Breaking News: Mass shooting at Ft Hood Texas?

3 shooters, 2 on the loose, im guessing Muslims?

what is the link?

found it.


Army: 7 dead in dual attacks at Fort Hood, Texas
AP

   

Army: 7 dead, 20 wounded in Fort Hood shootings Play Video AP  – Army: 7 dead, 20 wounded in Fort Hood shootings
At least seven people were killed and 12 wounded in a shooting at the Fort Hood, Texas, U.S. Army base Thursday, local media reported. Reuters – At least seven people were killed and 12 wounded in a shooting at the Fort Hood, Texas, U.S. Army base …
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WASHINGTON – Seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a pair of shootings Thursday at the Fort Hood Army base in Texas, the Army says. An army spokesman in Washington says the base has been locked down following the shootings. Another official told The Asociated Press that at least one shooter had been caught.

The FBI is sending agents to the scene.

Army spokesman Lt. Col. Nathan Banks says the first shooting began at about 1:30 p.m. at a personnel and medical processing office. The facility, called a Soldier Rating and Processing center, handles administrative details for soldiers.

Banks says two shooters were apparently involved. There was no immediate word on who they were, nor on identities of the dead.

Banks says the second incident took place at a theater on the sprawling base.

Another Army official identified that site as the Howze Theater.

That official, who requested anonymity to discuss an evolving incident, said a graduation had been scheduled for 2 p.m. at the theater.

The White House said President Barack Obama was notified of the shootings.

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Now saying 12 killed and 31 wounded. One perp killed and two in custody. All perps were soldiers, one is a Major, reportedly with an "Arabic sounding name" according to sources....?!?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33678801/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

It sure would make me wonder about the true allegiance of the soldiers around me with Islamic names despite their citizenship, vows, etc.

An Army spokesman, Gary Tallman, said that the dead gunman was an Army major. A law enforcement official identified the him as Malik Nadal Hassan.

just turn on the T.V. it's everywhere.

Yeah I have been listening to it I am only 38 miles away from Ft hood and I almost went over to Killeen today.  So far no one that I know was hurt in it.  Please Pray for the victims and their families.

This relates to the murder of 5 British soldiers this week in Afghanistan who were mentoring their
slayer.
There is clearly a world wide web of Muslim assassins embedded in the military
and businesses of the Free World.
Will these two incidents be the "trigger" for a multitude of similar incidents?

How much longer till the folks at the Dairy Queens, gas stations, and motels start attacking us ?

How much longer till the folks at the Dairy Queens, gas stations, and motels start attacking us ?

That's exactly what I was thinking in general terms but you have put it better.
I was thinking of something like mass Muslim psychosis (like mass hysteria) that
could create an avalanche of like events.
In all sincerity , I will be avoiding my Muslim "friends" for a few weeks to see what eventuates
around the world.

do you think any of this relates to Mark's prediction of poisonous gas attack in Texas?

do you think any of this relates to Mark's prediction of poisonous gas attack in Texas?

 Huh ? What was this all about ? I missed that one !

3 shooters, 2 on the loose, im guessing Muslims?

I don't mean to make light of the situation or be facetious, but I'm guessing Southern Baptists or the ever unpredictable Penticostal Holiness Holy Rollers.  (Forgive me Brother Don and Brother Ted, I'm makin a point)  

SORRY

at This Point the Group of People
have One thing in Common.

U.S. Army.

& The Next person to accuse

Any Group of People
Without a News Report to back it up.

Will Have their post deleted.

do you think any of this relates to Mark's prediction of poisonous gas attack in Texas?

 Huh ? What was this all about ? I missed that one !

Read Marc's Story...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28494.0.html

do you think any of this relates to Mark's prediction of poisonous gas attack in Texas?

 Huh ? What was this all about ? I missed that one !

Read Marc's Story...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28494.0.html

This from Marc :
""Nerve clouds penetrate all waters all bases blown up who will be left will fight and kill for food have plenty food water and diarrhea medicine"

This is very poignant and should be remembered.

do you think any of this relates to Mark's prediction of poisonous gas attack in Texas?

 Huh ? What was this all about ? I missed that one !

Read Marc's Story...

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,28494.0.html

This from Marc :
""Nerve clouds penetrate all waters all bases blown up who will be left will fight and kill for food have plenty food water and diarrhea medicine"

This is very poignant and should be remembered.

thank you Piggy I didn't know if it was ok to copy word for word...

[The Virginia-born soldier]

FORT HOOD, Texas - A military mental health doctor facing deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other people and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and the violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting in history at a U.S. military base.

The Virginia-born soldier was single with no children. He graduated from Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

Two other soldiers taken into custody following the deadly rampage were later released, the office of a Texas congressman said. A spokesman for Rep. John Carter says Fort Hood officials informed Carter's office of the release. Carter's congressional district includes the Army base.

[The Virginia-born soldier]

FORT HOOD, Texas - A military mental health doctor facing deployment overseas opened fire at the Fort Hood Army base on Thursday, setting off on a rampage that killed 11 other people and left 31 wounded. Authorities killed the gunman, and the violence was believed to be the worst mass shooting in history at a U.S. military base.

The Virginia-born soldier was single with no children. He graduated from Virginia Tech University, where he was a member of the ROTC and earned a bachelor's degree in biochemistry in 1997. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001. At Walter Reed, he did his internship, residency and a fellowship.

Two other soldiers taken into custody following the deadly rampage were later released, the office of a Texas congressman said. A spokesman for Rep. John Carter says Fort Hood officials informed Carter's office of the release. Carter's congressional district includes the Army base.

A perfect Muslim Mole (Malik Nadal Hassan)

You forgot some of that jeff...


 Hasan Born in Virginia, Never Married
Hasan appears in medical records from the Virginia Board of Medicine, and had a Maryland telephone number in an online file last updated in October.

Hasan had no prior overseas deployments, a Pentagon official told ABC News. An Army release shows he was promoted to the rank of Major in May 2009.

Hasan, born in Virginia, was single with no children. The Austin American-Statesman reported his parents were originally from Jordan.

Nader Hasan, his cousin, told ABC News Maj. Hasan had two brothers, one in the United States, the other in Jerusalem. The cousin described him as a pious lifelong Muslim.

so if he were a Christian


Would everyone be putting down Christians ?

NO !

Don't Blame a Group of People

For the actions of a Few, (In this case 1)

Or include the Blame on the U.S. Army

& Psycologists also & what about Virginians
( )

OR HOKIES since I seem to remember this is the
2nd. Hockie to open fire

I doubt if any of y'all truly have any 'Islamic' friends.  I actually do.  They're from west Africa, they work for me, and they're very upset about this.  I don't believe in Islam, but to each his own.  Although they say no one will believe them, their hearts are with the families.  I think they're sincere.  There's bad people in every religion.  I'm p'od that these boys lost their lives right here in our country.  And how was he able to take out that many before they got him?  We all think he was a crazy man, and would have been crazy even if he was a Methodist.

so if he were a Christian


Would everyone be putting down Christians ?

NO !

Don't Bl;ame a Group of People

For the actions of a Few,

Or include the Blame on the U.S. Army

& Psycologists also

 We are not at war with the christians, psycologists, or even the US army. We are however at war with Muslims. They are here in this country in camps all across this nation. People we need to start waking up and see what is going on here before it's too late.

I need to say that, no not all muslims are like this. There are good folks that come from that area. What I am refering to are the extremists.

I need to say that, no not all muslims are like this. There are good folks that come from that area. What I am refering to are the extremists.

then please use the word extremists

I need to say that, no not all muslims are like this. There are good folks that come from that area. What I am refering to are the extremists.

then please use the word extremists

 Sorry, but this is a big thing to me. I wasn't thinkin' as I was typing. This goes back nearly 30 years for me. Something happened when I was younger, and I believe it is playing out now, and it literally scares me to no end, seein what is happening.

Very good points Mac ; in the unlikely event it was not a Muslim extremist Jihadist,
then the other possibility is a  military mind altering drug experiment gone horribly
wrong.
 

