Mysterious Tin Coin - part of Templar legacy?

I would say that if you have Johnnyi, Crusader, and SWR UNITED and questioning something, you had better listen

SS,
Yes, it seems that there are many uncalled for comments on this thread.  It's unfortunate.

It seems that Johnnyi, Crusader, and SWR have some kind of bone to pick with us two in particular.  Why? Who knows?

We should all try to be more respectful of one another.  Unfortunately, when I am shown disrespect, I tend to throw it right back.  

But for the love of Pete people....can't we all just get along?  

 thanks scratcher, you know where its at.  I'm always here to help & yes I like a joke

Trust me I never pick a bone unless very upset, & rarely then as well.  I have no need to add to this because its already been covered.

(I hoped you would get a kick outta that )

By the way Your Dagger Handle was correctly ID by myself and PBK...hard for you to except I know, because somebody from the UK got it right just Green Check it like it should have been weeks ago

SS, with all due respect, I cant recall you ever making a correct ID here at TN but I recall many by johhnny.  Can you post this dagger handle? I must have missed it. 

I agree pictures can be deceiving but its not possible to hold it in our hands. Good clear pictures from different angles will have to suffice.

Now I've had time to read this with my morning tea, I can see where this all went downwards.

Although I don't agree with SS all the time, I feel this was not a helpful comment in IDing this piece & amounted to a personal attack.  SS has spent many hours on items like this & has many correct IDs & facilitated many others.  I know there is a bit of history between you but this was not called for & quickly spiralled out of control.  Enough said on this as its waist space on this ID.

I think johnnyi was just steering in direction of wine bottle/jam jar based observation this appear to be a one sided object and not a coin/token.

Here's another idea: Medallion for a book 

 http://shop.ce-bookcovers.com/index.cgi?code=3&cat=2

IronSpike,

That is a very interesting looking book and medallion on it.  Do you know what it represents? Where did you find the photo?

Thanks for posting.

There's a link with the posted pic. Didn't notice already suggested by BCH 

I think it's helpful when thread owners can assist in answering questions about object. It helps research by not only relying on pics 

[ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ]

LOL!!!!! Ha! Ha! Ha! 

That was a great morning laugh MJ -- thanks!

Hi everyone 

I spoke to the owner of the coin last night. I asked him if he thinks that there may be a chance that it was ever stuck to anything.  He said it wouldn't be out of the question, although, he doesn't see any clear evidence of an adhesive.  Perhaps the pieces of adhesive got so flattened over time, that it looks like they are part of the coin itself  as I certainly didn't see any either. 
He will also take photos of the side, and try to get us an exact measurements of the coin.  He is away this weekend, but will do so as soon as he is able upon his return.
I will then be able to post more information. He did say however, that it was actually larger than a Canadian Toonie, by about 1.5 times the size.  This could probably account for the weight.
He is still leaning towards the item being of Rosicrucian origin.
I will post more info as soon as I get it.

By the way Your Dagger Handle was correctly ID by myself and PBK...hard for you to except I know, because somebody from the UK got it right just Green Check it like it should have been weeks ago

SS, with all due respect, I cant recall you ever making a correct ID here at TN but I recall many by johhnny.  Can you post this dagger handle? I must have missed it.  

I agree pictures can be deceiving but its not possible to hold it in our hands. Good clear pictures from different angles will have to suffice.

Now I've had time to read this with my morning tea, I can see where this all went downwards.

Although I don't agree with SS all the time, I feel this was not a helpful comment in IDing this piece & amounted to a personal attack.  SS has spent many hours on items like this & has many correct IDs & facilitated many others.  I know there is a bit of history between you but this was not called for & quickly spiralled out of control.  Enough said on this as its waist space on this ID.

OK I see now that this historic find thread was going great until I came along with my personal attack. This thread could have been a TN legend. Im sorry to upset you Crusader and Im sorry vastik for commenting.  SS has spent many hours on this and I think hes headed in the right direction. Like he says, we cannot tell from just a picture, and this could be silver. Vastik I think you should ignore any comments by Johnnyi and the others, because they may just have a bone to pick with you.

