Time For a New Treasure Sign and Symbol Web Site

  Folks, the time has come.
 
   

  Do not reveal our treasures.

My attempts at thwarting you have failed. I have tried hiring people to discredit you, but you saw through that as well.

For centuries our group has had power through our wealth and secrets. We have always been able to handle any 'problem' that
threatened us...


....until now.


Never before has such a foe as yourself appeared.
If you give away the codes that only you somehow have deciphered, centuries of organization and embedded power will collapse.

Name your price for silence.


We will pay it.

ten cents

Bullcrap ! Let's go back to your member's only spot . That's a bit more than ten cents and worth every penny 

 Folks, the time has come to create a brand new, "members only" web site for exchanging information on treasure signs and symbols.
  I am ready to reveal the most important information concerning treasure signs and symbols as well as map decoding techniques.
  Up to this point, I have not really cared about who I was releasing my information to....but that has changed.
  It is time to seperate those who want to learn from the riff-raff that visit this web site.  It's time to seperate those who want the truth from the librarians in Utah and elsewhere.
  I know who my students are, I know who wants to learn and I know who is here to be a pain in my ass.  We need a web site without the likes of swr, shortstack, librarian punk from Utah, and others.
 
    

I'd like to know why the hell you put me into the naysayer class.  If you check my posts you will NOT find me trying to debunk anyone;  just the opposite.  I don't know what you've been smok'n, but it's fried your reasoning.      RIFF-RAFF??   I've got your riff-raff hanging!  

     LOL, I just want to post to this so I can follow along until this thread gets yanked. 

     LOL, I just want to post to this so I can follow along until this thread gets yanked. 

Since I don't go whining to the Mods about other posters; if this thread disappears it'll be because the original poster deletes it.

     LOL, I just want to post to this so I can follow along until this thread gets yanked. 

Since I don't go whining to the Mods about other posters; if this thread disappears it'll be because the original poster deletes it.

     I don't have a dog in this fight, I just find the juvenile antics of adults quite humorous. Good luck to all in their persuit of happiness.

Well Now look @ them All crawling outa the Wood/Rock work..

not sure why anyone would even put a reply here when OP said send a PM/email.. Just me i guess

Unfortunately, sd, by eliminating all dissenting opinions, you will have limited your audience to the faithful chelas who gather at your feet.  The wider group of interested and discriminating people who require demonstrations of the validity of your ideas will be excluded. This tactic will backfire on you if your intent is to educate the curious, such as by posting your ideas on a public forum or by releasing a publication.  If your intent is to create a cult, then you're on the right track. 

Hello All you. I have a little time in this forum and I have learned a lot. I have received and read ed many inputs about something, I know some ones are ok, maybe another wrong, but I belive in that inputs because my learning about this is poor is it this the point were the experts can help if they see something wrong and with real facts product of his study or field experience say the most reality and no figth with others because that dont give us nothing positive, only confuse. I know in the forum are many people with a big knoweldage about treasure they may be the guardian of the true, we are adults and we must decide who belive or not. Thanks all that people who understand all our questions.

psst......psst.....


   ...don't.....seek....the.....treasure.

[the riff-raff that visit this web site]

 Folks, the time has come to create a brand new, "members only" web site for exchanging information on treasure signs and symbols.
  I am ready to reveal the most important information concerning treasure signs and symbols as well as map decoding techniques.
  Up to this point, I have not really cared about who I was releasing my information to....but that has changed.
  It is time to seperate those who want to learn from the riff-raff that visit this web site.  It's time to seperate those who want the truth from the librarians in Utah and elsewhere.
  I know who my students are, I know who wants to learn and I know who is here to be a pain in my ass.  We need a web site without the likes of swr, shortstack, librarian punk from Utah, and others.
 
    

Then maybe you should send emails to your select followers, instead of insulting TN and the members here. ( "the riff-raff that visit this web site" )
 

 I didn't feel insulted .

HMMMMMMMM

I have to DITTO Gollum - HMMMMMM

well gang,

I know a couple of things,

1. a site without the professional desenters would be a relief.
    i have spent way to much time fighting off naysayers.

2. negative energy ALWAYS disipates ideas to failure.
    there are people who like disinformation on this site

3. ..."its just a rock, ordinary,nothing special,,etc blah blah"
   this is a kind of propaganda, from someone who just wants attention, and
   likes to cause discord. we all could do without that.

take it for what it is worth...
please no replies, on no. 3, i dont need it.
rangler

ps let me  be the first to say, "sign me up"!

well gang ...
... let me  be the first to say, "sign me up"!

Watch out for that door on your way out.

"ACCEPTING THIS REALITY WITHOUT QUESTIONS,, MAKES POSSIBLE THEIR DECEPTIONS" SIGN ME UP!!  I WOULD LIKE TO SLAM A DOOR IN SOME FACES!!  td

No need to shout, dog.  Go ahead and accept this stuff without question - you'll make a terrific disciple.

