A Rare 16th Century Spoon Mold Find!

Yep Colonial spoon mold= BANNER!!!!
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Swingit

Here are the other finds cleaned up.The one button I didn't even know had the looks like hemp leaf design on it.

All good stuff...can't wait to see this one on the banner!

Here are the other finds cleaned up.The one button I didn't even know had the looks like hemp leaf design on it.

Quite a common tombac button design (the sixth leaf is worn off, not hemp like)

maybe the lift to the banner is broken again

maybe the lift to the banner is broken again

Might be buddy, Thanks on the button call I didn't think they ran around back then with pot on there clothes  More 21th century for that.But they probably smoke some back then with the old indians No I'm going back tomorrow and see what else comes of this site.Big place and a little far to drive but will see if that other piece is there.

maybe the lift to the banner is broken again

Might be buddy, Thanks on the button call I didn't think they ran around back then with pot on there clothes  More 21th century for that.But they probably smoke some back then with the old indians No I'm going back tomorrow and see what else comes of this site.Big place and a little far to drive but will see if that other piece is there.

A little far to drive, heck I might fly over soon

maybe the lift to the banner is broken again

Might be buddy, Thanks on the button call I didn't think they ran around back then with pot on there clothes  More 21th century for that.But they probably smoke some back then with the old indians No I'm going back tomorrow and see what else comes of this site.Big place and a little far to drive but will see if that other piece is there.

A little far to drive, heck I might fly over soon

Man you gonna trade those great finds in to come here and find this old U.S. stuff  Come On now I was Born at Night But Not Last Night
Your welcome anytime friend!

"Seriously, I'm going to stick my neck out & say this could very well be the earliest spoon mold ever found in the whole USA/Canada.  Historial doesn't come close to explaining the tales this one could tell.  NB.  Just becuase it might be 16th C doesn't mean that it didn't go out of fashion & then was purchased second hand (100 years old) & carried to the US as a good starting kit for the new settlers. "

You did well to stick your neck out Crusader. Right now we can only speculate on its exact provenance, but the nearness to the Jamestown settlement might be to a key to some  exact identification. There are a wealth of finds rthere to research. The score lines on along the handle are unique like fingerprints and can be matched if other like objects exist.

Johnnyi...that would be a Fantastic result for Pete and I hope you are right on this one the earliest one I have found reference to is 1710 this is one of the oldest spoon moulds found in the US if TKs find precedes this time era....well I can't imagine the enormity of the find

http://town.glasct.org/hissoc/Museum/displays.html


SS

Neat site once Again SS!

I voted BANNER!!!! I'm surprised it hasn't already moved up.  Hopefully very soon.  Again..... AWESOME find!!!

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

I know friend what your saying but I've been down this road before with them.I staying cool this time not worth me getting all worked up about.Same deal there with Iron Patch Makes me feel bad but It's not in my hand the forum.But the mold is and that my friend is what counts.I hope I can find it tomorrow.Thanks RPG. Will see!

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

I know friend what your saying but I've been down this road before with them.I staying cool this time not worth me getting all worked up about.Same deal there with Iron Patch Makes me feel bad but It's not in my hand the forum.But the mold is and that my friend is what counts.I hope I can find it tomorrow.Thanks RPG. Will see!

I am wishing you luck in finding the other half, Pete!   You'll at least be busy digging Spanish cut silvers and King George coppers tomorrow!   There very well may be another 1700s two skillings, too!

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

I know friend what your saying but I've been down this road before with them.I staying cool this time not worth me getting all worked up about.Same deal there with Iron Patch Makes me feel bad but It's not in my hand the forum.But the mold is and that my friend is what counts.I hope I can find it tomorrow.Thanks RPG. Will see!

I am wishing you luck in finding the other half, Pete!   You'll at least be busy digging Spanish cut silvers and King George coppers tomorrow!   There very well may be another 1700s two skillings, too!

Thanks Buddy,I'm gonna try mainly on the mold with this 1500 Gti I can take the one half and program it in so it only picks similar item up.Don't use that feature much but will tomorrow.If no good I'll switch back and find me something I know.

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

I know friend what your saying but I've been down this road before with them.I staying cool this time not worth me getting all worked up about.Same deal there with Iron Patch Makes me feel bad but It's not in my hand the forum.But the mold is and that my friend is what counts.I hope I can find it tomorrow.Thanks RPG. Will see!

