Jesse James Treasure

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

A buddy of mine, Dr. Roy Roush (PhD--Archaeology), was a consultant for that show. He (naturally) also recommended I watch it.
Don.........

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

I've seen the trailer/teaser as well. Appears as if History Channel may be running a special on the various conspiracy theories surrounding Jesse James and the plethora of legends. 

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

I've seen the trailer/teaser as well. Appears as if History Channel may be running a special on the various conspiracy theories surrounding Jesse James and the plethora of legends. 

Are you gonna call in and ask them to produce documents?

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

I've seen the trailer/teaser as well. Appears as if History Channel may be running a special on the various conspiracy theories surrounding Jesse James and the plethora of legends. 

Are you gonna call in and ask them to produce documents?

Would you have a problem with that, if I did?  Surely someone that believes the Moon Landing was a hoax, such as yourself, would request supporting documentation.

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

I've seen the trailer/teaser as well. Appears as if History Channel may be running a special on the various conspiracy theories surrounding Jesse James and the plethora of legends. 

Are you gonna call in and ask them to produce documents?

Would you have a problem with that, if I did?  Surely someone that believes the Moon Landing was a hoax, such as yourself, would request supporting documentation.

No problem. I'll even help you look for the phone number.

If you want to contribute to the fake moon landing thread, you can do that. This is not that thread. But if you see footage of Jesse James, I guess it has to be real, right?

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

I've seen the trailer/teaser as well. Appears as if History Channel may be running a special on the various conspiracy theories surrounding Jesse James and the plethora of legends. 

Are you gonna call in and ask them to produce documents?

Would you have a problem with that, if I did?  Surely someone that believes the Moon Landing was a hoax, such as yourself, would request supporting documentation.

No problem. I'll even help you look for the phone number.

If you want to contribute to the fake moon landing thread, you can do that. This is not that thread. But if you see footage of Jesse James, I guess it has to be real, right?

Jesse James (the outlaw) is dead. The chances of seeing footage of him are as ridicules as saying the Moon Landing was a hoax.

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

I've seen the trailer/teaser as well. Appears as if History Channel may be running a special on the various conspiracy theories surrounding Jesse James and the plethora of legends. 

Are you gonna call in and ask them to produce documents?

Would you have a problem with that, if I did?  Surely someone that believes the Moon Landing was a hoax, such as yourself, would request supporting documentation.

No problem. I'll even help you look for the phone number.

If you want to contribute to the fake moon landing thread, you can do that. This is not that thread. But if you see footage of Jesse James, I guess it has to be real, right?

Jesse James (the outlaw) is dead. The chances of seeing footage of him are as ridicules as saying the Moon Landing was a hoax.

Yeah, I kind of figured he was dead. But I don't have documented proof. We shouldn't believe it without documented proof.
I'd still say you have as good a chance seeing footage of him as you do seeing a real moon landing. No proof for either.

I saw that dirtscratcher and thought it might be pretty cool to watch, but I go back to work that night.  I ain't gonna be a smarta** and go on about actual footage of Dingus and the moon landin, and if Elvis is alive, and so on.  Your post didn't relate to that.  Thanks for the heads up.

For those who forget to watch or have a VCR malfunction it will
be rebroadcast on saturday night. siegfried schlagrule

I live not to far from Kearney MO...to hear tell, there is Jesse James treasure buried from here to Oklahoma and from here to Kansas and Kentucky...  But in all seriousness, if you do the math....and the research, where did all those years of proceeds from the robberies go?  In the 1980's the State of Mo allowed Medal detectors on the James property (first time ever detected) 1 park attendant per detector person.....NO Caches..NO LOOT...they said they didn't really think money would be hidden there.  Mainly due to the Pinkertons and other agencies of dubious character watching the premises.  

Thanks for the INFO....just set TV to record it.....I'll find those hidden treasures.

Thanks for the INFO....just set TV to record it.....I'll find those hidden treasures.

Careful...don't run upon any stills.

     I grew up hearing all kinds of stories about Jesse James and what all he and his gang supposedly did in this area. I am no expert but it doesn't take much common sense to realize that most of it has to be embellished. Here is a neat on-line book written by Cole Younger (his auto-biography) after he was released from prison in 1903. It mentions Jesse James briefly and doesn't go into any details of a lot of robberies except for the Northfield raid but it is a very interesting first hand, believeable account of how things happened back then. I hope you enjoy it,

Charlie

http://www.gutenberg.org/files/24585/24585-h/24585-h.html

I live not to far from Kearney MO...to hear tell, there is Jesse James treasure buried from here to Oklahoma and from here to Kansas and Kentucky...  But in all seriousness, if you do the math....and the research, where did all those years of proceeds from the robberies go?  In the 1980's the State of Mo allowed Medal detectors on the James property (first time ever detected) 1 park attendant per detector person.....NO Caches..NO LOOT...they said they didn't really think money would be hidden there.  Mainly due to the Pinkertons and other agencies of dubious character watching the premises.  

I am pretty sure they would have buried it too deep for a mere metal detector of the 1980's to find. Perhaps a two box or a magnetometer of today would be capable of finding it if any is there.

GG~

Jesse and Frank were big into horse racin, so I've heard.  They probably spent most everything they ever stole.  Still, it's pretty fun to speculate about treasure they never spent.

