Question for all the folks who are keepin up with the gun laws

 With all of these laws/bans or whatever else is goin' on, as I haven't really been keepin up as much as I should. I used to own an arsenal of all types of guns but had to sell all of them at different times due to finances. So I haven't owned any guns for about 15 years now.

 Well my question is this, with all of the laws goin on is it mainly on pistols and/or assault rifles or even semi autos ? I am curious if they are targeting stuff such as huntin' rifles like maybe a 30/30 or even a 22 rifle ?

 So if I go down to the store and try and purchace a 30/30 will I have to be fingerprinted and do the background check ? What about a simple 22 rifle ? I mean all I wanna do is hunt varmints with it, so's I can cook up some dinner !!!

i have no weapons 

For most firearms purchases you will have to fill out a two page form and the seller will call your information in for an instant background check. If they find you to be an upstanding citizen you may take the firearm home unless your state has a waiting period. If you want to purchase a assault rifle (an assault firearm is fully automatic ) then you will need to do a lot more paperwork and fingerprints. Laws vary from state to state so check with your local retailer. Jim

Definitely a background check. A background check is mandatory even when picking up a gun from pawn, no matter how long you've owned it, or how many times you've pawned it. That's the way it is here anyway.

normal "modern" type guns -- like a pump shotgun , bolt action rifle or pistol ( semi auto or revolver) --( from 22 cal on up) will require at the least a full background check and a 2 page form to be filled out * local laws may add to it a bit * or ban hand guns -- like chicago and new york without "special" permits --which are next to impossible to get.

there is a 3 day waiting period as well --to stop folks that come home finding the wife with a guy or vis virsa and going to get a gun and shoot em in a "fit of passion"

 buy a gun after a 3 day wait and do it --its pre meditated * you fry that simple.

a "semi auto" weapon means 1 trigger pull equals 1 bullet shot ,it "automatically" reloadeds it self as long as ammo is availble but 1 tigger pull equals just 1 shot fired.

a total fully auto weapon  ( a true "machine gun" )--- meaning one trigger pull shoots more than one shot --pumping out bullets as out as long as its trigger is held down till it runs out of ammo -- those require a "special licence" with very very strict background clearance and storeage ability as it always has

Exactly. The NIICS check is nearly instantaneous. Still, keeping track is never a bad thing. As part of my C&R license I have to keep a log of all guns I buy and sell, and who I sell them to, as the ATF may audit me one of these days. It is meant to keep guns from those who should  not have them.

I 'm not against "checks at the time of sale" to prevent nuts from getting guns but records kept after "the sale" can be used later on to "gather up" arms at a later date -- that type info in the wrong hands can be used in a fashion like the nazis did --hilter ranted long ago --today germany is the first country with "total gun registation" -- only those with illegal crimes in mind need to fear registering their guns -- law abiding folks have nothing to fear --those "registation list" were later used to disarm the general german population later as they went door to door taking arms -- thus making them helpless to fight back once they figgered out that a insane monster had seized power and was driving the country to war and ruin.

I 'm not against "checks at the time of sale" to prevent nuts from getting guns but records kept after "the sale" can be used later on to "gather up" arms at a later date -- that type info in the wrong hands can be used in a fashion like the nazis did --hilter ranted long ago --today germany is the first country with "total gun registation" -- only those with illegal crimes in mind need to fear registering their guns -- law abiding folks have nothing to fear --those "registation list" were later used to disarm the general german population later as they went door to door taking arms -- thus making them helpless to fight back once they figgered out that a insane monster had seized power and was driving the country to war and ruin.

I think that  a post apocalyptic world will be pre-industrial so all the data stored about folks in data-banks  will be lost.

whos saying anything about a post nuke war "apocalyptic" world ? --  theres lots of power hungry "grubbermints" out there these days ---thru out our worlds history,  its been clearly shown time and again that "dictators and repressive govts" like unarmed slaves to control -- since its so much easier that way * --no pesky armed resistance to have to suppress.

mcgearhead - I'm sure the state of Georgia has a website. Look on their site for the Department of Public Safety (DPS). Georgia's gun laws should be found in the DPS area. Since you are talking a long arm (rifle, shotgun) and not a handgun you may be able to do a "face to face" transaction, meaning you could buy from a private person without filling out form 4473 etc which would be required from a FFL holder.

I'm not up on Georgia law and don't want to misinform you so please check your laws. I don't have the time right now to look it up myself.