Yeap. That's a great way to look at it. That one is yours and that is all that counts. I wish you luck tomorrow finding the other half. Wish I could go with you. I would love to see the other piece come out of the ground. Even if I found it, it's yours. That's two pieces that can't be separated.  

Good luck
Randy

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

I know friend what your saying but I've been down this road before with them.I staying cool this time not worth me getting all worked up about.Same deal there with Iron Patch Makes me feel bad but It's not in my hand the forum.But the mold is and that my friend is what counts.I hope I can find it tomorrow.Thanks RPG. Will see!

I am wishing you luck in finding the other half, Pete!   You'll at least be busy digging Spanish cut silvers and King George coppers tomorrow!   There very well may be another 1700s two skillings, too!

Man, I sure hope this "find the other half" idea can get nipped in the bud and doesn't become some prerequisite for appreciating the enormity of this find. The other half may be found, or it may not be. It doesn't really matter in a situation like this when "half" is far more than the vast majorities of "wholes".

 

Found another usefull link Pete, your pattern might be here perhaps B

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/bessdarnley/Spoon.pdf

SS

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

I know friend what your saying but I've been down this road before with them.I staying cool this time not worth me getting all worked up about.Same deal there with Iron Patch Makes me feel bad but It's not in my hand the forum.But the mold is and that my friend is what counts.I hope I can find it tomorrow.Thanks RPG. Will see!

I am wishing you luck in finding the other half, Pete!   You'll at least be busy digging Spanish cut silvers and King George coppers tomorrow!   There very well may be another 1700s two skillings, too!

Man, I sure hope this "find the other half" idea can get nipped in the bud and doesn't become some prerequisite for appreciating the enormity of this find. The other half may be found, or it may not be. It doesn't really matter in a situation like this when "half" is far more than the vast majorities of "wholes".

I agree but I really hope the other half is found. This is a great historical find and it would be nice to see the two pieces reunited. I would think a relic of that size (if in the same vicinity) could be found. Should sound like a beer can from a foot deep.  

Found another usefull link Pete, your pattern might be here perhaps B

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/bessdarnley/Spoon.pdf

SS

Oh WOW. That's pretty dam close. 

That's a very nice bottle and ring up top but I really can't believe they made it before this.  

Maybe they're waiting for the other half. We all know the other half is out there. You really need to find it.  

I'm not saying the bottle and ring don't deserve to be there, They are both banner finds IMO.  

Randy

I know friend what your saying but I've been down this road before with them.I staying cool this time not worth me getting all worked up about.Same deal there with Iron Patch Makes me feel bad but It's not in my hand the forum.But the mold is and that my friend is what counts.I hope I can find it tomorrow.Thanks RPG. Will see!

I am wishing you luck in finding the other half, Pete!   You'll at least be busy digging Spanish cut silvers and King George coppers tomorrow!   There very well may be another 1700s two skillings, too!

Man, I sure hope this "find the other half" idea can get nipped in the bud and doesn't become some prerequisite for appreciating the enormity of this find. The other half may be found, or it may not be. It doesn't really matter in a situation like this when "half" is far more than the vast majorities of "wholes".

I agree but I really hope the other half is found. This is a great historical find and it would be nice to see the two pieces reunited. I would think a relic of that size (if in the same vicinity) could be found. Should sound like a beer can from a foot deep.  

Right on this one did and was almost that deep.But boy this ground this stuff is coming from is hard as a brick bat.Need a Jackhammer No lie!

Found another usefull link Pete, your pattern might be here perhaps B

http://webzoom.freewebs.com/bessdarnley/Spoon.pdf

SS

Boy that is a Super site that time SS, and it does help me understand the types thanks much on this one. Your Good Friend! Great Help! 

[John 3:16]

I was first going to say c. 1680-1720, but it would appear the acorn top spoon design was popular c. 1400-1650 or so.   Since early folks threw nothing away, and they were no where near as fickle as modern consumers, they had every reason to carry a perfectly good spoon mold with them on a voyage.  I would imagine they were pretty expensive in their day. 

Be sure to take a photo of the dig site, print it out, and write down as much info about the digging location as you can.  Keep it with the mold always.  You've got some real history here.

Be sure to take a photo of the dig site, print it out, and write down as much info about the digging location as you can.  Keep it with the mold always.  You've got some real history here.

Absolutely. 

