Try dousing

My friend showed me the dousing really works. I couldnt believe it. I always thought those dousers were full of shirt.

He has two welding rods approx 14 inches long, each has a 90 degree bend four inches up the rod so that you can hold the handles loosly thus allowing the horizontal section of the rods to swing freely.
He has me hold them and walk across the street in front of his house, when I got to the water main going under the road, the rods swung inward and ended up paralell to the pipe.

I thought to myself that the old time prospectors could have done this to locate ore bodies.

Seeing as how this forum is usually frequented by people hunting metal valuables, not water ......  what's your point?   Are you trying to suggest that it can also be used for coins, treasure, and metal objects?    

sounds neet  i'v read about it but though the same thing you did.  i though you would need speical rods or something? but i do have welding rods so maybe ill try it ..

dont know if i would actually have a need to find water living on the east coast  but, it would be neet to see if it really works just because.

I once took to sets of sticks and banged them against tree and did a 'rain dance'.  It rained the next day so dousing really does work.

Did you dig the street up to confirm you located a water main...or did you know it was there?

sounds neet  i'v read about it but though the same thing you did.  i though you would need speical rods or something? but i do have welding rods so maybe ill try it ..

dont know if i would actually have a need to find water living on the east coast  but, it would be neet to see if it really works just because.

Coat hangers will work as well.

Of course dowsing works ......it has always worked....and will continue to work.   And just because some do not believe it, or cant get the hang of it, or don't understand it, doesn't keep it from working for others.

I don't know exactly how it works either, but that hasn't stopped it.  

Our own military uses it.  

The various branches of the U.S. military has trained select servicemen in the art of dowsing. The credit for introducing dowsing to the military goes to Louis Matacia, a dowser and professional land surveyor who demonstrated to the top brass what could be done by utilizing dowsers on the field of battle. During the Vietnamese war, the U.S. marines were able to find the Viet Cong's underground tunnels with the help of dowsing marines. The men in the field came to rely on the dowsers more so than on the sophisticated instrumentation because of their high rate of accuracy. Even today, the various branches of the U.S. military continue to train some men in the art of dowsing. Little did the Viet Cong know that the "secret weapon" they felt the U.S. military had to locate and destroy their system of underground tunnels were men in the field with dowsing rods !

http://accessnewage.com/articles/mystic/DOWSING1.HTM

GG~

[YOU]

GG, you say: " Our own military uses it " you mean, as in metal ....... land mines?   As in ......... could be used for metal treasures (coins, valuables, etc...) as well?    Just trying to understand you.  If so, how much treasure or valuables have YOU found dowsing?  (do not include metal you used a detector to .... uh ... ."pinpoint"    )

Look, I don't know how it works,  but as far as I am concerned it is valid.  A friend of mine brought a pair of copper rods to our monthly club hunt. I took off my wedding ring and put it on the ground while she was turned. She then went around looking for it with the rods. When she passed over the ring the rods swung in and crossed. I took the rods and walked toward the ring and when I got about 2 feet from the ring they crossed. I repeated this action at least 5 times. Another friend took the rods and had the same experience, the only difference being that the rods crossed when he stood directly over my wedding band. As far as I am concerned it worked but if you have not tried it then how would one know one way or the other. Also I admit that I do not know that it works for treasure hunting as I have never tried this.

[YOU]

GG, you say: " Our own military uses it " you mean, as in metal ....... land mines?   As in ......... could be used for metal treasures (coins, valuables, etc...) as well?    Just trying to understand you.  If so, how much treasure or valuables have YOU found dowsing?  (do not include metal you used a detector to .... uh ... ."pinpoint"    )

Please, I do not want to make this about what treasure or valuables I personally have or haven't found.

As I understand it, the military has used dowsing for years to locate metal objects, water, and tunnels/voids in the ground. Other than that, I am sure is classified.

There is a Dowsing topic on this forum that goes into detail as to what else can be found by using dowsing rods.

Thanks for your interest,
GG~

Seeing as how this forum is usually frequented by people hunting metal valuables, not water ......  what's your point?   Are you trying to suggest that it can also be used for coins, treasure, and metal objects?    

Are you saying you can believe it works for water, but nothing else?

There is at least one book published by the Vietnam Society of Dowsers.
I guess its easy to believe in something when it is used to kill your
people and destroy your weapons. I haven't read it and that's mainly
because i've been unable to find a copy for sale. It has been referenced in
the bibliographies of a number of dowsing books printed overseas.
   Once again I invite sceptics to travel to Vermont during the annual convention of the American Society of Dowsers. There and then you will
meet thousands of dowsers from novice to master knowledge. I'm sure
that you will be able to convince them that dowsing will not work.
   Many of the most obnoxious dowsers started off as obnoxious sceptics. Since I don't care what you folks believe and really don't care what happens
to you I'll save my time and efforts for things and people that interest me.
Life's too short to waste it on things that don't appeal to you. As you were.
siegfried schlagrule

Would you trust a dowser to lead you through a mine field?  Maybe they could and maybe they couldn't.  One thing about it, you probably would never know if it didn't work!  Monty

Would you trust a dowser to lead you through a mine field?  Maybe they could and maybe they couldn't.  One thing about it, you probably would never know if it didn't work!  Monty

I wouldn't want to trust a dowser OR a metal detector to lead me through a mine field. I'd be too skeeerd to trust anything.

These types of threads are always amusing to read. 

It's too bad they generally get deleted as the usual suspects complain to the mod(s). 


 

There is a one million dollar prize waiting for the first person who can prove dousing works under controlled testing conditions.  Lots have tried but no one has been able to claim it yet.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html  (note they consider dousing to be a paranormal activity so it qualifies under their rules for the $1 million prize).

[YOU]

GG, you say: " Our own military uses it " you mean, as in metal ....... land mines?   As in ......... could be used for metal treasures (coins, valuables, etc...) as well?    Just trying to understand you.  If so, how much treasure or valuables have YOU found dowsing?  (do not include metal you used a detector to .... uh ... ."pinpoint"    )

LOL...of course our military does not use dowsing. The claim has been used by dowsing proponents for many years. Evidently, dowsing was "pitched" to the military by Matacia...but, the Military did not buy into his claims (see The Divining Hand by Christopher Bird).

Kentucky, you ask: "Are you saying you can believe it works for water, but nothing else? "   I'm avoiding the issue whether or not it works for water (as this is a metal detecting forum, last I checked.  no?), and asked if it works for metals.

If (as 21stTNcav and others assert) that it can be used for metal (treasures, coins, etc...) then I'm asking to see the results.   For example:  a quick look on the finds pages of ANY metal detecting will be riddled with finds that metal detectors have made.  Right?  Ie.: any day of the week you open up T'net, go to the beach hunting page, or the finds page, etc... and you will see an assortment of rings people are boasting about, coins, relics, etc.... right?  No shortage of people posting finds.  Even caches are posted from time to time that are found with detectors, right?  So all I'm saying is, where's the finds from dowsing, if it works?   

And no, I don't count finds that someone says they found with a dowsing rod, if they used a detector to "pinpoint" it.  The rationale is simple:  If anyone researches out a possible lead (ie.: "grandma was known to have buried a jar on this property, blah blah blah") and heads to the location of the probable lead (ie.: likely looking ruins, etc....) and points his dowsing rod around to point at the probable place.  Then he takes out a metal detector and finds metal.  That proves nothing.  This is because if you dig around enough ruins and likely spots/leads, long enough, you will always eventually find something (especially if you already have your lead, and turn on a metal detector to "pinpoint").  History is filled with stories of people accidentally stumbling on to buried caches.  Like gardeners, construction workers, etc...  So how much MORE-SO would the odds be, if someone is specifically looking for goodies around likely places (and subconsciously pointing the rods in the direction he already suspects) will eventually find things too.  Know what I mean?