HEY SPRINGFIELD BOY!!  I DON'T MIND BEING A DISCIPLE!! I WOULD RATHER LEARN,, THAN BELIEVE I KNOW IT ALL,, LIKE YOU!! PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THEY KNOW IT ALL,, ARE USUALLY  FOOLS!! AGAIN LIKE _ _ _ !!  td

I would like to say thank you, and sign me up to. Knowledge is priceless.

[from someone who just wants attention,]

well gang,

3. ..."its just a rock, ordinary,nothing special,,etc blah blah"
   this is a kind of propaganda, from someone who just wants attention, and
   likes to cause discord. we all could do without that.

take it for what it is worth...
please no replies, on no. 3, i dont need it.
rangler

Now THAT'S priceless. (Sorry, but no.3 just begs response  )


Jay

[good luck and good hunting to those of you who choose to leave us in favor of a private discussion free of skeptics, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.]

Well good luck and good hunting to those of you who choose to leave us in favor of a private discussion free of skeptics, I hope you find the treasures that you seek.

Personally I think it is good to have at least ONE skeptic to "keep us honest" and help us to avoid proceeding from an erroneous conclusion into a series of errors.  Some folks can be a bit pithy or even sarcastic, which defeats the purpose of a skeptical, contrary argument by appearing to be a personal attack, but we have that handy-dandy "ignore" button if we choose to use it.  Anyway I do wish you folks good luck, sorry to see you go. 
Oroblanco
 

well let me start by saying tttttttthhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhppppppppp :tongue3:i was a dues paying tneter but due to the economy i cannot be a paying member i have a wife and 2 kids and when i am not working which is not very  often. the last 6 months due to the economy no to many companys are building houses right now i am a rough in framing carpentar. i have cut back on my chewwing tobacco from the 4 dollar cans to the 1.50 a can. i dont use the aa pack on my dfx 300  i use the rechargeable pack.  i have even went into my lock box and sold some of my not so good silver rings and coins. i even go yo yard sales with a loop and read the tags and buy gold and silver for dimes and quarters to make some dollars. i would find it rather segregated by being left out due to not being a full member. i am new to the hobby and i want to learn BUT , i will call bullspit when i see it. i think it would be very educational to learn from a more experienced treasure hunter, but if you want to be the kids that says its my ball and we play my way or i go home well then kiss a fat babys butt. you are not a teacher but a tv evangilist .   respectfully ,  OLEPOSSUM   

HEY SPRINGFIELD BOY!!  I DON'T MIND BEING A DISCIPLE!! I WOULD RATHER LEARN,, THAN BELIEVE I KNOW IT ALL,, LIKE YOU!! PEOPLE THAT BELIEVE THEY KNOW IT ALL,, ARE USUALLY  FOOLS!! AGAIN LIKE _ _ _ !!  td

Calm down, dog.  If you'll review any or all of my past posts, you'll notice that I have never claimed to know the answers to the mysteries that interest us all.  When somebody DOES claim to know all the answers, I'm quick to ask for more than mere wind to demonstrate that he knows what he's talking about.  Who wouldn't, and why wouldn't they?  If one is not willing to back his claims on the public forum he preaches on, then maybe it's a good idea that he takes his followers to a private message list.  I for one remain open-minded about these self-proclaimed experts' ideas, but we never seem to get past the bragging and unsupported chatter.   

Stilldign,

As we all know, woven into the fabric of society there will be flaws. We are all born equal but, either due to nature or nurture, misfits are created. These misfits, on their journey to finding a place where they can belong, build up a huge store of anger and resentment against the accepted ones. They are to be found everywhere, seeping through the cracks and loopholes to gain entry or, they enter as 'posers' portraying what they are not. Once in, these rejects will do anything to gain attention. (Strange but they all seem to go about things the same way). They set about being as offensive and obnoxious as possible.  To me, this is just a cry out for help, they are screaming out to be heard and acknowledged - reading their posts one can hear their plea for recognition. They are aware of their shortfalls and that they have nothing to contribute but yet they will persevere.

Believe it or not,  (yes you're thinking I'm I nut) even these people have a roll to play in society. They are set in place to help us achieve our objectives in life........ against all odds. Look upon their posts a pat on the back, they're actually paying you a compliment. Tooting your horn for you - drawing the people to read your posts, actually they are doing you a service and not disservice. They are your Disciples but beware, the come with "The Judas Curse"

*Forgive your enemies, but......never forget their names*

Kind regards and all the best for your new venture
feather

Since I started using the "Ignore" button, these threads have been a lot easier to read, except for the occasional reply to those people.

Why reply to them?  Just use the button and carry on as usual.  That would save the rest of us from having to trudge through their loopy logic and BS when reading your replies to them.

Don't worry about it!

 

I will say one more thing about this:

Some people are railing against others they say claim to know it all. Some say that they want to break away from the naysayers. Some say that those naysayers are just trolling for attention.