I was first going to say c. 1680-1720, but it would appear the acorn top spoon design was popular c. 1400-1650 or so.   Since early folks threw nothing away, and they were no where near as fickle as modern consumers, they had every reason to carry a perfectly good spoon mold with them on a voyage.  I would imagine they were pretty expensive in their day. 

Be sure to take a photo of the dig site, print it out, and write down as much info about the digging location as you can.  Keep it with the mold always.  You've got some real history here.

Agreed.  A cheap GPS would be the best bet

I don't understand your Laws but this needs a Museum/Pewter Spoon experts opinion.  Either one would pop their eyes out on this one.

This IS breaking News - This is one of those rare moments we are all lucky to be involved in, &......the banner bust.

[Be sure to take a photo of the dig site, print it out, and write down as much info about the digging location as you can.]

I was first going to say c. 1680-1720, but it would appear the acorn top spoon design was popular c. 1400-1650 or so.   Since early folks threw nothing away, and they were no where near as fickle as modern consumers, they had every reason to carry a perfectly good spoon mold with them on a voyage.  I would imagine they were pretty expensive in their day. 

Be sure to take a photo of the dig site, print it out, and write down as much info about the digging location as you can.  Keep it with the mold always.  You've got some real history here.

And then send the BOLD information to me via email   
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Still hoping this gets on the BANNER!!!!!

Pete,

Good luck today, bud. You deserve to find whatever is in that Colonial dirt.

Kirk

very nice finds

I'm going to keep bumping this all year, if I have to.

Tnet sort it out

This is breaking news which any US TV programme would be proud of (well at least the history channel).

nothing to add,  banner bump

I held off replying until I heard back from a individual who I thought might shed some more light on the spoon, but not much really except for what he says and a book he suggests getting a hold of.

Here is an excerpt of the reply from a curator at Williamsburg Va:

This is an early spoon mold, and is thus somewhat rare.  It is a relatively common form for a 17th c. spoon, and it should be easy to find surviving examples in books.  There’s one volume that comes to mind, called something like “Four Hundred Years of Base Metal Spoons” which should provide all the answers.

Sure is bewildering that a rare relic such as this is not on top    

Don


 

Just getting on here.Don Very Thankful for your repley and time you spent on this as alot of these guy's on here use you for these tough finds you are spoke of fond on here as many tell me they get there info. from you.  I have also sent out emails to the Smithsonian and 3 other museums with pic to some.But no replies yet!As for your info thanks might be getting somewhere with this. :thumbsup:As for banner Maybe they have drawer fulls of them home!

It's nice that you heard back Don, and that rarity is confirmed. It's unfortunate though that this perhaps wasn't given a closer look, as if we follow the advice and search books on these pewter acorn spoons, we find that they were made in the 16th, rather than 17th century. Perhaps the unlikelyhood that a design as early as this would ever be found here could cause such an oversite. The other possibility is he was talking about when the spoon made from the mold was in use, rather than the date of the mold iteself.

At any rate, any one of us here can google 17th century spoon. We find spoons of this general design. When we occasionally see the acorn finial and follow up on it we find it is 16th century (or a knockoff made by a company without historic credentials. When we google " pewter acorn spoon" however, we invariably find spoons of this specific design made in the 16th century and earlier. (the Christies example posted early in this thread is but one example).

Even if we were to accept that this is the "common spoon" of the 1600's rather than 1500's, (again, the common spoon does NOT have the acorn finial)  we can get a pretty good idea about the meaning of the word "common" considering it's doubtful any of us have found an intact example of a pewter spoon which was not the later "rat tail".  How rare a find on the terms of a detectorist does that make a mold used to make one? !!!

I'm waiting for a reply from the curator of the Jamestowjn Museum for an opinion. That museum's artifacts are a hundred years earlier, yet still a hundred years after the probable date of the mold. I'll post more when I hear something.

But without that further information, and with the little, yet possitive information we've now learned from the curator at Williamsburg, I have to echo your words,

"Sure is bewildering that a rare relic such as this is not on top." 



 

Jonnyi same as the above statement very thankful to you as well.Big Help Guy's!

OK, here is what I consider rather definite proof that the acorn spoons were from the time period Johnny has been stating. (This books states early part of 16th Century or perhaps earlier) This is probably part of the oldest known mold in North America if without a doubt the paterrn is a Acorn knops type, which it sure appears to be from the photos.