The Military are of course into chemical warfare and the murderer was a psychology major.
Having a weapon such as this is the dream of all Governments.

[any]

I need to say that, no not all muslims are like this. There are good folks that come from that area. What I am refering to are the extremists.

then please use the word extremists

 Sorry, but this is a big thing to me. I wasn't thinkin' as I was typing. This goes back nearly 30 years for me. Something happened when I was younger, and I believe it is playing out now, and it literally scares me to no end, seein what is happening.

My Problem is there is a Good Chance
We Have some Muslem Friends here at treasureNet.
And Feel there is No reason they should
Be lumped in with anyperson
or Group who wishes Anyone Harm.
For Any Reason

My Problem is there is a Good Chance
We Have some Muslem Friends here at treasureNet.
And Feel there is No reason they should
Be lumped in with anyperson
or Group who wishes Anyone Harm.
For Any Reason


 So we can still use the term extremists to get our point across ?

My Problem is there is a Good Chance
We Have some Muslem Friends here at treasureNet.
And Feel there is No reason they should
Be lumped in with anyperson
or Group who wishes Anyone Harm.
For Any Reason


 So we can still use the term extremists to get our point across ?

Absolutely.
You add the word extremist(s)
& Don't turn this into a political debate.
The Posts & Threads Are fine by me

Don't think the " extremists" are here on American soil, plotting against us ? Like I said before there are camps all across this nation with these type of people being trained, and are protected by our constitution. As I mentioned before, I seen this day coming 30 years ago. Sad thing is, it gets worse.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/11/05/radicals.mosque/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

Your post is ok, Mcgearhead.  You got a lot of Muslim friends on here, too, by extension.  Out of all my employees, I guess about 50 or so are honest to God, pray to Allah five times a day, muslim.  They feel bad about this thing at Ft. Hood.  Since I am their boss, (they say I'm a good boss), if I tell them that you are a good man and you are my friend, well you're pretty much down with them dude.  (And when it gets down to it, all of us here at work, Catholics, Christians, Muslims, and others, are pretty much backsliders.  But, we got work to do.  We hit it pretty close..)

Your post is ok, Mcgearhead.  You got a lot of Muslim friends on here, too, by extension.  Out of all my employees, I guess about 50 or so are honest to God, pray to Allah five times a day, muslim.  They feel bad about this thing at Ft. Hood.  Since I am their boss, (they say I'm a good boss), if I tell them that you are a good man and you are my friend, well you're pretty much down with them dude.  (And when it gets down to it, all of us here at work, Catholics, Christians, Muslims, and others, are pretty much backsliders.  But, we got work to do.  We hit it pretty close..)

 Thank you for that. I know I said some of the wrong terms in my post, but like I said before, this acually means something to me.

 I like what ya said there in the red. I would like to add to that if I could. "We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God." That is including everyone. Christians and non christians alike. I try to live a christian life, yet somehow sometimes self gets in the way.

the news is saying he lived and is not in danger of dying.  That he is of Jordanian descent.  The soldiers were unarmed.

the news is saying he lived and is not in danger of dying.  That he is of Jordanian descent.  The soldiers were unarmed.

 You are right again, as usual Tee !!

 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=alrif4kkc02Q&pos=8

I have no insight into this man's mind or religious beliefs at this point, but I do remember reading somewhere that psychiatrists have one of the highest rates of suicide in the U.S., followed closely by police.  Which, in my mind, means they go bonkers at a higher rate than the ordinary bricklayer.  Someone knew he didn't want to go to Iraq.  When someone gets him/herself "worked up" over something, they might do anything.  People kill people everyday because they get mentally unbalanced.  His being a Muslim, at this point to me, has nothing to do with what he did.  He flipped out over his impending assignment.  Maybe time will tell me differently, but he didn't do the ordinary things a "jihadist" does, like enlist others to assist him, man himself with bombs to take out civilians around him, or leave a committee to say he did it for Islam.  He armed himself and shot people, probably knowing the MPs or someone would take him out.  When it was reported there were two other suspects being held, I considered it a plot, but those suspects were released, leaving him alone as the gunman.  It was a suicide mission for him, sure, but to me he was just another mentally ill person who made a good front to others, but couldn't handle life.  My condolences to the victims, their families and to his family as well.  Such a tragedy.

the news is saying he lived and is not in danger of dying.  That he is of Jordanian descent.  The soldiers were unarmed.

 You are right again, as usual Tee !!

 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=alrif4kkc02Q&pos=8

WOW!  How's that for NEWS?  For how many hours now have we heard he was among the dead, and now he's among the living?  Answers, maybe??  Wow!

I suppose his religious affiliation will come out in court, and they'll use that as a smoke screen.  If I was in court, we're gonna bring up my religious upbringin and how they kicked me out because  my hair touched my ears.  There's bad folks everywhere, folks; religion is just an excuse to fall back on.

I am a Solider of the United States Of America. Trained in Ft Sill on the Pershing II Missile system, deployed to Germany for over 2 years, back to Ft Sill for 2 more years, Tennessee National Guard as soon as I ETSed for 6 years as a M1 Tanker. I am not active now, and have not been since 1997, but the Friends I made, the love of country I have is as strong today as it was when I signed up and became a Solider. Even though not active I will forever be a Solider. I feel the pain of my comrads in arms, and it hurts to the core. I know there is a lot of info out there right now, some true, some not. Since we are at war with a Islamic controlled country I can understand the suspicion that this could be a Muslim extremist plot, but that is not supported by facts and remains a "could be". Although my "antenna" is up, I hope no one jumps to conclusions. The Jury cannot be out regarding this because it is so fresh the Jury has not been formed. I reserve my conclusions regarding this matter for a time when I have more information. Please, for the sake of all involved, show discretion and patience, please.

Well said, many of you! As a service-connected, disabled-retired Army vet, I understand and empathize with the dead, wounded
and their families!!! Prayers to all!!!
Being from the Lebanon era of service, I also have experience with Islamic radicalism. While I don't know what the deal was with Major Hassan, no matter what his motivation I have nothing but contempt for his cowardly and despicable acts!!! There must be a special place in Hell for such evil %$&#@s!!

I DO know not all Muslims are militant, and there needs to always be a distinction made. For those of you not familiar with the religion, allow me to point out how studying the Quran will demonstrate dramatically the difference between 'extremist' Muslims and 'tolerant' Muslims.

Muhammad wrote the first part of the Quran while in Mecca. He spent some thirteen years there, his writings characterized by tolerance, spirituality and exhortations to lead good lives. He lived a life of prayer, fasting and worship; never mentioning "jihad", he espoused peaceful coexistence with Jews and Christians. He basically had to leave Mecca when he encountered opposition to his negative views on the idolatry of the Kaaba.
He said Allah told him to relocate and he took his 150 or so followers to Medina. In Medina, Muhammad began to build an army, and as his power increased, his message began to change. His writings became increasingly militant and he began to express intolerance for opposing beliefs and conversion at sword point. He began to follow a revelation of jihad and even led some twenty-seven military attacks on 'infidels'. 
So for the first part of his adult life, Muhammad was a preacher (610-622). In the second half, he became a violent extremist (622-632).
Now the Quran is not arranged chronologically, rather, the longest verses (suras) are placed first. Out of the 114 suras composing the Quran, 90 were written while in Mecca, and the other 24 in Medina. Militant extremists say that "later" revelations 'replace' earlier ones, so basically Allah "changed his mind' and annulled the earlier 'tolerant' suras, supplanting them with ones that say to "slay the idolaters....." and "fight against those....who believe not in Allah....". Muhammad confirmed this in the Hadith, where he said he was "ordered" by Allah "to fight the people until they say: 'None has the right to be worshiped but Allah' ." This abrogation of older suras I believe is referred to as "Nasikh".
Non-extremists put emphasis on the Mecca writings of Muhammad, and radicals concentrate on the Medina 'revelations'.
So basically, when he was weak and not very popular, he was okay with other beliefs. But when he obtained power and support, he became violently intolerant. There are only two "Abodes" to radical Muslims; Dar al Islam and Dar al Harb (war).
If you aren't under Muslim control, you are at war. So it's either convert or die. There is no other option. Allah's will is to be forced upon humanity if not freely accepted. And the conflict is the infidel's fault because of the immoral and disordered nature of non-Islamic controlled society.
Interestingly enough, "belief" is not the primary consideration to Extremist Muslims, "behavior" is. If you do what you are supposed to as a Muslim, that is what's important.
And anything Extremists do is "Allah's will", and is automatically "ethical". Anything that disagrees with or disobeys "Allah's will" is unethical. Extremists want to wipe all nonextremist-Muslims off the face of the earth, and they don't care about giving non-Muslims a chance to convert and avoid "Hell".