 

     Lol Baspinall, you know telling some adults that Elvis is dead is worse then telling little kids that Santa is dead

BS, I saw the King this afternoon at the car show in McAllen selling funnel cakes today. He is not dead! Thanks for the heads up dirtscratcher. I had heard about it and forgotten it was playing Monday. As for SWR"s antics, just chuckle and go on with life. He does this sort of thing a lot, but don't be provoked. Again, thanks.

As for SWR"s antics, just chuckle and go on with life. He does this sort of thing a lot, but don't be provoked.

Antics? Just because I take a stance on issues and refuse to be sucking into the wonderful world of conspiracy theories or internet crappola....do not confuse this with antics. How childish 

Cool.  Dirtscratcher just posted a little heads up about somethin we might want to watch with no judgement either way on the material.  Thanks.  Antics?  Well, I suppose you could say that  SWR is an easily provoked smartass.  Well, I guess so am I because I have to side with SWR on a lot of things.  I just protest them in a different way.  I may not agree with them, but SWR has some posts that made me back up and take a different look at some things.  I learn a lot from controversy.

Look, a good soul (dirtscratcher, and no I do not have documented proof on him being a good soul) simply posted some very good info for those of us that want to tune in Monday. Deviation from that is just antics. Opinion really does not matter here. Heck, I do not necessarily believe all the KGC stuff about James but I would like to watch the show. My opinion on weather or not the James deal is true has nothing to do with the atrutistic nature of this thread. Yes, starting a debate here on the truth or conspiracy of the KGC and Jessie James is slinging cow pie against the wall and seeing if it will stick. Yes, immature antics indeed. Not nice. I am sure SWR makes great post and does a fine job of being the devils advocate. Sorry, but this is not the approiate thread. Like it or not, it is the truth.

Look, a good soul (dirtscratcher, and no I do not have documented proof on him being a good soul) simply posted some very good info for those of us that want to tune in Monday. Deviation from that is just antics. Opinion really does not matter here. Heck, I do not necessarily believe all the KGC stuff about James but I would like to watch the show. My opinion on weather or not the James deal is true has nothing to do with the atrutistic nature of this thread. Yes, starting a debate here on the truth or conspiracy of the KGC and Jessie James is slinging cow pie against the wall and seeing if it will stick. Yes, immature antics indeed. Not nice. I am sure SWR makes great post and does a fine job of being the devils advocate. Sorry, but this is not the approiate thread. Like it or not, it is the truth.

General Discussion is the section this is posted in...and general discussion it shall be.

Your opinion counts, as well as mine. HOWEVER...as statistics show...when SWR makes a post, the woogies come out of the woodwork in a wonderful fashion of hush your mouth.

HA!

Look, a good soul (dirtscratcher, and no I do not have documented proof on him being a good soul) simply posted some very good info for those of us that want to tune in Monday. Deviation from that is just antics. Opinion really does not matter here. Heck, I do not necessarily believe all the KGC stuff about James but I would like to watch the show. My opinion on weather or not the James deal is true has nothing to do with the atrutistic nature of this thread. Yes, starting a debate here on the truth or conspiracy of the KGC and Jessie James is slinging cow pie against the wall and seeing if it will stick. Yes, immature antics indeed. Not nice. I am sure SWR makes great post and does a fine job of being the devils advocate. Sorry, but this is not the approiate thread. Like it or not, it is the truth.

General Discussion is the section this is posted in...and general discussion it shall be.

Your opinion counts, as well as mine. HOWEVER...as statistics show...when SWR makes a post, the woogies come out of the woodwork in a wonderful fashion of hush your mouth.

HA!

That's because almost every time you make a post it's telling someone they are wrong, or misled. A lot of us don't necessarily disagree with you on some of your beliefs, it's just that every time someone sneezes they are made to feel silly because they can't prov it was a real sneeze. It really gets old. REALLY!

History Channel just ran ad for monday night looks interesting.

I've seen the trailer/teaser as well. Appears as if History Channel may be running a special on the various conspiracy theories surrounding Jesse James and the plethora of legends. 

Here...I just want to re-post my original post, before the woogies came out.

Please to notice...it is on topic...short and to the point...no big deal. UNTIL.....the usual cast of characters have to make an off-topic assult on my post. Yeah, making off-topic assaults are OK, but on-topic posts are seen as antics.   

That's because almost every time you make a post it's telling someone they are wrong, or misled. A lot of us don't necessarily disagree with you on some of your beliefs, it's just that every time someone sneezes they are made to feel silly because they can't prov it was a real sneeze. It really gets old. REALLY!

Might I suggest using the IGNORE feature, rather than disrupt the thread? 

That's because almost every time you make a post it's telling someone they are wrong, or misled. A lot of us don't necessarily disagree with you on some of your beliefs, it's just that every time someone sneezes they are made to feel silly because they can't prov it was a real sneeze. It really gets old. REALLY!

Might I suggest using the IGNORE feature, rather than disrupt the thread? 

Ignore don't make the problem go away. If it were that simple.
Good grief man, just give people a little breathing room.

By the way, the challenger space shuttle explosion wasnt real either (I only saw it on TV).  But if someone can show me the pieces of what is claimed to be the shuttle, and then prove to me that they are from the challenger and not a fabrication of a different one, then just maybe I will choose, out of convenience, to acknowledge it. .