Morning,

I will throw one point in here that bears watching.  The media has been waging a not to covert war against gun ownership in this country for years.  One of the tools they are using now is trying to equate "assault weapons" with automatic weapons.  

There is a HUGE difference between a semiautomatic weapon and a fully automatic one, yet the media makes no such distinction.  They bandy the word "automatic" weapons and assault weapons all the time.  Truly to the antigun crowd every weapon that will shoot more than once is an "assault" weapon and all are bad regardless caliber or rapidity of firing.  

Heaping more legislation isn't likely to accomplish much in removing truly automatic weapons from the public as they have been illegal for a very long time already.  So watch as the media talks about one type of weapon while showing video of fully automatic military style weaponry.  They dupe the public into believing all weapons are bad by showcasing things that are illegal anyhow and certainly not mainstream.  Kinda like watching the hype surrounding the healthcare scam bill now, tell them anything enough times and they will believe it.

The licensing process to possess a fully automatic weapon is huge and allows for inspections by agents at THEIR discretion.   Its also an expensive prospect.

Atlantis

AA mi buddy:  You posted -->

"i have no weapons"
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Hmm,  I sleep with a pistol down by my hip under the covers.  This habit has kept me alive and here to bug you  snicker.

Under  a pillow is not the way to go.

Don Jose de La Mancha

 note ---the hilter "brain washing method"  worked via "the big lie" ( never lie small make it so large folks will not nibble at the edges but swallow your lies whole and intact and  be sure to repeat it, repeat it, and then repeat it some more over and over again --till their minds become muddled and they do not know what to believe anymore -- beat into their brains by pounding them to death with it until folks finally "believe" whatever your telling them is true.---it must be true since they have heard it like a million times they will think --- harshly punish any who question the "party line" and whats being spewed out.

Mac,

If you don't want the hassle of paperwork and background checks...buy your .22 cal rifle from an individual.
Then go make some varmint's day.

TW

 This is exactly what I am gonna be doin' !!!!  I mean I'm not a criminal and never plan on bein' one, but I will be honest with ya. I don't want no type of a paper trail ! If and this is a big if they do decide one day to confiscate weapons I want no trail leadin' to my door !!! Some will say that it will never happen here, I bet that's probably what folks were sayin some 80 years ago on the other side of the world !!

If the government has the right to bear arms, then so should I !!!!!

You can buy guns from private citizens. Long guns, anyway, and as long as they are  not something like a full auto, you will be fine. I buy a lot of guns from private citizens. Cheaper and easier that way. However, I keep my own records in case one of the guns has ever been used in a crime. I also run serial number checks, etc on handguns bought in this way to double check. Hit up garage sales and check the paper and you should be good to go. .22s are going fairly reasonable right now. I just bought a Remington Nylon for under a hundred dollars.

i have no weapons 

Smart answer

Same here 

Who else here lost all their guns in a boating accident?   

i have no weapons  

Frank may be on to something...do you REALLY need a gun and bullets to survive?
My goodness, if you do you are lost!
The most important thing to possess is wisdom and knowledge!. OK, I'll give you that for the first couple of months it'll be nice to have guns, but after that? Are you going to spend all of your time gathering food or guns and ammo? Hmmm...
 Me? I'll just hang, and wait out all of the "gun nutz"; then the playing field will turn drastically in my favor. Dig?
What? Gun laws? Registrations? Paperwork? Oh...shoot. Thought I was replying about something else. Sorry....

Scott

What are you talking about?

Who, me?
Well, um, I um, well, you know...maybe survival?
Yeah...that's what i mean...
Scott

Hmm,  I sleep with a pistol down by my hip under the covers.  This habit has kept me alive and here to bug you  snicker.

Don Jose de La Mancha

How many times did you have to use this pistol in bed to fight off an attacker?  What kind of neighborhood do you live in? 

i have no weapons 

Frank may be on to something...do you REALLY need a gun and bullets to survive?
My goodness, if you do you are lost!
The most important thing to possess is wisdom and knowledge!. OK, I'll give you that for the first couple of months it'll be nice to have guns, but after that? Are you going to spend all of your time gathering food or guns and ammo? Hmmm...
 Me? I'll just hang, and wait out all of the "gun nutz"; then the playing field will turn drastically in my favor. Dig?
What? Gun laws? Registrations? Paperwork? Oh...shoot. Thought I was replying about something else. Sorry....

Scott

Who, me?
Well, um, I um, well, you know...maybe survival?
Yeah...that's what i mean...
Scott

 And you're gonna eat what exactly, while waiting for guns to drop?  

