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Need help IDing this 1808 Spanish coin

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Posted Nov 06, 2009, 05:17:31 pm

I was wondering everything about this coin. If you could help me on it, it will be much appreciated.
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 05:27:30 pm

Now your talkin silver. Smiley 8 reale Carolus IIII Mexico mint.
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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 05:41:10 pm

Quote from: bigcypresshunter on Nov 06, 2009, 05:27:30 pm
Now your talkin silver. Smiley 8 reale Carolus IIII Mexico mint.


    ...with what looks to be a few Chinese chop marks.
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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 05:49:31 pm

Obverse: An armored, laureated bust of Carlos IV, facing right.
CAROLUS IIII DEI GRATIA 1808

Reverse, a crowned coat of arms of Spain consisting of a quartered shield with castles and lions in the quarters. In the small center shield are three fluers de lis. At the bottom of the shield is a pomegranate. Beside the shield are two columns.
PLUS VUTRA, is inscribed on the ribbons which are wrapped around the columns.
HISPAN ET IND REX (small 'o' over capital 'M'--for Mexico City mint); 8R (8-reales) TH (assayers initials).

Original coin weighed 26.83 grams, was 40 mm in diameter and was .896 silver.
And what appear to be: 3 Chinese 'chop marks' on the king's breastplate--as Iron Patch mentioned above.
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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 05:54:17 pm

Yep!!!Thats alright!!Thats the denomination I want to dig!!
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 08:12:37 pm

Wow, I learned something today.....chopmarks.

http://www.tradedollarnut.com/Home%...st%20links/Collecting/Chopmarks.htm
http://reviews.ebay.com/Chinese-CHOPMARKS_W0QQugidZ10000000008089573

Nice.  thumbsup  This is what its all about, learning.
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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Nov 07, 2009, 02:52:53 am

Nice eye for details Iron Patch and good call on the chopmarks. That's a very nice reale Coins4Cheese  icon_thumleft icon_thumleft

Quote from: 72cheyenne on Nov 06, 2009, 08:12:37 pm
Wow, I learned something today.....chopmarks.

http://www.tradedollarnut.com/Home%...st%20links/Collecting/Chopmarks.htm
http://reviews.ebay.com/Chinese-CHOPMARKS_W0QQugidZ10000000008089573

Nice.  thumbsup  This is what its all about, learning.

You learn something every day. Good link 72cheyenne  icon_thumright
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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Nov 07, 2009, 06:26:31 am

nice coin icon_thumright, nice id icon_thumleft, and thanks for the lesson notworthy
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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Nov 07, 2009, 10:58:19 am

I always thought these might be chop marks but I dont know for sure. Does anyone recognize these marks? I might need a clearer pic.
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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 10:28:08 am

Quote from: bigcypresshunter on Nov 07, 2009, 10:58:19 am
I always thought these might be chop marks but I dont know for sure. Does anyone recognize these marks? I might need a clearer pic.

I think the two 'trees' look like chopmarks.

Here's a link with a rare chopmark in relief:

www.rosenblumcoins.com


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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 12:41:02 pm

I think I see the same chopmark on all three coins. But is it unusual to see chopmarks on a 1768 $Potosi?
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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 01:47:36 pm

Quote from: bigcypresshunter on Nov 08, 2009, 12:41:02 pm
I think I see the same chopmark on all three coins. But is it unusual to see chopmarks on a 1768 $Potosi?

I thought the circled chopmark was a 'chopmark in relief'?
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