Anyway, on to the real topic.  As far as Jesse James goes, I would like to see the program but cant, guess I will wait for the re-runs or you tube.  I am not sure there is as much jesse james related caches out there as people think.  From what I have read about him, he seemed to have spent as much on women, wiskey, horses, and whatever else his lifestyle demanded (not to mention what the others in his group spent) as he managed to steal.  Do I think there are some?  Absolutely!  Just not that many.  If anyone on tnet goes looking for one, good luck.  I hope you find what your looking for.  Just be careful who you tell or post about your finds. 

Prospector 40:
I read (either on this thread or elsewhere) that the JJ show will be rebroadcast on Saturday. You may wish to check the History Channel listings to confirm.
Don.....

SWR: I would like to apologize. You re-posted your original and you know I really misread it. I see that now and again would like to offer my sincere apologia.  Sorry.
Prospect: Why can you not see it? If it is work or something they are going to rebroadcast it, or possibly you do not get the History channel? Regardless, if you cannot get this I will go old school and burn it to DVD for you. Later pal.

My g'mother was the first person Cole Younger came to see after returning to KC from Mn.He wanted a job or money.She gave him some money but no job.He and Frank James then went to Ok to supposedly look for a cashe,their's or someone else's,I don't know.Not being able to locate it,they then went on to the Wild West show.No other buried treasures that I know of although Jesse's wife lived in an upper middleclass part of KC after his death and I don't know the source of her income.My folks really didn't talk too much about them to us kids.I know they did see Belle Starr's daughter Pearl and that her g'daughter lived near us.I would think that there was no more than maybe one or two buried cashes.Money was spent fast by the gang.Frank especially liked horse racing and worked at a track for awhile.He was also a shoe salesman.I noted some of this a while back on t'net - http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,61476.msg446217/topicseen.html#msg446217

  I can document that Jesse James was the first man on the moon.....he hid a few million dollars there.
  Thanks for the heads-up on the documentary guys.

This is a fact. He also carved a bunch of turtles, owls, wolfs, skulls into the mountains and craters to show where the treasure was buried.


Jay

Frank came down to Oklahoma and bought a place near Fletcher, and allegedly scoured the Wichitas for lost caches, and maybe found some... It's an established fact Frank came down there and bought the place.  His mom died in Oklahoma City while returning to Missouri from Fletcher on the train.  They moved Frank's house over to that park by Cache.  I've sat on the front porch before.  One thing most folks don't realize is that the Ford brothers could never have took out Frank.  He got milder in his later years, but he was very cold blooded and quicker prone to violence.  So whatever he says he was lookin for in the Wichitas, it's fine with me.

I contacted one of my buds in grove city.  They are going to DVR it.  Gonna watch it one way or the other.  I dont have cable where I live, not to mention I am too cheap to spring for the more pricey alternatives.  Sounds like a good show for the family, I got two left at home and they both will love it. 


http://www.history.com/shows.do?action=detail&episodeId=502912

I dont have cable where I live, not to mention I am too cheap to spring for the more pricey alternatives. 

Then how are you gonna know it was the real space shuttle that blew up?

Well, let the show begin.

Whew! I was afraid Geraldo would be hosting the show.

That's because almost every time you make a post it's telling someone they are wrong, or misled. A lot of us don't necessarily disagree with you on some of your beliefs, it's just that every time someone sneezes they are made to feel silly because they can't prov it was a real sneeze. It really gets old. REALLY!

The advice I received by a very smart lady here on T-net, was when he gets like that, just shake him off your leg and go on  

GG~

  Well, the History Channel show brought up more questions than answers.
There was a little excitement when two small (AHEM) caches were unearthed.
But the biggest surprise was the Kansas locality the search team found James/
KGC? markers.
  Naturally the team ran out of cash before getting to the big cache.  Talk about
not covering your holes.
  I gave it three stars for originality.  The Dalton connection was debunked also.

 "Shake him off your leg and go on ." I'm gonna use that a lot in future replies to one individual 
 I saw some interesting things in the show . What I saw most was someone jockying for another 2 hr
TV show .
 As I posted on another thread ; that baby 'hoptoad' was capable of digging much more than they scratched in 'Part One'.......Stay tuned for the next exciting episode .

Hey gang,
 Watched the show twice tonight and recorded it.... It was pretty cool, they found a small cache ( 21 coins including a $10 and $20 gold coin ) and a small dore bar ( gold )...

PLL

Think they were real or plants?  It was hard to tell, and the lone gold bar under a tree?  I guess they just could have been really really lucky.

I am just getting started in detecting and have no experience but those coins they found on that show looked like they were in awfully good condition compared to what I have seen of other finds posted on here.

i tivoed and watched the show and i liked it! very entertaining! i wish they would have had more on the research they did to come up with locations, but i guess that would not be in their best interest after spending so much time and money on this research! he had a lot of notes and hand drawn maps that he had made over the years of his research! im sure all of the locations on the show were on private land, so going out looking for a place to dig wouldnt be productive!

Ron (Warsawdaddy) ill see you saturday at the meeting in Wellington!

Think they were real or plants?  It was hard to tell, and the lone gold bar under a tree?  I guess they just could have been really really lucky.

     I was wondering the same thing Jimmy...I hope they weren't planted there to make for "good TV" but the recovery looked real enough. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt unless some one with the crew comes out and says different, I think they really did find these caches. It would be a really good publicity stunt to get more funding though. As far as leaving the "vault" dig site unfinished I just can't buy that, I have seen guys dig ponds and move a lot more dirt in a very short time with a lot less equipment. I don't think there is anyone on Earth that would stop digging if they truly believed there was a huge vault of treasure just a few feet deeper.