 IF (big IF) the crap ever hits the fan, you won't find me near a town. I got a funny feeling the warm fuzzy people will not be so warm and fuzzy after a week of no food.

 I like my venison medium well thx. And rabbit slow cooked. And pheasant and quail also. Nummy nummy!

 Best bet is to have ya a gun so you can feed yourself, minimum. If ya got kids and a wife, no gun is just plain dumb if you ever have to survive on your own.

Hmm,  I sleep with a pistol down by my hip under the covers.  This habit has kept me alive and here to bug you  snicker.

Don Jose de La Mancha

How many times did you have to use this pistol in bed to fight off an attacker?  What kind of neighborhood do you live in?  

An what was her name, Jose?    

Ladies & Gentlemen:  About sleeping with a pistol,  you seem to forget that I have been active in exploring around the Pacific basin, From the Gobi, China, the Yucatan / Quintana Roo/Honduras jungles  and the still wild, lawless, North Western Mexican Canyon country, where i presently operate..  Sleeping with a pistol has become a habit with me.

Sometimes being able to subtly reach for, then present a pistol unexpectedly, has calmed things down.

So far I haven't had to scare any females off.  sniff shucks.

As for the preset, I live in Mexico in the heart of one of the Narcotic districts.  However only two Americans have been killed, in all cases asking for it, but robberies are on the up take. They have been well trained in the streets of the  US.

As for me today, If I were to wake up some night to see a 6 ft, 190 #  young, sadistic, robber looking at me,  just what chance would I, an 86 year old, with a loused up right shoulder,  stand? Those days when I would have had no problem are gone

I firmly believe in that old engraving that I saw on a Colt Single action grip once.-->

"Be not afraid of any man, no matter what his size, just call upon me, and I will equalize".

That is why the  good LORD invented pistols  heheheh

Go to -->  www.explorers.org

Don Jose de La Mancha

 (who still hopes to wake up some night to see a comely 'female' trying to rape him)

  Fixin' to need to update that explorer's club card !!!!

Si senor Mcgearhead: Yearly dues in Dec.  You wouldn't by any chance know of any comely females that would like to   errr,  ah, um,  well you know.   sheesh  blushing.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Si senor Mcgearhead: Yearly dues in Dec.  You wouldn't by any chance know of any comely females that would like to   errr,  ah, um,  well you know.   sheesh  blushing.

Don Jose de La Mancha

sir it could be worse you could live in fresno 

HI AA: Actually I was born in Calif., 3rd gen. and have lived in Fresno.  From Chico/ Redding down to San Diego,  north to Crescent city.  My last home in Calif. was at our vineyard between Rutherford and St Helena, next to Luis Martini.  See picture.

I also worked as a correction officer at San Quintin in the west & East blocks while going to college.  Yes AA, I know Calif. heheeh

However, I am now an Arizonan citizen, living in Old Mexico.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Lost all My guns in Katrina. So i dont know

With all of these laws/bans or whatever else is goin' on, as I haven't really been keepin up as much as I should. I used to own an arsenal of all types of guns but had to sell all of them at different times due to finances. So I haven't owned any guns for about 15 years now.

 Well my question is this, with all of the laws goin on is it mainly on pistols and/or assault rifles or even semi autos ? I am curious if they are targeting stuff such as huntin' rifles like maybe a 30/30 or even a 22 rifle ?

 So if I go down to the store and try and purchace a 30/30 will I have to be fingerprinted and do the background check ? What about a simple 22 rifle ? I mean all I wanna do is hunt varmints with it, so's I can cook up some dinner !!!

They are targeting all weapons that use center fire cartridges. IMO the last weapons and ammo to be allowed to the citizens of this country will be .22 cal and .410 shotguns. For that reason i don't waste my money buying anything else. High caliber weapons will be free on all the battlegrounds as will be the ammo for them. The Paki UN troops will donate everything i need when the time comes. As to laws - you will be required to follow all federal laws and any state laws that apply to your state. You will not be permitted to purchase any working firearm from a dealer or auction without filling out forms. You may be able to purchase weapons at a bar without permits but be advised that you and the seller are both breaking the law and are subject to felony prosecution. Use of a strawman to purchase for you is also a felony although many folks these days have grand parents who have developed a sudden urge to collect weapons. They do this on the theory that when the gun grabbers show up they will either be dead or able to claim that they have alzheimers and have forgotten where they got rid of the guns. David Koresh and 80+ Branch Davidians were murdered because he legally purchased a weapon from a person who was not licensed to sell it to him. THe ATF take those laws to extremes. siegfried schlagrule

find a slowly dying old man that owns guns and ammo -- buy said guns and ammo from him --get a signed reciept for it ( that way if caught with it later on  they can not say you stole it)-- having a bill of sale shows where you "legally" got it . --  however get put the "reciept away in a safe place" and do not report the buy in any way --- you know have a "legal" owned --unregistered weapon -- hide it well -- when the gun grabbers come they will not know of it-- since it doesn't exist in their "data base"  -- remember "they" only know what you tell them --never forget that .

