Heracles or Apollo?

 

Hello friends ..... a rainy day but today and found the best treasure of my life, a Hellenistic sculpture of 400-300 BC.
I found a pre-Roman city unknown, is of Greek origin but I'm not sure if this is the God Hercules or Apollo.
A greeting!

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I assure you that this is one of the few Hellenistic sculptures were brought from Greece to the western Hellenistic sea. Greek world is more remote place in Greece including the Greek cities Emporion and Massalia.
greetings!

Stunning...BANNER

SS

The young face appears god Apollo  .. but the cloak hanging from left arm is typical of the sculptures of the god Heracles, I am somewhat surprised by the emotion of the moment, today and found the best of my life in a very strong raining day and an unknown area for me and everyone.
Greetings!

Very cool that you were of mind to be able to Photograph the extraction.  I'm not sure I could be that patient.

Jeff

The young face appears god Apollo  .. but the cloak hanging from left arm is typical of the sculptures of the god Heracles, I am somewhat surprised by the emotion of the moment, today and found the best of my life in a very strong raining day and an unknown area for me and everyone.
Greetings!

I would be to

My BANNER votes in

SS

BANNER! Congrats!

 

What a fantastic find

I'm voting Banner to!!

What the heck......Man is that something else...WOW   BANNER all the way......Congrats.     jgas

How neat to find something that nice and so old.  Must have been quite a thrill once you "figured" out what you had.  Always enjoy your pics of your finds.

Re: Heracles or Apollo?  I'd name him Dick

JRich

     Absolutely great Congrats on such a unique and rare find.

HH Charlie

 

Congratulations on a speedy trip upstairs

SS

This has to be one of the coolest finds I have ever seen!
Big congrats!

Now that is a banner find if I ever saw one!

Congrats!

WOW Congrats on the Banner Sculpture 

Do you get to keep a find like that?

Fantastic find.   

Awesome!! Banner!

Coolest thing ever! Be proud!

Wow!!!!  Amazing find!!!

Yep, that's wicked cool.  BANN...oh it's already there!

This find has blown my mind..wow!  I never knew they put private parts on sculptures way back then...

 
 
 
 
Congratulations fantastic find !
Great treasure.
TnMtns

This has to be one of the coolest finds I have ever seen!
Big congrats!

Yes, I have to agree. That is a find of many lifetimes. WOW...

DANGLANGLEY

Amazing find in amazing condition!!

Spectacular find. Are you going to be able to detect the spot more or is it going to be overtaken by the government?

 

congrats on making the banner with that awesome find !!!

Unbelievable! Congrats on finding such an amazing antiquity.
Dave.

Breathtaking Banner find. Unparalleled find by any standard

Wow, That is amazing. Congratulations 

I wonder if there is a chance that the feet may be near by. The area looks like a nice place to take your time searching.

best thing i have seen found metal detecting

Are you going to turn this in as a National Historic Treasure ?
 
 It will be sad if this were to be lost or sold or placed in a garage where no one else
could enjoy it.

This is really not the type of thing that should remain in a private metal detectors collection.
But it is indeed an incredible find.

Are you going to turn this in as a National Historic Treasure ?
 
 It will be sad if this were to be lost or sold or placed in a garage where no one else
could enjoy it.

This is really not the type of thing that should remain in a private metal detectors collection.
But it is indeed an incredible find.

It's in cyberspace forever. OK, It's his best find ever. I'm sure HE will enjoy it for many years. If it was'nt for him, maybe no one would have ever found it.

Great find!
Newt

Hello friends ..... a rainy day but today and found the best treasure of my life, a Hellenistic sculpture of 400-300 BC.
I found a pre-Roman city unknown, is of Greek origin but I'm not sure if this is the God Hercules or Apollo.
A greeting!

Great find, wasnt Persia getting their butts kicked around that time by the Spartans not far away?

Well, what would one want to say other than, WOW!...

Coins are cute, but that is beyond WOW!

Best darn hobby in the world!!!

I will go with Apollo.  What an awesome find!!!  There has to be more finds in the area.  HH, Mike

Cool find, but I have one question:

How does one conclude that they have located a previously unknown Pre-Roman city based on a few finds?  Not trying to be a smarta$$, just curious.  What are the laws pertaining to locating "new" ancient cities?

Unbelievable!

Hercules with lion's pelt and club, I say.