I also want to add that there is NO HISTORY between SS and I. Yes, is true that I most always disagree completely with him, but that doesnt mean I have a grudge. I would be the first to congratulate him if I see a great ID. My problem is that I call it as I see it and that may not be politically correct. If someone is wrong, I will not hesitate to tell them. In the future, I will try to hold back my opinion. Just because someone has spent many hours, doesnt mean its helpful. I realized that I shouldnt have said it, I tried to delete but not fast enough.. It wasnt so much an attack on SS but I was supporting johnnyi for all the great correct IDs he has made here and I really did miss the dagger ID and I still cant find it.

Hi all, I have a few thoughts on this thread if I may be so bold, first off we have Vastic posting this and answering ?'s about this object when in fact it is not even in her possession, and then having to try and track down the owner for size and weight info and such, then i have seen several references to it being close to or the same as a Toonie, which I am guessing is some kind of Canadian coin? I know what a Loonie is, it's the Canadian dollar coin and at one time i had one, but it's been a while now so maybe if using coins for comparison it would be helpful to use ones from the 2 countries that seem to be doing most of the work on this, IE the U.K and the U.S, and also it may be more helpful to either have the owner be more forthcoming with the info requested or perhaps they should be the one doing the posting so as to speed up the process, no offence to you there Vastic, it seems you are in that most unenviable "rock and hard place" spot, but at the same time you do seem somewhat offended by some of the theories put forward and that seems less then helpful at times so....anyways those are some of my thoughts on this object and the post it started.

Chuck

I think it was on a letter opener,,attached with epoxy,,,thanks

arthur

Hi all, I have a few thoughts on this thread if I may be so bold, first off we have Vastic posting this and answering ?'s about this object when in fact it is not even in her possession, and then having to try and track down the owner for size and weight info and such, then i have seen several references to it being close to or the same as a Toonie, which I am guessing is some kind of Canadian coin? I know what a Loonie is, it's the Canadian dollar coin and at one time i had one, but it's been a while now so maybe if using coins for comparison it would be helpful to use ones from the 2 countries that seem to be doing most of the work on this, IE the U.K and the U.S, and also it may be more helpful to either have the owner be more forthcoming with the info requested or perhaps they should be the one doing the posting so as to speed up the process, no offence to you there Vastic, it seems you are in that most unenviable "rock and hard place" spot, but at the same time you do seem somewhat offended by some of the theories put forward and that seems less then helpful at times so....anyways those are some of my thoughts on this object and the post it started.

Chuck

Thanks for your input Chuck.  It is not the comments and theories that offend me, it is the sarcasm behind some of them.  I did not come here to be joked about.
The owner of the coin simply does not have the time or resources to actually be able to post on this forum, so I am doing this as a favour to him and becuase of my own curiousity about the item.
He is sometimes slow in getting the information, but we are trying. 
I will get exact measurements and photos of a side view, and will post them as soon as I have them.

Everyone's help is much appreciated in this thread, whether they are in support of me or not.  We all have our theories, but until a concrete identification is made, this item will remain a mystery.  I hope to one day find another one just like it, so that we can be sure of what it is.

Vickie

My problem is that I call it as I see it and that may not be politically correct. If someone is wrong, I will not hesitate to tell them. In the future, I will try to hold back my opinion.

Don't stop being you.  And clean out your inbox.

For those of us like me that are still trying to visualize the size of this unknown item, here are some examples of Canadian coins. I believe the bottom row is the same size as US coinage.

He did say however, that it was actually larger than a Canadian Toonie, by about 1.5 times the size.  

I am thinking about the wine/jam bottle theory. Someone felt it was important enough to score it and glue it back on, so maybe its not a common bottle.

It is a possibility that it was on a bottle of holy water.
I still would like to find another to verify exactly where it came from.

I will ask for an exact size.

Thanks for posting.

Vickie

It may also be a lid to something, that was later glued to something else. It doesnt help that most of what I google comes up in German.

http://www.mysterycoin.com/

Memory of the 1900 Mission = Andenken an die heilige Mission 1900 (German)

To The Holy -or- The Saint = an die heilige

IHS = Jesus (Latin)

Well, I just read your other site... I guess the translations were already done. 

Also contains the Jesuit Seal...