Well, I'll say dowsing does work.  It works for water, underground tunnels, land mines, water pipes, etc.  It seems to work based on what they are looking for.  So if they're looking for water lines, that's what they find.  It does work; I've witnessed it done in real life, and they were dead on.  Now the disclaimer.  It apparently doesn't work for everyone.  I know certain people who are dead on, and it doesn't matter if they use willow branches, iron rods, or whatever.  Other folks, like me, will get some type of reaction to the rods, but it's nothin.  Certain people do have that ability, and others of us don't.

Well, I'll say dowsing does work.  It works for water, underground tunnels, land mines, water pipes, etc.  It seems to work based on what they are looking for.  So if they're looking for water lines, that's what they find.  It does work; I've witnessed it done in real life, and they were dead on.  Now the disclaimer.  It apparently doesn't work for everyone.  I know certain people who are dead on, and it doesn't matter if they use willow branches, iron rods, or whatever.  Other folks, like me, will get some type of reaction to the rods, but it's nothin.  Certain people do have that ability, and others of us don't.

I agree with RGINN! 100%

I also understand where Tom_in_ CA is coming from. (dig enough holes and eventually you will find what you are looking for) I have no reason to try and convince a skeptic otherwise.
 
Skeptics obviously have not experienced what I have. And even if they did there is still no guarantee that they would be convinced.


GG~

"It does work; I've witnessed it done in real life"   Well then do tell:  where are the stories?  Where are the posts (as is easily seen on metal detecting finds forums)?    And remember, random odds of digging 100 holes around likely looking ruins & using a detector to "pinpoint" don't count.  Nor does showing it works by doing a staged demo or rods crossing over a ring count.   We want to see actual finds made, that can not be written up to digging countless holes (darn those sun spots anyhow) and eventually stumbling on to something.   



 

LOL...of course our military does not use dowsing. The claim has been used by dowsing proponents for many years. Evidently, dowsing was "pitched" to the military by Matacia...but, the Military did not buy into his claims (see The Divining Hand by Christopher Bird).

Right, and the Earth is flat.

Try getting Major Paul H. Smith who served in the U.S. government's top secret Remote Viewing program at Ft. Meade, MD. and served as theory instructor for new CRV trainee personnel, as well as recruiting officer and unit security officer, to believe that.
 
http://www.learndowsing.com/

http://dowsinga.com/101/military-dowsing/

http://dowsinga.com/Military-Dowsing.pdf  You may want to read this before you pass judgement.



GG~

There is a one million dollar prize waiting for the first person who can prove dousing works under controlled testing conditions.  Lots have tried but no one has been able to claim it yet.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html  (note they consider dousing to be a paranormal activity so it qualifies under their rules for the $1 million prize).

That rigged contest has been discussed in agonizing detail, with over 13 pages of posts in the last three years on the T-Net Dowsing forum.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,42746.0.html

GG~

LOL...of course our military does not use dowsing. The claim has been used by dowsing proponents for many years. Evidently, dowsing was "pitched" to the military by Matacia...but, the Military did not buy into his claims (see The Divining Hand by Christopher Bird).

Right, and the Earth is flat.

Try getting Major Paul H. Smith who served in the U.S. government's top secret Remote Viewing program at Ft. Meade, MD. and served as theory instructor for new CRV trainee personnel, as well as recruiting officer and unit security officer, to believe that.
 
http://www.learndowsing.com/

http://dowsinga.com/101/military-dowsing/

http://dowsinga.com/Military-Dowsing.pdf  You may want to read this before you pass judgement.



GG~

So...Remote Viewing is the same as dowsing for landmines and such, eh?

The Stargate Project that Major Smith was involved with was deemed useless. The results were no better than chance guessing. No surprise there, eh? You can now buy Smith's learn to dowse DVD for a couple of hundred dollars and find tons of treasure :::rolls eyes:::

You may want to read this before you pass judgement.

Er...that was written by the guy in the Dowsing for Dollars video, as seen on Fox News. Judgment is easy.

Whatever.....Believe what you will, matters not to me.

GG~

Kentucky, you ask: "Are you saying you can believe it works for water, but nothing else? "   I'm avoiding the issue whether or not it works for water (as this is a metal detecting forum, last I checked.  no?), and asked if it works for metals.

If (as 21stTNcav and others assert) that it can be used for metal (treasures, coins, etc...) then I'm asking to see the results.   For example:  a quick look on the finds pages of ANY metal detecting will be riddled with finds that metal detectors have made.  Right?  Ie.: any day of the week you open up T'net, go to the beach hunting page, or the finds page, etc... and you will see an assortment of rings people are boasting about, coins, relics, etc.... right?  No shortage of people posting finds.  Even caches are posted from time to time that are found with detectors, right?  So all I'm saying is, where's the finds from dowsing, if it works?   

And no, I don't count finds that someone says they found with a dowsing rod, if they used a detector to "pinpoint" it.  The rationale is simple:  If anyone researches out a possible lead (ie.: "grandma was known to have buried a jar on this property, blah blah blah") and heads to the location of the probable lead (ie.: likely looking ruins, etc....) and points his dowsing rod around to point at the probable place.  Then he takes out a metal detector and finds metal.  That proves nothing.  This is because if you dig around enough ruins and likely spots/leads, long enough, you will always eventually find something (especially if you already have your lead, and turn on a metal detector to "pinpoint").  History is filled with stories of people accidentally stumbling on to buried caches.  Like gardeners, construction workers, etc...  So how much MORE-SO would the odds be, if someone is specifically looking for goodies around likely places (and subconsciously pointing the rods in the direction he already suspects) will eventually find things too.  Know what I mean?

Yes, I know what you mean. It just sounds like that everytime anyone comes up with something that could be proof, someone finds a way to discredit it. If dowsing works for water, then that means DOWSING WORKS.

This is crazy. Of course Dowsing works for water. It always has and its not rocket science.
You can dowse with a forked stick, coat hangers or as the poster noted welding rods. Its some kinda magnetic thing. We learned it as kids. Go over any water line or garden hose. It works.  I like to use the fork of a small dog wood branch !! I am serious.
Try it before you doubt it. No I would not trust it over my Tesoro in a mine field 
TnMtns

I didnt mean that the dowsing rods were manipulated by the water in the water main. It was the metal pipe that made the rods move.
Therefore, if you were dousing say, in the Nevada desert, you could possibly find an ore body

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,200.0.html

Well, I'll say dowsing does work.  It works for water, underground tunnels, land mines, water pipes, etc.  It seems to work based on what they are looking for.  So if they're looking for water lines, that's what they find.  It does work; I've witnessed it done in real life, and they were dead on.  Now the disclaimer.  It apparently doesn't work for everyone.  I know certain people who are dead on, and it doesn't matter if they use willow branches, iron rods, or whatever.  Other folks, like me, will get some type of reaction to the rods, but it's nothin.  Certain people do have that ability, and others of us don't.

I dont believe this at all.... When the guy handed me the rods he said "you have to believe"  I was thinking .. "i dont believe shirt, till I see it for my own eyes" I went in with no pre-concieved notions either way. And it worked

It works.  I like to use the fork of a small dog wood branch !! I am serious.
Try it before you doubt it. No I would not trust it over my Tesoro in a mine field 
TnMtns

Don't be so quick to grab the Tesoro. Modern landmines are non-metallic !!

Well, Tom, the dowsers I've been around weren't lookin for treasure.  Mostly they were lookin for underground pipelines, or water lines, or water wells.  And the good ones hit it every time.  We didn't have to dig a hundred holes.  I suppose when I go back to Oklahoma next year I can get one of them to pose for some pics to prove that, but it won't be real impressive and it won't prove anything.  I can right now get pics of me dowsing, and you will see several photos of 'dig here, no wait, over here, no I was right the first time.'  It never really occurred to us to dowse for treasure.  I've never seen anyone dowse up any gold or buried money.  Maybe they can, but I've never seen it.  But I will stand by my statement I have witnessed people dowse up water, and underground lines.  That's not really somethin that would get posted much on Tnet, I guess.

It's stupid to disclaim a theory that you havent actually tried yourself.
I tried it (while being a disbeliever) and it works.
I can prove it under any controlled conditions.