     Overall it was a very good show, I am now more inclined to believe that Jesse James death was faked after hearing some of the questions raised by the researchers:

1. Why would the governor assassinate Jesse and pardon Frank? I would like to know more about Governor Crittenden's political views and previous actions.

2. Why did the Clay county Sherriff get involved at all, the murder took place in Buchanan county almost 50 miles away. As high profile of a case as this one was at the time I can't see St. Joseph officials allowing another county to step in like that.

3. The sign in sheet from the Confederate reunion was pretty interesting too, I wonder why anyone would sign Jesse James name to it? Would they have thought this was a good joke back then and is there any way to analyze his hand writing along with the signature?

     It was a very good program, I hope they do a follow up.

HH Charlie

Some of you may be interested in this site.It is very in depth with JJ biographers and researcers and descendants.Lots of documentation to a lot of your questions.You may have to join the site,it's free.Go to the site and click on Jesse James discussion.Click on any topic on the left and when it comes up,also at the top of the left side will be 'All'.Click on that and you will get all the history topics discussed(50 at a time).

http://forums.prospero.com/delphicomz/myforums

As far as I know DNA test ended any doubt as to Jesse James being dead and buried in the alleged grave.  The signiture in the book was most likely someone playing a joke or someone could have signed it for Jesse James, you know like Jesse was still among them in spirit.  As for the last treasure, I agree, why would anyone leave that site?  A few guys with shovels could have gone a few foot deep in a day beyond what the backhoe did. If he really believed any real treasure was there he would not have left the site and obviously any landowners in the area will now know the location by the giant hole.  I mean how deep could they really have buried it in 1880, chances are it was brought to the remote site on a wagon by a few men with shovels.   What would be the need to bury it 20 feet instead of 5 or 10? 

Found this today.  Where's my silver & gold  

Ron (Warsawdaddy) ill see you saturday at the meeting in Wellington!

I'll be there! See ya saturday.

Why is that jar called a "Mason" jar?  
 
A Mason jar is a glass jar used in canning to preserve food. They were invented and patented by John L. Mason in 1858.  They are also called Ball jars, after Ball Corp., a popular and early manufacturer of the jars; fruit jars because they are often used to store fruit; or generically glass canning jars. While largely supplanted by other methods for commercial mass-production, they are still commonly used in home canning.

Antique mason jars are eagerly sought by collectors, and are bought and sold not only through antique stores, but also on auction sites such as eBay. While most jars sell for only a few dollars, some have sold for as high as $30,000. The value of a jar is related to its age, rarity, and condition.

GG~

hey gang,
 According to the show ( and several books ) the DNA is in question, because they couldn't use the main DNA testing, they had to settle for the second one, and I can't remember the name . Also, there was a question about the donor source of DNA and that there were many James family members buried at the farm, they are not sure if it was Jesse that they dug up. Here is a link to the data http://www.eva.mpg.de/genetics/pdf/Stone.JFS.2001.pdf

PLL

 On the golddore bar it was buried pretty deep in the main root section of the tree. I was wondering if they found more but elected not to show it on TV...

PLL

Kinda suspect, isn't it?
The whole guns and fake badges thing turned me off RIGHT AWAY.
I understand being armed, and recommend it. These guys went a little overboard and made a point to show off that fact.
I know there is a lot of armchair quarterbacking, and I am guilty of it myself, but something is off...
My only way to explain SOME of it is two ways.

1. The show was filmed over a period of time and they showed excerpts, not showing the digging of some targets due to the fact that there was nothing there and they needed to make it "interesting" to a normal TV audience.
What WE, here view as interesting, the regular viewing public probably views as boring, sadly enough.

2.  I think the "not going farther or digging more" thing has to do with funding.  They have a two hour "commercial" to look for marketing and backing now. They just need to sit back and wait, and like a lot of grant and investor backed ventures, you need to get what you can to continue YOUR reward, which is the HUNT not the prize. Pretty sure they signed off all rights to anything they find a while back.

Nail on the head!! A big two hour commercial for funding so Pastore won't have to get a real job!

In my opinion both treasures they "found" were planted. The coins and jar were way to clean to have been in the ground for 100 years. The "gold" bar would have been completely enveloped by the tree and not stuck back in a crevice like it was. If that was put there 100 years or more ago that tree would have been a twig at the time. Anything in the ground that long gets caked with dirt that doesn't just fall off and show a shiny silver coin.

In my opinion this whole thing was completely bogus and just a way for Pastore to be "famous", something he's wanted to be his whole life.

http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,167457.0.html

I thought I remembered a post related to this subject.

Also they left the targets and came back later to dig them to check out other sites.  I mean a good hit at 12in?  How long will that take to dig with a large shovel? A minute.  If the objects were real and you received a hit like that you would not wait, move to another site a few miles away and come back later, it makes no sense.  If it was done for good tv they could have just shown the clip later.  IDk I find it suspicious, chances of this being related to Jesse James or the KGC IMO are remote, very remote in fact.  If anything it was a farmers stash but even then why bury it so far out and not closer to your house?  I guess all things are possible but I still think it was a plant it just doesnt add up.  And both jars just happen to have gold coins in them?  Come on...  The only reason im not 100% sure its fake is due to the fact that some coins were dated after 1882, why would they plant coins dated after his death?