the old school rules #1 --never admit to nothing -- #2 make them find out stuff on their own -- (ie keep your trap shut - lawyer up right away) #3 if caught on a beef --you do your own time for your crime --no cutting a deal and ratting on others . (this keeps "them" in the dark info wize --by not feeding them info -- once fed info they get the next guy and more deals are struck right on down the line --by doing your time --the chain "breaks")

Oh what guns ? I sold them things years ago. Paperwork ? What do ya mean ? He gave me my money, and I gave him his gun.

 When I do start my personal buyin' of said guns, and they one day decide to confiscate said guns, this will be the story. Besides, the only thing that I will be purchasing will be like I metioned before a 22 rifle, a shot gun or two, and possibly a 30/30 or something similar.

 I will not be buyin' these new. I will however buy from friends and or family.

David Koresh and 80+ Branch Davidians were murdered because he legally purchased a weapon from a person who was not licensed to sell it to him. THe ATF take those laws to extremes. siegfried schlagrule

The Davidians did choose to stay with their child rapist cult leader instead of leaving.

David Koresh and 80+ Branch Davidians were murdered because he legally purchased a weapon from a person who was not licensed to sell it to him. THe ATF take those laws to extremes. siegfried schlagrule

The Davidians did choose to stay with their child rapist cult leader instead of leaving.

There's two different stories of who shot first. Since only one side is left alive to tell the story, I guess we'll just accept their story?

History = The winner's story. Truth ain't got nothing to do with it.

"Believe nothing that you hear, and only half of what you see." --- Good advice when you are listening to the government.

There is one glaring point here everyone seems to be missing: The staggeringly dangerous and complicated logistics of confiscating all legal guns in this country.

Who would do it? How would they do it? I know the typical paranoid response is "well, they use the registrations as a list, and go house to house...."

Seriously, gentlemen (and ladies) think about how that would go down. The Army and Marines are not going to do it. I have this on a great deal of personally gathered anectdotal evidence. The ones who own guns will not on principal, and the ones who do not own guns will not because of fear of getting their butts blown off, and out of respect for the US Constitution.

Buy guns legally. There are paperless ways to buy guns legally, and I do it all the time without receipts. Check your state laws, and your mileage may vary.

good afternoon Saturna:  I posted this on another thread. But it is applicable to your question as to what kind of a neighborhood do I live in.  Not boreing I assure you, but fun.  sigh
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Beth, once when I was up at the Colorados, the spine of the sierras between Sinaloa and Durango, helping my friend start up his mine.   La  Bert and I went for a short drive to check on the status of one of the trucks that had thrown a rock through its radiator.

This area is perhaps 6 -8000 ft with a 75 - 80 degree drop off giving a fantastic view to the west of some 900 sq miles. On the way back as we passed a clear area to the west, we decided to take some pictures of the view.

A short walk through the pines brought us to a knoll.  The knoll was surrounded by a triple barbed wire fence.  I assumed that someone was going to construct a home there.  Inside of the fence, the grass was growing nicely, it was perhaps 2 - 3" high.  

So, to take a short cut, I crawled through the fence and cut across the small field, Bert followed me.  We admired the view for a while, then crossed the grassy area again going back to the car.  Bert suddenly stopped and in a hushed voice said "Jo, aren't these the  same plants that you showed me before"?  I looked closer and sure enough, we had been tromping down some pore enterprising guy's lil Opium poppies.  

I imagine that the owner was sitting out in the brush with a disgusted look, watching us through his binoculars.  Fortunately they all knew us because of the mine and didn't shoot..

Incidentally, whenever the soldiers came up on a drug bust, we / they always knew a few days ahead of time and we had between 10 - 20 free laborers working for us.  hehehe

How else to explain a new Bronco, gold watches, and chains etc while living in a one room thatched hut with perhaps a lonely pig  and a few chickens wandering in and out.