I wonder if it could be a Commemorative item from the Ecumenical Missionary Conference held in New York in the year 1900 .

http://books.google.com/books?id=MN...lt&resnum=1&ved=0CAwQ6AEwAA

there were Missionaries from all over the world attending , including Germany .

"It is a possibility that it was on a bottle of holy water."

Yes Vickie. If you've googled "holy water bottle" you've seen a few already, with both square and round medalions adhered to their fronts. They are modern though. It will be a challenge to find what Christian object this was attached to, but sooner or later it will show up.

Having learned from Germany last week that what first appeared to me to be "I I I S" is actually a well known (over there) monogram "I H S" which is Latin for "Jesus savior of men" (somethig Jim immediately pointed out early on, and  which I'd missed) , I retract any guess that this is associated with wine bottle or other bottle that is not directly associated with a church memento.

vastik;

"You guys know your coins, I don't doubt that, but I'm really looking for someone who knows about the symbology of it.  I was hoping someone on this forum would know something about the symbology."

Here are some images from my hard drive, although I didn't save any stories on them other than the file names.  Also some links---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus
http://www.jesuit.org/Default.aspx?P=PortalHome

Here's a interesting link it also puts johnnyi's wine theory back into it

http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back.../alternative/secret_symbols_IHS.htm

SS

Helpful and interesting SS, but I have changed my mind on the wine theory as I mentioned earlier. Your link does though mention Monstrance. If you scan the word and search images you find a variety of inserts,  one of which we may be what we're looking at here .

Our work here is done...       (IMO)

Here's a interesting link it also puts johnnyi's wine theory back into it

http://www.jesusfamilytomb.com/back.../alternative/secret_symbols_IHS.htm

SS

The description sounds nearly identical.
This is definitely the closest we have come.

I think it is from a church for sure.  Would love to find another like it.

Helpful and interesting SS, but I have changed my mind on the wine theory as I mentioned earlier. Your link does though mention Monstrance. If you scan the word and search images you find a variety of inserts,  one of which we may be what we're looking at here .

Johhnyi,

How do I scan the word to search for the images? 

Thanks!
Vickie

Might a lot of you be on the correct path?  Could it be from a sacramental wine bottle?

5 mins later:

here's a link with a very close image on a seal, about halfway down the page under the heading "Jesuit Corner"

I see I forgot to include the link.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...6rlz%3D1I7GGIH_en%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Helpful and interesting SS, but I have changed my mind on the wine theory as I mentioned earlier. Your link does though mention Monstrance. If you scan the word and search images you find a variety of inserts,  one of which we may be what we're looking at here .

Johhnyi,

How do I scan the word to search for the images? 

Thanks!
Vickie

Just Google the word Vickie

SS

Having learned from Germany last week that what first appeared to me to be "I I I S" is actually a well known (over there) monogram "I H S" which is Latin for "Jesus savior of men" (somethig Jim immediately pointed out early on, and  which I'd missed) , I retract any guess that this is associated with wine bottle or other bottle that is not directly associated with a church memento.

I thought IHS was a given since MJ mentioned it back on reply #3, like you said.  I dont know why Jesuit Christians could not be associated with wine making.  



All I can say vastik, is that it appears to be machine stamped sometime during the Industrial Revolution or after... and therefore cannot be Medieval Germany.  I am waiting for a side view picture. Tests reveal a 20th century metal alloy. Ill PM someone and try to get some more help because I dont know enough about the symbolism..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_Jesus

For those interested, google "all seeing eye" and "Jesuits" for some reading.

The word "mission" does not necessarily have to be a place. It could also mean: a. A special assignment given to a person or group: an agent on a secret mission.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/mission


So to sum it up so far, what we may have is a one-sided 20th century Jesuit or Illuminati "all seeing eye" tag or medallion with the German words "in memory of the holy mission", that was at one time glued to something.

The Illuminati was a secret society in Bavaria in the late 18th century. They had a political agenda that included republicanism and abolition of monarchies, which they tried to institute by means of subterfuge, secrecy, and conspiracy, including the infiltration of other organizations. They fancied themselves to be "enlightened" but they had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin (Pipes 1997).