Anyone with the slightest bit of rationality takes a couple of things away from those statements:

1. The persons making them are the ones trolling for attention, and they don't want anybody there that could taint their audience's perceptions with some factual input that contradicts their postulations. Who looks like they are being a know-it-all?

2. Having naysayers to keep you honest is a good thing. A good thing if you don't mind criticism, or if you have enough evidence to back up your claims. Take Lamar. When it comes to Jesuit Treasures, Lamar is the biggest naysayer there is. However, he is a very good researcher, with a vast knowledge of the Catholic Church. When I make a statement about anything Jesuit, I know I had better have my $hit together or he will call me on it. Even with us being polar opposites on some subjects, we still maintain a good facade of cordiality. HAHAHA Really, he is a very courteous and knowledgeable guy.

I don't mind being contradicted. I have learned several new things that way. I just jump when things get personal, or when I see advice given that could put people in harm's way. I also know that there are some things about which I have been promised to secrecy. I know and understand that others are in that same situation. When you find yourself there, you can't get mad at someone who doesn't believe you. When you can't provide proof positive, you can't expect everybody to take you at your word. 

Everybody just needs to carefully decide who and what they wish to believe. We are all adults here, and as such, are responsible for their own lives. Believe what and whomever you want.

Best-Mike

  hello stildign, sure makes me sad for you to start another forum--i am not a full member here and can't be because of finances. i don't know how the ignore button works because i have'nt tried it--how about just reconsider this and if the ignore will keep you from hearing those you don't want to hear--then push that sucker for all it's worth. i have learned much here and especially your posts,and feel like there may be others like me who just can't become full members for their own reasons,and will lose good info if you start a forum which will require paying.whichever way you decide to go,happy trails and maybe let those in who can't pay but want to learn without wading thru all the cr-p.tenclaw

[Most naywaysers are really closet fisherman]

greetings,
I dont think (except for the naysayers) that we were LEAVING for another forum,
just ADDING another asset, to further explore more sensitive information that has
NOT seen the light of day online or in any books!

Some here seems to what to squash any movement toward digging up the goods.
Most naywaysers are really closet fisherman, they want to tweak us posters in to being
upset, and give some them inside info, just to PROVE to them we know what we know.
It is a cheap trick and obviouisly doesnt work.

Dign's idea of a private website were we DONT educate the naysayer/fisherman is a good one
I have as you know coded data with xxxxx's   because the fisherman should not be rewarded
with our hard earned knowledge.

I think that if we all continue to post, teach, and ask questions here as we have been doing,
but ADD a second se, by password only, we can kick this whole thing up a notch..to Advanced
Understanding of the subject that we all have devoted our time to.
hope this helps -
rangler
 

 Fine idea . Hope that if I can't get a password on the getgo that I can work my way up to being invited in .
 Jim

password please!!!!!!!!

[Most naysayers are really closet fisherman]

Most naysayers are really closet fisherman, they want to tweak us posters in to being
upset, and give some them inside info, just to PROVE to them we know what we know.
It is a cheap trick and obviously doesnt work.

rangler
 

Drat, and I had already taken out financing on a new Corvette based on treasure info I thought I could 'rangle' out of you.
Is there no way myself and my Illuminati brethren are able to best you ? We must keep trying though, our very survival as a secret order depends on it.

fishers, nasayers, password,oh hell why not just go back to the caste system seems some of the people are just big kids with pricey toys so what are we gonna need to get into some of these disscussions pretty soon a resume of our equipment .  a alphabetical list of our finds and high res pics.  well i can start the application for equipment if it ever becomes a requirement .i have a dfx300/12 inch coil and a 5.3 inch eclypse coil a garrett propointer a lesche hand trowl and a lesche ground shark 48 inch model  oh yeah i also have a garrett ace 250  with a sticok coil.  if this aint good enough should i add prices of quipment  to make myself sound bigger and better. you know this is about getting to be bullcrap i belong to 12 other treasure sites and come here more than any other site i use .  with all the pissing contests and i pay and you dont hell its begining to be like high school all over again hell that is why i quit got my ged and went to the work force at 16 i was sick of it then and i am just about to the stage .holy crap how many members in here are grown men ?seems like i am trying to join a club ONLY THE COOL KIDS CAN JOIN man this is pathetic.later all

....PROVE to them we know what we know....
rangler
 

Splendid idea!  When are you going to begin?

 Folks, the time has come to create a brand new, "members only" web site for exchanging information on treasure signs and symbols.
  I am ready to reveal the most important information concerning treasure signs and symbols as well as map decoding techniques.
  Up to this point, I have not really cared about who I was releasing my information to....but that has changed.
  It is time to seperate those who want to learn from the riff-raff that visit this web site.  It's time to seperate those who want the truth from the librarians in Utah and elsewhere.
  I know who my students are, I know who wants to learn and I know who is here to be a pain in my ass.  We need a web site without the likes of swr, shortstack, librarian punk from Utah, and others.
 