DCMatt

Congrats on a great find and a well deserved spot on the banner!

Thank you very much .... I was working and could not answer ..... and a broad way, I apologize, first of all say that the sculpture appeared on some farmland at this time for cows to graze in summer and wheat in the chemical fertilizer plant waste abrasiveness of the cows had broken bronze figure of about 20 years ..... thank my MXT, grandchildren, our area can admire the sculptures in the Archaeological Museum in my hometown where I assure you that when the day should be over exposed. These finds are not common, is a miracle to find a figure as old, so far from Greece, almost complete and so beautiful.
Yours a friend!  

Very well done and congrats on the best I have seen!! .....Wait a minute.....is that a barber dime in the spoil pile?.lol 

     That is a sick find!  If you like ancient history like I do, You can appreciate a fantastic find like that one!!!   Bronze statue.....Sweet!!!  WTG

This find has blown my mind..wow!  I never knew they put private parts on sculptures way back then...

He must be very cold...give Apollo a blanket!

All i gots ta say is WOW, wow, and WOW...amazing find...

Simply amazing!! WTG on the find of a lifetime.

HH

Beyond words! Huge congrats 

very cool find!!!!!!  i got the chance to hold a Egyptian scarab beetle bead with hieroglyphs on the bottom carved from ivory, and handled a old roman or Greek oil lamp that had a guy doing a gall from behind.. was way cool to touch stuff that old..  keep up the good digs  MR TUFF

Definitely one of the neatest finds I've seen here on Treasurenet, and everyone knows there are AMAZING finds here... just look at the current banner for instance.  Three gold coins - two of them thousands of years old, ridiculously rare buttons, ancient indian artifacts, and now a Greek bronze sculpture that is thousands of years old?  Someone else already said it - "best hobby in the world"

Amazing sculpture. New avatar?

After some research and concluded that it can be a sculpture of three different gods (if I can allude to determine which of the three)  

1- The first in this photograph Apollo of the frieze of the Temple of Zeus at Olympia was very like him.
2- Theseus Athena's brother (all mosaics and sculptures to appear in the cloak over her arm.)
3-The god Heracles ... but I'm not sure.

Thank you all.

Great,great,great find     
Congrats

Fantastic find Constantinus!  It seems as though the downstretched arm held either a spear or a bow. The fact that there is a hole for a supporting pin in the back as well as the front of his fist pretty much eliminates a sword, as the back of the sword's hilt could have been easily cast into the hand.

Assuming he is holding either a bow or a spear, it seems unlikely he would be holding another weapon in his other hand such as a club, as it would have to be pointing forward and upwards, putting the whole sculpure out of balance. My guess is that he is holding a bow in the downward arm and a quiver in the other (with perhaps with a solidly formed group of arrows which have long since broken off.)

Some of your guesses seem to fit, but have you considered also Ares, Teukros, or Dionedes as the subject?  

finds like this are what keep all of us hunting  totally amazing

Fantastic find Constantinus!  It seems as though the downstretched arm held either a spear or a bow. The fact that there is a hole for a supporting pin in the back as well as the front of his fist pretty much eliminates a sword, as the back of the sword's hilt could have been easily cast into the hand.

Assuming he is holding either a bow or a spear, it seems unlikely he would be holding another weapon in his other hand such as a club, as it would have to be pointing forward and upwards, putting the whole sculpure out of balance. My guess is that he is holding a bow in the downward arm and a quiver in the other (with perhaps with a solidly formed group of arrows which have long since broken off.)

Some of your guesses seem to fit, but have you considered also Ares, Teukros, or Dionedes as the subject?  

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Johnnyi Hello! Ares is one of the safest candidates for several reasons, first is that the figure appeared in the Iberian pre-roman city (though Greek influence to have around the city of Emporion) who were very warlike people,  over 50% of Hannibal's soldiers were trying to invade Rome Iberians in my area, for this reason can deal with the god Ares. (a god of war very fair that was adored by the mercenaries)
The second reason is that in the left hand is holding a sword.
But he had discarded for not showing many sculptures and always appears with the helmet, very few thus beces the esculrura only know that I show.
What I do not have very clear is the origin of sculpture is small but could be a  more school of Praxiteles, the classic pose leaning more hip, "Praxitelean curve" makes me swing the source to Athens but the god Ares was not well known in Athens.

