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Underwater find in Central Florida

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Posted Nov 05, 2009, 07:34:18 am

The group I go out with have been camped on this site for a while.  We used the OKM Rover C and Grail Finder to locate the object and then verified it's presence with the Bionic 01. 

Nevertheless, we started drilling to get a camera on the object.  After about a month of drilling, weekends only, we hit a void.  We assembled some underwater cameras and this is what we are looking at.

Of course the color camera didn't want to work so at this moment we only have a B&W. 

We still have to get it out of the water.  It is nestled between two boulders and without anyone getting hurt we are, needless to say, very excited.

The video was taken 10/31/2009 so it is 6 days old.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/aN3S5SNLQqM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/aN3S5SNLQqM</a>
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 07:50:26 am

What is it?  Hard to tell in the video?

Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 07:53:23 am

ok, so what do you think it is?
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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 07:54:50 am

 icon_scratch  dontknow
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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 07:59:21 am

We will know much more once we get a color camera on it.  This thing is in between two boulders and it appears to be a box of sort.  Hopefully this weekend we will be able to tell for sure. 
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 08:01:16 am

well at - 9 meters-- about 27 / 30  feet deep in a "aquaifer" ( ie underground  fresh water river)  it appears to be a man made object --I see what to me appears to be a straight side edge and a corner end with a edge along it ( nature as a general rule does not make straight lines and edges ) --it looks sort of like a chest type object --size of course is hard to judge since their nothing to scale it off of.-- very interesting
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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 08:18:32 am

Well obviously it is either a part of a ufo or jimmy hoffa in a box. ha ha . What do mean you had to drill into a void? If it is a treasure chest or box it would be very exciting, but whatever it is would be cool anyway. Gotta love seeing what gets pulled out of the ocean. Keep us posted and be safe!  headbang

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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 08:20:23 am

hope its a pirates chest full of gold coins !!

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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 08:22:54 am

Looks to me like an old rocket casing component ( rockets at NASA at the Cape back in the early days blew up a lot and many components were scattered throughout), if you look at the bottom in the video at what looks like the rim, it's circular and the rim is typical of the 'stages' where two stages of the rocket mount together... just a hunch since I work with rockets/missiles... very interesting find and would be interesting to see some scale in relation.  Does not look like a chest though...
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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 08:26:29 am

Well obviously it is either a part of a ufo or jimmy hoffa in a box. ha ha . What do mean you had to drill into a void? If it is a treasure chest or box it would be very exciting, but whatever it is would be cool anyway. Gotta love seeing what gets pulled out of the ocean. Keep us posted and be safe!  headbang

That must be it.  Jimmy Hoffa in a box.   tongue3  We drilled down until we hit the void.  We used the Rover C to detect it and then we detected the void.  Persistance.  Looking forward to get a positive ID.
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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 12:35:24 pm


cool I have no idea, all the trash in here in Florida from the military, goverment, and other sources it could be anything.  good luck getting it up and seeing icon_thumleft

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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 12:38:04 pm

How far to the nearest aquifer entry point above ground (ie-sinkhole or spring etc.)? This was located over land and you drilled down through to the aquifer correct? dontknow

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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 12:46:54 pm

Scary, I hope its gold and not a body.... Can't wait to see what it is !!  icon_scratch

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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 01:01:59 pm

We already have a hole leading down to the aquifer.  The target is located in between two boulders of mammoth size.
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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 03:25:11 pm

I don't know where everyone is seeing a straight line.  The line, the main one is curved.

I don't know the scale of what we are looking at, could be the size of a deck of cards or the size of a house.

This is my interpretation of what I see.  It is a flat bottom skiff or jon boat.  The clear north/south line is curved, it is the edge or chine of the bottom.  The fainter lines east/west are the bottom planking, they lie athwart-ship. A little nautical lingo there!

The world waits to find out.  Wonder if I can get odds on my analysis?

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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 06:57:31 pm

Are those polyp's that I see or some sort of diverticulitis? laughing9
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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 08:49:01 pm

It's probably an aluminum prop off of someone's boat. laughing7
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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Nov 05, 2009, 11:06:52 pm

What were you looking for when you found this?
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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 03:29:28 am

We are looking in an area where there was confirmed tall ship traffic.  This is right near an old outpost.
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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 07:53:52 am

I don't know the scale of what we are looking at, could be the size of a deck of cards or the size of a house.
I was curious about this same thing. What say you cassbiz? Can you give us a reference as to size?  I believe the film mentioned a 2in core hole?Also what do you make of the images shown from 3min 38 seconds to around 3 min 42 seconds into the film. Almost looks like a wooden pallet.  icon_scratch dontknow

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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 08:08:39 am

I don't know the scale of what we are looking at, could be the size of a deck of cards or the size of a house.
I was curious about this same thing. What say you cassbiz? Can you give us a reference as to size?  I believe the film mentioned a 2in core hole?Also what do you make of the images shown from 3min 38 seconds to around 3 min 42 seconds into the film. Almost looks like a wooden pallet.  icon_scratch dontknow
I am roughly guessing at the size.  I am guessing that it is from 18" to 24" long and 12" to 16" wide.  As I mentioned before we are going to be taking color videos this weekend and hopefully the water will be clearer.  So pray for good weather so we can get it all resolved.  Believe me I am hoping that it is something worth a lot.  I need it about now.   Grin

In regards to it being a pallet, my question would be, how in the world did it get down there?
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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 08:20:16 am

cassbizz, I don't quite understand, you mentioned tall ships; are you on land drilling down, or are you at sea drilling down through the bottom?