I admit not knowing much about it but this link makes a connection between the Illuminati, the Jesuits and Germany. http://meetilluminatimembers.com/illuminati.html

Illuminati (plural of Latin illuminatus, "enlightened") is a name that refers to several groups, both historical and modern, and both real and fictitious. Historically, it refers specifically to the Bavarian Illuminati, an Enlightenment-era secret society founded on May 1, 1776. In modern times it is also used to refer to a purported conspiratorial organization which acts as a shadowy "power behind the throne", allegedly controlling world affairs through present day governments and corporations, usually as a modern incarnation or continuation of the Bavarian Illuminati. In this context, Illuminati is often used in reference to a New World Order (NWO). Many conspiracy theorists believe the Illuminati are the masterminds behind events that will lead to the establishment of such a New World Order. Confusing the issue further is the fact that there are also several modern fraternal groups which include the word "Illuminati" in their names.

The Order of Illuminati was a group formed from within the Freemasons in 1776 by a Jesuit taught man by the name of Adam Weishaupt. It's goal was also the creation of a new world order but the group was suppressed by the Bavarian government for allegedly plotting to overthrow all of the kings in Europe including the Pope! The Order was carried on by Geoseppe Messini of Italy and Albert Pike of South Carolina who was a 33rd degree Mason. This group would spur on others such as the Bildeberg Group, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, Club of Rome, the U.N and many more.


I am leaning toward one of my original theories of a mid to early 20th century book medallion. But I dont know why it would need to be scored on the backside.

Just something else to think about and to add to the book medallion idea.  Although IHS, cross and 3 spikes is definitely the Jesuit Seal, it is also the logo of IHS Press, a Catholic publishing house based in Virginia.  Scroll down to Black Sun. http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Occult_symbolism_II#Black_Sun

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I am leaning toward one of my original theories of a mid 20th century book medallion. But I dont know why it would need to be scored on the backside.

IMHO;
 the back of this, scored so crudely; someone liked the look of it where it was, before it fell off.
 
I can imagine - there was an attempt to re-attach it, with the original back, possibly. Then it fell off again, then the crude cross hatching is either a seriously, devious treasure map, or an amateurish attempt to make the B-----y Glue stick, this time 

As I say, in my humble opinion.

Cheers, Mike

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I am leaning toward one of my original theories of a mid 20th century book medallion. But I dont know why it would need to be scored on the backside.

IMHO;
 the back of this, scored so crudely; someone liked the look of it where it was, before it fell off.
 
I can imagine - there was an attempt to re-attach it, with the original back, possibly. Then it fell off again, then the crude cross hatching is either a seriously, devious treasure map, or an amateurish attempt to make the B-----y Glue stick, this time  

As I say, in my humble opinion.

Cheers, Mike

I just meant that if it was a book, (porous) it should stick, or stay stuck. It must have been glued to something non-porous like ceramic or glass to feel the need to score it.  In other words, I dont see the need to score the backside to stick to a book, unless the glue was poor or wrong type. But maybe Im guessing too much here with the scoring.

Three pages?

really?

 

It is not Medievel, but it still needs identified, unless you know what it is. Most of us lost interest with the wild speculation video.

I've been a member here a long time and come here to read from time to time.  
Don't post often, but this thread I found very intersting.....
I don't know anything about coins or tokens or madallions, not versed on German
culture or religious matters, I just like a good mystery!

Did some quick googling.....
From an auction, here is a glass item trimed in brass commerating a holy/scared mission,
from the 1920s the item description says.
Has same inscription as this "Mysterious Tin Coin"
"Zum Andenken an die Heilige Mission: except Heilige is abbreviated with hl.
Also has "Durch das Kreuz den Lohn" on it.  Ran that through google translate
....came back in English as "Through the cross of the wage"....!?
The auction description (which google also translated the page) gives
 the translation of the inscription as
"In memory of the Sacred Mission - Through the cross of the reward"
size given "Approx. 12.5 x10cm.", roughly 4x5 inches, quite larger than
the mystery coin.
If anyone knows enough German and could possibly contact this seller
to see if they knew more about the item...??

AUCTION in German
www.hood.de/auction/34875999/altes-glasbild-aus-20er-jahre.htm

AUCTION Translated to English
http://translate.google.com/transla...g.mozilla:en-US:official%26hs%3D7vP

Also, something from a German church speaks of 'people's mission' and of commerating that mission.....
CHURCH in German
www.khg-wuerzburg.de/.../alle-bistumsnachrichten.html?f

CHURCH Translated to English
http://translate.google.com/transla...%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official

Hoping this might be a little "illuminating" for those who have time for more researching.