I've tried it and it works. A friend was telling me about it when he saw me detecting. Needless to say I told him he was full of it. He got two bent copper rods out of his truck and told me to give it a try. To say the least I was skeptical. Sure enough as I was walking the rods crossed. He said get your detector and see what it says. The detector beeped right over where the rods crossed. Tried it a dozen times and without fail the rods were spot on. My wife enjoys detecting but with only one machine she tried the rods and she can find metal in the ground as good as I can with the detector. We have five grown kids, all with college degrees, and they laughed at us when we told them. We made them all give it a shot and they were amazed. I heard the oldest one say "maybe they're really not as kooky as we thought".   

Granite gator, you say: 

"It's stupid to disclaim a theory that you havent actually tried yourself."

I couldn't agree more myself!   So here's what I propose to you:   I'm going to suggest that you cover a tennis shoe with peanut butter, sprinkle birdseed on your head, & throw the tennis shoe up in the air.   Wherever the shoe points to, is the direction of a buried valuable.   Try it and see!   Remember, it's stupid to disclaim a theory that you haven't tried      (gotta be consistent here afterall)

Granite gator, you say: 

"It's stupid to disclaim a theory that you havent actually tried yourself."

I couldn't agree more myself!   So here's what I propose to you:   I'm going to suggest that you cover a tennis shoe with peanut butter, sprinkle birdseed on your head, & throw the tennis shoe up in the air.   Wherever the shoe points to, is the direction of a buried valuable.   Try it and see!   Remember, it's stupid to disclaim a theory that you haven't tried      (gotta be consistent here afterall)

Now that's what I call a REAL scientific approach to prove or disprove a theory 

Eddie, but it's a real "scientific approach" to try the logic of a put-forward statement, on it's (the statement's) own merits. eh?   

Oh, and remember, as for the actual theory in question, it need not be studied scientifically anyhow.   Remember, they'll just say it's "un-discovered" science afterall.  I mean, afterall, they (top scientists) thought the earth was flat once, right?  Therefore my peanut butter covered shoe idea can not be scoffed at.  To do so, would be "stupid" (as granite gator's statement clearly says).   Try the shoe trick, and if it doesn't work, only THEN you can say it's stupid. 

Ok, who's gonna go first?   A used tennis shoe ought to be pretty cheap at Goodwill.   Let's go 

Eddie, but it's a real "scientific approach" to try the logic of a put-forward statement, on it's (the statement's) own merits. eh?   

Oh, and remember, as for the actual theory in question, it need not be studied scientifically anyhow.   Remember, they'll just say it's "un-discovered" science afterall.  I mean, afterall, they (top scientists) thought the earth was flat once, right?  Therefore my peanut butter covered shoe idea can not be scoffed at.  To do so, would be "stupid" (as granite gator's statement clearly says).   Try the shoe trick, and if it doesn't work, only THEN you can say it's stupid. 

Ok, who's gonna go first?   A used tennis shoe ought to be pretty cheap at Goodwill.   Let's go 

Ah...but if it DID happen to work....what then?    And I'm not scoffing at the idea...I'm just referring to that particular process as being "really scientific".  I mean come on....say for instance..the big bang theory. Who REALLY believes in that? And yet it is still spoken of as fact. 

What I'm getting at with the big bang theory in my previous post is this: Science still talks about and teaches about this theory as if it is a fact. IT IS NOT. It CANNOT be duplicated and CANNOT be proven...yet it is still taught by the "top scientists". I didn't mean to change the subject from dowsing to the bang, it was just the one that came to mind. Now back to dowsing.....

Eddie, but it's a real "scientific approach" to try the logic of a put-forward statement, on it's (the statement's) own merits. eh?   

Oh, and remember, as for the actual theory in question, it need not be studied scientifically anyhow.   Remember, they'll just say it's "un-discovered" science afterall.  I mean, afterall, they (top scientists) thought the earth was flat once, right?  Therefore my peanut butter covered shoe idea can not be scoffed at.  To do so, would be "stupid" (as granite gator's statement clearly says).   Try the shoe trick, and if it doesn't work, only THEN you can say it's stupid. 

Ok, who's gonna go first?   A used tennis shoe ought to be pretty cheap at Goodwill.   Let's go 

Okay, I'm standing here with peanutbutter in my hair...I think I did something backwards. Now what do I do?

Here is a note on the earth being flat. After believing in a flat earth through the dark ages, man then figured out the earth was round. But guess what...Man still didn't have it exactly right. We've now learned that the earth is not perfectly round, as they once thought. So you see, you can have SOME truth, and still not understand the WHOLE truth.

Okay, I'm standing here with peanutbutter in my hair...I think I did something backwards. Now what do I do?

They say peanut butter will get chewing gum out of your hair. Since you did something backwards. Maybe chewing gum will get the peanut butter out.

GG~

Okay, I'm standing here with peanutbutter in my hair...I think I did something backwards. Now what do I do?

They say peanut butter will get chewing gum out of your hair. Since you did something backwards. Maybe chewing gum will get the peanut butter out.

GG~

Have you got anything to bring back the hair that fell out?

What I'm getting at with the big bang theory in my previous post is this: Science still talks about and teaches about this theory as if it is a fact. IT IS NOT. It CANNOT be duplicated and CANNOT be proven...yet it is still taught by the "top scientists". I didn't mean to change the subject from dowsing to the bang, it was just the one that came to mind. Now back to dowsing.....

Just as the Big Bang cannot be duplicated, neither can the theory of Creationism.  Yet people tend to believe one or the other.  Bad example.

There's been a couple of things said here that I think bear pointing out.

"Some people can do it (dowsing), some people can't."
"You have to believe in it (dowsing) for it to work."

Now honestly, how many other activities can you apply both of these statements to?  What else can only certain folks do, and is something that has to be believed in in order to work??

Only religion comes to mind...... 

I didnt mean that the dowsing rods were manipulated by the water in the water main. It was the metal pipe that made the rods move.
Therefore, if you were dousing say, in the Nevada desert, you could possibly find an ore body

Would the rods move for water traveling through a PVC pipe?

 Listen I could care less if dowsing worked or not. I really do not believe in it or see any scientific reasoning or explanation for it to work. All I know is it works  on water lines or water hoses.... for me even with my eyes closed. I do not know about the silly  treasure chest no one has yet found. I may not be over it.
  I do not think you have to have faith in it or believe in anything. I am  thinking if it worked for me it would work for anybody. There is obviously a scientific reason that it works. What that is I do not know.
 On a lighter note I did dig up my neighbors water line,,,twice,, while metal detecting Cw Bullets.
 I can not imagine treasure hunting by dowsing though that  does seem ridiculous to me.
 HH

What I'm getting at with the big bang theory in my previous post is this: Science still talks about and teaches about this theory as if it is a fact. IT IS NOT. It CANNOT be duplicated and CANNOT be proven...yet it is still taught by the "top scientists". I didn't mean to change the subject from dowsing to the bang, it was just the one that came to mind. Now back to dowsing.....

Just as the Big Bang cannot be duplicated, neither can the theory of Creationism.  Yet people tend to believe one or the other.  Bad example.

There's been a couple of things said here that I think bear pointing out.

"Some people can do it (dowsing), some people can't."
"You have to believe in it (dowsing) for it to work."

Now honestly, how many other activities can you apply both of these statements to?  What else can only certain folks do, and is something that has to be believed in in order to work??

Only religion comes to mind...... 

Miracles still happen. That's creation. But it has nothing to do with dowsing.

Listen I could care less if dowsing worked or not. I really do not believe in it or see any scientific reasoning or explanation for it to work. All I know is it works  on water lines or water hoses.... for me even with my eyes closed. I do not know about the silly  treasure chest no one has yet found. I may not be over it.
  I do not think you have to have faith in it or believe in anything. I am  thinking if it worked for me it would work for anybody. There is obviously a scientific reason that it works. What that is I do not know.
 On a lighter note I did dig up my neighbors water line,,,twice,, while metal detecting Cw Bullets.
 I can not imagine treasure hunting by dowsing though that  does seem ridiculous to me.
 HH

You seem to contradict yourself. You believe in water dowsing, THOUGH you don't understand the science behind it. But you don't really believe in metal dowsing, BECAUSE you don't understand the science behind it.