Non-extremist Muslims put emphasis on the Mecca revelations and respect the sacredness of life, security, and peace. They believe Islamic 'rules of war' prohibit targeting civilians/non-combatants and suicide is prohibited because no-one but God has the right to take the life he has given. They believe you fight only in self-defense. 
I have a good friend who is a Muslim, and terrorism is as abhorrent to him as it is to me! We don't agree on the 'change' in Muhammad from Mecca to Medina, but we absolutely agree that he didn't advocate terrorism and "haraba"...............

Cyber, how do we know who is what?  Thanks for the lesson and insight into Islamic beliefs.

I get one message from this ; Muhammad changed from non-violent to a violent Jihadist,
therefore any other Muslim can also.
Looking at the background of terrorists before they "flipped" we see they were also peace loving young men.

[any]

My Problem is there is a Good Chance
We Have some Muslem Friends here at treasureNet.
And Feel there is No reason they should
Be lumped in with anyperson
or Group who wishes Anyone Harm.
For Any Reason

It would certainly be nice to hear from them, and to hear them publicly denounce the actions of this individual.


Jay

Hate Speach has one Meaning.

I Don't care where they are From,
Or what they Believe in or Don't Believe in
 for that Matter.

.

Maybe it's Because I Have No Religon at all,
that I Don't Hate him Either & Just Feel sorry for him.
and everyone involved,
but As far as I'm concerned Preaching Hate
towards anyone
on TreasureNet is Wrong

(Maybe I should be Amish   )

Welcome to the world of faithful muslims.  It was terrorist act directed towards americans by a muslim.  I would argue that people should care what muslims believe, now we have more dead americans to show for tolerance and political correctness.  Its the muslims that have claimed many times over that the west (that would be any non-muslim country, and yes, the U.S. leads the way in the receiving end of this hatred) is the great satan. 


a nice article for your enjoyment.  Its kinda of revealing I think. 
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115218


If this had been done by some white and right winged religous guy, religion would be an issue.  Maybe thats why our homeland insecurity leader Janet Nepolitano put white religous people on the watch list, notice she didnt put muslims on it. 

I am assuming there are muslims on this site.  Good luck in getting them to admit to it.  The reason they probably will not admit to it or condemn what happened is that if they are and do, they become a target to.  That would be a target of their own religion. 

It's been reported that he was about to deploy to Afghanistan for the first time and was only in the Army to get the medical education at tax payer expense. He was at Walter Reed, got a "poor performance" evaluation, was sent to Ft. Hood, and was going to be going to theater.
Was trying to hire a lawyer to get out of the Army, maybe pay the Army back for the educational degree. It was a no-go. So, being the weasel pansy he was, he went on a murder spree.
However, I heard on the news this morning that officials have begun looking into his background and are uncovering evidence of him posting radical statements about suicide bombers and such.
Still too early to be definitive about anything except prayers for the families.

Scott

Yikes.  I wish my story wasn't online for all to read!  

Seriously though - just yesterday, I was telling my girlfriend...  

"Why were we so able to call communism, an ideology, evil, yet, we are unable to label another ideology, Islam, one that urges it's followers to wage Jehad against non-believers, as equally evil?"

Personally, I think we should DEPORT THEM ALL.  PERIOD.  If you are a devout Muslim, GO HOME. (Mecca, or Medina, or SOME OTHER PLACE OTHER THAN THE U.S. - OR the U.K.!)

My French girlfriend was deported a few years ago, while I was at the airport, waiting for her to de-plane, I sat there and watched while Pakistanis, and other Islamic people were able to stroll right off the plane without issues.

Anyway, that's enough of my ranting for now.

God bless all those effected by this tragedy.

Marc

p.s., it's a little strange.... just this morning - before I heard the tragic news, I was lying in bed thinking about "the writings"  One phrase reads "time good now for Marc to get what he wants while on job at arms will be called aerotec laugh now but will be given the opportunity and do not blow it".  (I have the originals) I was NOT at that particular session, in fact, I only read that phrase several years after the session...  but around that time, I had tried to join the Navy, so I looked at my tests, (I scored in the top 4%) I was STUNNED.  That session was one week BEFORE I took my tests, where I was offered the position of "AX". I would have been flying on awacs (or other hi tech planes) searching for submarines. If THAT'S not aerotec, I do NOT know what is!  Then I started thinking about what that was - a TRUE prophecy...  so one needs to ask himself, what is the difference between a true prophet and a false prophet? A true prophet's prophecies come TRUE!  Yes, I have seen some things.  AYE YAI YAI.

I just heard that HASAN hollered out "Ala Acbar! before he started shooting our servicemen!

He was shot and subdued by a WOMAN without being killed.

I know that there are women who can go toe to toe with any man. I married the daughter of one of them, so don't think I am being insulting with the above statement.

I made it because in the Jihadists' eyes, it is considered an insult and sign of weakness.

This is the latest from the Associated Press.
Troubling portrait emerges of Fort Hood suspect
By BRETT J. BLACKLEDGE, Associated Press Writer Brett J. Blackledge, Associated Press Writer 21 mins ago

WASHINGTON – His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.

There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive.

For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001.

While an intern at Walter Reed, Hasan had some "difficulties" that required counseling and extra supervision, said Dr. Thomas Grieger, who was the training director at the time.

Grieger said privacy laws prevented him from going into details but noted that the problems had to do with Hasan's interactions with patients. He recalled Hasan as a "mostly very quiet" person who never spoke ill of the military or his country.

"He swore an oath of loyalty to the military," Grieger said. "I didn't hear anything contrary to those oaths."

But, more recently, federal agents grew suspicious.

At least six months ago, Hasan came to the attention of law enforcement officials because of Internet postings about suicide bombings and other threats, including posts that equated suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the lives of their comrades.

They had not determined for certain whether Hasan is the author of the posting, and a formal investigation had not been opened before the shooting, said law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to discuss the case.

In an interview with The Washington Post, Hasan's aunt, Noel Hasan of Falls Church, Va., said he had been harassed about being a Muslim in the years after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks and he wanted out of the Army.

"Some people can take it and some people cannot," she said. "He had listened to all of that and he wanted out of the military."

She said he had sought a discharge from the military for several years, and even offered to repay the cost of his medical training.

A military official told The Associated Press that Hasan was in the preparation stage of deployment, which can take months. The official said Hasan had indicated he didn't want to go to Iraq but was willing to serve in Afghanistan. The official did not have authorization to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity.

A second military official said Hasan's family has Palestinian roots. There have been reports that he was harassed for his Muslim religion, but the official says there is no indication Hasan filed a complaint within the military about that.

Terrorism task force agents plan to interview several of Hasan's relatives Friday, according to a law enforcement official who spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss the case.

Noel Hasan said her nephew "did not make many friends" and would say "they military was his life."

A cousin, Nader Hasan, told The New York Times that after counseling soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan with post-traumatic stress disorder, Hasan knew war firsthand.

"He was mortified by the idea of having to deploy," Nader Hasan said. "He had people telling him on a daily basis the horrors they saw over there."

Federal law-enforcement agents ordered an evacuation of the apartment complex where Hasan lived in Killeen, Texas, Thursday night and conducted a search of his home, said Hilary Shine, director of public information for the city. She didn't say what was found during the search.