Either way, it's hard to imagine an object getting down through meters of soil to an underground aguaifer unless it floated in through  from the open source of the underground river? If that's the case, isn't it likely that what you found is something fairly light, a cork filled icebox door, an aluminum cooler,  or something similar which got trapped between the rocks?

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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 08:21:11 am

In regards to it being a pallet, my question would be, how in the world did it get down there?
with the current?
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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 08:22:35 am

cassbizz, I don't quite understand, you mentioned tall ships; are you on land drilling down, or are you at sea drilling down through the bottom?

I think he is inland Central Florida in a fresh water spring that leads to a river.
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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 08:23:44 am

cassbizz, I don't quite understand, you mentioned tall ships; are you on land drilling down, or are you at sea drilling down through the bottom?

Either way, it's hard to imagine an object getting down through meters of soil to an underground aguaifer unless it floated in through  from the open source of the underground river? If that's the case, isn't it likely that what you found is something fairly light, a cork filled icebox door, an aluminum cooler,  or something similar which got trapped between the rocks?
We are on land drilling down.  The proximity to the open water is roughly 200 feet.  A group consensus is that it was buried then sank down over the years.  We hit a patch of sand before the boulders in which it could have quickly worked its way through.
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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 08:35:40 am

cassbizz, I don't quite understand, you mentioned tall ships; are you on land drilling down, or are you at sea drilling down through the bottom?

Either way, it's hard to imagine an object getting down through meters of soil to an underground aquifer unless it floated in through  from the open source of the underground river? If that's the case, isn't it likely that what you found is something fairly light, a cork filled icebox door, an aluminum cooler,  or something similar which got trapped between the rocks?
We are on land drilling down.  The proximity to the open water is roughly 200 feet.  A group consensus is that it was buried then sank down over the years.  We hit a patch of sand before the boulders in which it could have quickly worked its way through.

Cassbizz, I do a lot of digging here at the Jersey shore in an area rich in aquifers. One thing about sand, if there's not some real obvious percolation, things don't sink very far. After going down a foot or two sand is usually hard packed, so hard that down here many of our colonial home's foundations are built upon it. You need percolation, almost like quick sand, to make things sink that far down.

For a few seconds of your video it showed something with a crisscrossed pattern. Was that the camera doing it or was that the object? if it was the object, then again, it leads to a high probability to found an ice chest that floated down the river.

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Reply To This Topic #26 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 09:02:57 am

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Cassbizz, I do a lot of digging here at the Jersey shore in an area rich in aquifers. One thing about sand, if there's not some real obvious percolation, things don't sink very far. After going down a foot or two sand is usually hard packed, so hard that down here many of our colonial home's foundations are built upon it. You need percolation, almost like quick sand, to make things sink that far down.

For a few seconds of your video it showed something with a crisscrossed pattern. Was that the camera doing it or was that the object? if it was the object, then again, it leads to a high probability to found an ice chest that floated down the river.

That may be the case in many places.  I have dug many holes where the conditions are as you explain.  I also have dug holes where the bottom falls out and it becomes quick sand.  Sometimes it is just a matter of inches before the change happens.
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Reply To This Topic #27 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 09:46:39 am

Cassbiz... from frames 4:48 thru 5:00 it looks like the keel of an aluminum boat, could a sunken jon boat or similar found it's way and lodged itself between those boulders? Also central Florida is known for sinkholes, one could have happen sometime back and had debris lodged and the Corps of Engineers could have filled that hole in... just a thought... would be very expensive to dig just to find old trash... many people used to bury their trash back in the day...
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Reply To This Topic #28 Posted Nov 06, 2009, 11:18:33 am

Cassbiz... from frames 4:48 thru 5:00 it looks like the keel of an aluminum boat, could a sunken jon boat or similar found it's way and lodged itself between those boulders? Also central Florida is known for sinkholes, one could have happen sometime back and had debris lodged and the Corps of Engineers could have filled that hole in... just a thought... would be very expensive to dig just to find old trash... many people used to bury their trash back in the day...
You make a very good point.  This is why we are going to be putting in a color camera with better control.  The B&W camera had, as you can see, minimum control.
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Reply To This Topic #29 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 03:10:37 am

Oh what  frustration.  I was hoping to be able to see the target and get a positive id.   We got an underwater color camera dropped it in the water and the LED's didn't work.   All weekend we tried everything possible to get it to work without luck.  We couldn't see a thing in the water. Angry

Now there is that Hurricane Ida going through the Gulf.  As long as she keeps going North our site won't be destroyed.
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