Listen I could care less if dowsing worked or not. I really do not believe in it or see any scientific reasoning or explanation for it to work. All I know is it works  on water lines or water hoses.... for me even with my eyes closed. I do not know about the silly  treasure chest no one has yet found. I may not be over it.
  I do not think you have to have faith in it or believe in anything. I am  thinking if it worked for me it would work for anybody. There is obviously a scientific reason that it works. What that is I do not know.
 On a lighter note I did dig up my neighbors water line,,,twice,, while metal detecting Cw Bullets.
 I can not imagine treasure hunting by dowsing though that  does seem ridiculous to me.
 HH

You seem to contradict yourself. You believe in water dowsing, THOUGH you don't understand the science behind it. But you don't really believe in metal dowsing, BECAUSE you don't understand the science behind it.

I do not think my belief in it has anything to do with it . I have thrown bullets and gold on the ground and did not get a reaction yet water seems to be my forte : ) 

What I'm getting at with the big bang theory in my previous post is this: Science still talks about and teaches about this theory as if it is a fact. IT IS NOT. It CANNOT be duplicated and CANNOT be proven...yet it is still taught by the "top scientists". I didn't mean to change the subject from dowsing to the bang, it was just the one that came to mind. Now back to dowsing.....

Just as the Big Bang cannot be duplicated, neither can the theory of Creationism.  Yet people tend to believe one or the other.  Bad example.

There's been a couple of things said here that I think bear pointing out.

"Some people can do it (dowsing), some people can't."
"You have to believe in it (dowsing) for it to work."

Now honestly, how many other activities can you apply both of these statements to?  What else can only certain folks do, and is something that has to be believed in in order to work??

Only religion comes to mind...... 

Miracles still happen. That's creation. But it has nothing to do with dowsing.

But it's must be related in some sense.  The person who said here that you have to believe in dowsing in order for it to work is not the first to say this.  It's been said many times before by many other people. 

Not everyone believes in organized religion, not everyone believes in dowsing.  Those who do believe have no idea how anyone can't believe, and those that don't believe have no idea how someone could.

Listen I could care less if dowsing worked or not. I really do not believe in it or see any scientific reasoning or explanation for it to work. All I know is it works  on water lines or water hoses.... for me even with my eyes closed. I do not know about the silly  treasure chest no one has yet found. I may not be over it.
  I do not think you have to have faith in it or believe in anything. I am  thinking if it worked for me it would work for anybody. There is obviously a scientific reason that it works. What that is I do not know.
 On a lighter note I did dig up my neighbors water line,,,twice,, while metal detecting Cw Bullets.
 I can not imagine treasure hunting by dowsing though that  does seem ridiculous to me.
 HH

You seem to contradict yourself. You believe in water dowsing, THOUGH you don't understand the science behind it. But you don't really believe in metal dowsing, BECAUSE you don't understand the science behind it.

I do not think my belief in it has anything to do with it . I have thrown bullets and gold on the ground and did not get a reaction yet water seems to be my forte : ) 

And at the same time those who do believe in water dowsing can't always seem to do it.

Example:

I had to run a 4 inch water line to the house I was building for myself.  Because I wanted the pressure city water offered, and to avoid the major cost of drilling a new well, I found myself with no choice but to run a 2,600 foot water line, which meant ditching a 2,600 foot long, 10 inch wide, 4 foot deep trench.  I maanged to do this and stay on only two of my neighbor's land.  One man had a water line running directly across the path of my trench.  This was a line he had laid himself about 10 years prior, and he had photos of the burial, but he insisted he could dowse the lines, so I let him go for it.  About 30 minutes later he had laid down a line of spray paint where his line was supposed to be in the path of my ditch.  So, I continued ditching, raised up to 3 feet where he had indicated, then dropped down to 4 feet again after.  About 10 feet later, I snapped his line in half.

Here's a guy that was convinced it worked, was convinced that he could do it, and then couldn't locate a line that he laid himself when he even had photos of the work he had done.

Just my own personal story of "seeing it for myself."

But it's must be related in some sense.  The person who said here that you have to believe in dowsing in order for it to work is not the first to say this.  It's been said many times before by many other people. 

Not everyone believes in organized religion, not everyone believes in dowsing.  Those who do believe have no idea how anyone can't believe, and those that don't believe have no idea how someone could.

I don't equate dowsing with religion. I do know that God honors faith. Does that have anything to do with dowsing? I don't know. I wouldn't put my faith in that.

But it's must be related in some sense.  The person who said here that you have to believe in dowsing in order for it to work is not the first to say this.  It's been said many times before by many other people. 

Not everyone believes in organized religion, not everyone believes in dowsing.  Those who do believe have no idea how anyone can't believe, and those that don't believe have no idea how someone could.

I don't equate dowsing with religion. I do know that God honors faith. Does that have anything to do with dowsing? I don't know. I wouldn't put my faith in that.

Right, but what I'm trying to say here is that some folks say you need to have faith in order to dowse.  Regardless of whether you feel this way, a lot of folks do.  But why?  Perhaps you're not the person best suited to answer this??

But it's must be related in some sense.  The person who said here that you have to believe in dowsing in order for it to work is not the first to say this.  It's been said many times before by many other people.  

Not everyone believes in organized religion, not everyone believes in dowsing.  Those who do believe have no idea how anyone can't believe, and those that don't believe have no idea how someone could.

I don't equate dowsing with religion. I do know that God honors faith. Does that have anything to do with dowsing? I don't know. I wouldn't put my faith in that.

Right, but what I'm trying to say here is that some folks say you need to have faith in order to dowse.  Regardless of whether you feel this way, a lot of folks do.  But why?  Perhaps you're not the person best suited to answer this??

I will admit I don't know much about dowsing, but I do know a little about faith. I say I wouldn't put faith in dowsing, and I wouldn't equate dowsing with religion. I was talking to you because you seem to agree that it's the same thing. The only difference is, they say it's real, and you say it's fake.

Since you don't believe in religion OR dowsing, then In your opinion, who would be best suited to answer this? Are you actually looking for answers?

I think you must first have enough "belief/faith" that dowsing works in order to spend the time, effort and energy required to practice and train yourself on how to do it properly.

Most people give up after only a few unsuccessful tries, saying "Well it doesn't work so it must be bogus"

Just think of all that the world would be missing if inventers gave up after a few unsuccessful attempts.

Usually it was their "belief/faith" that kept them going until they were successful.  Same is true with dowsing. Lack of "belief/faith" doesn't keep it from working but lack of practice combined with determination will.

Do you really think dowsing would still be around after thousands of years and used all over the world if there wasn't something to it?


GG~

I think you must first have enough "belief" that dowsing works in order to spend the time, effort and energy required to practice and train yourself on how to do it properly.

Most people give up after only a few unsuccessful tries, saying "Well it doesn't work so it must be bogus"

Just think of all that the world would be missing if inventers gave up after a few unsuccessful attempts.

Usually it was their "belief" that kept them going until they were successful.  Same is true with dowsing.

Do you think dowsing would still be around after thousands of years if it didn't work?


GG~

I agree with that. However, I don't think that's exactly what they are talking about. You would eventually receive what you're searching for because you believed in it enough to stick with it, but I think the people above are talking about a direct, divine intervention faith that causes things to happen.

Do you think there is a scientific principal behind dowsing?

I believe science has yet to be able to identify the mechanism that allows dowsing to work.  

Science has enough trouble understanding physical properties, let alone metaphysical ones. And I am not sure myself which category dowsing falls under.

GG~

I think you must first have enough "belief/faith" that dowsing works in order to spend the time, effort and energy required to practice and train yourself on how to do it properly.