Officials said earlier that federal search warrants were being drawn up to authorize the seizure of his computer.

Retired Army Col. Terry Lee, who said he worked with Hasan, told Fox News that Hasan had hoped President Barack Obama would pull troops out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Lee said Hasan got into frequent arguments with others in the military who supported the wars, and had tried hard to prevent his pending deployment.

Hasan attended prayers regularly when he lived outside Washington, often in his Army uniform, said Faizul Khan, a former imam at a mosque Hasan attended in Silver Spring, Md. He said Hasan was a lifelong Muslim.

"I got the impression that he was a committed soldier," Khan said. He spoke often with Hasan about Hasan's desire for a wife.

On a form filled out by those seeking spouses through a program at the mosque, Hasan listed his birthplace as Arlington, Va., but his nationality as Palestinian, Khan said.

"I don't know why he listed Palestinian," Khan said, "He was not born in Palestine."

Nothing stood out about Hasan as radical or extremist, Khan said.

"We hardly ever got to discussing politics," Khan said. "Mostly we were discussing religious matters, nothing too controversial, nothing like an extremist."

Hasan earned his rank of major in April 2008, according to a July 2008 Army Times article.

He served eight years as an enlisted soldier. He also served in the ROTC as an undergraduate at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. He received a bachelor's degree in biochemistry there in 1997.

___

Associated Press writers Lara Jakes, Pam Hess, Lolita C. Baldor and Brett Zongker in Washington and Alicia Chang in Los Angeles contributed to this report.

"Nothing stood out about Hasan as a radical or extremist, Khan said."

Wolf in sheep's clothing?

Just an observation----------------------------The armed forces trains their soldiers that they send overseas to fight in wars to kill the enemy. That is opposite of what they have been taught, by parents, teachers, and religion, for 18+ years, until they get the training------------- to kill their own kind--humans.

 Under severe stress and unknown state of mind and due to to circumstances most of us can't even imagine( like being in war under constant fire and the effects of chemical warfare)......isn't it amazing that more soldiers haven't "gone off their rockers" than they have?

Allowing Muslims in the U.S. military has already come back to bite us several times, anyone recall the Muslim soldiers who early on in the Iraq War threw a grenade into a command tent killing a few soldiers.  I realize this country has become P.C. and the Muslim's use it against us but I know if I was a soldier in combat I would not want someone loyal to the enemy next to me.  Fool me once shame on you.....  How can a true Muslim have loyalty to both the US military?

I just read an article on msn that claims the shooter was harrassed for being muslim.  MSN can make all the excuses they want for this guy, I aint buying it.  Besides, you dont harrass an army major.  

I did read another article that claims he has ties to obama. link below
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=115230

Hows this for a conspiracy theory...maybe the muslim did this for obammy to draw attention from the healthcare trouble in DC yesterday?  Hey why not?  All the other presidents are alledged to have conspiracy troubles.

No, I doubt that very much.  This guy, simply put, was a terrorist.

"Why were we so able to call communism, an ideology, evil, yet, we are unable to label another ideology, Islam, one that urges it's followers to wage Jehad against non-believers, as equally evil?"

Personally, I think we should DEPORT THEM ALL.  PERIOD.  If you are a devout Muslim, GO HOME. (Mecca, or Medina, or SOME OTHER PLACE OTHER THAN THE U.S. - OR the U.K.!)

Careful Marc, that kind of talk will get you deleted.

maybe so, but agree with marc

maybe so, but agree with marc

I do too. The comment reflects Marc being the owner of the site and hence can't be deleted. 

maybe so, but agree with marc

I agree with Marc also. 

maybe so, but agree with marc

I do too. The comment reflects Marc being the owner of the site and hence can't be deleted.  

I don't think Saturna was talking about THAT kind of deletion!   

We should rename this thread correctly, "Hatred 101".

The Fort Hood shooting makes me stomach turn with disgust. The responses here add to that disgust.

Your attitudes do not make me proud to be a US citizen.

Most of you are pointing fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

We don't know why this tragedy occurred, and it's foolish to assume you know why. It is even more foolish to fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

We should rename this thread correctly, "Hatred 101".

The Fort Hood shooting makes me stomach turn with disgust. The responses here add to that disgust.

Your attitudes do not make me proud to be a US citizen.

Most of you are pointing fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

We don't know why this tragedy occurred, and it's foolish to assume you know why. It is even more foolish to fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

If we didnt live in a P.C. world things like this might not occur.

The Fort Hood shooting makes me stomach turn with disgust. The responses here add to that disgust.

Your attitudes do not make me proud to be a US citizen.

Why would the views of some here make YOU ashamed of being a US citizen?

I'll bet no Muslim is ashamed of being a Muslim because of these shootings.


Jay

We should rename this thread correctly, "Hatred 101".

The Fort Hood shooting makes me stomach turn with disgust. The responses here add to that disgust.

Your attitudes do not make me proud to be a US citizen.

Most of you are pointing fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

We don't know why this tragedy occurred, and it's foolish to assume you know why. It is even more foolish to fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

No, let's call this what it is, Domestic Terrorism 101!  And whatever steps need to be taken to make sure this dosen't happen again should be taken! I guarantee you that if a middle aged white christian male did this, the media would crucify him! but in this case they are making all kind of excuses for this "poor" guy, while he gets the finest medical attention there is, and those of his kind rejoice in his accomplishment.

I am amazed at the kindness and sympathy shown towards this murderer.
As a person with psychiatric training he will be well versed in playing the "crazy card"
during his defence.

I am amazed at the kindness and sympathy shown towards this murderer.
As a person with psychiatric training he will be well versed in playing the "crazy card"
during his defence.

Please do not a) Confuse logical thinking with blind kindness, and b) Ignore the fact that he is "Innocent until proven guilty in a court of law".

I'm sorry, but in the USA we do not allow vigilante vengeance, we have laws for handling these things instead. You seem to be forgetting that.

Why would the views of some here make YOU ashamed of being a US citizen?

I'll bet no Muslim is ashamed of being a Muslim because of these shootings.

I don't know what Muslims are thinking right now, and i'm not going to assume that I do.

What I do know is that a lack of logical thought and a lack desire to uphold our own laws and constitutional rights makes the US look very stupid.

How can we dare preach to the world how great we are if we can't act the part?

I think folks are sick and tired of its Government and Society in general, being the "nice guy". with an "overkill" of political correctness.

I think folks are sick and tired of its Government being the "nice guy". with an "overkill" of
political correctness.

This isn't PC, this is the constitution.

This is the highest law of the land, you can't just ignore it and say we're being too political correct so we should throw it out.

After what the President has just said there's gonna be some changes :
"These are men and women who have made the selfless and courageous decision to risk and at times give their lives to protect the rest of us on a daily basis. "

"It's difficult enough when we lose these brave Americans in battles overseas. It is horrifying that they should come under fire at an army base on American soil."

Most of you are pointing fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

We don't know why this tragedy occurred, and it's foolish to assume you know why. It is even more foolish to fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

and then he turns around and says:

I don't know what Muslims are thinking right now, and i'm not going to assume that I do.

It sounds like "you can't lump them all in together" but "if it fits my need, I can lump them all in together." I am sure that is not what Lasivian meant. I'm sure it was a slip.

While I don't always agree politically - ok, seldom agree - with Lasivian, he is very consistent in his views. And in this matter I do agree. All Muslims can't be lumped into one group. They don't all believe the same, and they don't all hate this country. I know of a former Iranian army officer, a Muslim, who cared for an older crippled American Vietnam Veteran for almost 4 years. Before he died, my buddy told me they treated him better than his real family.

On the other hand, this man made his religion an issue by his actions and statements prior to the shootings. HE made it a religious matter. HE decided to bring religion into the situation. HE pulled the triggers. HE decided, based on his beliefs, that this was what he should do. Personally, I'm glad the woman didn't kill him. Now he gets to stand trial and face the people who lived. We get to show the world that we are a nation of laws. I hope the courts don't drop the ball.