You will be up there some day soon Beth, I'll also show you where we were under siege by bandits for a few days. Actually I was only shot at once.

Don Jose de La Mancha
 

Guns....

Czech: You posted "Guns" in what can be supposed is in a derogatory manner, especially considering your other post in the Walmart series.

Always remember that Guns gave the Republic back it's freedom from the benevolent Third Reich.  They are the only reason you still have it, or may keep it.

As for the people that used them and died freeing your Republic, just give thanks that they had learned how to use them fairly effectively, and wish that they had had more training as children so that less of them would have died..

Don Jose de La Mancha

Czech doesn't like guns and that's fine.  I carried one at work for several years and I sure didn't like them in the hands of the other guys.  Real de Tayopa practices one of the basic rules of survival: 'It is better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it'.  To avoid the gun checks, buy black powder.  Little slower, but it'll work.  The gun death toll in America would be higher, but fortunately the bad guys are notoriously bad shots.  Take away all the guns; and they'll pick up rocks and sticks.  I don't particularly believe it's my right to own a gun, but if I want one, I'll have one.

With all of these laws/bans or whatever else is goin' on, as I haven't really been keepin up as much as I should. I used to own an arsenal of all types of guns but had to sell all of them at different times due to finances. So I haven't owned any guns for about 15 years now.

Never ever, ever, refer to your firearms collection as an "arsenal". This is a weasel word used by the mainstream media to 'demonize' gun collectors. In Canada, Liberal newspapers like the Toronto (red) Star consistently refer to any number of firearms from a collection found in a home as a arsenal, and they usually report more than a thousand rounds of ammunition was also confiscated i.e. 3 bricks of .22's ..  Don't ever use the weasel word speak of the media.. Here's a complete idiots guide for budding liberal reporters, and a reference for the rest of us.. If you read the mainstream media, most of this will look VERY familiar to you..
http://www.geocities.com/Liberalgunfarce/GunGuide.html

http://www.geocities.com/Liberalgunfarce/GunGuide.html

Don't forget, Yahoo bought Geocities awhile back and they are going to be shutting down ALL geocities sites today due to ongoing costs.

AA mi buddy:  You posted -->

"i have no weapons"
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Hmm,  I sleep with a pistol down by my hip under the covers.  This habit has kept me alive and here to bug you  snicker.

Under  a pillow is not the way to go.

Don Jose de La Mancha

And we are all so lucky that you had your little friend with you.  I for one always enjoy your posts.  Thank you for having your own back!!!

I grew up around a shooting and hunting family.  I carried a sidearm nearly every day for over 21 years until it felt like a part of me.  Now I am retired and I don't carry all the time.  But when I get out of my car to go to a movie and don't have it I feel naked and vulnerable. I have never shot anyone, never shot at anyone and hope I never do.  But if the need arises I will shoot as I have been trained to do.  And if and when I do it  will be a righteous shooting and I won't feel a bit guilty about silencing some scumbag that tried to harm me or my family.  Monty

I just bought a 22 semi-auto rifle, Marlin model 60, from a gunshop here in Calif. It is used but in like new condition and it holds 18 rounds compared to the 14 rounds that newer models now hold.  I had to go through the 10-day waiting period for it. I got it mainly for plinking and teaching youngins how to shoot. I don't like the idea of my grandkids having to actually fight for this country but, should they have to, at least shooting won't be a skill that they only have a few weeks to learn in bootcamp. Also, I'm not a dyed-in-the-wool "survivalist" but, I think the 22 is one of the best guns to have should you need to "live off the land". Used properly it can bring down about any game in N. America. The shells are VERY cheap compared the larger calibers (just bought some 550-round boxes from Walmart for just over $16 box) and they are much quieter than larger calibers. There are also some subsonic .22 rounds that are MUCH quieter than the standard .22 long rifle round. If used to gather food, these rounds scare less game and draw less attention.  The good thing is they are still available in Calif. but who knows for how long? There is a 410 gauge revolver available on the market now (the Judge) but it is already outlawed in Calif. Maybe gun ownership isn't considered a "right" by  you RGINN but, what do you call it when citizens of one state can have one type of gun and citizens of another state cannot? Aren't we all under the same constitution? Like I've stated before, this state is just crawling with liberals. The only thing they want you to kill for yourself are your unborn children; leave the birdies, the bunnies and the Bambis alone!!