Look at pages 21-23

http://books.google.com/books?id=oB...spoons#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Don

OK, here is what I consider rather definite proof that the acorn spoons were from the time period Johnny has been stating. (This books states early part of 16th Century or perhaps earlier) This is probably part of the oldest known mold in North America if without a doubt the paterrn is a Acorn knops type, which it sure appears to be from the photos.

Look at pages 21-23

http://books.google.com/books?id=oB...spoons#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Don

   I'm not too bothered if its mid-16th or mid-17th, its a bloody banner find (massive full stop)

OK, here is what I consider rather definite proof that the acorn spoons were from the time period Johnny has been stating. (This books states early part of 16th Century or perhaps earlier) This is probably part of the oldest known mold in North America if without a doubt the paterrn is a Acorn knops type, which it sure appears to be from the photos.

Look at pages 21-23

http://books.google.com/books?id=oB...spoons#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Don

The link I posted, dates Acorn Spoons as early as the 15 century ...1400 hundreds

SS

How is this not on the banner??? 

How is this not on the banner??? 

I haven't got a scooby doo

B-A-N-N-E-R

I'm still very confused as to why this is still not on the BANNER.  It's one of the most historically significant finds I've seen posted on here in a couple of years.

I'm surprised it's not there too

here are some more pics. guy's maybe help!

I'm still very confused as to why this is still not on the BANNER.  It's one of the most historically significant finds I've seen posted on here in a couple of years.

Exactly, I would gladly swap all my banners for this one being up there.  We have layers of history to find & they all melt into each other.  This one is the start of modern America & stands out as a story of an individual who took the risk of sailing dangerous sea's to start a new life in an unknown world with the few tools he/she saw fit to start a colony. etc....etc...

If I wanted to buy this I might offer the sort of price that Tnet is advertising at

Should be possible to find specimens made from the mold with just pics of the 'front' with that crack in the mold.  Hopefully it was always there.  Would make id'ing examples pretty easy without much other comparing.

Should be possible to find specimens made from the mold with just pics of the 'front' with that crack in the mold.  Hopefully it was always there.  Would make id'ing examples pretty easy without much other comparing.

very true, good point.  Lets hope they are out there in museums or Private collections from known sites.

The breeches knee buckle is really nice too 

The breeches knee buckle is really nice too  

 your looking at what

OK, here is what I consider rather definite proof that the acorn spoons were from the time period Johnny has been stating. (This books states early part of 16th Century or perhaps earlier) This is probably part of the oldest known mold in North America if without a doubt the paterrn is a Acorn knops type, which it sure appears to be from the photos.

Look at pages 21-23

http://books.google.com/books?id=oB...spoons#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Don

Don I have read the site you give for info.I have the mold in my hand as I read about it.Now with what I read and with what I see there is no differents in how they describe the spoons in the site with the mold in my hand.I very well understand why you say what you say as I can not find one reason it is not a mold for that type spoon they describe.From the angled stem they speak of, to the acorn, to knopps on top.All plainly stated in the info.With all kidding aside on the banner crap.This futher makes me wonder what could really be there at this site.Rather appreiated or not by some this is now my most important find even the token don't hold up to this if a person takes a breath and really thinks about what this find could mean being found where I did.By what I read the only way I see that this could not mean something big is if it was used for a very long time from when it was made.Or someone's screwed the history up on the spoons.Doughtful but that's the choices I'm left with.Do you see another?If it's dabateble I'd like to know how.As far as I'm conserned from this site you give those spoons were made from a mold just like this one.And I'm not just saying that cause I found it, it is just a fact from the way they talk in that site about those spoons.Look thanks alot on your help on this.Some people I show this mold to come off as big deal spoon mold but to me it's ? all the way.It has turned into something very fascinating to me now.Well I'll quit jibber jabbering and end this.
                                            THANKS!

OK, here is what I consider rather definite proof that the acorn spoons were from the time period Johnny has been stating. (This books states early part of 16th Century or perhaps earlier) This is probably part of the oldest known mold in North America if without a doubt the paterrn is a Acorn knops type, which it sure appears to be from the photos.