I have tried to stick to the facts and I try and be as open armed as I can....I am color blind in a good way as I do not judge others by their race or religion....but here I must draw a line in the sand and ask when do we draw a line on tolerance? Tolerance that has nothing to do with the outer shell that is on a person but what they bear in their heart?  This person said that "he likened a suicide bomber to a soldier who would throw theirself on a gernade to save their fellow soldiers"...can he not see that one is to save lives while one doesn't care who it kills?  Tolerance is forced down our throats at every turn!  It wasn't so long ago that it would have been unheard of to have a known sex offender in your neighborhood and now we must even be tolerant of that....where do we draw the line?  Why are we making excuses for this man....He did an evil, sick act...he took the time to carry weapons into a room of unarmed soldiers...he took the time to reload.  He needs to be sent to his waiting virgins.  This has nothing to do with his race or religion but everything to do with the act he commited.  If my dog bit someone who was doing no harm, I would feel compelled to put him down.

From the news, and a friend at Fort Hood (works at the hospital) some of the wounded were shot accidentally by the MPs. Secondly, we will not know this Maj. motivations until he is conscious and can be questioned. It may be religiously related, or he may have just not wanted to deploy.

NOT ONE OF YOU KNOW WHY.

I had a guy in my unit in Iraq, a Muslim, and he has deployed FIVE TIMES. I guess he should be deported? People of all faiths (or no faith, like myself) are defending your freedoms, and you want to throw someone, some group of people under the bus, because it is no fun to play cowboys and indians if no one wants to be the indians.....

Most of you are pointing fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

We don't know why this tragedy occurred, and it's foolish to assume you know why. It is even more foolish to fingers at people not like you, trying to lay blame for the actions of one person on an entire group of people.

and then he turns around and says:

I don't know what Muslims are thinking right now, and i'm not going to assume that I do.

It sounds like "you can't lump them all in together" but "if it fits my need, I can lump them all in together." I am sure that is not what Lasivian meant. I'm sure it was a slip.

While I don't always agree politically - ok, seldom agree - with Lasivian, he is very consistent in his views. And in this matter I do agree. All Muslims can't be lumped into one group. They don't all believe the same, and they don't all hate this country. I know of a former Iranian army officer, a Muslim, who cared for an older crippled American Vietnam Veteran for almost 4 years. Before he died, my buddy told me they treated him better than his real family.

On the other hand, this man made his religion an issue by his actions and statements prior to the shootings. HE made it a religious matter. HE decided to bring religion into the situation. HE pulled the triggers. HE decided, based on his beliefs, that this was what he should do. Personally, I'm glad the woman didn't kill him. Now he gets to stand trial and face the people who lived. We get to show the world that we are a nation of laws. I hope the courts don't drop the ball.

I am lumping users together based on the viewpoints they are posting here for ease of debate, I can make a list of names and address each user individually but I think that would be more argumentative than I intend. I am doing so based on their actions, not my assumption of what their actions might be. I am also not saying anything akin to "all conservatives act like this", such an assumption would be completely unfair and unfounded.

You are correct, I'm not perfect, but I try my best to be consistent. Thank you.

Also, we don't know if "he" actually did this, have we seen the evidence yet? Do we know what the police and MPs know? Nope, in fact yesterday the military said both the shooter and the woman that shot the shooter were dead, then they reversed both of those pieces of information. That seems like some awfully large pieces of info to report wrongly if you ask me. It shows how little we know and how wrong information can be. Would I be shocked to find out the shooter is someone else? Not at all.

The MPs may have just shot the first muslim they saw and asked questions later. Isnt speculation fun?

[any]

I don't trust any religion!  
But I do put my trust into Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.


GG~

The MPs may have just shot the first muslim they saw and asked questions later. Isnt speculation fun?

Heard about it from someone who was involved in the shooting of the suspect.

He did make it a religious matter when he screamed "Allah Akbah!" (No, I can't spell it, but you know what I'm talking about).

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

I guess since the russians went soft and democratic we needed a new nasty enemy to demonize. I am waiting to see more details. As I also said before, there seems to be evidence that the MPs are responsible for some of the wounded, not the shooter.

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

I guess since the russians went soft and democratic we needed a new nasty enemy to demonize. I am waiting to see more details. As I also said before, there seems to be evidence that the MPs are responsible for some of the wounded, not the shooter.

Hell, we have been at war with the Muslims since our ancestors battled them in the crusades.  Its not new.

And we are still going to the middle east for equally questionable reasons. Hatred directed at one particular faith group is unAmerican. Of course, there are those who have called for my deportation since I am agnostic, and personages no less lofty thant President George HW Bush said atheists and agnostics are not real Americans.....

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

I guess since the russians went soft and democratic we needed a new nasty enemy to demonize. I am waiting to see more details. As I also said before, there seems to be evidence that the MPs are responsible for some of the wounded, not the shooter.

The friendly fire would not have occurred without the perpetrators actions, please put the guilt where it is due.
It sounds like you are taking up for him.

GG~

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

I only hold one document as sacred, and that is the Constitution. This man is an American citizen, and a fellow member of the military. Pardon me for waiting until all the facts are in before I scream for him to be burned at the stake. I believe in justice, something that has been sorely lacking lately.

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

I guess since the russians went soft and democratic we needed a new nasty enemy to demonize. I am waiting to see more details. As I also said before, there seems to be evidence that the MPs are responsible for some of the wounded, not the shooter.

Sure and this guy was one of them as was the one who threw a grenade into a command tent in 03'.   Next time they bust a Catholic cardinal or bishop for promoting terrorism or running a terrorist cell out of a church maybe i'll shange my views but I dont see that happening anytime soon.  People choose to follow the Koran just like people chose to follow Nazism, its not a race or ethnicity its a belief system.  People put down Christians, Republicans, Democrats, and other belief systems all the time why is it such a horrible thing to put down Muslims?  

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

I only hold one document as sacred, and that is the Constitution. This man is an American citizen, and a fellow member of the military. Pardon me for waiting until all the facts are in before I scream for him to be burned at the stake. I believe in justice, something that has been sorely lacking lately.

Im guessing this man would have been tried for treason and hung in the 19th century but who knows what will happen today he might even be released after a few years since this act was "brought on my teasing and racism".  But seriously did you just call him a "fellow member of the military"?  He sounds more like an enemy soldier who infiltrated our lines to me.

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

I only hold one document as sacred, and that is the Constitution. This man is an American citizen, and a fellow member of the military. Pardon me for waiting until all the facts are in before I scream for him to be burned at the stake. I believe in justice, something that has been sorely lacking lately.

Well maybe he was just training your fellow members of the military on how a terrorist shoots unarmed fellow soldiers.


Just for the record I agree with your statement about justice being sorely lacking lately.
GG~

Let me repeat for the slow learners:

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

Let me repeat for the slow learners:

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

Tell that to the murdered soldiers families.

GG~

I do not generally trust when the military puts a story out. See: Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman.

I do not generally trust when the military puts a story out. See: Jessica Lynch, and Pat Tillman.

I have to agree with that.

GG~

It should be easy to figure out what happened in a room of soldiers with no guns and one person who was shooting....Let's ask ourselves was he protecting them or shooting to kill?  How many times did he reload?  How many of you were called names in school?  Did you take out the classmates and teachers with an automatic?  Or did you Man up and grow up?  I for one had a "extremest" Mom who beat her three children until she gifted us by leaving.  She took an ax handle to my sister one time.  Now I never beat my kids.  Nor did my sister or brother.  Instead we gave the love we didn't have.  I'm sorry..no I'm not, but this screams of the same cowardness shown by someone who desides life is to ruff to live so they kill their wife/husband and all their children as well.

I will never say someone has to believe in my God and hope that they will respect me with not killing me for not believing in theirs.  Everyone will go where their god takes them.  My God does not instruct me to hate others, but he does ask me not to worship other's gods and that is what I will continue to follow. 