Guns laws are as variable as the grains of sand on the seashore.  Dang!  That sounds deep!  Anyway, every Stte has different gun laws and even different towns and cities in that state may be slightly different.  Unfortunately it is your responsibility to find out what they are as they won't come and tell you. A little time at a local law library or maybe the local library if they have a law section for you to use may save you a lot of grief.  Also check with the local law enforcement people.  Check with the training section as they will have the latest information.  I have a C&R license and I receive a nicely printed copy of all the newest federal firearm laws and changes every year.  It's like the health care bill before the congress right now, too darn many pages to read and understand!  Monty

I got your point, packerbacker.  I should have put quotes around "right".  By 'right', I'm referring to something the government regulates.  I'm not a convicted felon, so the government doesn't need to step in and give me, or you, or residents of any state the 'right' to own a gun if we want one, or don't want one.  I should have clarified that.  By the way, that Marlin you got is a very good gun, and you will find a Marlin takes a very fine bead, but it's dead on.

http://www.geocities.com/Liberalgunfarce/GunGuide.html

Don't forget, Yahoo bought Geocities awhile back and they are going to be shutting down ALL geocities sites today due to ongoing costs.

Ya, they were a little late shutting down the site, but it's gone now.. I have all the backup files, and will re[- install it on my own server over the next while.. By the way, our parliament just had a vote on our stupid liberal gun registry, and the vote was to shut it down. It ain't carved in stone yet, still has a committee to pass, and then a trip through the senate before third an final reading then royal assent, but the general consensus is "it's dead Jim".  In all probability it will be gone in the new year. That by the way, is 2 BILLION (yup BILLION to register only 1/3 of the guns in Canada) dollars, the long suffering taxpayers of Canada will never see again. It will also provide ammunition for Americans to fight the morons in the U.S. that think 'gun registries' are a good idea, even though there is not a country on the face of the entire planet where one has actually reduced crime. It usually increases it.  But then again, gun control is usually just a case of the blind leading the stupid!

Guns, what guns? Register.....hmmmmm

Guns laws are as variable as the grains of sand on the seashore.  Dang!  That sounds deep!  Anyway, every Stte has different gun laws and even different towns and cities in that state may be slightly different.  Unfortunately it is your responsibility to find out what they are as they won't come and tell you. A little time at a local law library or maybe the local library if they have a law section for you to use may save you a lot of grief.  Also check with the local law enforcement people.  Check with the training section as they will have the latest information.  I have a C&R license and I receive a nicely printed copy of all the newest federal firearm laws and changes every year.  It's like the health care bill before the congress right now, too darn many pages to read and understand!  Monty

I need to renew my C&R.

 I have never understood the reasoning that a mentally ill person or even a .felon be deprived of the right to defend their life an  familys from other mentally ill or felons how does anyone explain their right tokeep anyone from THE RIGHT TO DEFEND THEIR SELVES AND FAMILIES

END CLINTON-ERA MILITARY BASE GUN BAN
Time after time, public murder sprees occur in "gun-free zones" -- public places where citizens are not legally able to carry guns.  The list is long, including massacres at Virginia Tech and Columbine High School along with many less deadly attacks.  Last week's slaughter at Fort Hood Army base in Texas was no different -- except that one man bears responsibility for the ugly reality that the men and women charged with defending America were deliberately left defenseless when a terrorist opened fire, says the Washington Times.

Among President Bill Clinton's (D-Ark.) first acts upon taking office in 1993 was to disarm U.S. soldiers on military bases:

•In March 1993, the Army imposed regulations forbidding military personnel from carrying their personal firearms and making it almost impossible for commanders to issue firearms to soldiers in the United States for personal protection.
•For the most part, only military police regularly carry firearms on base, and their presence is stretched thin by high demand for MPs in war zones.
Because of President Clinton, terrorists would face more return fire if they attacked a Texas Wal-Mart than the gunman faced at Fort Hood, home of the heavily armed and feared 1st Cavalry Division.  That's why a civilian policewoman from off base was the one whose marksmanship ended Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's rampage, says the Times.

Everyone wants to keep people safe -- and no one denies President Clinton's good intentions.  The problem is that law-abiding good citizens, not criminals, are the ones who obey those laws.  Bans end up disarming potential victims and not criminals.  Rather than making places safe for victims, we unintentionally make them safe for the criminal -- or in this case, the terrorist, says the Times.

Source: Editorial, "End Clinton-era Military Base Gun Ban," Washington Times, November 11, 2009.