Look at pages 21-23

http://books.google.com/books?id=oB...spoons#v=onepage&q=&f=false

Don

Don I have read the site you give for info.I have the mold in my hand as I read about it.Now with what I read and with what I see there is no differents in how they describe the spoons in the site with the mold in my hand.I very well understand why you say what you say as I can not find one reason it is not a mold for that type spoon they describe.From the angled stem they speak of, to the acorn, to knopps on top.All plainly stated in the info.With all kidding aside on the banner crap.This futher makes me wonder what could really be there at this site.Rather appreiated or not by some this is now my most important find even the token don't hold up to this if a person takes a breath and really thinks about what this find could mean being found where I did.By what I read the only way I see that this could not mean something big is if it was used for a very long time from when it was made.Or someone's screwed the history up on the spoons.Doughtful but that's the choices I'm left with.Do you see another?If it's dabateble I'd like to know how.As far as I'm conserned from this site you give those spoons were made from a mold just like this one.And I'm not just saying that cause I found it, it is just a fact from the way they talk in that site about those spoons.Look thanks alot on your help on this.Some people I show this mold to come off as big deal spoon mold but to me it's ? all the way.It has turned into something very fascinating to me now.Well I'll quit jibber jabbering and end this.
                                            THANKS!

Bear in mind the following:
A well made Bronze mold like this could be used for hundreds of years.  The crack could indicate an over use of it (or a defect at manufacture, hard to tell).
My gut feeling on this is that it was used in the UK for a very long time, before going out of fashion & then taken overseas as a start up kit.  Lets face it, fashion was less of an issue when in a survivial situation.  When you start getting more evidence (dateable material) of an early date then you may have a very exciting site (more so than you have already proved of course), for now don't assume that becauses its likely 1500s that the site is as well.

I vote banner, here is one I found that is quite similiar  http://www.carolescountry.com/A_PEWTER_Store/A_PEWTER_all_items.html

Wow that looks like a fantastic spot you found.  Can't wait to see what else you find.

Congrats

Sure does belong up on the Banner.

I vote banner, here is one I found that is quite similiar  http://www.carolescountry.com/A_PEWTER_Store/A_PEWTER_all_items.html

It is a good link though because it got me thinking, it quotes:
'This 17th century style spoon was based on a piece recovered at Jamestown, VA. in 1609. Measures 6 inches'

If it were based on a Acorn topped pewter spoon found at Jamestown, then do they possibly have one made by this mold?  They need to be contacted, I would suggest, just in case!

I have been doing some research this morning and have found an interesting site.

http://www.gregorylefever.com/pdfs/Pewter%20Tableware2.pdf

The whole site has very interesting information especially about how it was illegal for pewterers to make things in the early colonies. Makes me think that maybe the owner of the mold was breaking the law making spoons with this mold. But even more interesting information is found when you scroll about 3/4th way down the page in a green section on today's pewterers and their collection of antique molds. They don't seem to have any dated prior to 1650 in their collection. Music to my ears! 

I vote banner, here is one I found that is quite similiar  http://www.carolescountry.com/A_PEWTER_Store/A_PEWTER_all_items.html

It is a good link though because it got me thinking, it quotes:
'This 17th century style spoon was based on a piece recovered at Jamestown, VA. in 1609. Measures 6 inches'

If it were based on a Acorn topped pewter spoon found at Jamestown, then do they possibly have one made by this mold?  They need to be contacted, I would suggest, just in case!

You beat me to it...

 

Wow Pete, I just caught this post after being away for a few days. I've got several friends down around Goldsboro that you're REALLY making me want to visit  !!

You are coming up fast in the Colonial world, with some recoveries far surpassing many I've seen since I've gotten into the forums a few years back. The history you recover is nothing short of unbelievable in and of itself.

I hereby nominate Timekiller Pete himself for the banner, for his continued ability and dedication to locating early American artifacts, and his perseverance while not being seen at the top!

That spoon mold and all the history lessons in this thread are amazing! Thanks to all the researchers for locating and sharing the information with us all!

Josh Sherman

GREAT Banner find!!!!!

I held off replying until I heard back from a individual who I thought might shed some more light on the spoon, but not much really except for what he says and a book he suggests getting a hold of.

Here is an excerpt of the reply from a curator at Williamsburg Va:

This is an early spoon mold, and is thus somewhat rare.  It is a relatively common form for a 17th c. spoon, and it should be easy to find surviving examples in books.  There’s one volume that comes to mind, called something like “Four Hundred Years of Base Metal Spoons” which should provide all the answers.