    

hi dig . why would think that such a place does not already exist ? please take this under advisement though, it is most difficult deciding just who gets in and who is moved out of such a place . another difficult call is ,do you just allow those who contribute , or even  just agree with whatever view is put forth ? sceptics can be a very good thing when some unknowns really should be looked at from all angles . never the less good luck to you with whatever you come up with .i just found this topic today , and have had several inquires from people wanting to know where to find you . if you move to a more private location ,please leave an address here , and i will forward it to any future such inquires. thanks .///bob

[The comedy just keeps getting better!]

SWR wrote

The comedy just keeps getting better!   Two Thumbs Up! 

 

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Lend me you ears.
I have been watching this site about a year and as a newbie I have appreciated all the knowldge it has imparted.  There is only so much that the books can teach us.  It takes individual help on most sites to get futher along.  It seems to me that there are three kinds of posters:
First, there are the cloud watchers (I call them cloudies).  They see something in almost everything.  Lord knows that a lot would be missed if it wasn't for their input.  Sometimes I think they sure have good eyes.  Other times, I don't see it but that's ok because only the person in the field can make that judgment call for their site.  Most, if not all, of the cloudies readily admit that they don't have all the answers.  They don't claim to be experts.  I appreciate them on the site even it I don't always see things the way that they do.
Next, on the other side of the pendulum are the naysayers.  They are the doubters.  They question everything and very seldom have a positive input.   Sure we need posters that will keep us from swollowing everything.  Some of them even show their research to back their opinons. Their biggest problem, however, is credibility.  Most naysayers don't have anything that shows that anyone should listen to them.  Where are their photos or field stories?  Research is great, we can't do without it.  But field experience gets my attention.  I do what many others do and that is ignore them.  What a great button the "ignore" button is.  We need not add heat to the fire by trying to discredit them.
The other group is the solid middle of the roaders that mentor us and show us their photo examples.  People like SD, OD, Rangler, LH , DM and others.  They keep emphasizing "confirmation, confimation, confirmation".  I just have concerns about losing any of the middle of the roaders with newbies coming on all the time. 
Every site needs professional help.  Like SD said, "we need partners".  We need each other and I want to continue being mentored.
There is also the PM for our use.  A PM to Rangler got me further down the road and made things come into place.  Hang in there and oro para ti.
okey dokey 

 Okey Dokey ,
 That was a dose of common sense . I been here a while too and learning all the time . PM's to folks I have learned to trust have shortened my learning curve greatly . The fact that they responded gives me the benifit of the doubt on credibility . Thank all of you that have helped via PM .
 Perhaps , as you suggest ; we don't need an exclusive group .
 Just use the ignore button to exclude the unwanted from the group that is here .

Ladies and Gentlemen,
Lend me you ears.
I have been watching this site about a year and as a newbie I have appreciated all the knowldge it has imparted.  There is only so much that the books can teach us.  It takes individual help on most sites to get futher along.  It seems to me that there are three kinds of posters:
First, there are the cloud watchers (I call them cloudies).  They see something in almost everything.  Lord knows that a lot would be missed if it wasn't for their input.  Sometimes I think they sure have good eyes.  Other times, I don't see it but that's ok because only the person in the field can make that judgment call for their site.  Most, if not all, of the cloudies readily admit that they don't have all the answers.  They don't claim to be experts.  I appreciate them on the site even it I don't always see things the way that they do.
Next, on the other side of the pendulum are the naysayers.  They are the doubters.  They question everything and very seldom have a positive input.   Sure we need posters that will keep us from swollowing everything.  Some of them even show their research to back their opinons. Their biggest problem, however, is credibility.  Most naysayers don't have anything that shows that anyone should listen to them.  Where are their photos or field stories?  Research is great, we can't do without it.  But field experience gets my attention.  I do what many others do and that is ignore them.  What a great button the "ignore" button is.  We need not add heat to the fire by trying to discredit them.
The other group is the solid middle of the roaders that mentor us and show us their photo examples.  People like SD, OD, Rangler, LH , DM and others.  They keep emphasizing "confirmation, confimation, confirmation".  I just have concerns about losing any of the middle of the roaders with newbies coming on all the time. 
Every site needs professional help.  Like SD said, "we need partners".  We need each other and I want to continue being mentored.
There is also the PM for our use.  A PM to Rangler got me further down the road and made things come into place.  Hang in there and oro para ti.
okey dokey 

Old friend,
I am humbled with your kind words.

Beware of the PM. A snail mail message may be more secure.
There are some on these threads that are experiencing this.
Not even emails are secure.. I'm noy being paranoid, ask Swiftsearcher.
I can't get an email from him ... PERIOD.

If you have serious questions about your site,
use the PM to get an address ...
Then ask the questions you need answered.

Who ever thought a snail mail message would be more safe than an email.
Beware of using the phone for these purposes.
Taps are almost undetectable these days.

Thom

very True OD..

& well spoken above ok'y & trukin

... Beware of the PM. A snail mail message may be more secure.
There are some on these threads that are experiencing this.
Not even emails are secure.. I'm noy being paranoid, ask Swiftsearcher.
I can't get an email from him ... PERIOD.