     If and I stress "IF" they planted them, putting dates in there after 1882 adds to the possibility that he faked his death.

Speculating that Jesse James buried the coins in the first place is just speculation. 

Speculating that Jesse James buried the coins in the first place is just speculation. 

 

     If and I stress "IF" they planted them, putting dates in there after 1882 adds to the possibility that he faked his death.

Good point considering that was one of the main focus of the show.  So now we can add to the fact that the coins were dated after his death BUT just enough after his death to make them relevent to him had he faked his death.  So say he did fake his death and you needed some sort of cache proof of this coins from the mid and late 1880's would be perfect, coins from the 90's and into the 1900's would be too new IMO.  These Caches were just too perfect to the story to be true IMO.  Had they dug some early 20th century caches i'd have faith they were real but 2 caches, in seperate locations dated to just after his death?     These guys should play the lottery.

   Someone on this thread or the other one mentioned that the broken glass jar they dug up was pretty clean and shiny too. I thought the porcelain lid liner was pretty clean for being dug also. Every one that I have ever dug was packed with dirt.

In reference to the other string with the photo of the back to back J, that is the same double J that was shown on the show. The guy that made the post did not take that photo. I think he blamed it on a relative or something. That photo was taken at the site shown on the show. I know because I took that photo!

Why use coins dated after 1882, because he was trying to prove JJ didn't die then. Speculation and BS is what Pastore is really good at. Besides, if you're going to seed a hole you might as well use newer coins because they are cheaper to buy! 

In reference to the other string with the photo of the back to back J, that is the same double J that was shown on the show. The guy that made the post did not take that photo. I think he blamed it on a relative or something. That photo was taken at the site shown on the show. I know because I took that photo!

Why use coins dated after 1882, because he was trying to prove JJ didn't die then. Speculation and BS is what Pastore is really good at. Besides, if you're going to seed a hole you might as well use newer coins because they are cheaper to buy! 

Did you detect the site?  Was there any targets there when you hit it?  A mason jar would be pretty hard to miss right at the base of that cliff.  If you have been to that site and detected it, this is just more proof that the jar was planted.

Yes, that cliff was checked several times with different detectors and we didn't miss anything. There is a small set of caves along that cliff face and the spot he "found" the coins and jar at was just to the south of the last cave entrance. The double J is at the other end of the caves and no where near where they made their "find". I will also say that these caves were formed by water trickling through the sandstone, water that still trickles out now so that the sand along that cliff face is almost always damp if not wet. This would add to the inconsistency of the silver coins being nice and clean, almost shiney when they came out of the ground.

One other thing, Pastore likes to grand stand and when he would think he found something in a hole he was always yelling and screaming and acting like he was the man with the plan. There was none of that when they "found" either of the two treasures on this show. He was very calm and cool, just like he expected it. And for a treasure hunter he couldn't work a detector to save his life. He didn't even own one and probably still doesn't to this day.

Yes, that cliff was checked several times with different detectors and we didn't miss anything. There is a small set of caves along that cliff face and the spot he "found" the coins and jar at was just to the south of the last cave entrance. The double J is at the other end of the caves and no where near where they made their "find". I will also say that these caves were formed by water trickling through the sandstone, water that still trickles out now so that the sand along that cliff face is almost always damp if not wet. This would add to the inconsistency of the silver coins being nice and clean, almost shiney when they came out of the ground.

One other thing, Pastore likes to grand stand and when he would think he found something in a hole he was always yelling and screaming and acting like he was the man with the plan. There was none of that when they "found" either of the two treasures on this show. He was very calm and cool, just like he expected it. And for a treasure hunter he couldn't work a detector to save his life. He didn't even own one and probably still doesn't to this day.

Yeah, I kinda figured that. Something smelled funny.
As I previosuly mentioned, WHAT the HELL was with all the guns and badges???
usually that's a sign of somebody that doesn't feel respected or important on some level.
I think that guy is a little off....

 None of these posts look good for the History Channel home team 

That "guy" is more than a little off. He has always wanted to be famous and said several times he would announce to the world when he found a treasure that it belonged to JJ just so he could be famous.

I can see carrying a gun, for snakes (both kinds) but the badges and matching jackets? That's Pastore trying to be "important". He likes to call himself an acheologist but he used to dig holes using a hand auger instead of a shovel. He wasn't worried about preserving anything. He also declared once that he had found a bone while digging a hole and screamed out loud "we have a body here" . It turned out to be a tree root!

That "guy" is more than a little off. He has always wanted to be famous and said several times he would announce to the world when he found a treasure that it belonged to JJ just so he could be famous.

I can see carrying a gun, for snakes (both kinds) but the badges and matching jackets? That's Pastore trying to be "important". He likes to call himself an acheologist but he used to dig holes using a hand auger instead of a shovel. He wasn't worried about preserving anything. He also declared once that he had found a bone while digging a hole and screamed out loud "we have a body here" . It turned out to be a tree root!

Oh GOD..
One of THOSE...

Probably got picked on as a kid, the whole 9 yards....

You know, i am a shooter, i carry a gun, but YEAH, that was a little excessive.

Alec,
 
     I noticed that you have not posted since Feb. of '08. I am just curious as to why this subject brought you back to the forum after such a long absence? Obviously you have personal expierences with Ron Pastore, would you being willing to elaborate a little more on your past dealings with him? Sorry if I am being nosey but you have definitely got me curious.