Sure is bewildering that a rare relic such as this is not on top    

Don


 

yet a common bottle is on banner..wtf?

wow! Awesome finds! Especially the spoon mold!

Thanks Guy's But I've been tring to stay out of this post as it makes me feel evil just looking!
 But here is what I've found out on it from a archaeologist who has worked with MEL FISHER and on other wrecks up and down the east coast,latest being the QUEEN ANN'S REVENGE! He told me in his opinion it's a period piece!He was also kind enough to take me behind the seens to show me why.With books that I could never think of buying in the hundreds of dollars.He was kind enough also to make me copies! Thank to him again!
Now my wife spent one whole day e-mailing people all over the U.S. I'm talking people who do work for the WHITE HOUSE and they collect molds all say they have never seen nothing that old and have know ideas.There oldest I think was 1650 not sure can't remember now! But here is my proof and until someone comes up with something different that is were it stands.
My mold is 61/2inches the spoon it made would had been 6 1/4inces!

More info.

As I said, I think you have the oldest dug example in the whole of the USA

Curious as to why this isn't on the Banner?

Its not round and payable to others 

I think that the spoon on j peg 12 was sold at a christies auction here   http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/...=3&intObjectID=4894507&sid= and here is another interesting link   http://webzoom.freewebs.com/bessdarnley/Spoon.pdf   if it was reburied and found by an archie would it be up there?

"Curious as to why this isn't on the Banner?"

Funny how many forum members have asked the exact same thing.   

Maybe it's too good for the banner. 

There are some awesome and valuable finds on the banner but this rates with the best of them, if not "THE" best ever posted on T-Net. 

I sure would like to see the other half. 

"Curious as to why this isn't on the Banner?"

Funny how many forum members have asked the exact same thing.   

Maybe it's too good for the banner. 

There are some awesome and valuable finds on the banner but this rates with the best of them, if not "THE" best ever posted on T-Net. 

I sure would like to see the other half. 

And I sure would like to find it!  

Curious as to why this isn't on the Banner?

No clue    This will go down as the greatest find to not make the banner.  Very strange

['Extremely Rare']

Curious as to why this isn't on the Banner?

No clue    This will go down as the greatest find to not make the banner.  Very strange

Agreed.

The title of this post could factually be changed to 'Extremely Rare'  (rare doesn't match this item), specially as its most likely the only one of this age ever recorded in the US.

It just need one more Banner Vote 

Has anyone actually asked a mod why this isn't on the banner?

Has anyone actually asked a mod why this isn't on the banner?

Should we need to?  Maybe they can add to this post & explain?

Banner Bump.

Has anyone actually asked a mod why this isn't on the banner?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index....c,217089.msg1567456.html#msg1567456

These are the reasons given, mostly its the wrong shape picture

Has anyone actually asked a mod why this isn't on the banner?

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index....c,217089.msg1567456.html#msg1567456

These are the reasons given, mostly its the wrong shape picture

Actually, the banner size is 80 x 80.  Just resize.   

Bottom line on this now for me is that I would like for it to be known. Is that you members on here are great.You guy's are VERY BIG HELP TO PEOPLE! And to me thats just nice to know in todays WORLD! People caring and sharing is something in todays world (RARE in it self.) I was told something like this last time with the token to only get a NEW Camera and find the old pic. be used.So if it's the shape of these pics. these are only resized no croping on them. Guy's once again I'm HONORED by you.But just wish these things could be solved before all of this.In the future if I post any more I'll remember this problem.So that I can do my part to my best for you!

Bottom line on this now for me is that I would like for it to be known. Is that you members on here are great.You guy's are VERY BIG HELP TO PEOPLE! And to me thats just nice to know in todays WORLD! People caring and sharing is something in todays world (RARE in it self.) I was told something like this last time with the token to only get a NEW Camera and find the old pic. be used.So if it's the shape of these pics. these are only resized no croping on them. Guy's once again I'm HONORED by you.But just wish these things could be solved before all of this.In the future if I post any more I'll remember this problem.So that I can do my part to my best for you!

Excellent pictures, honestly one of the most amazing conditioned Extremely Rare 16th Century item I have seen (full stop)
If I had found it I might have to take it to bed with me

I'll bet the new pictures will get you on the BANNER!!!! No doubt in my mind!!!