Happy Hunting,
from Happy Wanderer

I just wanted to add the plate image to your excellent post Happy. Clues seem to point to early 20th century.

Indeed!   There is some good research going on here folks 
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

Indeed!   There is some good research going on here folks 
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

Here's a bit more, early German Gold Ducat

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2769

SS

Indeed!   There is some good research going on here folks 
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

Here's a bit more, early German Gold Ducat

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2769

SS

 

Thanks SS, that is some great research on your part.  I looked through David Icke's website but could not find anything.  Glad you found it!
Based on the fact that only "certain" Jesuit coins/medallions featured the all seeing eye, I'm thinking it was a "higher order" -- perhaps my theory of the Illuminati is correct.  It's what I've been telling the owner of the coin all along.
I'm going to search some more as I have a strong interest in secret societies and the Illuminati in particular.

Thanks for your help! 
Vickie

Based on the fact that only "certain" Jesuit coins/medallions featured the all seeing eye, I'm thinking it was a "higher order" -- perhaps my theory of the Illuminati is correct. 

Where did we obtain any "facts" that certain Jesuit coins/medallions featured the all seeing eye?  You seem to be spinning speculation into facts   

Check the earlier posts for some clues.  Perhaps "fact" was the wrong word to use. 

I dont know much about the symbolism but I happen to think that the "all seeing eye" does point to some kind of modern version of the Illuminati. According to my research (The original Illuminati) "had little success and were destroyed within fifteen years of their origin" (Pipes 1997). I dont know if I would call it a "higher order".

If someone can produce an all seeing eye on a modern Jesuit logo, it would refute my findings.

Good research SS Here is the coin in the link.

Indeed!   There is some good research going on here folks  
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

Im just trying to get the ball rolling. I think some members have given up. I also wonder what is "the holy mission".  Is it an early 1900's place? Where is it? What country? Or does it have another meaning; such as a secret mission or special assignment. Or is this the logo of the IHS Press, a Catholic publishing house based in Virginia?

Indeed!   There is some good research going on here folks  
I wonder what the "mission" was?

Vickie

Im just trying to get the ball rolling. I think some members have given up. I also wonder what is "the holy mission".  Is it an early 1900's place? Where is it? What country? Or does it have another meaning; such as a secret mission or special assignment. Or is this the logo of the IHS Press, a Catholic publishing house based in Virginia?

Thanks BCH,

I'm thinking that because of the German writing, it probably isn't from the U.S.
An earlier post mentioned something about a 1900 mission or gathering for RC priests  
I'm leaning in the direction of a "special assignment", but that's just my silly gut instinct.

Still searching some Illuminati sites....
 

This link that was posted originally by SS has a Jesuit symbol showing the all seeing eye.  Scroll down below the photo of the coin to see it.
Are the Jesuits part of the modern day Illuminati?

VT

hi, Do you think this item is made of a TIN ALLOY called WHITE METAL ?


                                           tinpan

MISSION designates the type of wine in the bottle.

I think thats very possible but we havent proven that, have we? Did I miss something?  Ill try to search in that direction. http://www.wineriesofoldmission.com/

hi, Do you think this item is made of a TIN ALLOY called WHITE METAL ?


                                           tinpan

This is part of the report from the metallurgy lab. (reply #165)  Tin, Copper, and Indium. Do you recognize the alloy?  Im not familiar with this alloy. There is no zinc. Is this considered white metal? ..or pot metal? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_metal  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_metal

Area 1 Face of coin
Spectrum processing :
No peaks omitted

Processing option : All elements analyzed (Normalised)
Number of iterations = 1

Standard :
Cu    Cu   1-Jun-1999 12:00 AM
In    InAs   1-Jun-1999 12:00 AM
Sn    Sn   1-Jun-1999 12:00 AM

Cu= copper
Sn= tin
In= indium

What is InAs?   Does anyone know?

Cu= copper
Sn= tin
In= indium

What is InAs?   Does anyone know?