Charlie

Yes, I have been absent from this forum for awhile. I had been posting at Ancient Lost Treasures forum for a while.

I worked that very same site as on the show with Pastore several years ago. He contacted me wanting help interpreting the signs.  I was only with the group (Pastore, two others and myself) for a couple of months. Even though he and the others camped out on the property I later found out they hadn't even talked to the land owner about being there. He told me a nieghbor told them the land owner probably wouldn't mind if they looked around. He took this as permission to do whatever he wanted.

Pastore would always ride with someone else and use somebody elses stuff because he never had any of his own and didn't bother trying to get any. In my opinion he liked to mooch off of anybody and everybody he could (and apparently still does). He would show up at the site at 10 a.m. drinking Jack Daniels and sit around while everyone else searched the area for carvings and markers. At lunch he would take a break from sitting on his ass and smoke some dope. That's when I decided he wasn't for me.

I consider him to be a very big detriment to any site and hunt beacuse of his drinking and smoking, his attitude and the way he does things in general.

I am only posting concerning this because I want to make sure that people don't fall for any of his BS and get sucked into letting him on their site thinking he can find treasure. He couldn't find his own ass with both hands. He's a user and I don't care for people like that. This show pissed me off and It's my opinion the treasures they "found" on the show were planted just for the show. Pastore would have ran around screaming like a little girl if he had uncovered a real treasure.

I think honest, hard working treasure hunters deserve a better reputation than Ron Pastore.

   Ok, I'm just curious what you guys what like to see.... I mean, you think it's planted, you think he's trying to " cash In ", you don't like what they wear.... So just how does a " professional " ( keep in mind it's a team of people ) look, act, and what's wrong with trying to make a living out of what we do That does require one making money some way, some how ?? How does one do that if not through TV Just curious, not looking for a argument, just curious.....

PLL

Cache is pronouced cash...not cash-shey

   Ok, I'm just curious what you guys what like to see.... I mean, you think it's planted, you think he's trying to " cash In ", you don't like what they wear.... So just how does a " professional " ( keep in mind it's a team of people ) look, act, and what's wrong with trying to make a living out of what we do That does require one making money some way, some how ?? How does one do that if not through TV Just curious, not looking for a argument, just curious.....

PLL

I think we have a low tolerance for BS.

You have a large cross section here, from all around the world.

Personally my only problem is I think that somebody that makes badges  and uniforms for themselves and flashes guns like they are guarding the gold reserves at fort knox is maybe overcompensating for something...
Like, may trying a little TOO hard...

Thank you SWR!  

I'm not trying to argue either and I'm all for making money and if you can do it treasure hunting then more power to you! That's what I would like to be doing. For me this is about warning people. Trusting this guy with your information or site would be a very big mistake in my opinion.

Do you and your treasure hunting buddies wear matching jackets and have a name for your group? You have to know this guy to know what he is doing. He is all about the image. Just like a con man, you have to put on the right show to get the payday. Always leave them wanting more.

I do think the treasures were planted and common sense is on my side. I can't prove it and this is definitely my opinion but personally, I think it's a pretty good opinion.

  Ok, I'm just curious what you guys what like to see.... I mean, you think it's planted, you think he's trying to " cash In ", you don't like what they wear.... So just how does a " professional " ( keep in mind it's a team of people ) look, act, and what's wrong with trying to make a living out of what we do That does require one making money some way, some how ?? How does one do that if not through TV Just curious, not looking for a argument, just curious.....

PLL

     There were several little things that this "team" did that just didn't seem right.

1. Rubbing a gold coin with their gloved fingers to get the dirt off of it. No one would do that if they had a clue what they were doing.

2. Digging with a spade like that after they found the top of the jar.

3. The glass from the broken jar looked like it was brand new. I have dug a lot of broken glass and I have never seen any that clean.

     There were several other little things that I just don't think anyone who has been around treasure hunting for any length of time would do. This is just my personal opinion but it seems that there are a few others on here with the same opinions.

HH Charlie

  Ok, I'm just curious what you guys what like to see.... I mean, you think it's planted, you think he's trying to " cash In ", you don't like what they wear.... So just how does a " professional " ( keep in mind it's a team of people ) look, act, and what's wrong with trying to make a living out of what we do That does require one making money some way, some how ?? How does one do that if not through TV Just curious, not looking for a argument, just curious.....

PLL

     There were several little things that this "team" did that just didn't seem right.

1. Rubbing a gold coin with their gloved fingers to get the dirt off of it. No one would do that if they had a clue what they were doing.

2. Digging with a spade like that after they found the top of the jar.

3. The glass from the broken jar looked like it was brand new. I have dug a lot of broken glass and I have never seen any that clean.

     There were several other little things that I just don't think anyone who has been around treasure hunting for any length of time would do. This is just my personal opinion but it seems that there are a few others on here with the same opinions.

HH Charlie

My personal favorite was scraping that gold with a pocket knife!! 

My personal favorite was scraping that gold with a pocket knife!!  

     Yeah that was another one, lol. My personal favorite was the shiny, bright white porcelain lid liner and the fact that there was no dirt packed in the lid. I have dug my share of those too and it's hard enough to get one that's in one piece let alone that nice and clean. It just didn't look like a dug jar lid, at least not like any that I ever dug.