For text:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/nov/11/end-clinton-era-military-base-gun-ban/

David Koresh and 80+ Branch Davidians were murdered because he legally purchased a weapon from a person who was not licensed to sell it to him. THe ATF take those laws to extremes. siegfried schlagrule

The Davidians did choose to stay with their child rapist cult leader instead of leaving.

He wasn't the first man to be accused of things by his ex-wife BUT he may be the first man to be tried for an offense, found innocent and then executed anyway. siegfried schlagrule

David Koresh and 80+ Branch Davidians were murdered because he legally purchased a weapon from a person who was not licensed to sell it to him. THe ATF take those laws to extremes. siegfried schlagrule

The Davidians did choose to stay with their child rapist cult leader instead of leaving.

He wasn't the first man to be accused of things by his ex-wife BUT he may be the first man to be tried for an offense, found innocent and then executed anyway. siegfried schlagrule

Actually, he admitted it himself on videotape. There is a tape of him showing off his children and the women he fathered them with. I recall watching it on a recent History Channel show. The mothers were in the cult so they did not come forward and press charges, but they were in fact underage.

The government intended to destroy that commune.  David Koresh walked the streets of Waco EVERYDAY.  He had a corvette restoration business in town and also went to the same cafe for coffee every morning, so the FBI could have walked up to him ANYDAY and served him with papers.  They not only DID NOT do that, but they practiced their SWAT techniques in a field outside of town in plain sight.  It became a local joke about what the Feds were doing.  Local folks, especially nosey teenagers, would stand around watching the "practice" and shout wisecracks to them.

When the Government troops attacked the compound, some of their own SWAT folks shot through that upper level with armour piercing rifle rounds that took out their own team members on the ladders on the opposite side of the building.  You could see those rounds being fired and busting through the walls and hitting the troops.  The big lie was that those cult members were firing those rounds.......Bullsh--. 

You really cannot go wrong with three of each type of gun and 100,000 cans of Dinty Moore beef stew.

And don't forget to put your 8-track player in the bomb shelter so you will have some "dancin' Muzak"!

Sorry, just found this post, but, the easiest route is to apply for a hidden carry permit. (and get it).

They will do the background check, issue the carrying permit, and since I got mine, quite a few years ago, I have never had to wait to buy one single thing - not a pistol, not a rifle, from anywhere. (course, I never tried DC or NYC)

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Sorry, just found this post, but, the easiest route is to apply for a hidden carry permit. (and get it).

They will do the background check, issue the carrying permit, and since I got mine, quite a few years ago, I have never had to wait to buy one single thing - not a pistol, not a rifle, from anywhere. (course, I never tried DC or NYC)
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Mrs. O, that's how it is here in Mississippi.  If you have a current license, the dealer can take your info from it and you don't have to go through the waiting period.  I just renewed for the second time, and $110 for 5 more years ain't bad insurance.  Get caught with a concealled weapon without that license, it's a felony charge.......which would mean you couldn't legally own a gun after that.   

 

Officer Friendly always wants to know if you have any weapons in your car or on your person and when you say "Only me." they really don't know what to make of you. I quit saying that when they went to color code threat assessments and vacations in GITMO. siegfried schlagrule

Officer Friendly always wants to know if you have any weapons in your car or on your person and when you say "Only me." they really don't know what to make of you. I quit saying that when they went to color code threat assessments and vacations in GITMO. siegfried schlagrule

Sassing the officer is the way to go.

Or else, when they say" do you know why I pulled you over?", you can say "yeah, because I was speeding, dummy."

This is sage advice, Siggy. Are you back on the wagon?

Are you sure you didn't really stop saying that after a cop pulled you through the window of your car and tasered you right there on the tarmac?

They didn't have tasers back when i was mouthing off. Never been
much of a drinker but always been a smartass. siegfried schlagrule

They didn't have tasers back when i was mouthing off. Never been
much of a drinker but always been a smartass. siegfried schlagrule

I hear you, brother. Except for the "glue sniffing" part. I never tried that.

 

Yes, the 50's and 60's (and 70's) were fun.  I think those generational folks (like me, too) had that sarcastic type of personalities - but not out of meaness,  we kind of thought it was fun - like drag racing!

Never tried that glue thing - even putting together models would make me nauseous, but, me and most of my friends had the "smart-arse" sayings, too.