InAs  indium is preheated to above a 100 degrees [f] before adding to the alloy.Copper was added to make the alloy harder.Copper melting point alot higher than tin and indium. White metal varitant used for medals

                                   tinpan

Cu= copper
Sn= tin
In= indium

What is InAs?   Does anyone know?

InAs  indium is preheated to above a 100 degrees [f] before adding to the alloy.Copper was added to make the alloy harder.Copper melting point alot higher than tin and indium. White metal varitant used for medals

                                   tinpan

Are you saying that the As means it was heated?

Cu= copper
Sn= tin
In= indium

What is InAs?   Does anyone know?

InAs  indium is preheated to above a 100 degrees [f] before adding to the alloy.Copper was added to make the alloy harder.Copper melting point alot higher than tin and indium. White metal varitant used for medals

                                   tinpan

Are you saying that the As means it was heated?

 As in metal terms means preheated above a 100 degrees before adding to the alloy mix. So it was hot before they dropped into the pot.

                                     tinpan

OK thanks. Is this a modern alloy? Can this help us date the item?

OK thanks. Is this a modern alloy? Can this help us date the item?

I have several medals and buttons made of an alloy like this All date between 1900-1950 Even the decorative font designs are almost the same.

                                           tinpan

Get out the popcorn. <a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/LcfRK5rwluM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/LcfRK5rwluM</a>

Well gee...that was a fine waste of time. Was there something relevant in regards to the topic there?  

No, it just shows all the seeing eye logos we have been googling all in one place.  

MISSION designates the type of wine in the bottle.

The symbolism does not have to be historically correct, or have a definite meaning. Advertising the product the item was cemented to was the purpose served. It could be from California, too 

Ive given some more thought to your mission wine theory. Maybe the medallion is in memory of the holy grape.

Cu= copper
Sn= tin
In= indium

What is InAs?   Does anyone know?

InAs stands for Indium Arsenide.
Hope that helps some.

Vickie

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Ive given some more thought to your mission wine theory. Maybe the medallion is in memory of the holy grape.
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I wonder what ever happened to the holy grape?  Did it get lost along with the holy grail?

Well gee...that was a fine waste of time. Was there something relevant in regards to the topic there?  

No, it just shows all the seeing eye logos we have been googling all in one place.  

MISSION designates the type of wine in the bottle.

The symbolism does not have to be historically correct, or have a definite meaning. Advertising the product the item was cemented to was the purpose served. It could be from California, too  

Ive given some more thought to your mission wine theory. Maybe the medallion is in memory of the holy grape.

The scorn attachment method would fit better on glass, ceramic compared book. I leaning towards beerstein or wine decanter of sorts.

http://images.google.com/imgres?img...3D1G1ACGW_ENUS342%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

Cu= copper
Sn= tin
In= indium

What is InAs?   Does anyone know?

InAs stands for Indium Arsenide.
Hope that helps some.

Vickie

Thanks. Ill use any clue I can get.  Im tired of googling "all seeing eyes".

The mission wine theory seemed to fit at first but Im changing my mind. I cant understand where it fits with "in memory of the holy mission."
"In memory of the holy mission wine" does not fit. The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?   Also why does a Jesuit logo have an "all seeing eye".

Cu= copper
Sn= tin
In= indium

What is InAs?   Does anyone know?

InAs stands for Indium Arsenide.
Hope that helps some.

Vickie

Thanks. Ill use any clue I can get.  Im tired of googling "all seeing eyes".

The mission wine theory seemed to fit at first but Im changing my mind. I cant understand where it fits with "in memory of the holy mission."
"In memory of the holy mission wine" does not fit. The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?   Also why does a Jesuit logo have an "all seeing eye".

That's my question too BCH:  Why the Jesuit Logo with the all seeing eye?  But I did see an all seeing eye with the Jesuit Cross on a fraternity pin on the David Icke website that SS posted yesterday.
Another question is, if it's Jesuit, why are they using the Rosicrucian flowers on the IHS?
I think SS's post with the other IHS coin is the closest so far.
Still searching......

That's my question too BCH:  Why the Jesuit Logo with the all seeing eye?  But I did see an all seeing eye with the Jesuit Cross on a fraternity pin on the David Icke website that SS posted yesterday.
Another question is, if it's Jesuit, why are they using the Rosicrucian flowers on the IHS?
I think SS's post with the other IHS coin is the closest so far.
Still searching......