So sad.  My step son was down there.
Most People are good. There are Bad ones, mostly Good people. (statics would say 2%)
 Who are we to judge. People are people, all people fear. Some give. I have been blessed to share a meal from Arabs where Christ was Christened. The Jordon River.  It was  an experience.  The guards were so young. Should write my story sometime.  But it is not a treasure.

So sad.  My step son was down there.
Most People are good. There are Bad ones, mostly Good people. (statics would say 2%)
 Who are we to judge. People are people, all people fear. Some give. I have been blessed to share a meal from Arabs where Christ was Christened. The Jordon River.  It was  an experience.  The guards were so young. Should write my story sometime.  But it is not a treasure.

Sounds like a treasure of the heart to me.
Would love to hear it sometime. You are welcome to post it on my personal page if you would care to.
http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/board,720.0.html

GG~

So sad.  My step son was down there.
Most People are good. There are Bad ones, mostly Good people. (statics would say 2%)
 Who are we to judge. People are people, all people fear. Some give. I have been blessed to share a meal from Arabs where Christ was Christened. The Jordon River.  It was  an experience.  The guards were so young. Should write my story sometime.  But it is not a treasure.

A treasure for sure...always when people who life has made different can get along...wouldn't life be less if a rainbow was only one color?  I would love to see and walk where Christ once did.

His words are there. Humble thyself and give. (I should delete this)

His words are there. Humble thyself and give. (I should delete this)

Please don't it is a blessed and welcomed balance.

(big hug)

(big hug)

right back at you Marc...  
I'm sure He heard you and your treasure is waiting.

Actuallly, I am going by this crazy, liberal AMERICAN concept of jurisprudence, called innocent until proven guilty, not proven guilty by the media, thanks.

I only hold one document as sacred, and that is the Constitution. This man is an American citizen, and a fellow member of the military. Pardon me for waiting until all the facts are in before I scream for him to be burned at the stake. I believe in justice, something that has been sorely lacking lately.

Preamble: "establish justice, ENSURE DOMESTIC TRANQUILITY". Is this part that is held sacred or is it conveniently ignored while the parts that support what you like are ok? Sounds like the people who love to rant about freedom to burn the American Flag while acting like the 2ND amendment does not exist. Although people are "innocent until proven guilty" by law, that does not mean Americans should suspend common sense. This scum is guilty as sin and does not deserve defending here. Although this scum is a member of our military, he is also the murder of his fellow soldiers, or I guess you might say "oh no, that is not proven yet". To this I say you have no common sense to make such a statement. This scumbag is "innocent" in name only, or do you doubt that he will be found guilty? Any sensable person knows this and defending this scum is sort of offensive. Well, it is a free Nation for now, and feel free to abuse your rights as much as you want.

I agree with 21stcav that the defence of such cowards whilst invoking the Constitution
is reprehensible and unforgivable.
I now remind you that the cowardly shooter is now in a coma being kept alive with a ventilator.
I leave it to your imagination as to what has to be done.

I agree with 21stcav that the defence of such cowards whilst invoking the Constitution
is reprehensible and unforgivable.
I now remind you that the cowardly shooter is now in a coma being kept alive with a ventilator.
I leave it to your imagination as to what has to be done.

you bring up a valid point....if he is paralyzed and on a ventilator....will they conceder him unable to even stand trial?

So I am getting called a coward now? I simply said that people are really quick to make a lot of assumptions. Some of the stories I have read have pointed out the possibility that the MPs shot some of the wounded by mistake. There has been a lot of misinformation already, and as I also pointed out earlier, the military has a lousy track record of putting out correct information when it may give them a black eye.

I am still in the Army. I have friends down at Fort Hood. I am not excusing this crime. What I absolutely refuse to do is make assumptions. Unless some of you were right there, how are you so sure? Because Muslims are evil subhumans who should be exterminated? Then fire up the ovens.

Some people are so brave and loud on the internet. I have been to Iraq. I have lost many people dear to me since the beginning of these two wars, and some of them were by their own hand, not by an IED or anything else.

I have worked alongside American Muslims, and those that left Iraq and Afghanistan to work with us to help make their countries better.

The racism, hatred and quick judgements abounding disgust me. As I said, I believe in law, and justice. What I have been seeing so far has nothing to do with justice. And Piggy....I guess you should nominate yourself as Judge, Jury and Executioner, to go down there and kill someone on a ventilator. NOW WHO IS A COWARD?

So I am getting called a coward now? I simply said that people are really quick to make a lot of assumptions. Some of the stories I have read have pointed out the possibility that the MPs shot some of the wounded by mistake. There has been a lot of misinformation already, and as I also pointed out earlier, the military has a lousy track record of putting out correct information when it may give them a black eye.

I am still in the Army. I have friends down at Fort Hood. I am not excusing this crime. What I absolutely refuse to do is make assumptions. Unless some of you were right there, how are you so sure? Because Muslims are evil subhumans who should be exterminated? Then fire up the ovens.

Some people are so brave and loud on the internet. I have been to Iraq. I have lost many people dear to me since the beginning of these two wars, and some of them were by their own hand, not by an IED or anything else.

I have worked alongside American Muslims, and those that left Iraq and Afghanistan to work with us to help make their countries better.

The racism, hatred and quick judgements abounding disgust me. As I said, I believe in law, and justice. What I have been seeing so far has nothing to do with justice. And Piggy....I guess you should nominate yourself as Judge, Jury and Executioner, to go down there and kill someone on a ventilator. NOW WHO IS A COWARD?

respectfully...please re read the responses....I may just be having a no sleep moment but I think all were calling the shooter a coward....I could be wrong but I don't believe anyone was calling you one.

Folks need to remember that life and death is held in one's tongue and that we can choose to plant good seeds or weeds.  There is good and bad in all walks of life....When someone does an evil act....those weeds need to be cleaned out of the garden...not have excuses made for their actions.  This is just my humble opinion.

I have a problem with the way this country uses the media to decide guilt. We have a judicial system for a reason. As someone who was convicted in a court of popular opinion, I know how that feels personally.

Too many stories were flying around right after the shooting. As I said, I have friends down there. I am going to take a "wait and see" attitude.

Look at it this way: Suppose Fort Hood pins it on this Major, comatose and paralyzed...and another shooting occurs because they did not get the right person? Then what?

What if this incident is used to stir up anti muslim sentiment, and someone decides to go out and kill a dozen or so American Muslims, because they believe that it is "Us" or "them"?

All this poisonous spewing of hate makes me sick to my stomach. And much of it seems to be coming from people who are in no danger of going in the military, and do not actually know any muslims personally.

As I am sure I have said before, I am agnostic. I hold all religions equally relevant, while following none of them. I will refrain from going into further detail, except to say that no one can say whether or not there is a god, gods, etc with any accuracy, so I personally leave that question open.

Right now I am taking the claims of the shooter screaming "Allahu Akhbar" about as accurately as the account of Pat Tillman storming a hill to take out insurgents (for those who do not know, Pat Tillman, NFL star turned soldier, was killed in a friendly fire incident that the Army tried to use for propaganda purposes).

I have a problem with the way this country uses the media to decide guilt. We have a judicial system for a reason. As someone who was convicted in a court of popular opinion, I know how that feels personally.

Too many stories were flying around right after the shooting. As I said, I have friends down there. I am going to take a "wait and see" attitude.

Look at it this way: Suppose Fort Hood pins it on this Major, comatose and paralyzed...and another shooting occurs because they did not get the right person? Then what?

What if this incident is used to stir up anti muslim sentiment, and someone decides to go out and kill a dozen or so American Muslims, because they believe that it is "Us" or "them"?

All this poisonous spewing of hate makes me sick to my stomach. And much of it seems to be coming from people who are in no danger of going in the military, and do not actually know any muslims personally.

As I am sure I have said before, I am agnostic. I hold all religions equally relevant, while following none of them. I will refrain from going into further detail, except to say that no one can say whether or not there is a god, gods, etc with any accuracy, so I personally leave that question open.

