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What is this strange rock?

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Posted Sep 18, 2009, 09:22:23 am

Hi, Everyone,

What is this strange rock? 



And, what is the engraving?



Thanks for any help.
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Sep 18, 2009, 10:47:58 am

Here is a negative of your picture.
Could you elaborate on your observation.
I am not sure you have more than a natural formation. I may be wrong,
but I can't say as how I have seen anything here that would lead me to believe otherwise.

Maybe someone else can help.
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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Sep 18, 2009, 01:47:01 pm

just a guess! Huh   cool looking.    the other looks like sitting deer.
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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Sep 18, 2009, 06:28:11 pm

It's in the middle of a site with, like, 12 turtles.  I thought the round hole was hollowed out, and I thought the carving was a snake or bird.  Is picture 2 natural?

I thought the 2 different colored rocks meant one was stacked on top of the other.  Also, there is a notch in the top.  I thought it might even be an altar.  Also, there are faces carved into the other side.

Though I read Kenworthy's books way back, I'm new at this.  I expect any treasure to be gone because this is close to a big city, but I'm fascinated with the carvings.

And, I think I saw a sprung death trap.  I'll try to post more pics later, but I'm pretty busy these days.

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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Sep 19, 2009, 06:42:52 pm

great! i thought it looked like a sitting deer looking one way, but is a cool decoy. thanks for insight!
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Sep 19, 2009, 08:59:33 pm

mushroom ?
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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Sep 20, 2009, 05:42:33 am

These are ones I have never seen before.
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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Sep 20, 2009, 05:58:48 am

According to the books, the first is an oil sign.  I have no idea what it is doing there.

The second is another "duck" according to stilldign.

The third, is that a death sign with the top changed into a skull (2 eyes and a nose).

The fourth?  Sacred Geometry?

The fifth?  A reversed MB?

6, 7, 8.  ICP & Heart--kids' spraypaint graffiti?

9, 10, 11.  Another Indentation, like the original with the duck.

The twelfth, a man reading?  A preacher?

I'd appreciate interpretations, but I also wanted to share, as I'm rather new and am easily impressed.

If it is an accumulation room--what is exactly is it (the land owner reserving the royal 5th for the king), and what do I do next?

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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Sep 20, 2009, 05:13:15 pm


Hi  gorgious. What spectacular pictures! How exciting to find that!

Now i am no expert  but there are some basic things you need to decide...

1. Is this showing that there is something rather quite close by? Often called an omega monument.  I see a lot of  things that I speculate might mean that.

2. Is it more of a freeway  road sign ... i believe often called alpha monuments... showing how to get here and there at a clover leaf. I see some of that too.

3. What is your purpose? I find a lot of pleasure  in just following trails and learning the signs. If that is where you're at..look for faces, animal head, pointers and look the way they are looking. You will see another pointer for sure on one or more of them and there you go off down a trail to adventure and probably a mine or other interesting things along the way! Smiley

4. If another purpose you will want to study all resources available to you to learn more about how such things worked. A inexpensive start is to measure angles  and distance. Read old threads here. Use the net! Buy books. Sit and ponder that formation for hours. There is a lot to be seen there imho. Definitely Spanish. What position are the animals in, what are they doing?  Where are they looking. Draw conclusions from that **** Do not tell anyone the location.*******   Get a two box detector. lol and a good shovel or two  Grin  Hope you find a trustworthy partner.


It may be that something is hidden close by here.

Remember i am no expert.

Also if you go out to take another look..the blue box with the yellow arrow..I wonder if there are seven bumps or indentations on what is marked? In one way it sort of looks like a turtle to me..but looks like a few other things too.

Also..what on earth is that indian(?) doing? Choking a padre? Making a smoke signal? Or hanging out laundry? lol

Inquiring minds want to know lol

DM






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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Sep 20, 2009, 05:42:54 pm

Thanks, DM, for the fresh eye,

I'm blown away by what you found.  While I would like to strike it rich with gold/silver/artifacts, I'm into the whole DaVinci Code/Secret Language/Intellectual Masturbation thing.

