Nicholas Earp household to include son Morgan and his wife Louisa ("Lou"). The record also listed Nicholas' occupation as a farmer and youngest son Warren residing with his parents at that time. Along with being a farmer, Nicholas also had several civic involvements, to include becoming one of the founders of the San Bernardino Society of California Pioneers (which in later years would merge with the San Bernardino Historical and Pioneer Society).

 And on the other end of the canyon..... The Clanton's...... " Meanwhile, Newman "Old Man" Clanton and his crew moved around Southern California. According to the memoirs of San Bernardino Valley pioneer William Frink, the Clantons settled in for a spell as tenant farmers in nearby San Timoteo Canyon sometime between 1865 and 1867. "

  There is no way to tell ( or prove ) that the 2 families met or had problems while at San Tim. But it was a small community of farmers and ranchers with only one church in the canyon. I'm sure they knew each other from attending services, and maybe it was " typical " community talk amongst the farmers and ranchers that amy have started a uneasiness between them...

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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 02:26:01 pm

Is this area the same as the San Timoteo Badlands which is a part of Riverside County or was this a spinoff from San Bernardino?

Lot of history in them thar hill.

Still think I'll wait until the rattlers are hibernating...maybe  some white powder on the ground...

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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 02:49:39 pm


 On the east ( just W of Beaumont ) and south end ( just E of Moreno Valley ) there are badlands. But this area would not ( IMO ) would not be called badlands. The rattlers don't like the heat either.... they would be hiding to escape it. So as long as you are not flipping things over you should be ok.... maybe..... LOL!!!

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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 02:54:29 pm

PLL:
If you go there again, let me know and I'll come up.
Meanwhile, have you read:
San Timoteo Canyon
Author(s): Kenneth M. Holtzclaw, Peggy Christian
ISBN: 9780738547442
# of Pages: 128
Publisher: Arcadia Publishing

What is the name shown on that hotel sign? Could you make it out?
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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 03:14:38 pm


 Hey Mac,
 Yes I do have one of Peggy's book's but this is not the one with Kenneth. The one I have is " Historic San Timoteo Canyon " ISBN 0-930704-33-9. The hotel looks like Duarte's with a kinda prancing poodle to the left. It's actually not in the canyon but on the backside of where the farmhouses are. Another note, most of the east end of the canyon is now a Wildlife Preserve and of course no motorized vehicles. However the signs say no hunting, no shooting etc.... But it does not say no digging or Mding.... < hint hint >

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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Sep 01, 2009, 09:31:20 pm

PLL:
I thought the PGA course was on the eastern end of the canyon road.
Am I thinking of another similar sounding street?
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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Sep 02, 2009, 07:33:11 am


 Yes the golf course is there ( on the N side ), and most likely was put on top of where the saloon used to be. But across the street where the RR tracks are, that would be where the fort was.

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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Sep 02, 2009, 08:38:11 am

PLL:
Google Earth is well focused in that area.
You can probably spot all those structures.
Did you get GPS on any of them?
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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Sep 02, 2009, 09:07:52 pm

No Gps.... Not really needed though. Most of the old locations won't show because they are over 100 yrs old. The farmhouses should show fairly easy, however I think there is " possibly " a lot more locations that are out there. Some may be hidden to do dense foliage...

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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Sep 02, 2009, 10:13:34 pm

PLL:
This may interest you:
http://wri.csusb.edu/documents/Perry_FinalReport2_RecheCanyon.pdf
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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Sep 03, 2009, 07:38:23 am

  Thx Mac that was GREAT!!!!! I live in Reche Canyon and really like all the history in this area. I have found some things out here as well, there are old adobe remains between here and Moreno Valley that are " suppose " to be a stage station. But the remains are just too small. My landlord's son owns the old stage station at the bottom of the hill, and has promised to let me hunt the grounds. I also found a old small building  on Reche Vista rd and was told it was house for a child with "special needs ". He was too violent to live with the family so built him a home... Sounds a bit crazy...

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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Sep 03, 2009, 08:09:53 am

PLL:
During the Nam years, I spent '63 to '69 stationed at MAFB hospital (secondary and tertiary triage). In those days the base phone number was simply "Moreno LD 20". Time off would find me exploring the area, and I'd normally end up (for a cold one)  at the 'March Inn', near where 10 and 215 are now located. A few years earlier, I/S 10 was established to go through Redlands versus 'San Tim'.

I thought the Earp house was long gone--and was located on the SWC of Beaumont Ave. and STCRd. Glad to see it's still there--and seems so 'open'.