The "where's the fire", quite often got a "you mean you don't know either?" remark, but, I don't think cops hid behind their guns back then, either.  It's a personality trait that makes someone hide behind a taser gun - it says that they are not capable of handling the situation.  They  need to spend a few months working in a maximum security prison, where corrections officers work with "convicted" murderers, no doubt about their guilt - and they do it without guns, (all guns are locked up)  without tasers, with just a billy club that has some mace in it, in case of an emergency.  All this in a facility where, unlike what some people think, prisoners are locked in the prison (well, most are), but they are not locked into cells 24/7 - they are in the laundry, on the phone, in the hallways, in the woodshops, in the weight rooms, in the day rooms, in the cafeteria (with 6 officers per 900+ inmates, during meals).  Corrections officers manage to contain all these things and places, without killing people. (and, like I said, convicted people, not suspects). 

Maybe they would learn some "people skills", and learn how to handle a 200 pound man - or a 14 year old kid.  You can control a person without killing them - or tasing them.  Most tasings are nothing but a "power trip", which is why I hate to watch "Cops" - what they think is proper is nothing but "I'm better than you" - when some cops are no more than public servants who can get away with murder. Suspects are "presumed guilty", and the cops are judge, jury and executioner.

Of course, there are good cops - but, like most things, the bad apples can make it bad for the whole bunch - someone who may not have run, will run, just because of perceiving the police as being more dangerous than any other option.


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Evening  Beth:  If you remember, I worked at San Quintin, Calif, a max security prison while going to school.  we carried nothing on the ground except a whistle.  Any sort of an arm was considered as being easily, and  readily used against you.

Actually arms would be useless in any event.  As an example, twice they tried to get me before the con-- err inmates themselves said 'hands off'

Once, I was standing just outside of the balcony area talking to an inmate in his cell.  I decided to move in closer to hear what he was saying, and just as I moved, a 100# iron  laundry cart landed exactly where I was standing.

When I looked up there was the inmate in charge of changing laundry on the third level looking down with a big grin, which instantly faded when he saw me still standing.

What can one say? So  I merely smiled up at him and said" you are a lousy shot, now come on down here and clean up this mess".  The con-- err inmates loved it, and I became a sort of hero.

So Beth,  you see the floor Officer is weaponless, and to a point, helpless..

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. I was later fired, err ah asked to resign under protest,  for butting heads with the Warden,  but that is another story, sigh. 

who wants guns without ammo????oh yeah what is that stuff they are putting in the ammo so it only last so long ??opps.

I 'm not against "checks at the time of sale" to prevent nuts from getting guns but records kept after "the sale" can be used later on to "gather up" arms at a later date -- that type info in the wrong hands can be used in a fashion like the nazis did --hilter ranted long ago --today germany is the first country with "total gun registation" -- only those with illegal crimes in mind need to fear registering their guns -- law abiding folks have nothing to fear --those "registation list" were later used to disarm the general german population later as they went door to door taking arms -- thus making them helpless to fight back once they figgered out that a insane monster had seized power and was driving the country to war and ruin.

Ivan, my opinion of you just shot up tenfold..

This is exactly what I was going to post. Almost verbatim.

Jose,

I know of what you (and I) speak.

Don't know if you know, but Roy was a corrections officer in a maximum security prison in Virginia (Powhatan).  They carried exactly what I said, a baton, with a little button in the handle that could spray a substance. (and his whistle, too). (Heavy little suckers too - they will break someone's toe if dropped accidentally.    And they can break an arm in a flash.

But, the same reason as you give - any weapon can be used against you, so its not done.

During visitors days in the yard, they did have officers with shotguns on the perimeters.

All guns were indeed locked up in that special weapons room (cage).

Got to watch those laundry carts - they are good for more than throwing and slamming - inmates LOVE to make their escapes through the laundry carts. (they go out on a truck from the prison).


The point was, of course, that correction officers can handle - is taught to handle - situations that would make a lot of todays police pee their pants - or taze or shoot  a suspect.  And, if you were a corrections officer, you know what kind of people are really in those maximum security prisons.

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There was a cop (he's been nicknamed Spray n Pray Barney) in London Ontario that fired 19 shots at a unarmed fleeing man. The cop said he saw the man aim a weapon at him, but no gun was found and no shots were fired at the cop. The man who no doubt has stains in his pants, was convinced the cop was trying to kill him. He gave himself up after bullets hit brick walls, houses, windows, and sheds..

http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2009/08/20/10533006-sun.html

If this was a ordinary guy who fired that many shots around a neighborhood, even to save his own family, he'd be sitting in jail right now on a reckless endangerment charge..