Charlie

Alec,what area of Ks was that 'canyon' in?I would think it would have to be in the SE of Ks.I think they mentioned central ks and the only area I could place that at would be in the Smokey Hill area or north of topeka.

Alec,
  Could you give a little more info on this guy....where's he from....is he working any other sites, etc.  General information.  If you don't feel comfortable doing this, that's fine. Maybe a pm would be better.  
  Thanks for the input that you've already given.

Alec,
  Could you give a little more info on this guy....where's he from....is he working any other sites, etc.  General information.  If you don't feel comfortable doing this, that's fine. Maybe a pm would be better. 
  Thanks for the input that you've already given.

 I'd like to know more about him as well...

PLL

Everyone likes a good story.

As far as I know he is from Kansas. He has lived in Kansas for the last several years and maybe his whole life. Also, as far as I know he's not working any other sites alhough I know he has poked around SE Kansas some a few years back and still may be. The site that they said was central Kansas is central Kansas. This is not near Topeka, it's farther west than that. I'm not going to give out any specific information about where the site is only because of the family who owns the land. I've worked with them before and I'm not going to put them in a position of having unwanted people trying to sneak onto the property.

Pastore used to have a couple of websites, one for some kind of mound exploration he supposedly did and the other was about JJ. As far as I know they have both been shut down for at least a couple of years. At one time he had written a book about "dingus" that he was trying to sell. He couldn't get it published anywhere but was selling it on his website. I'm sure with the TV show he may be trying to push that manuscript again somewhere. He also ran a small "museum" in Wichita, KS at one time focusing on JJ stuff. He used stuff from the James family that was on the show for his display. I think he charged to get into the museum, it didn't last long.

Thanks Alec,
  I wasn't wanting anything concerning the details of his treasure sites, maybe just a State that he is/was looking for treasure in.  Thanks again!!!!!
  

That name "Pastore" kinda rang a bell in my memory.  I stopped subscribing to the treasure hunting magazines back in the early to mid 1980s because they started to recycle treasure stories and even a lot of the "how-tos".  Anyway,  there was a guy and his wife that popped up all of a sudden with all kinds of articles of "finds" and how-to-do it stuff that were also recycled.  You see, I had a hell of a collection of treasure mags and recognized the stories.  Those people's name was Pastore and they were from New Jersey, I think.  I remember thinking "how could they be doing all of their stuff in New Jersey; especially the pictures and info about the Southwestern states." 

Fast forward to the History Channel's program. 

I agree with the points already made about the conditions of the coins, glass, and using a knife on that "dore" bar.  I'm no expert,but wasn't that "dore" bar pretty clean?  I thought those bars were crappy looking because of the trash they carried with the gold. 

The "expert" pointed out the anchor made with back to back "J's" , but he didn't say a word about the big spot (hole) on the left side of the figure that would indicate a possible cache. 

And, the word "cache" is pronounced "cash" NOT  "cash-aaaa".

Did anyone else notice the large, triangle-shaped stone covered in a layer of fresh dirt that they used to lay those rusted jar lid pieces on?  I thought to myself, "Damn, that's a pointer stone that those fools MOVED."   That's a big thing that told me those guys are amateurs.

Do those guys really think JJ dug out that "spotters seat" in that cliff?  Dumb!!!!!

Do those guys REALLY think that JJ and crew would actually dig a 30 foot deep hole ANYWHERE, much less on a hilltop to hide ANYTHING?  Then, they use a backhoe to dig down to within shovel depth and STOP!  Pastore is trying to hook somemore investors for his project.  Also, you can bet he gets a cut of the sales of the DVD's of the program from the History Channel folks.  If I were in a position to investigate that area, those DVDs would allow me to study those carvings before going into the area.  But, since I'm not going there, I won't be buying the disc. 

Sorry ... I don't have an opinion yet.  I just wanted to jump on the wagon and receive notices on this subject and get all of the good "dirt."  But I will say this much ... I'm "digging" what I hear so far. Keep it coming, and take no prisoners. From what I gather, the James gang never did! 

 

  I too noticed the Pastore name which was the same as Jay Pastore who
wrote for W&E Treasure Mag I believe.  Probably a coincidence.  Anyway,
supporters of this Pastore better start defending him.  He's getting trounced
on here.  I hope History Channel isn't in on any shenanegans during filming.

  True TV has been airing some staged reality shows lately and needs to be
called on it.  History Channel will get a black eye if this proves to be a hoax.

  lastleg

If it is posted here, I apologize for missing it and for this repeat.  But if not, it will be of interest to note that ...

The History Channel program will air again ...

This coming Saturday evening - November 14th at (Check your local listings)

Oh boy this is getting good!

This is turning out to be a great story!

The program was pretty good compared to ones I have seen. Like the meteor men. Just was not enough! But the show gives off a very weird vibe. Not sure what is going on with this Pastore guy or the crew he brought along but they do not run the detectors well and I as a user of GPR am not impressed with the grid and scanning techniques. Next you are telling me that no one else has been over that area ten times over with a detector? Alec says that they had already covered that area with detectors previously. When we go out and find ANY signs like the marking on the rocks we really cover that ground. We won't miss it if something was in the ground. I was looking at the grass and weeds in the area. They did not cover it well at all. The only places the grass was trampled down was where the supposed treasure was buried. It does not take long to knock the grass down in an area when scanning it properly. The whole thing is nuts. I thought more highly of the program until I watched it the second time and really paid attention.