When the temps get below 100, I'll chat about joning you for some exploring.
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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Sep 07, 2009, 12:34:42 pm

Many of those buildings are in this book http://books.google.com/books?id=jr...=San%20Timoteo%20Canyon&f=false

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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Sep 07, 2009, 08:24:18 pm

Hi ferret,
 I have that book as well, but that is not the " in depth " one. There is another one with a map of from one end of the canyon to the other, and points out all the spots. As it says in the book though, soon this will all be " developed " so that is why I'm trying to get to this now before it's toooooo late....

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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Sep 08, 2009, 07:03:04 am

I found that book also but noticed that you had it already. I swear, just about every time you post a new thread, I kick myself for moving  away from California. Let us know what you find.

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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Sep 08, 2009, 07:55:08 am

I found that book also but noticed that you had it already. I swear, just about every time you post a new thread, I kick myself for moving  away from California. Let us know what you find.

LOL!!!! Thx, I will post my finds when I get them....

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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Oct 21, 2009, 10:31:18 am

Wow,  i would love to hunt there with you.  First thing I thought was "mmmm, pigs.  Nothing better than shooting a wild pig and cooking it while backpacking".   Then you posted about "no hunting".......lol
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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Jan 08, 2012, 04:18:20 pm

So, did anyone ever get out there?  PLL, I love your pics of the area!
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Reply To This Topic #26 Posted Jan 08, 2012, 05:41:35 pm

As with many opportunities, I never hooked up with pegleglooker...looks like it would be a great winter or spring hunt...

Wait to see if peg leg replies...he may have hunted the old places...

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Reply To This Topic #27 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 09:22:24 am

Hi Gang,
 I did go out there, but my detector broke down... There is a lot of area to go through and if anyone would like to go, just let me know...

Thx
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Reply To This Topic #28 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 10:07:21 am

I would love to hit that place!
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Reply To This Topic #29 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 12:57:10 pm

I was doing some research...and I found this environmental impact report www.cpuc.ca.gov/Environment/info/aspen/elcasco/pea/pea3-05.pdf, sounds like they were planning on building out there and tearing down those houses.  I don't think they qualified as historical as did the schoolhouse.  Very interesting history on the area and who specifically lived there.  Has anyone seen the area lately?  I'm thinking that because of the financial crisis they may not have continued the project?
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Reply To This Topic #30 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 01:03:56 pm

As with many opportunities, I never hooked up with pegleglooker...looks like it would be a great winter or spring hunt...

Wait to see if peg leg replies...he may have hunted the old places...

I agree, right now would be perfect.  Watch out for those wild hogs..... angry5 
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Reply To This Topic #31 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 01:44:00 pm

Hey guys check this out for me!  Please help

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Reply To This Topic #32 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 02:36:10 pm

I was doing some research...and I found this environmental impact report www.cpuc.ca.gov/Environment/info/aspen/elcasco/pea/pea3-05.pdf, sounds like they were planning on building out there and tearing down those houses.  I don't think they qualified as historical as did the schoolhouse.  Very interesting history on the area and who specifically lived there.  Has anyone seen the area lately?  I'm thinking that because of the financial crisis they may not have continued the project?


Wow,  great information.   Looks like Rush Woodhouse is responsible for the wild pig problem there.  Says he raised Hogs on the land.   Want to bet they are descendants of said hogs.
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Reply To This Topic #33 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 02:46:26 pm

I was doing some research...and I found this environmental impact report www.cpuc.ca.gov/Environment/info/aspen/elcasco/pea/pea3-05.pdf, sounds like they were planning on building out there and tearing down those houses.  I don't think they qualified as historical as did the schoolhouse.  Very interesting history on the area and who specifically lived there.  Has anyone seen the area lately?  I'm thinking that because of the financial crisis they may not have continued the project?


Wow,  great information.   Looks like Rush Woodhouse is responsible for the wild pig problem there.  Says he raised Hogs on the land.   Want to bet they are descendants of said hogs.

Right, I figured the same thing!  Escapees!
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Reply To This Topic #34 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 02:56:32 pm

Yup.   I'd be just as happy to hunt coins etc as I would be Hog..

Make a day out of it..  Everyone out hunting with MD's while roasting a fresh hog over a pit.   icon_thumright
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Reply To This Topic #35 Posted Jan 11, 2012, 03:53:13 pm

You really want one of those hogs dontcha?   Grin  Alright well, you let me know when you get rid of ALL of them.  Then I will check it out. 