I think there must be something there.  It's a big site.  Over 100 statues/carvings.  I found 2 other sites near and one destroyed by construction.  (I garbage picked a turtle head, but I couldn't lift anything else.)  I want to just wander the site for a long time.  I own the few books in print and need to travel to a good library to copy the rare books.  I have to work and write a book (unrelated), so my time on-site is limited.  Perhaps, I'd like to write a book like Keys.  I'd definitely like to be able to interpret like you guys.

I have a Bounty Hunter Detector.  I'm sort of scared to set off the Death Traps, though, digging.

What exactly are the alpha and omega?  I'm not exactly sure, although I've run across stuff from Kenbworthy's books, including the three trail humps.

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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Sep 20, 2009, 07:45:14 pm

if you found two other monument clusters of this type in terms of complexity and size not far..well it reminds me of a place  i call monument row. Monuments lined up along a trail.

Possibly you have a major trail going on there.

Omega is generally accepted to be the almost end of trail so to speak. Final directions to final directional marks/figures that  lead to the the item of interest or perhaps it just gives final directions to  item of  interest.

Alpha..i will step out on  for some one else to explain as i am not 100% sure myself.


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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Sep 20, 2009, 10:16:33 pm

Hi Gorgias
After a long day in the field I’m setting here in the hotel room bored
I couldn’t help myself
So I started looking over your photos
Of course you will have to confirm theses markers
To know for sure if there really there

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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Sep 21, 2009, 09:39:24 am

Desertmoon,

Thanks again for the help.  Lots of time Kensworthy interprets something for us without telling us why.  I'd love to get my eyes on those Spanish papers with the codes.

Rando, Definitley a possibilty.  There are definitely some Hispanics around.  But, there's an additional horizontal line on the oil mark.

Lost Horse, youre interpretation was impressive.  Snake and Heart usually mean gold there, right?  The other thing, is that a Bishop?  I loved your king and queen.

This turtle is on the back of that rock.

So, I'm thinking now, something is hidden, like a hole, under one of those giant boulders.

Gorgias

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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Sep 21, 2009, 12:09:55 pm

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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Sep 21, 2009, 10:50:33 pm

Gorgias,
Look to the right of your heart.
There is something else there.

Worth a second look rather than a guess later.
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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Oct 20, 2009, 11:04:36 am

Strange rock?  This is a natural formation commonly known as caprock formations or 'fairy chimneys' in other areas.  They can be found in many places around the southwest. check out:  http://travel.webshots.com/photo/1003347983014976276VSjBkXxNUs 
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Google 'fairy chimneys' images for other pics.

HOWEVER. having said that, I have to point out that they make a very obvious and visible site on which to record information.  The difficulty lies in separating the legitimate historical marks from the current day grafitti

It might be a good idea to consider where your rock is.  Those eaily accessible to day hikers in parks etc often have modern grafitti--even sometimes made to look like older markings.

You might want to consider wher the stone is to verifiy authenticity of old markings.
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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Oct 20, 2009, 11:07:36 am

Nor am I ruling out the possibility that a naturally occurring formation was modified for a specific purpose.  The stone is usually rather soft and it is easy for a natural formation to be carved or chipped away to create a face, animal or other image

Just be aware that the rock itself is a product of wind and blowing sand etc.
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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Oct 20, 2009, 05:44:19 pm

On a hill near here, there are, like, 5 more of them.  I read Old Dog once say they are trailmarkers.  I guess some kind of shadow sign based on the hole.  I actually thought it was a mine shrine, but I have no evidence other than the shape.  (It looks like they could put a corss statue inside.) Also, there are several carvings on the sides and roof, but the niche is a little high for me to comfortably fall into.

Gorgias

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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Oct 20, 2009, 09:38:31 pm

Gorge,
Here are the pointers as they stand out in the last photo.

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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Oct 21, 2009, 06:03:26 am

this looks like it could be something! crock or alligator
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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Oct 21, 2009, 11:36:24 am