If you have serious questions about your site,
use the PM to get an address ...
Then ask the questions you need answered.

Who ever thought a snail mail message would be more safe than an email.
Beware of using the phone for these purposes.
Taps are almost undetectable these days.

Thom

There is no electronic security, either by email or by phone.  If you have anything of a sensitive nature on a computer that is connected to the internet, it is vulnerable regardless what your firewall provider claims.

And, by the way, if Big Brother really wants to know what you're up to, you can throw out physical mail too, and messages enclosed in UPS/FedEx packages.  Unless you transfer information eyeball to eyeball, any correspondence method you've used can be or has been easily compromised.  All this assumes of course that you have been discussing something of value to another party.

Dear group;
I had assumed that open forums were meant to be utilized for the free exchange of ideas, beliefs, theories and comments. If someone wishes to start a tightly moderated *closed* forum, then in truth, the entire *forum* concept becomes null and void and the forum then turns into a group of like-minded people with narrowly focused goals and beliefs. Of course, those who field an even slightly different view than the accepted norm of the forum's members would be banished, or even initially barred from the forum in the first place.

Oddly enough, Marxism is based upon these same principles.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Dear group;
I had assumed that open forums were meant to be utilized for the free exchange of ideas, beliefs, theories and comments. If someone wishes to start a tightly moderated *closed* forum, then in truth, the entire *forum* concept becomes null and void and the forum then turns into a group of like-minded people with narrowly focused goals and beliefs. Of course, those who field an even slightly different view than the accepted norm of the forum's members would be banished, or even initially barred from the forum in the first place.

Oddly enough, Marxism is based upon these same principles.
Your friend;
LAMAR

You mean like excommunication?

Dear group;
I had assumed that open forums were meant to be utilized for the free exchange of ideas, beliefs, theories and comments. If someone wishes to start a tightly moderated *closed* forum, then in truth, the entire *forum* concept becomes null and void and the forum then turns into a group of like-minded people with narrowly focused goals and beliefs. Of course, those who field an even slightly different view than the accepted norm of the forum's members would be banished, or even initially barred from the forum in the first place.

Oddly enough, Marxism is based upon these same principles.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Lamar ,I am not sure i quite understand why someone wanting to have a private forum , would be likened  to  a Marxist in your post. if you can get two treasure hunters to agree on any thing IMO you have really managed to pull something off . if you think everyone all has the same opinion about topics that center around treasure hunting , then that's not the case , even in a like minded group  . most  public forums have lurkers , people who do not do much of anything other than glean information from others . some private ones do not , so far that has been my only experience with removal of a member . of course if someone through a huge temper tantrum , and started  giving out insults to others , and calling them names that  might be good grounds for expulsion . heck that might even be the reason one private forum came to be in the first place . this topic kind of makes me feel silly for ever having defended dig at another place like this . but he does have a few good ideas , Ive always said that , even in light of this topic .but no mater who tells you what in this hobby or business , do yourselves a favor , check it out for yourselves . some ideas hold water and some do not. besides i have found comparing notes outweighs being preached to by anyone .including me

 Stilldign, Rangler,

If you were to obtain a personal page from Marc, (must be a charter member to get one) you would then be in complete control of the posting. You would have a moderators control that would allow you at your discretion, to modify or delete any post that you deem objectionable or detrimental to the discussion. You could also have several threads in your personal page going at once and you would have control over all of them.

Perhaps that would be a preferable alternative to all-out secrecy.
Either way I would wish to be included.

Respectfully,

GG~

As would I.
Well stated GG

well dig are you going to come play or not? your library book is over due 

alright I guess i just have to play with myself then , oooop s sorry .
STILL DIGN HELPED ME ONCE ,
i asked a question , and he answered /
i asked him what something was , and he told me .
that's is all that was said , he was very elusive///////// then  came the OWLS /
he talks allot about them, on the NET  . we do not agree on their origins but this post is not about what we
disagree on . it is about credit and i will give it where it is due.
i took pictures , {something i learned how to do with out the aid of a book } i had them for along time and did not see it . allot of folks know of this marker , but no one ever said any thing about an OWL. i showed a friend of mine the pictures one night and he said i see an Owl . i said where? ////

, please forgive the white out but it is hard to see . ///////here is that OWL



there was another email or two , its been along time ago but i told him i knew what it meant , {or maybe and i use the word maybe, what it might be about }
he told me that for a mere 200,000 dollars he would gladly take me to some cap stone thing .
I declined.......
 but because this is a public forum that's all i choose to divulge here .
for his help i say thank you . you do get some of it right .
and don't think i know it all , because i do not . please take this under advisement
replace the word Illuminati with the united states department of interior . and please tell folks
that until someone changes the laws governing public land . that there are great dangers in this hobby .
it is legal to look , it is even legal to find , but if there are artifacts it is highly illegal to take , and very dangerous .
Dig, have you ever wondered why so many of the signs and methods are similar on some of the sites?
do you not think it possible that perhaps some of them had common origins in antiquity . not the family , but the truth you claim to look for and help people with , is a very dangerous thing . it may just threaten many beliefs .
i will compliment you for being much nicer on this forum  to folks .
and it must have sucked bad when that guy called you out on those paintings in the supers , ya i had to go and read your posts here, i did not know where you went . now i have tried to be nice and even stroked that ego a little , so please do me a favor and don't talk smack about the librarians in Utah anymore , its just not nice......