Most people give up after only a few unsuccessful tries, saying "Well it doesn't work so it must be bogus"

Just think of all that the world would be missing if inventers gave up after a few unsuccessful attempts.

Usually it was their "belief/faith" that kept them going until they were successful.  Same is true with dowsing. Lack of "belief/faith" doesn't keep it from working but lack of practice combined with determination will.

Do you really think dowsing would still be around after thousands of years and used all over the world if there wasn't something to it?


GG~

So you believe this is a skill that everyone can do, regardless of whether they believe in it or not?  And why no comments about my first-hand dowsing story?  I should have mentioned that this guy claims to have been dowsing for years.

I do think dowsing would be around for this long for a few reasons.  One, the unverifiable tales of amazing wealth found with dowsing rods.  Two, the fact that a lot of dowsers pack a metal detector along with their rods when they go hunting.  Just as in Tom's example above, if you wander around long enough with rods and go to a likely spot, then break out the detector to "pinpoint" your treasure, then one can convince himself that he's making finds by dowsing.  And three, dowsers love to view themselves as a notch above "regular folks" by claiming that dowsing takes amazing concentration, otherworldly insight into the art of lost treasure, an awe-inspiring understanding of the scientific world, and an unbelievable grasp of all things metallic.  Plus, they fancy themselves historians of sorts since most have hear books on the subject that say dowsing is an old art.

I'm surprised that they don't run around with a glove to stick on their rods so they can give themselves a big pat on the back for being so deep and intelligent.

I believe science has yet to be able to identify the mechanism that allows dowsing to work.  

Science has enough trouble understanding physical properties, let alone metaphysical ones. And I am not sure myself which category dowsing falls under.

GG~

Same here.

Goodyguy, you say:

"Most people give up after only a few unsuccessful tries, saying "Well it doesn't work so it must be bogus" ........  Just think of all that the world would be missing if inventers gave up after a few unsuccessful attempts. ............  Same is true with dowsing. "

Well I couldn't agree with you more.  The reason it doesn't work for some folks, is that they didn't "try it long enough".   You can't argue with that logic.  Anytime it didn't work, you merely "try longer" "practice more" etc...   If it STILL didn't work, then you repeat the steps, and on and on it goes.   Eventually it WILL work and you WILL find something, once you know how to do it.

Which is exactly why I keep telling people, when they doubt my peanut-butter covered tennis shoe dowsing instrument, that ...... when they tried it, and it didn't work, they simply didn't try it long enough!   And if they try it longer, and it still doesn't work, then they must ........ try it longer!  If you keep doing it, around enough likely looking ruins, with leads that led you there, for a long enough period of time, and use a metal detector to "pinpoint", I bet my system would work.

And if it didn't work?  Well by golly, you didn't try it long enough, or you didn't have "the gift".  Don't you love how in-penetrable logic works?  

And lastly you say:

"I believe science has yet to be able to identify the mechanism that allows dowsing to work.   Science has enough trouble understanding physical properties, let alone metaphysical ones."

Yup, un-discovered science.   That one is for sure in-penetrable.

So now please, someone tell me when they're going to try my system.  

And three, dowsers love to view themselves as a notch above "regular folks" by claiming that dowsing takes amazing concentration, otherworldly insight into the art of lost treasure, an awe-inspiring understanding of the scientific world, and an unbelievable grasp of all things metallic.  Plus, they fancy themselves historians of sorts since most have hear books on the subject that say dowsing is an old art.

I'm surprised that they don't run around with a glove to stick on their rods so they can give themselves a big pat on the back for being so deep and intelligent.

Sorry, but that sound more like the scientific side, though it probably exists on both sides.

So you believe this is a skill that everyone can do, regardless of whether they believe in it or not?  And why no comments about my first-hand dowsing story?  I should have mentioned that this guy claims to have been dowsing for years.

I am by no means an expert on the subject of dowsing.

However, I do believe in it as an easy way to find water. Finding other things is much harder to accomplish and is much more susceptible to outside interference.

I also believe that some people have an easier time learning to dowse than others.  Some who may otherwise have learned perhaps gave up too soon because they tried to force the results or didn't learn proper technique. Or maybe they just didn't have it in them, whatever "it" is.  

As far as your first hand story about the unsuccessful dowsing attempt by your so called experienced at dowsing neighbor, I had to laugh, I wish I could have been there to have seen the look on his face when you cut through his water lines.  

The world is full of mistakes made by experienced people who are professionals at their vocation. So I am not surprised that he made a mistake. For all I know there could have been a deep under ground stream that he detected, mistaking it for his water lines.

Either way, I have never said, nor do I believe, that dowsing is infallible.

GG~

Tom,

The peanut butter shoe method is way too bizarre of a concept for me.......but hey, if it works for you, then by all means "stick" with it.  

GG~

 I am not going to dowse a water line and then jump on my back hoe and start digging. I might have to try my metal detector first, . No Kentucky I do not understand the science behind it and have yet to have it explained to me..
 I can say That I dowsed three spots for wells to be drilled. The guy did two and hit water and nuled ny third spot and drilled a dry hole a 100 yards away.He was pissed and came back and drilled mt spot and we got cool clear water. Of course I knew the topograhy and dowsed likey spots  . He gave me a thumbs up. Oh one well was sulfur though.
Cheers

I think you must first have enough "belief/faith" that dowsing works in order to spend the time, effort and energy required to practice and train yourself on how to do it properly.

Most people give up after only a few unsuccessful tries, saying "Well it doesn't work so it must be bogus"

Just think of all that the world would be missing if inventers gave up after a few unsuccessful attempts.

Usually it was their "belief/faith" that kept them going until they were successful.  Same is true with dowsing. Lack of "belief/faith" doesn't keep it from working but lack of practice combined with determination will.

Do you really think dowsing would still be around after thousands of years and used all over the world if there wasn't something to it?


GG~

So you believe this is a skill that everyone can do, regardless of whether they believe in it or not?  And why no comments about my first-hand dowsing story?  I should have mentioned that this guy claims to have been dowsing for years.

I do think dowsing would be around for this long for a few reasons.  One, the unverifiable tales of amazing wealth found with dowsing rods.  Two, the fact that a lot of dowsers pack a metal detector along with their rods when they go hunting.  Just as in Tom's example above, if you wander around long enough with rods and go to a likely spot, then break out the detector to "pinpoint" your treasure, then one can convince himself that he's making finds by dowsing.  And three, dowsers love to view themselves as a notch above "regular folks" by claiming that dowsing takes amazing concentration, otherworldly insight into the art of lost treasure, an awe-inspiring understanding of the scientific world, and an unbelievable grasp of all things metallic.  Plus, they fancy themselves historians of sorts since most have hear books on the subject that say dowsing is an old art.

I'm surprised that they don't run around with a glove to stick on their rods so they can give themselves a big pat on the back for being so deep and intelligent.

That has got to be the most asinine comment posted on this subject so far. I haven't read any of these so-called claims you are referring to. The only ridiculous claims that I have read here so far are from the doubters. You all want dowsers to "prove" dowsing works and yet you can't offer one little shred of evidence to say it doesn't (or can't) work. From what I see here, the "doubters" are begging for proof. Well....geez louise...there are several first hand accounts in the posts above. There are people saying that they have witnessed it firsthand. Isn't their word good enough for you. Oh, I see...you can't just take somebody at their word, right? You need to witness it firsthand, correct? Well, how many people here believe the earth is round and not flat? And why do you believe it's round? BECAUSE SOMEONE SAYS SO. Doesn't that mean you are taking someone at their word? Or do you just enjoy "implying" that people are silly for thinking outside the box?