Fantastic find Constantinus!  It seems as though the downstretched arm held either a spear or a bow. The fact that there is a hole for a supporting pin in the back as well as the front of his fist pretty much eliminates a sword, as the back of the sword's hilt could have been easily cast into the hand.

Assuming he is holding either a bow or a spear, it seems unlikely he would be holding another weapon in his other hand such as a club, as it would have to be pointing forward and upwards, putting the whole sculpure out of balance. My guess is that he is holding a bow in the downward arm and a quiver in the other (with perhaps with a solidly formed group of arrows which have long since broken off.)

Some of your guesses seem to fit, but have you considered also Ares, Teukros, or Dionedes as the subject?  

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Johnnyi Hello! Ares is one of the safest candidates for several reasons, first is that the figure appeared in the Iberian pre-roman city (though Greek influence to have around the city of Emporion) who were very warlike people,  over 50% of Hannibal's soldiers were trying to invade Rome Iberians in my area, for this reason can deal with the god Ares. (a god of war very fair that was adored by the mercenaries)
The second reason is that in the left hand is holding a sword.
But he had discarded for not showing many sculptures and always appears with the helmet, very few thus beces the esculrura only know that I show.

Constantinus, as I mentioned earlier, the one problem which is hard to overlook concerning the possibility of a sword, is what could have been in the downstretched arm (that extended through the fist on both sides of it)?  We can tell by the way the sculpture is made that on that downstetched arm there was a need for a reenforcing pin. (we know this to be a fact because the hole is much smaller than the diameter of the object he is clenching) What he is holding in that downstretched arm appears to have been round.

I don't think there was a sword for several reasons:

1)The first being that a sword needs a scabbard, and all scabbards we see on these sculpures are flat.
2)A scabbard would not fit the remains held in the downstretched arm either.
3)Beyond these reasons, if in the outside chance he was holding a sword hilt above the cloak where the sword had broken off, such a fragile element of the sculpure would have required a reenforcing pin also, and there is no evidence of one ever being there.

That's why I believe he was holding a bow in his downstretched arm and a quiver in the other. I think all the factors have to come into play here for a possibility to work.

At the moment it is possible an arc of arrows or other objects deemed thinner and a hair cut ..... It seems Apollo. 
Of course it's better that Roman coins found in the same currency puts the name of the emperor.

Constantinus, I think maybe the other way around; a short bow  in (his)  right hand, and a solid group of arrows in the quiver in his left?

That is to friggen cool. This is the best hobby in the world. Look at the history saved.
That is outstanding.

Super find!! BANNER

Man, your finds are truly epic, in the literal sense.  One day you're going to dig up Odysseus, I swear.  What do you do with these finds?  Keep them, or donate them to the local archaeological society?  Or would they just get angry with you and swoop your locations?

Man, your finds are truly epic, in the literal sense.  One day you're going to dig up Odysseus, I swear.  What do you do with these finds?  Keep them, or donate them to the local archaeological society?  Or would they just get angry with you and swoop your locations?

Hello friend .... this figure of Apollo is the best in my collection.
in my country we are passing a very bad time and the ministery of culture not pay even a Euro for it. and if I donate to the museum archaeologists but sure the black market sell  or deposited in a warehouse in a box for 2,400 years more. (here we have no law of treasure).
The strange thing is that I returned to the scene but found nothing more interesting, only lead and  preRomana pottery  ...  the best find in the entire site.
Also I am one of the best people to care for her, is the darling of my collection and belongs to the cultural period that most interests me about my country. 

I show him the latest best pics.  
greetings!

Man, that is the saddest thing!  The museum will lose it in the 'archives', never to be seen again, or sell it to a black market person.. Well, I guess you can say that where you live the history of the people guarded by the people who care about it.  At least we have websites like this one where people like you can anonymously share these finds with the world without risk, so everyone can see them.  Thanks again for sharing the cool stuff you find.

Man, that is the saddest thing!  The museum will lose it in the 'archives', never to be seen again, or sell it to a black market person.. Well, I guess you can say that where you live the history of the people guarded by the people who care about it.  At least we have websites like this one where people like you can anonymously share these finds with the world without risk, so everyone can see them.  Thanks again for sharing the cool stuff you find.

Yes....  me and the guys from U.K  are the custodians in Europe Treasure . everything ended up in good hands, do not worry.