I won't automatically blackball The History Channel for this one program.  If this Pastore is a real snakeoil salesman, he could easily have conned a city-boy producer working for the channel.  I've watched UFO programs on the History Channel and they've been pretty evenhanded in their presentation, although a little bit more comments from skeptics, but that's OK.  I've been in the UFO "game" for years and have seen some real stinker programs that claimed to be "fair".  That one with Peter Jennings last year sucked big time because his personal negative bias showed through. 

Anyway, I'll give The History Channel some slack for now.  Their producer on that project is either a con artist or a con victim.   

     I don't think the History channel would knowingly be involved in anything rigged or we would have seen it happen before this. However I can see them getting duped into believeing what they see on tape. I doubt if any of the decision makers there would notice the things that we think are suspect. I'll give them the benifit of the doubt too and I'll lay odds that they have already recieved a few E-mails questioning the "finds" made on the show.

I'll give the History Channel the benefit of the doubt also. I watch it all the time, and find it "entertaining." But let's not forget, they will produce just about anything that will keep their ratings up.

After all, how many of us actually believe in Warewolves - Loc Ness - Big Foot - UFO's? And the list goes on and on.  And yet, the History Channel doesn't seem to have a problem airing that kind of stuff. In fact, it's some of the most watched programming on the air!  So why should we be surprised when they put together a program titled ... "Bigfoot Seen Lurking Around Site Of Buried Jesse James Treasure That Was Spotted From A UFO With A Warewolf For A Pilot And Nessie As The Co-Pilot."?  Subtitled : "As Told By Direct Decendant Of Jesse James Who Claims His Cousin Bubba Is The Illigitiment Love Child Of Elvis Presley And Marilyn Monroe."

I know, you don't have to tell me I've gone too far. I'm just trying to exemplify that "When legend becomes fact, print the legend!"

For example; How many of us remember the movie, "The Left-Handed Gun," starring Paul Newman?  For years people thought Billy The Kid was left handed, when in fact it turned out that the tin-plate negative of him was reversed, and that he was, and always had been right handed!  

I'll give the History Channel the benifit of the doubt too.  I watch it all the time, and find it "entertaining." But let's not forget they will produce just about anything.

After all, how many of us actually believe in Warewolves - Loc Ness - Big Foot - UFO's
and the list goes on and on?  And yet, the History Channel doesn't seem to have a problem airing that kind of stuff. In fact, it's some of the most watched programming on the air!  So why should we be surprised when they put together a program that should have been titled... "Bigfoot Seen Lurking Around Site Of Buried Jesse James Treasure That Was Spotted From A UFO That Had A Warewolf For A Pilot And Nessie As The Co-Pilot." ? 

WOW !!!!!! When does that air LOL

all i got to say that if i was in a group with much fire power i would find it hard to sleep at night wondering who done it with what and where.  not all of the sites on that show were in ks a very close family friend is commpettitors with pastore and they have bummped heads more than once on his uncles property in neosho missouri. which was where according to him was where one of the undisclosed sites were at was at uncle charlies farm in neosho missouri.  i have also heard stories from family elders that a old hermit fella lived in the bluffs of south st joseph was a centinnal .  from his cave on the bluffs he had a clear view of the stockyards  the railyards and a field that has had nothing built on it since before the civil war. about half the size of a football field gonna go there someday and use the old dfx 300 and see what i can hear after i get permission from the railroad .the jars are what gave it away the sandy soil could have kept the silver clean as it was but surry folks i dont belive the story that jesse died in st. joseph mo april 3 1882 there is a book out written by vincel simmons called the jesse james the real story .and the dna was from the star report and due to the over abundant amount of people buried on the james farm the dna test was unconclusive but it may have been his dna ?either it is or it isnt his dna that is like this is my foot but it belongs to some one else . oh boy what am i getting my self into here ? good night all  olepossum

     The thing that was the most compelling to me was Jesse M James, and his " possibility " of being the REAL James... Anyone have any info on this

PLL

    The thing that was the most compelling to me was Jesse M James, and his " possibility " of being the REAL James... Anyone have any info on this ???

PLL

I don't have any specific info to share ... other than to say "I was blown away by the similarity of the photo comparison between young Jesse and the older J. W. James, and that it's pretty compelling evidence that can't help but make you wonder."

Also, Jesse's middle name was "Woodson" ... Thus ... J. W. James ???

Yes I knew that the REAL Jesse's middle name was Woodson, but I agree that the similarities with Jesse M were a bit unnerving...

PLL

Yes I knew that the REAL Jesse's middle name was Woodson, but I agree that the similarities with Jesse M were a bit unnerving...

PLL

                          This is Jesse James ... Age 17 ... Taken in 1864

Yes I knew that the REAL Jesse's middle name was Woodson, but I agree that the similarities with Jesse M were a bit unnerving...

PLL

     That guys name (alias) was Jerry M. James, at least thats what it said on his grave stone. I thought I heard them refer to him as "Jeremiah" once also. When they were interviewing his decendants they all refered to him as "J.M." The family resemblance was pretty eerie too.

Charlie

I wonder what this collection of Jesse James' guns and boots are worth today ??? $$$

         How would you like to be digging around and find something like this ???

                                    Handwriting on bottom reads :

                                              May 4th 1923
                                                    To
                                             H H Crittenden   < thanks to Charlie's keen eyes.

                                   These are authorative pictures
                                        with my compliments
                                            Jesse James Jr.