Are you referring to this pin?
http://pages.slu.edu/org/asn/
Dont forget the gold coin is from a much older era.

What Rosicrucian flowers?

What Rosicrucian flowers?

    

I think those are Trefoils - stylized shamrocks

http://www.fisheaters.com/symbols.html

What Rosicrucian flowers?

    

I think those are Trefoils - stylized shamrocks

http://www.fisheaters.com/symbols.html

I think you may be right Mojjax.  The owner of the coin thought they might be the same type of flowers that the Rosicruician's used in their symbology, but I tend to agree with you that they are trefoils....again, another Christian symbol.
Good searching on you part! 

That's my question too BCH:  Why the Jesuit Logo with the all seeing eye?  But I did see an all seeing eye with the Jesuit Cross on a fraternity pin on the David Icke website that SS posted yesterday.
Another question is, if it's Jesuit, why are they using the Rosicrucian flowers on the IHS?
I think SS's post with the other IHS coin is the closest so far.
Still searching......

Are you referring to this pin? [ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ]
http://pages.slu.edu/org/asn/
Dont forget the gold coin is from a much older era.

What Rosicrucian flowers?

That's the one I'm taking about BCH.  On our coin there are the little flowery ends to the IHS letters, but I think that Mojjax is correct that they are Trefoils.

"The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?"

Been enjoying this from the sidelines, but this is going around in circles now. Mission means what it says. All the Germans who were showed a picture of this object said this means, "mission of the assigned catholic priest who's responsibility it was to re-energize his assigned communities/churches to be better believer." 
 

"The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?"

Been enjoying this from the sidelines, but this is going around in circles now. Mission means what it says. All the Germans who were showed a picture of this object said this means, "mission of the assigned catholic priest who's responsibility it was to re-energize his assigned communities/churches to be better believer."  
 

That sounds logical.  "Going around in circles now" If you posted that, I must have missed it first time around. The Jesuits purpose, or mission, was to spread the word of God around the globe.
Thats what I was trying to say, that it may not be a particular place.

If the holy mission is solved that leaves us with why is there an all seeing eye on a Jesuit medallion?

"The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?"

Been enjoying this from the sidelines, but this is going around in circles now. Mission means what it says. All the Germans who were showed a picture of this object said this means, "mission of the assigned catholic priest who's responsibility it was to re-energize his assigned communities/churches to be better believer." 
 

Yes indeed.  I am searching in the direction of missions as well, as that will certainly date mark it.  I'll post whatever I find.

"The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?"

Been enjoying this from the sidelines, but this is going around in circles now. Mission means what it says. All the Germans who were showed a picture of this object said this means, "mission of the assigned catholic priest who's responsibility it was to re-energize his assigned communities/churches to be better believer." 
 

Yes indeed.  I am searching in the direction of missions as well, as that will certainly date mark it.  I'll post whatever I find.

You misunderstood I think. Mission the verb, not the noun.

"The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?"

Been enjoying this from the sidelines, but this is going around in circles now. Mission means what it says. All the Germans who were showed a picture of this object said this means, "mission of the assigned catholic priest who's responsibility it was to re-energize his assigned communities/churches to be better believer."  
 

Yes indeed.  I am searching in the direction of missions as well, as that will certainly date mark it.  I'll post whatever I find.

NOT a particular mission place that can be dated, vastik. Its the holy mission of the Jesuits to spread the word of God.

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"The big mystery here, vastik, is what is the mission?"

Been enjoying this from the sidelines, but this is going around in circles now. Mission means what it says. All the Germans who were showed a picture of this object said this means, "mission of the assigned catholic priest who's responsibility it was to re-energize his assigned communities/churches to be better believer." 
 

Yes indeed.  I am searching in the direction of missions as well, as that will certainly date mark it.  I'll post whatever I find.

NOT a particular mission place that can be dated, vastik. Its the holy mission of the Jesuits to spread the word of God.

Okay, I understand what you mean now.   

..or is it the holy mission of the Illuminatis?

..or is it the holy mission of the Illuminatis?

That is my question. 

