Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items

October 22, 2009
Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items
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Help FEMA catch lawbreakers burying survival items.
Posted April 28th, 2008 by McClarinJ

Due to the likelihood that FEMA or other government agents will enforce restrictions that violate citizens' rights to own guns, ammunition, food reserves, and precious metals in the event of a severe depression or other calamity, some outlaws might consider burying at least some of their cache of survival items in well-sealed, unbreakable plastic containers.

Large PVC pipe sections with glued-on end caps might be used for smaller items like guns, ammunition, and precious metals. Guns could be wrapped in oil-drenched rags and inside plastic bags. When gluing, these scofflaws would know to swab surfaces with PVC primer first then make sure to quickly and thoroughly slop lots of PVC glue on the parts to be joined, speedily join them, rotating a partial turn, and hold them tightly in place for at least five seconds, ensuring a watertight capsule. Some might use a clean-out plug for easier opening, well sealed on both threaded surfaces with sticky wax from a wax toilet ring after the cache capsule is loaded for burial.

Where might they bury these capsules? Scofflaws realize that anything metal (gold, silver, guns & ammo) buried in their yard or hidden in their wall or attic can be easily located with a good metal detector and they could be prosecuted for noncompliance or conspiracy to withhold contraband if detected. Therefore they are apt to select an off-site location that is free from prying eyes as they bury, a site also unlikely to be bulldozed in the near future. First they would select a spot that aligns with permanent features so they could relocate it. They would use a small tarp to protect the surface from soil spillage and load one or more plastic buckets with their excavated earth. Before digging, they would carefully set aside any surface debris so they could replace it afterward to disguise their digging location. A smart illegal hoarder would tamp the earth well as they covered the cache capsule so it will not settle, leaving a telltale depression.

Since anti-hoarding statutes may entail house-to-house searches for food reserves, expect illegal hoarders to hide at least part of their food reserves underground. This presents a more complex challenge than burying smaller items. One likely if surprising ruse is to hide food reserves in a septic tank. Let me explain.

The hoarder realizes he needs a strong, waterproof, good-sized chamber for storing sealed plastic buckets full of storage foods underground. I have recently researched polyethylene septic tanks and suspect they are already in use for this purpose. They are light enough to be transported by pickup and carried or dragged by two people. They come equipped with manhole covers that could be sealed using the toilet ring wax method after they are stocked with provisions, plus they are non-metallic so a metal detector cannot be used to find them. These tanks are available for about a dollar per gallon capacity. You can judge for yourself by googling "plastic septic tanks" or follow some of these links to investigate:
http://www.plastic-mart.c...
http://www.ntotank.com/?g...
http://www.tank-depot.com...
http://www.fralo.net/
http://www.loomistank.com...
http://www.watertanks.com...

Many suppliers also sell underground cistern tanks that might also be used in this fashion, not to mention as rainwater storage tanks for which they are intended.

Those who conspire to hoard foodstuffs are sure to select long-term storage foods, adequately protected against moisture and insects. LDS church members have lots of information on storage techniques, which outlaws should be able to locate online.

Here again, care is probably taken to conceal signs of recent excavation, so lots of tarps are no doubt laid down, topsoil set aside for later replacement, and grooming/planting/littering to resemble the surrounding terrain as the final touch. The manhole cover would be buried at least as deep as the top of the tank is wide to avoid any hollow sounds. A sheet of plastic covering the manhole would protect against earth intrusions when the chamber is opened. Let's say illegal hoarders planned to bury a 1,000-gallon tank. They would need to remove at least 300 five-gallon buckets-full of earth. That's a lot of digging over several days so they would pick a location hidden from view and unlikely to attract visitors. They could be slowed down or even thwarted by big boulders, bedrock, or tangled tree roots, plus they would have to find a home for their excess dirt away from their cache site. They would be sure to have a couple pairs of tough, comfortable gloves and a good, stout long-handled shovel before they begin. It would be a bit of a workout.

Now that you know the details of how criminal hoarders are apt to try to thwart federal authorities you will be better able to spot suspicious activity and turn them in to the proper authorities. Go get 'em!

Great to know what to look for!
Spread the word so that everyone knows. 

So you think this is a good thing? Sounds like Nazi Germany to me.

FEMA rumors are started by people who sell fear, and "survival" products to lemmings...

What SWR said is true.

Send it to The Onion.   They might just publish it....

Hmmmmmm.

haha...ok, you got me   

FEMA rumors are started by people who sell fear, and "survival" products to lemmings...

You mean people like me, who push products on those "Morons" who are concerned about what is happening?

Yeah, ya got me.

That's what all of my training is about.
 


"Move along, nothing to see here, go back to your guns and bunkers and bibles, you rightwing militia conspiracy nuts"

You might want to look at the situation in the world and why people feel this way before you start poking fun at people that want to be prepared for the future.