.... the truth you claim to look for and help people with , is a very dangerous thing . it may just threaten many beliefs ...

It's been said that everything you believe is a lie, including your from-birth, core beliefs - it's the way people are controlled.  This is quite plausible because humans are so easily programmable, and after millenia of the same lies, belief becomes 'fact' and 'truth'.  That's why when presented evidence that rocks their world, people tend to cover their ears, close their eyes and scream, "La! La! La! La!" (and kill the messenger if possible).  Like Jack said in the movie, "You can't handle the truth".

As far as paying money for advice (on any subject), "Caveat emptor".

Steve ,that whole kill the messenger thing does not really sound like all that much fun.

STILL DIGN HELPED ME ONCE ,
i asked a question , and he answered /
i asked him what something was , and he told me .
that's is all that was said , he was very elusive


there was another email or two
he told me that for a mere 200,000 dollars he would gladly take me to some cap stone thing .
I declined.......

....and those that may question the credibility are considered 'negative'.  Interesting.


Jay

Dear Saturna;
The irony boggles the mind, doesn't it? To the very best of my knowledge, none of the *naysayers* on this forum have ever asked for a single penny for information which they've gladly and openly shared with others. I honestly don't consider myself to be a *naysayer* as I believe in lost treasures, however I tend to take a more * traditional* approach to the problem, which seems to upset those treasure hunters who are more out towards the fringes.
Your friend;
LAMAR

Lamar wrote

I honestly don't consider myself to be a *naysayer* as I believe in lost treasures, however I tend to take a more * traditional* approach to the problem, which seems to upset those treasure hunters who are more out towards the fringes.

HOLA amigo,
May I suggest, with your excellent access to archives, that you may well have the information needed to locate and recover one (or more) of the various sunken treasures lost when ships were sunk, during the Colonial period.  Several have been located in recent years, and with todays technologies, even deeper shipwrecks can be recovered.  The "payoff" could be in the millions of dollars, which would be of great benefit to an altruistic organization, perhaps one you admire such as the Society of Jesus.  I doubt that anyone would "throw stones" at someone for recovering a treasure and making a large donation to such an organization.  There are quite a considerable number of such shipwrecks, which have never been recovered and salvaged.     Have you thought about researching one of the lost "treasure ships" of the Spanish fleet?

I would suggest trying to locate one on land, but these have proven much more elusive as there were no "ship's log" or navigator keeping track of latitude and longitude in most cases. 
Oroblanco

Saturna , please don't run with this information , it may have been like a challenge to motivate me . i think ole dig knew i did not have that kind of money . these message boards may not be a very good place to  really get to know the other person very well. but i was just a snot nosed kid back then . we were all members of a much smaller forum , and you can kind of see where someone is on their journey by what they say , and the pictures they post /  i did not get any info about location or any thing else , and it may just be he really was trying to help .in a round about way ...  i dunno for sure . remember this i said thank you to him in that post you have in red. and i meant it . but some bridges have to be walked alone . if you get to figure something out for yourself , it means allot more than having any one tell you . besides we all could use a little help now and then .   i have never met any one that you can not learn something from.

Dear Oroblanco;
You suggested
HOLA amigo,
May I suggest, with your excellent access to archives, that you may well have the information needed to locate and recover one (or more) of the various sunken treasures lost when ships were sunk, during the Colonial period.  Several have been located in recent years, and with todays technologies, even deeper shipwrecks can be recovered.  The "payoff" could be in the millions of dollars, which would be of great benefit to an altruistic organization, perhaps one you admire such as the Society of Jesus.  I doubt that anyone would "throw stones" at someone for recovering a treasure and making a large donation to such an organization.  There are quite a considerable number of such shipwrecks, which have never been recovered and salvaged.     Have you thought about researching one of the lost "treasure ships" of the Spanish fleet?

I would suggest trying to locate one on land, but these have proven much more elusive as there were no "ship's log" or navigator keeping track of latitude and longitude in most cases.