Right now I am taking the claims of the shooter screaming "Allahu Akhbar" about as accurately as the account of Pat Tillman storming a hill to take out insurgents (for those who do not know, Pat Tillman, NFL star turned soldier, was killed in a friendly fire incident that the Army tried to use for propaganda purposes).

all valid points....was there any video cameras in the room where it took place?

I doubt it. I have been in both of those buildings within the last year, but do not specifically remember seeing surveillance cameras.

I wonder if some of you realize how many middle easterners and muslims are actively involved in helping train us to be prepared. We worked with several before I went to Iraq. The rhetoric about deporting all muslims is stupid, period.

I guess since the russians went soft and democratic we needed a new nasty enemy to demonize. I am waiting to see more details. As I also said before, there seems to be evidence that the MPs are responsible for some of the wounded, not the shooter.

The friendly fire would not have occurred without the perpetrators actions, please put the guilt where it is due.
It sounds like you are taking up for him.

GG~

Yes, "the perpetrators actions" are what we are trying to focus on, not any group of people. Whoever that perpetrator might be.

As for guilt the USA does not run on the assumption of guilt however you seem to be. You are confusing "innocent until proven guilty" with something like "oh i'm sure he is innocent". He has the right to a fair trial as a US citizen, and he has the right to be viewed as innocent until proven guilty.

This thread is a perfect example of finding someone guilty in "the court of public opinion" not a court of law.

I hope they wrap him in pig skin before he is buried.

What purpose of justice would that serve, exactly? NONE. May as well tell Jihadists to start crucifying Christian soldiers after they behead them......

What purpose of justice would that serve, exactly? NONE. May as well tell Jihadists to start crucifying Christian soldiers after they behead them......

What purpose? Well it would make me and many more people happy but it could also put a curb on the Muslims by making them think twice before pulling a stunt like this knowing that even if they die they will not be seeing Allah.  Crusifying Christians does not deny them the afterlife but from what i've heard burying a Muslim in pig skin does.  I still get a big smile on my face when I read accounts of the Christian Knights entering Jerusalem after its fall in 1099.   .

The West has been --deleted--footing with the enemy for too long.
What Jimmy (PA) suggests is playing with their minds for as it stands now
they are not afraid. It is the West that is afraid; suicide rates are high, soldiers
are afraid to confront the Muslim enemy.

I'm Confused!

In WWI we had infiltrators!

In WWII we had them!

In The Korean War We Had them!

In Vietnam We Had them!

People We Are At War!

Just Get OVER IT and get the Job Done!

The People we are at War with are not Muslims.  These are a Weird Extream Faction Corrupted by Ambitions!



These are Uneducated to the most parts and Indoctrinated into a world of Hate of people they do not even know.

I've live with them in Turkey and Greece and all I can say is they Just Do Not Think Like You or I Do!!!

People like the Col that just did the thing in Texas, are just plain Brain Washed!!!!

Just like you can take all the Guns away from Everyone, Your never going to stop people from killing each other.

These people have Never Liked us.

They Will Never Like Us!

We took them From the Stone Ages, and if we wish to live a Peaceful life will have to put them back there.

They have been fighting amongst themself for 2000 years.

What makes you think your going to stop it now?

If this Post is Deleted, Your Hiding from the Truth!

The US Army is no place for conscientious objectors yet there are many in place.

And I went to Iraq and saved several lives, which is a fact that has cause some around here to question the validity of my service.

I believe in justice, the law, and fairness. Not BS ideas of a new Crusade. I could care less about your Holy lands, and I do not give a flying pound of monkey feces for it. I could solve the whole middle east problem by dropping a nuke on the Dome of the Rock.

If some of you feel so strongly about this, go out and kill a Muslim. Put your money where your big, braying, stupid mouths are.

If this Post is Deleted, Your Hiding from the Truth!

Jeff's interest in deleting this thread or some posts seems to have waned since Marc made the same comments that would have gotten others deleted.
 


 Jay

Sidebar: The syrup of Saturna, aka lead acetate, was partly responsible for the downfall of the roman empire.

What a good response. 
We can not judge other people.
I like meat. But do not like killing a fly. 
I kill ticks, and try to research them.
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I agree with you.

Thank you for your post. 

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And I went to Iraq and saved several lives, which is a fact that has cause some around here to question the validity of my service.

I believe in justice, the law, and fairness. Not BS ideas of a new Crusade. I could care less about your Holy lands, and I do not give a flying pound of monkey feces for it. I could solve the whole middle east problem by dropping a nuke on the Dome of the Rock.

If some of you feel so strongly about this, go out and kill a Muslim. Put your money where your big, braying, stupid mouths are.

Would you please pat youself on the back a little more. Wanna hear about my expolots in West Germany and the Bader Meinhof gang??? How about exploding Discos, and fellow soldiers dieing on field problems? I am not questioning a thing about your service or your devotion to duty. Now your practical common sense, THAT I question. Yes this Muslim coward murder  is innocent until proven guilty. Of course we all know he is guilty. A camera? Why don't you just ask the survivors if he was the one, or I guess their word is not enough. Again, this scumbag Muslim is innocent in name only. Extremist Muslims world wide rejoice when they find a American with your lack of common sense and willingness to ignore reality. No you go on little boy and bray all you want. Hey, you are defending all Americans rights, including your own, to abuse the liberty's secured by the Constitution. Geeeezzzz

It is good to see the level of respect for a fellow servicemember. I know, I am just a crazy liberal that believes in rule of law over mob justice, and the articles of the UCMJ, which this Major will fall under, if he survives.

As far as the eyewitnesses....they have generally been put under a gag order by the command at Fort Hood. As I said before, I know a few people there.

But sure, lets go kill all muslims, and wrap them in bacon, because that is what a just, good America would do.

Seems like you have forgotten a lot since you were in the service. Mainly the Personal Courage and the Honor portions of the seven Army values.

And I went to Iraq and saved several lives, which is a fact that has cause some around here to question the validity of my service.

I believe in justice, the law, and fairness. Not BS ideas of a new Crusade. I could care less about your Holy lands, and I do not give a flying pound of monkey feces for it. I could solve the whole middle east problem by dropping a nuke on the Dome of the Rock.

If some of you feel so strongly about this, go out and kill a Muslim. Put your money where your big, braying, stupid mouths are.

sorry, but this one was uncalled for and wrong.

If some of you feel so strongly about this, go out and kill a Muslim. Put your money where your big, braying, stupid mouths are.

So what are you saying??

The same as this BBC headline.??

"Shooting Raises Fears For Muslims In US Army"

Lets cut the PC crap....Right now the body count stands at:

Non-Muslims 13
Muslims 0

It is good to see the level of respect for a fellow servicemember. I know, I am just a crazy liberal that believes in rule of law over mob justice, and the articles of the UCMJ, which this Major will fall under, if he survives.

As far as the eyewitnesses....they have generally been put under a gag order by the command at Fort Hood. As I said before, I know a few people there.

But sure, lets go kill all muslims, and wrap them in bacon, because that is what a just, good America would do.

Seems like you have forgotten a lot since you were in the service. Mainly the Personal Courage and the Honor portions of the seven Army values.

As an American I follow the laws but if it was ever open season.....   Oh and lets face it, that is what most America would do, before the days when the few P.C. controlled the majority.  My Grandfather served as a tanker in Korea during the war, his brothers all served in WW2, most of his friends are WW2 and Korea Vets, everyone of them i've spoke to feels the way we do, not you.  Maybe the new military feels the way you do but most older combat vets do not and I have met many of them.  Do they lack courage and values?  I realize this war is far more dangerous than the battlefields of Europe, the pacific, Korea, and Vietnam but...  

Haven't read through many replies, will try to later.