Bottom line on this now for me is that I would like for it to be known. Is that you members on here are great.You guy's are VERY BIG HELP TO PEOPLE! And to me thats just nice to know in todays WORLD! People caring and sharing is something in todays world (RARE in it self.) I was told something like this last time with the token to only get a NEW Camera and find the old pic. be used.So if it's the shape of these pics. these are only resized no croping on them. Guy's once again I'm HONORED by you.But just wish these things could be solved before all of this.In the future if I post any more I'll remember this problem.So that I can do my part to my best for you!

Pete, I really like how you included those beautiful flowers, in the pictures above, to show your sensitive side.   My Colonial mind is telling me that they are your wife's.   I bet, if it were up to you, your patio would be decorated with Colonial buckles and sharp-edged pottery sherds.   You know, something more manly for someone of your detecting caliber.

I do really hope this gets up on the banner now, Pete.  The rarity of this find is up there with the best of the best that are already on the banner.

Kyle

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How do I vote Banner?

In the original starter post, there's a "Report this Post/Nominate for Banner" option under TK's avatar. Click it!! 

In the original starter post, there's a "Report this Post/Nominate for Banner" option under TK's avatar. Click it!! 

Thanks jrsherman  Maybe my first vote didn't count  I was able to submit vote again 

My 3rd Banner vote. WTF???      

My 3rd Banner vote. WTF???      

I don't know buddy, I thinking of taking it and reburying it. Maybe for someone 400-500yrs from now will find it.It must be to old I swear I can't get museums to answer me back either. But with there address it don't allow pics.So mabe they think I'm blowing smoke!  Anyway the soga continues! It's not up there but has had enough hit's that I know it's been seen by most on here so I'm happy with that! 

 

Your a bit emotional tonight mate

 

Pete....no wonder your find is not on the Banner look what happened to the Handy Banner man on his way there

Pete....no wonder your find is not on the Banner look what happened to the Handy Banner man on his way there

 

Pete....no wonder your find is not on the Banner look what happened to the Handy Banner man on his way there

SS that's

In the original starter post, there's a "Report this Post/Nominate for Banner" option under TK's avatar. Click it!! 

Thanks jrsherman  Maybe my first vote didn't count  I was able to submit vote again 

Does it matter whether I vote Banner?

My 3rd Banner vote. WTF???      

In the original starter post, there's a "Report this Post/Nominate for Banner" option under TK's avatar. Click it!! 

Thanks jrsherman  Maybe my first vote didn't count  I was able to submit vote again 

Does it matter whether I vote Banner?

My 3rd Banner vote. WTF???      

It all helps, so yes.  However, its probably too late for this one, but its worth a go

The 16th century lasted from 1501 to 1600........but i think i know what you mean.

The 16th century lasted from 1501 to 1600........but i think i know what you mean.

That's exactly what he means jorge. This specific design is from the 1500's.

Banner bump.

Let's keep this one alive...

Thanks guy's for your dedication and concerns on this as I have got some news this morning from a contact that is a MASTER PEWTER, and if he gives me the go ahead I'll post what he told me.I'm waiting on him to give me the word.I can say this much we won't be dissappointed.  




 Ps    Just to be clear. It is on the age of the mold is what he sent.  *16th century*
        And possible maker! *English*
   

We are all rooting for you !  (bump)

Others have long ago proved this relics rarity, age, and value, but I echo everyone else on the forum's sentiments, and hope this find gets the recognition that is way overdue.

Sure that buddy, With what you guy's found know and helped with on this that was more than enough in my books.    But I just feel I owe it to you all now to do my part to at least prove as best I can with anything I find out to what it is. Age,rarity,and maker!
                                                          Reguards,
                                                                         Pete! 

Pete,
We are all looking forward to what you are teasing about.

I have had one other thought for you to consider.

At Old Salem (in Winston-Salem) there is a shop with two craftsmen who make pewter spoons from molds very similar to yours.  They make them for sale in the gift shop.  They are very good craftsmen.  Their molds have been made by taking castings from old spoons and then reproducing the mold from that.  They are, as I said very competent craftsmen.

There is likely a way for them to cast half a pewter spoon from your mold so you could see what it looked like.  They would have to make a dummy other half.  I think they could do it.

Or, of course, perhaps the Master you have contacted could do it for you.  You would be expected to post a photo of the result on here.

Just something to ponder.  Do a search for Old Salem and look around the web site, it is a well known historic site.