And, my answer is, who says I'm not, my friend?
Your friend;
LAMAR

come on Dig , i know your reading these . look i'm sorry OK , if i did something to offend you , it was not meant to be mean spirited . I know you have a lifetime of knowledge , but  i also know that no one and i mean no one knows every thing , about this stuff. there seems to be a pretty effective effort , to suppress knowledge and locations of anything that rocks the boat, in the archaeological arena . basically , internal memos {at the very least }have instructed the powers that be to lie to the public . their reasoning is to protect resources that are irreplaceable . that all sounds warm and fuzzy , and you almost miss the part where they give themselves permission to lie . i did not give them permission to lie to me about anything . the problem i have is just what  does  happen when something is found , that contradicts "professional ", "religious ", or any other seemingly accepted norm ?  it usually disappears , and sometimes so do the finders . i use to think it was just about greed . but the more i see the more convinced i become that someone , needs to stand up and demand some answers from our peers . most of the normal folks think we treasure hunters are nuts anyway , so this smoke screen has really been effective . i find the best possible evidence {supposed treasure symbols and sites } i have ever seen  in places such as national parks , national monuments , conservation areas, wilderness areas , etc... now i know there are those here that think some of us are just looking at clouds , but i have really tried to just investigate stuff that IMO anyway are more than just rocks . i don't really like that word confirmation, but i have  to use it to describe something that has some type of other "proof "that whatever a marker , or shadow is  , it might be something more than just a rock. examples might be if something is mapped  , or has tool marks , or something along those lines . now there is no way to even begin to describe the possibilities , or even have a chance at getting the possible authors of these things right. i guess i just don't have the resources to even begin . you don't need a new treasure sign and treasure symbols web site , what you need is some common ground and some type of unity , maybe even a little help from a  higher power to fix the paradox that can happen to the finders of such things  . now i don't really care about the Spanish , their motives were about wealth for the most part . there were a few exceptions . but i do care that anyone trying to do something more than just prospect , is in most cases either beaten before they begin by the way things are , or forced to become a criminal .

Stilldign ,
here i have a present for you, you said it was a "map" , you said somewhere else on a forum it was leading to a" billion dollar room" .
you never said it had anything to do with an "ancient temple" . now i did not come here to be a pain in your butt. but if you want to teach a class online , then you need input from many different sources , including every library that might have some clue as to the origins of such things . I'm not looking for a treasure , dig , i'm trying to fix it . because in my opinion it is broken, and we all need to at least entertain the idea that each one of us has some stake in "knowing the truth" . even if it is just one liitle part of a much bigger picture .

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Dear kanabite;
Please don't worry overly much about ol' Stilldign, my friend. Most likely, he's busy spending someone's 200,000$ and when he has gone through that, he'll be back.
Your friend;
LAMAR

well i got to go for a while anyway , i can't sit here all day and fix my typos , and misspelled words . its not that often one has  to unzip their fly on a public forum  .and  its a little unnerving . lets just hope no one kills the messenger . i kind of enjoy living . 

im very interested in any info you have to share any help will be greatly appreciated.

Comic relief is good for the soul   

yes you are.

thought there was always things to do in tampa?

 Folks, the time has come.
 
    

 

man , i see the edit button has really been busy this morning  

Dig , why have you deleted 50 or so of your posts here ? it is true i pulled two pictures ,I did not think you liked the present or something . o hell, it is obvious you are just going to continue to ignore me , so i guess i will leave you alone . good luck to you anyway.

hey i'm at 100 ,,,, full member . see you around 

man , i see the edit button has really been busy this morning  

Dig , why have you deleted 50 or so of your posts here ?

Wow, I just noticed the same thing. Considering what the first post started at, it's now a whole lot different.
Apparently the original poster is not able to delete the whole post, so I guess he settled on removing his posts. Sort of makes the remaining posts somewhat out of context.

Oh well...

stilldign wrote:
Re: Time For a New Treasure Sign and Symbol Web Site
Reply To This Topic #68 Posted Today at 11:37:10 AM  Quote 

  Why do you people "act" so concerned.  I have been deleting what I write for the last 6 months plus.
  This post will self-destruct in 24 hours.

well mainly because if you write something and then delete it after 24 hours i have no idea what was going on unless someone happens to hit the quote button . Dig i really have had many folks looking for you . not bad folks or anything just people who wish to read and follow your ideas on line . i did not know where to send them until I found this topic. sorry i am kind of busy out side of the cyber world and can't keep tabs on everyone . so like i said if you move shop again please leave an address here and i will forward it to those who wish to follow . 
sorry you did not like my present BTW , it really took allot to post them here . it was probably a very stupid thing to do on my part , but i was just trying to help . i meant the part about finding some common ground and unity . good luck to you again , and thank you for your help .///bob

Illuminati at it again, eh?

No, I checked with my Illuminati contacts and other secret operatives and it wasn't our operation.
 We have hired some new people to pose as members here to dis-credit those who get too close to our treasures, but that's about it for the moment.