P.S.  Save me some ham.
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Reply To This Topic #36 Posted Jan 12, 2012, 09:55:02 am

I do LOL!    You got it.    Wink
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Reply To This Topic #37 Posted Jan 16, 2012, 02:39:04 pm

I'm with tapout. I want to go out there and use the md AND hog hunt. I've got my pig tag ready, and my stomach is growling for some bacon. How do you get to Timoteo canyon anyways? and FYI for anyone out on jackrabbit trail, I saw a mountain lion there last weekend. First time I've ever seen one in  the wild. Just keep an eye out for it.
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Reply To This Topic #38 Posted Jan 22, 2012, 08:19:42 pm

I went there yesterday and found the farm that pegleglooker posted. No, I didn't detect. The entire place is posted every six feet with those stupid signs.  But, I found this! This plaque is on the wall by the little fishing lake.

it's hard to read, because I took the pic with my cell phone. Wyatt Earp really was in that canyon.
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Reply To This Topic #39 Posted Jan 23, 2012, 01:18:18 pm

I went there yesterday and found the farm that pegleglooker posted. No, I didn't detect. The entire place is posted every six feet with those stupid signs.  But, I found this! This plaque is on the wall by the little fishing lake.

it's hard to read, because I took the pic with my cell phone. Wyatt Earp really was in that canyon.


Three Questions! Grin


1.) Were the houses still there?
2.) Why didn't you detect?
3.) What signs?  No hunting?



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Reply To This Topic #40 Posted Jan 23, 2012, 01:44:43 pm

Whoa!   Very cool!
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Reply To This Topic #41 Posted Jan 23, 2012, 04:47:49 pm

I went there yesterday and found the farm that pegleglooker posted. No, I didn't detect. The entire place is posted every six feet with those stupid signs.  But, I found this! This plaque is on the wall by the little fishing lake.

it's hard to read, because I took the pic with my cell phone. Wyatt Earp really was in that canyon.


Three Questions! Grin


1.) Were the houses still there?
2.) Why didn't you detect?
3.) What signs?  No hunting?





1:The houses were still there, however I didn't see the blue one That PLL said was Wyatts house.

2:I didn't detect because my detector wasn't with me, and even if it was I didn't want to unless PLL was ok with it. He found that spot.

3:NO TRESPASSING WILDLIFE AREA
no huntin, sneezin, fartin, looky loo'in, don't even look over here because we want to keep you out of here signs.
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Reply To This Topic #42 Posted Jan 23, 2012, 06:41:41 pm

 Couple thing I need to clear up... The house I thought was Wyatt's is NOT his house, I was a block away. I met Nick Cataldo who is the local historian and writes for the San Bernardino Sun and he told me the correct location ( see map below ). Both houses are no longer there, also feel free to detect if you like, I would be curious to see what you find. If you feel like throwing me a small taste from your finds, I would SURELY be thankful :-). I should be going out there Wednesday with my Go Pro camera and if I do, I'll post the video on YouTube....

PLL


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Reply To This Topic #43 Posted Jan 25, 2012, 07:45:16 pm

Where's the map PLL?
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Reply To This Topic #44 Posted Jan 25, 2012, 09:11:14 pm


Why it's just above sir..... Oooops sorry :-)

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Reply To This Topic #45 Posted Jan 26, 2012, 08:11:49 pm

Thank you hahahaha I might go check that out this weekend. Being in Hemet, it's not too far away.
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Reply To This Topic #46 Posted Jan 30, 2012, 12:54:59 pm

 I found some new info ( actually just reread some old stuff ) about the property, it seems it was part of the old Singleton ranch. And the property immediately to the right was the Clanton ranch!!!! I am including a picture from the book, Historic San Timoteo Canyon by Peggy Christian ( ISBN 0-930704-33-9 if you are looking to purchase ) and you will see some of the same building as were in the pictures I posted early in this post...

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Reply To This Topic #47 Posted Jan 30, 2012, 02:11:01 pm


 Here's a map of the location...

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Reply To This Topic #48 Posted Feb 05, 2012, 06:53:10 pm

Very interesting stuff, just ordered the Images of America San Timeteo Canyon book and got my new metal detector in.  Time to do some exploring.
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Reply To This Topic #49 Posted Feb 06, 2012, 04:54:25 pm

I will be there tomorrow....

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Reply To This Topic #50 Posted Feb 06, 2012, 05:18:49 pm

PLL,
HH. Some day I wish to join you.
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