You infered alot there... and I never said morons - I said lemmings. I also never said anything you placed in quotes, but you don't care about that as evidenced that you also believed this fake post without question or reservation. 

You and I probebly agree on almost everything politically - just that I don't live in fear or push it.  Survival and conspiracy is a big industry... lots of people want to buy gear and lots of folks want to sell it, this is the perfect political and economical environment. 

By the way - I do watch closely.. I train the people your president sends down-range to play in the sand.  I get it.

Regards.

Does anyone know of a site that has the guide lines that FEMA
goes by, when a disaster strikes. Do they for example have the same
authority as the Military when Marshal law is declared.
I ask this because on March 1, 2003 Emergency Management FEMA
Became part of the Department of Homeland Security.

No one can predict what the outcome of a major disaster will be. Even
with the present of what Military that can be spared for a giving area.
And even assuming that FEMA does arrive at the disaster.

I think that all family's that can afford it, should have at least two weeks
supply of food and water on hand. And each adult in the family should
have assess to a gun. In case of a disaster. It would seem the common
since thing to do.

                               Clayton

Damn, I think I actually got that.  To protect my identity, and to fit in, I will say, 'My God'! why would you bury your gun!! You should always keep it out and handy!!  yeah, I believe I did get the intent of your post.

Not another --deleted--ing FEMA rumor.     



What a joke of a post.

Yes RGINN, I know that you got it, and most fokes here did. It is about keeping
our families safe no matter what happens.
And if it took another --deleted--ing FEMA rumor to get peoples attention to the
need for that. Then so be it.

                                          Clayton

And if it took another --deleted--ing FEMA rumor to get peoples attention to the
need for that. Then so be it.

                                          Clayton

I prefer fact to fiction.



If the purpose of the rumor is supposed to be didactic, then perhaps it should've been called "A FEMA Fairytale" or "The Parable of FEMA and the Buried Survival Items."  That way there would be no questioning the fact that it was false.

And if it took another --deleted--ing FEMA rumor to get peoples attention to the
need for that. Then so be it.

                                          Clayton

I prefer fact to fiction.



If the purpose of the rumor is supposed to be didactic, then perhaps it should've been called "A FEMA Fairytale" or "The Parable of FEMA and the Buried Survival Items."  That way there would be no questioning the fact that it was false.

Yes it was supposed to be didactic. I would have thought you knew that
when you read. I'm sorry you don't like the title. I may consult you next
time before I make a post.

And if it took another --deleted--ing FEMA rumor to get peoples attention to the
need for that. Then so be it.

                                          Clayton

I prefer fact to fiction.



If the purpose of the rumor is supposed to be didactic, then perhaps it should've been called "A FEMA Fairytale" or "The Parable of FEMA and the Buried Survival Items."  That way there would be no questioning the fact that it was false.

Yes it was supposed to be didactic. I would have thought you knew that
when you read. I'm sorry you don't like the title. I may consult you next
time before I make a post.

I wasn't talking about your post title.  I was talking about the rumor!  But feel free to consult me if you decide to post misinformation here.  Evidently this post was moved from another location to "Comedy Central."   

And if it took another --deleted--ing FEMA rumor to get peoples attention to the
need for that. Then so be it.

                                          Clayton

I prefer fact to fiction.



If the purpose of the rumor is supposed to be didactic, then perhaps it should've been called "A FEMA Fairytale" or "The Parable of FEMA and the Buried Survival Items."  That way there would be no questioning the fact that it was false.

Yes it was supposed to be didactic. I would have thought you knew that
when you read. I'm sorry you don't like the title. I may consult you next
time before I make a post.

I wasn't talking about your post title.  I was talking about the rumor!  But feel free to consult me if you decide to post misinformation here.  Evidently this post was moved from another location to "Comedy Central."   

Thank you, I wasn't talking about misinformation. But if you specialize in that. And I decide to post any misinformation. I will consult you.
Yes this post was moved to "Comedy Central" Seem with some of the recent replies, it needs to be here.

What is surprising is that anyone would take this as anything more than a recipe for success. 

Thank you for posting it.

dahut, You are welcome.

I don't mind taking a little flack. If anyone is not politically correct.
And, many times I am not. They will catch some flack. I expect
it. And even if I don't agree with them. I want to hear what they
have to say.
This let's me know they have read my thoughts on the subject we
are talking about at the time. And if their response  is constructive. I
can get a better understanding on why they don't have the same
views, that I have.

               Clayton 

FEMA?!?! Those inept idiots couldn't find their rears with both hands. Why worry? Look at FEMAs track record. If they went looking for your cache, they'd root around in your trash ignore your yard then go home.

Your Federal dollars hard at work

I think that almost everybody here missed the real point. This is not the only place that this rumor has appeared. That means that there are a lot of people that believe it. That means that in a few years, cache hunters will have a GOLD MINE. Start looking at likely locations now. (any FEMA assisted area?)