 I know, for a fact, that many of you are here for the legitimate reason of exchanging ideas about treasure signs and symbols.  I have received hundreds of e-mails through the years proving this point.
  Then there are some who are here to throw doubt into the mix of truth.  And that is fine.  Let the Kenites have their fun, it WILL be short lived.  
  There is no question about the authenticity of the signs and symbols found in the field. And, if you operate in the same mode that LeVan Martineau operates, then you know that it takes finding the same sign at more than one site, and having that same sign mean the same thing at each site, in order to make it an "official interpretation."  I have done this with more signs that anyone I know.  No brag, just fact.  But there occurs a problem when you get people like swr, who require a historical document that your information is correct.  There is a reason why these "branches" of the illuminati are called secret....it's because they are virtually unheard of...and there are NO documents (maybe a few.. lol) that are exposed to the public.  I really don't mind people like swr...or people like saturna but the fact is this....you either have the eyes to see...or you don't.

hi again dig ,
i'm not trying to dis credit you , i am merely trying to expand on some of your ideas.well not just your ideas but of all those who have helped me try to figure out the little part of  this i have seen. hang on the board is messing with me i need to write this next part in a separate post

I really don't do well in clubs so I don't plan on joining any.... any time soon, and as far as I'm concerned all information is good information be it right or wrong.

So you guys keep up the good work and fantastic progress you've been making I'm headed back to where people actually get something accomplished  

you crack me up amigo  

dig all i was going to say is the one thing your Illuminati and even some groups like the KGC or perhaps even the Jesuits had in common , is they were all keepers of knowledge , knowledge of things ancient and mystic perhaps . even found a couple of more modern keepers of such things in my travels . if you are just using the term as a metaphor then maybe i understand , but i do not believe that every code is the same . sorry just my opinion . here i will leave you with something old and i won't take this one down .

I know, for a fact, that many of you are here for the legitimate reason of exchanging ideas about treasure signs and symbols.  I have received hundreds of e-mails through the years proving this point.
  Then there are some who are here to throw doubt into the mix of truth.  And that is fine.  Let the Kenites have their fun, it WILL be short lived. 
  There is no question about the authenticity of the signs and symbols found in the field. And, if you operate in the same mode that LeVan Martineau operates, then you know that it takes finding the same sign at more than one site, and having that same sign mean the same thing at each site, in order to make it an "official interpretation."  I have done this with more signs that anyone I know.  No brag, just fact.  But there occurs a problem when you get people like swr, who require a historical document that proves that your information is correct.  There is a reason why these "branches" of the illuminati are called secret....it's because they are virtually unheard of...and there are NO documents (maybe a few.. lol) that are exposed to the public.  I really don't mind people like swr...or people like saturna but the fact is this....you either have the eyes to see...or you don't.
  This isn't about appearing on T.V..  As a stuntman I was on t.v. for over ten years, did stunts for some of your most familiar hollywood stars.....big deal!!!!  I do not seek recognition....and if I did, do you think that I would come to this web site full of misfits and malcontents? (this is not aimed at everyone. I know who my students are.)
  My only desire is to help.  That desire has been dampened by those that I know are here to cloudy the waters of truth.
  One of my biggest problems is within my own family.  My brother Steve, who lives in Tucson, I have just recently found out has been, out of jealousy, e-mailing people who are on the treasure hunting web sites telling them a mass of lies concerning my abilities, he even uses my internet name.  But, that is all in a days work when the truth is on your lips.  Satan (saturna) just has a way of doing things like this.  Imagine, your own brother tearing you down with lies, telling malicious stories when he, in fact, is a dead beat dad who is behind in child support to the tune of 400,000 dollars. He has been running from the state of Iowa (but then, who wouldn't run from Iowa?) for decades.  Steve, count your days, they're coming to an end.
  As I said, all in a days work.
  This message will self destruct in 24 hours or less.

If I was TAKING 400,000 dollars from someone, I would think twice before calling someone else a dead beat.

Dont' forget me,  Don stilldign !!!

Now I know you don't give a feather of a fig for what I have to say, but for heavens sake give it a break. I don't know who the joke is on but this topic is nothing more than a psychology project; I'm one of the suckers. What the heck does child support and 'don't forget me, etc" have to do with the topic? You guys have most certainly lost track of where you're at. DIGN: Bow out gracefully or mark the topic as 'SOLVED'. As for the rest of you......get a life. Some advice, join forum Tnet.  I hear they are looking for people with knowledge to SHARE on "treasure signs and symbols". If you fit the bill, steer this way. Enrollment: FREE WILL. NO DEGREE OR QUALIFICATION NECESSARY. People come and go - that's, life.  If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.

" Knowledge is like manure....unless spread its worth $#!+."

If I've made an enemy out there..... what the heck, can't win them all.

Get back to the program and channel your energies positively for in the meantime your students are creating mayhem in the classroom.

                                        There are no bad students, just awful teachers so, lead by example!!!!!





 

Yes, I know this is an old thread, but what was the purpose of all the jibber jabber???

way ahead of ya , i started a facebook page titled kiddrock33 all are invited to join matty

Yes, I know this is an old thread, but what was the purpase of all the jibber jabber???

It's hard to make sense now because of all the deleted/modified posts, but basically the original poster wanted a place where the faithful can follow on his every word, and he could delete anyone who questioned him. You know, standard cult leader stuff.

If he asks you to drink Kool-aid, SAY NO !!