The owner seems to think it is the holy mission of the Rosicrusian's.
Their mission was to help mankind without getting paid for it.  I don't know much about them.  They were dated back into the 15-1600's.  The resurection of the Illuminati, it would seem to me, was just around the WWII era, or just prior. 
Still searching......

Scanning through one of David Icke's book, it is all over the map showing the connection of the Jesuits and the Brotherhood (Illuminati) to the point where the "all seeing eye" and Jesuits are on the same page. This book is not an easy read as it is packed full of research. I'll type in a paragraph that is related here.

A very significant strand in the Brotherhood network was officially launched called the Bavarian Illuminati by the German professor, Adam Weishaupt. It was quite a year for the Brotherhood because also in 1776 the House of Rothschild was formerly founded and the brotherhood-controlled economist from Scotland, Adam Smith, published his highly influential work, "The wealth of nations." Like I say, dates matter to these people because they represent energy flows and cycles. Weishaupt used his Illuminati to further infiltrate Freemasonry. Weishaupt was trained as a Jesuit, the Society of Jesus. The founder of the Jesuits, the Spaniard Ignatius Loyola, formed a secret society within this apparently "Catholic" order and the initiates were called the Alumbrados, the "Enlightened", the "Illuminated." Weishaupt created 13 degrees of initiation in his Illuminati (the same as the number of levels on the Great Seal Pyramid) and the key personnel were to be found in the top nine degrees. Many people get confused between the Illuminati (the network that spans thousands of years) and the Bavarian Illuminati, which was just one significant secret society within the network.

Interesting stuff and I guarantee that if you e-mailed a picture of this "coin" to David Icke, he would gladly tell you all you need to know on this piece. I'm sure he will give his time and.........(Knock, knock,) AHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRR!!!!!! THE REPTILIANS ARE AT MY DOOR! 
lol
Dave.

For what it is worth, all the people who were personally shown this image the other day were Bavarian. (Munich is in Bavaria.)

The following was written by John Bourke, (art historian) in 1960, and it shows pretty clearly that the "all seeing eye" is not at all unusual to find in churches of Bavaria.  http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...d=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

For what it is worth, all the people who were personally shown this image the other day were Bavarian. (Munich is in Bavaria.)

What did they say about the "all seeing eye"?   Maybe the eye is just a Jesuit symbol..

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I think all we know for sure is that its a 1.1 inch diameter, thin, machine stamped, one sided, 20th century "cheap" metal alloy medallion with German writing and Jesuit symbols, once glued to something.  That may be as far as we can go without a pic of an exact match.

(IMO Johnny and SS have shown that the "all seeing eye" doesnt have to be Illuminati).

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Move along, nothing to see here.

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For what it is worth, all the people who were personally shown this image the other day were Bavarian. (Munich is in Bavaria.)

The following was written by John Bourke, (art historian) in 1960, and it shows pretty clearly that the "all seeing eye" is not at all unusual to find in churches of Bavaria.  http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache...d=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

That's interesting Johnnyi, as the "modern day" Illuminati did have their start in Bavaria in the early 1900s, I think.
It is a symbol used by many faiths, but to the Illuminati, it means more than that.

hmmmmmm.......

I thought a few here might be interested in knowing that the administration of the "mystery coin chat board" made a full and accurate account of the object, including it's Christian church symbolism at communion, even going so far as to say it was probably used on a monstrance. Kudos to them!   Now if those "Carthaginian coin" "professors" can do the same......

I thought a few here might be interested in knowing that the administration of the "mystery coin chat board" made a full and accurate account of the object, including it's Christian church symbolism at communion, even going so far as to say it was probably used on a monstrance. Kudos to them!

can u post the link?

I thought a few here might be interested in knowing that the administration of the "mystery coin chat board" made a full and accurate account of the object, including it's Christian church symbolism at communion, even going so far as to say it was probably used on a monstrance. Kudos to them!

can u post the link?

The link is threaded in the first post. I threw caution to the wind and signed up (with email address) and was pleasently surprised.

Is this it? http://www.mysterycoin.com/viewtopi...id=79ba85527a6669cb1565788d097d51ab

Is this it? http://www.mysterycoin.com/viewtopi...id=79ba85527a6669cb1565788d097d51ab

That's the one.

German Masonic medallion?