gorgias,
My take on your posting, with help from a friend who claims 'great' knowledge.  I'm not sure about the order of of your pictures but here goes :- Indentation on strange shape rock. Resting deer, facing forward, ears out on both sides of head. Why is it at rest? Normally very skittish animals. There appears to be a drill hole beneath animal, to the left. Could be indication sign.  Cracks outside of indentation, to the left, play a large roll and have a meaning. As well as cracks above,  to left of star.
Tripod = Metal mine in area (ore)
Star sign = This sign is usually found in front of hidden stash.  It also indicates that 'stash' or what ever has been concealed is a personal claim and not stolen.  That it is broken and appears to have 3 dots, these are measurement marks.
To right of star is the shape of man with pointy nose, looking to the left past star at 'I' shape crack.
Picture: 'unknown'. Large (I) shape, resembling that of crack outside of 'resting deer' indentation. Note long line continuing from pointy shape, going left and ending with a cross shape. Cross = star.
Picture: IND 3. Sitting man with K shape or, Star shape on his right.
Resting deer and sitting man with K shape could both be place markers, meaning X marks the spot but having said all that....
Somehow..... I don't think all signs are related and you could be on a wild goose chase.
Lastly heart sign:  Major sign (Solomon) whatever that means. Things get stranger still.... Whatever is to be retrieved/recovered must only be undertaken by 3, 5 or 7 people OR be cursed. Another meaning: To right of sign, concealed in the rock, not earth/soil below, 'something' is hidden.

Well, of course, its up to you to put your own interpretation on all of the above. Discard all if unfitting.
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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Oct 21, 2009, 06:03:11 pm

NEAT

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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Oct 21, 2009, 07:34:46 pm

Doesn't anyone wonder about that large, round recessed area in Ind 1, Ind 2, and Ind 3 that looks as if a lot of mud was used to close in and smooth over the area.  And in Ind 3 you can see the overflow of mud on either side at the bottom that is not smoothed out.  The surface on the right side at the bottom is knobby and rough. 

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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Oct 22, 2009, 09:48:25 am

In the "Death.jpg," this is at high center.

I'm thinking of the early writing system where they combined letters to form an image which represented the idea of the word.
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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Oct 22, 2009, 12:00:11 pm

Thanks everyone for your input.  Though I don't see any of it, Feather--that's so cool.  Get your friend to mark up and explain. . .

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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Oct 23, 2009, 04:08:27 am

Gorgias, Not sure how to mark pictures, I need to get some help there - advice anyone?  Next, approximately how far is Lion, (Reading book) picture, from Strange rock?  Do you have a clear picture of what is on the right hand side of strange rock?
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Reply To This Topic #26 Posted Oct 23, 2009, 10:17:50 am

Feather,

You mark with a photo editing program  I use an old photoshop, but I'm sure something comes with microsoft these days.  You just select the pen and circle/outline things.

Reading a book, if you're facing the strange rock is maybe 150' behind and to the right.  Reading the book is a lion?  There are some real lions here.

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Reply To This Topic #27 Posted Nov 15, 2009, 03:19:44 am

gorgias: Whats up at the site, are you any closer to unraveling signs? You've got a hot spot there don't lit it fizzle out.
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Reply To This Topic #28 Posted Nov 15, 2009, 11:35:41 am

Well, Feather,

It did sort of fizzle out with the changing season.  I think it's a campsite.  I found a trapped entrance.  I found a pozo with a manmade cover.  I detected and found nothing but garbage.  I thought with over 100 statues/monuments, someone would have dropped something.

I haven't necessarily figured out what to do, but I haven't necesarily given up.

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Reply To This Topic #29 Posted Nov 16, 2009, 08:19:47 am

If you have found the Pozo, you can open it pull out the trap rock if there is one there and climb down inside.  The Pozo was a vent to the tunnel or Mine and enlarged to allow quick entry also death traps inside the entrance could be disarmed before major opperations continued.  The Pozo is your entry to the mine Tunnel where the Treasure or Ore is.  The depth will be to deep for the average metal detector to pick it up.

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Reply To This Topic #30 Posted Nov 16, 2009, 11:40:25 am

Pozo has a man-made cap on top.  I thnk someone got there before me.  It's in a city. . .  Lots of Indians around who are probably descendants of the people who did the work.  Likely it's gone.

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Reply To This Topic #31 Posted Nov 16, 2009, 02:01:12 pm

Pozo has a man-made cap on top.  I thnk someone got there before me.  It's in a city. . .  Lots of Indians around who are probably descendants of the people who did the work.  Likely it's gone.

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Reply To This Topic #32 Posted Nov 16, 2009, 03:04:10 pm

I didn't forget, Thom.  Just letting it rest awhile.

Not sure what to do at this point. . .

Tom
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