Eddie, yes of course the doubters want proof, and don't feel the need to have to dis-proove something seemingly awkward.   (ie.: how does it work and where are the finds to proove it).   Because yes, the burden of proof rests on the person coming up with some bizzare, seemingly scientifically improbable, method.   For example, take my tennis shoe dowsing method:  Why would it be incumbent on OTHERS to "dis-prove" that it works?  And if they fail to do so (by trying it), then it's automatically assummed my tennis shoe method has merit?  On the contrary: it's MY burden to show that it works, and explain how it works.  Thus, the same burden of proof for dowsers.    Take metal detectors for example:  you can be shown a schematic flow chart of scientifically sustainable interactions, that cause the metal detector to "beep" over a metal target.  And you can be shown an endless string of people who..... whoever comes to the table, and waves the coin in front of the coil, it will beep EVERY time, no matter who waves the coin.  In other words, a controlled lab experiment, with test controls, double-blinds, etc....   The same scrutiny can be expected of my tennis shoe method, and other forms of dowsing.   It's totally logical and not "asisine" as you say.

Next, you have a legit. beef about people supposedly brushing over the random success stories printed.   But as I read back through this thread, I see none except for water.   Now correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this a metal detecting forum??   So keeping the conversation on metal detecting, I can do one better for you:  All a person merely needs to do, is grab any number of old metal detecting mag's, from the last 30 yrs. and look at any dowsing ad.   In them, you will see pictures of guys posed next to their jars of silver and gold coins they found with the product being advertised, right?  So to some, this must therefore be proof positive that dowsing works?  (afterall, how can you argue with a picture proof?  How can you argue with success??).  To that I would answer that.... I suspect .... in each one of those cases ... if you were to scrutinize the stories (assuming they are even true to begin with, far-be-it for any advertiser to use prop's and such):  you would find that these guys a) had a lead (ie.: grandma was supposed to have buried a jar in the barn floor)  b) went to likely looking ruins, foundations, historic places, etc....  c) waves their thing around and of course, point it (subconsciously) in the direction of likely looking spots   d) pull out their metal detector to "pinpoint", and PRESTO they find something!   To me, that proves nothing.  History is filled with stories of people (const. workers, farmers tilling fields, etc...) who accidentally stumble on to buried valuables.  How much MORE SO a TH'r who is specifically following lead, digging random holes around likely looking ruins, with a detector to "pinpoint", not eventually going to stumble on to something?  

In many topics, 'proof' for someone who already believes is not the same as 'proof' for someone who doesn't believe.

Religious books are proof of the religion to believers, and testimony and photos of treasure is proof that dowsing works to dowsing believers.

It's very difficult, if not impossible, to conclusively and repeatably, actually proof or dis-prove the majority of beliefs.
Think of any conspiracy theory, religion, or belief you may think to be far fetched. How would you totally proof or dis-prove it to a complete non-believer. You can't. Not really.

Hence the reliance on Faith.



..which I think just means a lack of critical thought, but that's just me. 

In many topics, 'proof' for someone who already believes is not the same as 'proof' for someone who doesn't believe.

Religious books are proof of the religion to believers, and testimony and photos of treasure is proof that dowsing works to dowsing believers.

It's very difficult, if not impossible, to conclusively and repeatably, actually proof or dis-prove the majority of beliefs.
Think of any conspiracy theory, religion, or belief you may think to be far fetched. How would you totally proof or dis-prove it to a complete non-believer. You can't. Not really.

Hence the reliance on Faith.



..which I think just means a lack of critical thought, but that's just me. 

Yes, that IS just you. Faith is not what you think it is. But if you mean man's reasoning, then I will agree. Faith is the opposite of that.

"Religious books are proof of the religion to believers..."

Not exactly. It's faith in the book that's our proof. And again, faith is not what you think. Faith is the substance, and faith is the evidence, but only to those who have it. Faith is not thinking something might be, but knowing it is.
Again I agree with you. You can't prove it to a nonbeliever.

Saturna, you say:

"It's very difficult, if not impossible, to conclusively and repeatably, actually proof or dis-prove the majority of beliefs".  

Well how do you figure?  I "believe" my metal detector beeps over metal.   And I can show it via a logical flow chart schematic diagram, a flow-chart of electronic principles to show how it works, and demonstrate it over and over and over again (no matter how waves the metal target in the table demo, it will always "beep").    So how can that be "impossible" to prove it works?

But yes, when it comes to dowsing, no such proof and schematics are possible, because yes, it is mystical, superstitious, religous, or whatever you want to call it.   But here's where it gets comical, because if you go down that route (to say it borders on the supernatural), dowsers will immediately try to distance themselves from that (lest they look like they're dabbling into the occult or superstitious or whatever).  And they will immediately launch into a discourse of how the rod is scientifically (albeit future science that is not yet proven) to metal objects via signal lines, ions, magnetism, and all sorts of other creative scientific jargon.  You can't blame them for trying to say there's a scientific non-faith-based reason for their supposed successes.  Because to say otherwise, then they're merely admitting they are dabbling into the spiritual.  And we can't have that can we?    So your post is quite telling that indeed, that any discussion of this topic does indeed always tend to veer to spiritual, mystical, etc....  

I hear dowsers saying that what they do IS spiritual.

Did you dig the street up to confirm you located a water main...or did you know it was there?

Well...I guess you knew the water main was there.

Congratulations on finding something you knew was there.   

Saturna, you say:

"It's very difficult, if not impossible, to conclusively and repeatably, actually proof or dis-prove the majority of beliefs".  

Well how do you figure?  I "believe" my metal detector beeps over metal.   And I can show it via a logical flow chart schematic diagram, a flow-chart of electronic principles to show how it works, and demonstrate it over and over and over again (no matter how waves the metal target in the table demo, it will always "beep").    So how can that be "impossible" to prove it works?

Hi Tom

Yes, I should have been more specific. I was refering to spiritual/metaphysical/religious type things.
Mechanical/electronic things can be shown to work for anybody.

KK
What if two people have an absolute faith and know something to be true, but completely disagree with each other? One of them must be wrong.

  I guess all you eternal doubters never heard of the Spanish Dip Needle.
Why did they dig all those "dips".

  Water witchers have been around for untold centuries.  Ol' Ben Sublett was
a witcher for the railroad.  You may have heard of what he found.

  My Dad got a good water well after a neighbor witched it.  Saved him lots of
water bills.

  Never say "never".

  lastleg

 I guess all you eternal doubters never heard of the Spanish Dip Needle.
Why did they dig all those "dips".

  Water witchers have been around for untold centuries.  Ol' Ben Sublett was
a witcher for the railroad.  You may have heard of what he found.

  My Dad got a good water well after a neighbor witched it.  Saved him lots of
water bills.

  Never say "never".

  lastleg

Are you referring too a Magnetic Dip Needle (a compass pivoted to move) or a forked dowsing wand dowsers call a Spanish Dip Needle?

In regards to locating water via dowsing...it'd be a challenge to NOT find water...in the majority of the United States as opposed to locating water.

I agree that water can be found just about anywhere underground.....but how do you explain the dowsers that can tell EXACTLY how deep to dig, and also tell you the gallons per minute flow of the water. Before any doubters cry "lucky guess! He read the lay of the land! Blah, blah, blah....a member of my family had their land dowsed BY MAP from ANOTHER STATE and got water right where he said to dig......gallons per minute and all.

I agree that water can be found just about anywhere underground.....but how do you explain the dowsers that can tell EXACTLY how deep to dig, and also tell you the gallons per minute flow of the water. Before any doubters cry "lucky guess! He read the lay of the land! Blah, blah, blah....a member of my family had their land dowsed BY MAP from ANOTHER STATE and got water right where he said to dig......gallons per minute and all.

Is there a statistic showing how many dowsers were able to tell exactly how deep to drill a well or what the gallon per minute flow of water would be?

Or...are you making a blanket statement that all water dowsers can tell exactly how deep to drill and what the water flow will be, because you are a proponent of this belief and are trying to "trump up" these abilities?   

  dowsing works 

I agree that water can be found just about anywhere underground.....but how do you explain the dowsers that can tell EXACTLY how deep to dig, and also tell you the gallons per minute flow of the water. Before any doubters cry "lucky guess! He read the lay of the land! Blah, blah, blah....a member of my family had their land dowsed BY MAP from ANOTHER STATE and got water right where he said to dig......gallons per minute and all.