My own thoughts - These things are bound to keep happening, and worse, if we do not take measures to pro actively and preemptively defend ourselves.
There is very little outrage, if any, being expressed officially.
The word it "just be calm", and our so-called leaders seem to be in some hypnotic trance, wondering "why did this terrible tragedy have to happen" ?
Instead of shooting the --deleted-- within 24 hours, after an on the spot court marshal, this is going to drag on for years. The muslim that did that grenade attack in Iraq was sentenced to death in 2005 - Guess what, still in appeals.
What a friggin joke, no ones got a pair anymore, everyones afraid to say anything that will upset any of the precious minorities.
The guy was born in the USA from Palestinian parents.
Born in the USA, yet he is still quoted as saying that he is muslim first, American 2nd and I can guaren damn tee you that they all think that way, and its time that these --deleted--s  start adapting to our culture, our customs, our country, instead of everyone bending over backwards to adapt to them - And they can get the hell out on the first boat if they don't like it.

This meek official reaction "lets have calm, lets not rush any judgment" is all you hear, so now the radical islamics know that all that they can expect when they launch attacks on US soil is hand wringing and moaning.
This is only going to encourage the mall/bus style homicide attacks that until now have been confined to the mid east - Until the people themselves, meaning you and I, start reacting, the government is not going to do 1 single thing about this.
I was flipping through some news channels and on MSNBC their line was "It could have been anyone, an Irishman, a Catholic" ,,, As if the fact that this guy is muslim and shouted ABDUL AKBAR or whatever the hell it is that they say, has nothing to do with this.
My god, no wonder so many throughout the world predict that we are on our last legs.
An outrage like this, a religiously motivated homicide attack on our own troops in our own nation, and everyones just looking for excuses, absolutely pathetic.

edit: Read through some of the replies, its not my style to change anything that I have written.
I will say that when I refer to muslims I mean "extremist muslims" - And before I get jumped by GI Joe for being an armchair warrior, 8 year USMC vet here, including Desert Storm.
I have likewise worked professionally with muslims that I'd classify as decent folks - Doesn't mean I'd want to take them home with me, and that doesn't mean that they wouldn't stick a fork in my back if Allah told them to do it.

Just like extremist christians are not above blowing up an abortion clinic.

Just like extremist christians are not above blowing up an abortion clinic.

 And they too will have to stand before God one day for thier actions.

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I think he was just plain mentally unstable, just like the abortion bombers and murderers. They seem to murder because they are nuts and think that they are doing the right thing in the name of their particular religion, whatever that might be.

Bottom line: They are just plain and simply "mentally somewhere over the rainbow."

Scott

Just like extremist christians are not above blowing up an abortion clinic.

Then these folks are far from being christian....I am glad you used a small c....

It is up to God to judge the women who choose abortion and He will.

Far too many self proclaimed christians are running around judging everyone. As far as this case, yes, I think it was a mental instability issue, not an issue of religious fervor.

One of my friends who was a mental health specialist in Iraq had a nervous breakdown, because all day long, six days a week, she heard an endless stream of horror stories from the marines. And when you are mental health, you do not really have anyone to go to.....

As I have said more than once, we have a legal system in this country for a reason, but most people seemed to have forgotten that, opting instead for the instant gratification of "Trial by Media."

Far too many self proclaimed christians are running around judging everyone. As far as this case, yes, I think it was a mental instability issue, not an issue of religious fervor.

One of my friends who was a mental health specialist in Iraq had a nervous breakdown, because all day long, six days a week, she heard an endless stream of horror stories from the marines. And when you are mental health, you do not really have anyone to go to.....

As I have said more than once, we have a legal system in this country for a reason, but most people seemed to have forgotten that, opting instead for the instant gratification of "Trial by Media."

If trial by media really worked and public opinion really counted then O.J. would be in prison so dont give it too much credit in fixing trials.  As far as all these nervous breakdowns from what i've heard from a lot of vets its just a way to get out of combat, get drugs, get an easy desk job.  I remember one older guy at the VFW saying if they gave every soldier a break who had a bad day in WW2 they would still be on the beaches of North Africa.  Todays military is all volunteer and anyone who joins not thinking you will see some bad stuff and war needs to read some history. Granted im sure it does happen in severe cases but I think its played up way too much especially by liberals, almost like kids and attention disorders.  I thank God everyday for the men who sucked it up and marched on.

So why is it that so many WWII, Korean war, and Vietnam era vets are jamming VA centers trying to get PTSD claims in? Are they just looking for attention and more money?

I have issues that result from things I have seen. So do many other soldiers I have worked and deployed with. Mental illness and combat stress are very real, and this is why we have such a sickeningly high suicide, divorce, alcoholism and drug abuse rate in the military.

Just like extremist christians are not above blowing up an abortion clinic.

You care to compare the carnage caused by extremist Christians vs extremist muslims, I'm ready when you are.
There is no comparison, as both you & I know - Its just one of the talking points that you people are fond of, along with "Yeah, so what about Timothy McVeigh??"

Who exactly are "you people"?

I could care less why someone decides to slaughter people, nor do I care what uniform they wear, what religious creed they subscribe to, or any of a million other stupid reasons people kill each other en masse.

What I like even less than that are those who call for the murder of other people, especially if those people happen to be Americans, based on their particular religion, orientation, political affiliation, etc.

Who exactly are "you people"?

I could care less why someone decides to slaughter people, nor do I care what uniform they wear, what religious creed they subscribe to, or any of a million other stupid reasons people kill each other en masse.

What I like even less than that are those who call for the murder of other people, especially if those people happen to be Americans, based on their particular religion, orientation, political affiliation, etc.

You know exactly who you people are - And I find "I could care less why someone decides to slaughter people" a pretty stunning statement, even though I think you meant that you couldn't care less, not could.
We should now ignore root causes and motivations of murderers ?
Perhaps you'd care to expand on this, would you like this to apply across the board ?
For instance, homicide detectives sure care about the reasons why someone decides to slaughter people, are they now to find a new profession, under your doctrine ?

Not sure who is calling for the murder of Americans, another tendency of you people is crass exaggeration and outright lies to suit your agenda.
Be specific please, theatrical hype just won't do.

Do some back reading. I believe the specific statements were deport all muslims in America...which includes American citizens, as the alleged shooter was.

Other statements included murdering muslims and then wrapping them in a pig hide.

Quit being a sissy, and come right out and say which one of "you people" I am. I meant to put in there that I do not care what the REASONS someone claims for killing large numbers of people. To put it more simply, who gives a flying monkey butt if someone kills lots of people for Allah, or because God told them to, or because the were recieveing encoded messages from their TV?

There is no more inherent drive to murder based on someone being a muslim than there is with someone being a christian. And since it has not been invoked yet....Hitler was a christian. He did a bang up job of murdering millions, unless you are a Holocaust denier too.

Oh, so you turned "deport muslims" into "kill innocent Americans" and didn't think anyone would notice ?
Just another example of the lengths you people will go through to sensationalize.
No one said to "murder muslims and then wrapping them in a pig hide", you are so childish, I swear.
The poster was referring to 1 specific individual, the one who slaughtered our troops in their own land in a religiously motivated rage, not all muslims.
Stop your damn cheap theatrics, you sound ridiculous, a child could poke holes in your ludicrous assertions.

I personally think that they should drag him, ventilator & all, to Ft Hood, commence a field court marshal, conscious or not, and put him before a firing squad within 24 hours.
Further, his immediate family should be given 72 hours to wrap up their affairs, and be deported to country of origin - Which shouldn't be too harsh, after all, they express such a fervorous affinity for their homeland, so they can have it.

You sound like a cream puff - Nothing personal if you are ,,, But are you a girl ?
I know, your Captain America who served in Iraq yadda yadda, maybe you should have stayed there.

.Hitler was a christian. He did a bang up job of murdering millions, unless you are a Holocaust denier too.

just saying you are a christian does not make one so....He actually was brought up Chatolic and then went on to make his own religion...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_religious_beliefs

With a degree in law, I assure you if he is paralyzed.... he will be hauled into the courtroom and receive the Justice deserved.  By the way the last one that rolled a grenade into the tent while serving in Iraq, convicted of killing fellow soldiers is at Leavenworth.Military prison......solitary confinement....not allowed in the general population....wonder why.