Is there a statistic showing how many dowsers were able to tell exactly how deep to drill a well or what the gallon per minute flow of water would be?

Or...are you making a blanket statement that all water dowsers can tell exactly how deep to drill and what the water flow will be, because you are a proponent of this belief and are trying to "trump up" these abilities?   

Well, I thought my post was pretty much self explanatory....Here ya go, I'll type slower. The...story...in...my...post...above...was...not. ..a...blanket...statement. It...is...a...true...story...that...I...was...wit ness...to. Is that better? Was that more easily understood? I really don't appreciate you implying that the story was trumped up, as you put it. But hey, what else should we expect, right? I mean, in the real world, proof is based on results seen and noted.

I agree that water can be found just about anywhere underground.....but how do you explain the dowsers that can tell EXACTLY how deep to dig, and also tell you the gallons per minute flow of the water. Before any doubters cry "lucky guess! He read the lay of the land! Blah, blah, blah....a member of my family had their land dowsed BY MAP from ANOTHER STATE and got water right where he said to dig......gallons per minute and all.

Is there a statistic showing how many dowsers were able to tell exactly how deep to drill a well or what the gallon per minute flow of water would be?

Or...are you making a blanket statement that all water dowsers can tell exactly how deep to drill and what the water flow will be, because you are a proponent of this belief and are trying to "trump up" these abilities?   

Well, I thought my post was pretty much self explanatory....Here ya go, I'll type slower. The...story...in...my...post...above...was...not. ..a...blanket...statement. It...is...a...true...story...that...I...was...wit ness...to. Is that better? Was that more easily understood? I really don't appreciate you implying that the story was trumped up, as you put it. But hey, what else should we expect, right? I mean, in the real world, proof is based on results seen and noted.

Your question to me was: "but how do you explain the dowsers that can tell EXACTLY how deep to dig, and also tell you the gallons per minute flow of the water"

Without a worksheet of compiled data...or statistics...I cannot explain what is not presented about dowsers that can tell exactly how deep...etc etc.

In regards to your story, again, I was not there and cannot explain who/what/where what you witnessed. I was under the impression you were referring to dowsers in general, and not a single incident 

KK
What if two people have an absolute faith and know something to be true, but completely disagree with each other? One of them must be wrong.

If both know the thing to be true, then what are they disagreeing about?

BE-cause, court is in session.

KK
What if two people have an absolute faith and know something to be true, but completely disagree with each other? One of them must be wrong.

If both know the thing to be true, then what are they disagreeing about?

Hmm, it WAS poorly worded. I'll modify it to - two people who each have an absolute faith and know their own belief to be true,
but each belief is quite different from the other, such as two radically different religions(for want of a better word).

 Listen this is getting old. Religion and faith have nothing to do with dowsing at all. Maybe some holy roller said you gotta have faith to dowse. That is stupid. You do not need faith to walk you need skill.  If you can chew gum and walk you can dowse to some extent.
 What does religion have to do with chewing gum and walking? Nothing.
 I will say there is nothing wrong with religion.
HH
TnMtns

TnMountains, you say:

"Religion and faith have nothing to do with dowsing at all"

Ok then, I assume this means there is a perfectly rational explanation as to why rods move towards treasure.  Pray tell, what is the scientific principle that causes this?  

BTW, you do realize that quite a few dowsers disagree with you (not just hicks & holy rollers)?

Whoa Tom, you just racheted up this topic to a new level.  You got any idea
how many hixx you just insulted?

KK
What if two people have an absolute faith and know something to be true, but completely disagree with each other? One of them must be wrong.

If both know the thing to be true, then what are they disagreeing about?

Hmm, it WAS poorly worded. I'll modify it to - two people who each have an absolute faith and know their own belief to be true,
but each belief is quite different from the other, such as two radically different religions(for want of a better word).

We get back to what faith is. Faith is not subjective. I know that PEOPLE put what we call faith in all sorts of things, but real faith is nothing like what we are raised to believe. It takes the author of the book to show you what he was talking about.

Listen this is getting old. Religion and faith have nothing to do with dowsing at all. Maybe some holy roller said you gotta have faith to dowse. That is stupid. You do not need faith to walk you need skill.  If you can chew gum and walk you can dowse to some extent.
 What does religion have to do with chewing gum and walking? Nothing.
 I will say there is nothing wrong with religion.
HH
TnMtns

TnMountains, you say:

"Religion and faith have nothing to do with dowsing at all"

Ok then, I assume this means there is a perfectly rational explanation as to why rods move towards treasure.  Pray tell, what is the scientific principle that causes this?  

BTW, you do realize that quite a few dowsers disagree with you (not just hicks & holy rollers)?

Whoa Tom, you just racheted up this topic to a new level.  You got any idea
how many hixx you just insulted?

Okay guys, I get it. I'm a hick and a holy roller. I'm proud to be what you call a holy roller. We'll meet again on that one, I can assure you.

The next time you look down on hicks and holy rollers you might not see them. They might be above you. In fact, they already are.

  OK Tom et al:

  If you must know the scientific equation for dousing is as follows

  0006.+a/////////7////////qWWWp-0004.
  Divide by .008
  Subtract .214
  Multiply half of this figure 6.54
  The other half 3.002
  Total is the formula for dousing

  Dowsing is something they do on Wall Street.
 

 

TnMountains, you say:

"Religion and faith have nothing to do with dowsing at all"

Ok then, I assume this means there is a perfectly rational explanation as to why rods move towards treasure.  Pray tell, what is the scientific principle that causes this?  

BTW, you do realize that quite a few dowsers disagree with you (not just hicks & holy rollers)?

 Tom I am just saying my faith has nothing to do with me dowsing water. I am a Christian but I do not believe that God or faith has anything to do with this topic.
  My  beliefs not my faith. If you had read the whole post I said long ago I have no idea how it works. : )

Listen this is getting old. Religion and faith have nothing to do with dowsing at all. Maybe some holy roller said you gotta have faith to dowse. That is stupid. You do not need faith to walk you need skill.  If you can chew gum and walk you can dowse to some extent.
 What does religion have to do with chewing gum and walking? Nothing.
 I will say there is nothing wrong with religion.
HH
TnMtns

TnMountains, you say:

"Religion and faith have nothing to do with dowsing at all"

Ok then, I assume this means there is a perfectly rational explanation as to why rods move towards treasure.  Pray tell, what is the scientific principle that causes this?  

BTW, you do realize that quite a few dowsers disagree with you (not just hicks & holy rollers)?

Whoa Tom, you just racheted up this topic to a new level.  You got any idea
how many hixx you just insulted?

Okay guys, I get it. I'm a hick and a holy roller. I'm proud to be what you call a holy roller. We'll meet again on that one, I can assure you.

The next time you look down on hicks and holy rollers you might not see them. They might be above you. In fact, they already are.

 Kentucky I never said you were a Holy Roller or a hick,lol.(be like calling the kettle black) Does anyone read what is written in the threads? I said "Maybe some Holy Roller said you have to have faith thats stupid". That is what I said. Its funny I hunted today and took my pastor and on the ride back I was telling him about this topic. He said what does faith have to do with dowsing? Does it only mean Christians can dowse? What about Jewish people or Cathlocs or even Hindus? What Faith dowses best? Point is Religion has  nothing to do with dowsing.
 It has to be scientific. Anybody google this yet??

sounds neet  i'v read about it but though the same thing you did.  i though you would need speical rods or something? but i do have welding rods so maybe ill try it ..

dont know if i would actually have a need to find water living on the east coast  but, it would be neet to see if it really works just because.

Coat hangers will work as well.

Of course dowsing works ......it has always worked....and will continue to work.   And just because some do not believe it, or cant get the hang of it, or don't understand it, doesn't keep it from working for others.

I don't know exactly how it works either, but that hasn't stopped it.  

Our own military uses it.  

The various branches of the U.S. military has trained select servicemen in the art of dowsing. The credit for introducing dowsing to the military goes to Louis Matacia, a dowser and professional land surveyor who demonstrated to the top brass what could be done by utilizing dowsers on the field of battle. During the Vietnamese war, the U.S. marines were able to find the Viet Cong's underground tunnels with the help of dowsing marines. The men in the field came to rely on the dowsers more so than on the sophisticated instrumentation because of their high rate of accuracy. Even today, the various branches of the U.S. military continue to train some men in the art of dowsing. Little did the Viet Cong know that the "secret weapon" they felt the U.S. military had to locate and destroy their system of underground tunnels were men in the field with dowsing rods !

http://accessnewage.com/articles/mystic/DOWSING1.HTM

GG~

I agree Goodguy. There's more to our ability to perceive what's around us than meets the conscious eye. Two many times we have walked with our detectors to an exact spot, turned them on, and bingo, there is the find of the day, with hours of nothing found afterwards. Fine tuning our perception seems like what must take place, with the machine (or in the case of water, a willow wand) only a link in the chain that can sometimes help bypass the conscious.

A guy I know had a pet squirrel who would dig silver. Every week the thing would bring some silver coin or other object home that it had dug. it seems that what might have taken place was some sensitivity to salts in the air produced by buried silver. Who knows, maybe we have the same ability to "smell" water, and the wand is little more than a substitute for one of the "watches on a chain" that a hypnotist uses to get you  into a different mindset. People who've gone deaf or gone blind very often become aware that their other senses are more enhanced (but actually may have always been)  Dowsing could be just a means to "cut through the noise".

I agree Goodguy. There's more to our ability to perceive what's around us than meets the conscious eye. Two many times we have walked with our detectors to an exact spot, turned them on, and bingo, there is the find of the day, with hours of nothing found afterwards. Fine tuning our perception seems like what must take place, with the machine (or in the case of water, a willow wand) only a link in the chain that can sometimes help bypass the conscious.

A guy I know had a pet squirrel who would dig silver. Every week the thing would bring some silver coin or other object home that it had dug. it seems that what might have taken place was some sensitivity to salts in the air produced by buried silver. Who knows, maybe we have the same ability to "smell" water, and the wand is little more than a substitute for one of the "watches on a chain" that a hypnotist uses to get you  into a different mindset. People who've gone deaf or gone blind very often become aware that their other senses are more enhanced (but actually may have always been)  Dowsing could be just a means to "cut through the noise".

Your explanation is as good as any I have heard, and it sounds plausible

GG~

Cool, this thread has heated up.  Dowsin is not connected with religion at all.  It works for some folks and it don't for others.  It don't for me.  With all the technology we got now, dowsin should be obsolete.  I will point out another thing.  Don't call people hicks.  And do not refer to folks of the Pentecostal faith as 'holy rollers'.  That is considered  derogatory and demeaning.  I speak from growin up in that culture.  It is considered the same as calling a black person a n-word to us.  It's alright to argue and disagree, and challenge beliefs and ideas, cause it turns out we learn a lot from that.  But don't use terms that belittle folks to make you feel like that you're just a little more educated and refined and better than us.  After all, we all got the government to do that.

Cool, this thread has heated up.  Dowsin is not connected with religion at all.  It works for some folks and it don't for others.  It don't for me.  With all the technology we got now, dowsin should be obsolete.  I will point out another thing.  Don't call people hicks.  And do not refer to folks of the Pentecostal faith as 'holy rollers'.  That is considered  derogatory and demeaning.  I speak from growin up in that culture.  It is considered the same as calling a black person a n-word to us.  It's alright to argue and disagree, and challenge beliefs and ideas, cause it turns out we learn a lot from that.  But don't use terms that belittle folks to make you feel like that you're just a little more educated and refined and better than us.  After all, we all got the government to do that.

I am with you Rginn.
Totally uncalled for, of course I just consider the source and try to overlook it.   

GG~

I am really surprised he clicked "Post" that time, however he's entitled to one
mistake.

Cool, this thread has heated up.  Dowsin is not connected with religion at all.  It works for some folks and it don't for others.  It don't for me.  With all the technology we got now, dowsin should be obsolete.  I will point out another thing.  Don't call people hicks.  And do not refer to folks of the Pentecostal faith as 'holy rollers'.  That is considered  derogatory and demeaning.  I speak from growin up in that culture.  It is considered the same as calling a black person a n-word to us.  It's alright to argue and disagree, and challenge beliefs and ideas, cause it turns out we learn a lot from that.  But don't use terms that belittle folks to make you feel like that you're just a little more educated and refined and better than us.  After all, we all got the government to do that.

I am with you Rginn.
Totally uncalled for, of course I just consider the source and try to overlook it.   

GG~

Cool, this thread has heated up.  Dowsin is not connected with religion at all.  It works for some folks and it don't for others.  It don't for me.  With all the technology we got now, dowsin should be obsolete.  I will point out another thing.  Don't call people hicks.  And do not refer to folks of the Pentecostal faith as 'holy rollers'.  That is considered  derogatory and demeaning.  I speak from growin up in that culture.  It is considered the same as calling a black person a n-word to us.  It's alright to argue and disagree, and challenge beliefs and ideas, cause it turns out we learn a lot from that.  But don't use terms that belittle folks to make you feel like that you're just a little more educated and refined and better than us.  After all, we all got the government to do that.

RGINN
 I hope you were not saying that I called anyone a hick. I did not. I did use the term holy roller as it has always meant to me someone who thought they were "Holier than thou". I never associated it with the Pentecostal faith and I would never belittle someones religion and I am familiar with the teachings of the Holy Spirit. However I do have a problem with people that have the attitude of "Holier that thou" and act as if they are better than average folks. I should have googled the term before using it. My mistake and I stand corrected. Thank you.
 Have seen people witch and use divining rods to dowse for many years. I can dowse to some extent so the subject is not beyond me. I have religion and I have faith in my ability but I feel there is some science at play in this,,,,,art?
 Thank you.

 

I won't even consider religion no more in context with dowsing.  I still think dowsing works, but not for me.  And it could be that those guys are just incredibly lucky, or they might be in locations where you couldn't miss.  I don't question it.  I like the bird seed, peanut butter, tennis shoe challenge.  There is a certain logic to that argument that is hard to refute.  And a dowser will protect you in a mine field.  If you follow him at a safe distance.  Up to a point anyway, then you'll have to find a new dowser.

.  And a dowser will protect you in a mine field.  If you follow him at a safe distance.  Up to a point anyway, then you'll have to find a new dowser.

I do not want to go first 

[believe]

I won't even consider religion no more in context with dowsing.  I still think dowsing works, but not for me.  And it could be that those guys are just incredibly lucky, or they might be in locations where you couldn't miss.  I don't question it.  I like the bird seed, peanut butter, tennis shoe challenge.  There is a certain logic to that argument that is hard to refute.  And a dowser will protect you in a mine field.  If you follow him at a safe distance.  Up to a point anyway, then you'll have to find a new dowser.

Excellent post, RGINN.  I can't agree with your belief of dowsing, but I agree with you in that some dowsers are in locations where they just can't miss.  It makes perfect sense.  And Tom's tennis shoe hypothesis is a great analogy to dowsing, I think.  Perfectly logical, if a lot of folks would really stop to think about it.  Dowsers, unfortunately, seem to have really thin skin, and immediately assume Tom is mocking them with the idea.

And for everyone who is saying "Dowsing is not a religion," I don't believe that statement has been made here.  I certainly didn't say that.

My statement (can't speak for everyone) is that dowsing is like religion, given that a lot of dowsers like to say that you have to believe in it in order to be able to dowse properly, describing it as a faith-based activity.  Of course, when this comparison is made, most of them try to backpedal about that statement.

A lot of dowsers also like to say that dowsing has a firm foundation in science, and that there are solid scientific reasons it should work, but this evidence has never been produced.  This is why dowsing has so many skeptics, because of statements like "You have to believe it will work in order to dowse," and "Dowsing is perfectly scientific, I just can't tell you how."

Has anyone here tried Astrology?

the tennis shoe landed on a spot, I dug and found a Morgan LMAO