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Posted Nov 08, 2009, 05:22:46 pm

A good buddy of mine recently dug these buttons,I cant find anything about what they may be?One Texas Navy Button I seen on the web looked similiar but not exact.Any ideas??He also found a Marine button nearby?
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 05:59:28 pm

Anything embossed on the back? Can you  post pics of the back? Breezie

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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 06:00:15 pm

The first anchor button might be British, but the flukes are slightly different (it isn't U.S.). The anchor with star is somewhat similar to what Tice and Albert list as a Texas Navy button, except your friend's doesn't include the motto and the star is smaller.  dontknow icon_scratch

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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 06:45:12 pm

Breezie,I didnt get pics of the back of the Oval Anchor but as Johnny said Ironman also thinks its British.The Star button back mark although I could not read is below
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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 06:51:20 pm

Kugar, it's good to see the backmark. Although it's not listed, some of the Texas buttons of the Confederacy were supplied by Paris manufacturers. I'll have to do some more searching to see if this manufacturer can be identified.

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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 07:01:26 pm

This might help
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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 07:16:45 pm

The backmark appears to be "T. W. & W. / PARIS" — Trelon, Weldon & Weil, c. 1850's.  Some sources cite a wider date range of 1844-1865.
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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 07:28:22 pm

HMMM,thanks,1850 fits the site,1860's......could it be Confederate Navy of some sort? icon_scratch

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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Nov 08, 2009, 09:51:32 pm

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/navy%20buttons.htm

This is the closest match I see but would like to see the back.  

ADDED: Is your first oval anchor button one or two piece?
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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 06:37:27 am

It looks to me to be a Civil War, or pre Civil War, era navy button. Not 100% sure, but my best guess!

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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 09:02:51 am

The backmark appears to be "T. W. & W. / PARIS" — Trelon, Weldon & Weil, c. 1850's.  Some sources cite a wider date range of 1844-1865.

Thats good, but is it Civvy or Military?  My gut is Civvy Fashion, no evidence on this so might be wrong.

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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 09:13:01 am

Heres a link for Paris backmarks if anyone wants to save it, however it is missing this one that PBK Ided or the link is not correct... They list Trelon, Weldon & Weil as  T.W.W.  Its hard to tell by the pic.  
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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 09:31:25 am

KEEP TRYING!I APPRECIATE IT. notworthy

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KEEP TRYING!I APPRECIATE IT. notworthy

http://www.colchestertreasurehunting.co.uk/navy%20buttons.htm

Look at the above British examples, note that its an almost exact match for a 'RN Capt / Commander - 1787', however these are 1 piece & produced many years previous to the 2 piece pictured.  By the mid 19th century the design had changed.  That to me, screams Civvy.  Unless a foriegn Navy was coping our early design dontknow

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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 10:17:53 am

RIGHT,I AM PRETTY SURE THE OVAL ONE IS BRITISH,BUT THE ONE WITH THE STAR ABOVE THE ANCHOR HAS ME BAFFLED.THE TEXAS NAVY BUTTONS ARE VERY SIMILIAR,HOWEVER THEY ALMOST ALL HAVE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS dontknow

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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 10:22:42 am

RIGHT,I AM PRETTY SURE THE OVAL ONE IS BRITISH,BUT THE ONE WITH THE STAR ABOVE THE ANCHOR HAS ME BAFFLED.THE TEXAS NAVY BUTTONS ARE VERY SIMILIAR,HOWEVER THEY ALMOST ALL HAVE REPUBLIC OF TEXAS dontknow

British, but not Navy icon_thumright

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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 02:19:55 pm

Try to post a pic of the British anchor button back because I am getting confused as to which button we are referring to.  Also is this British (1st button) one or two piece?

Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 02:22:47 pm

Try to post a pic of the British anchor button back because I am getting confused as to which button we are referring to.  Also is this British (1st button) one or two piece?

good question, I assumed 2, if a 1 then it is a 18th C British Navy Cool

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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 02:48:26 pm

Thanks Guys,I unfortunatly cant get a pic until next weekend,but I didnt take a pic because it was not cleaned and my friend is weird about cleaning stuff :dontknow:I am most curious about the button with the Anchor and Star Huh icon_thumleft

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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 02:52:38 pm

Thanks Guys,I unfortunatly cant get a pic until next weekend,but I didnt take a pic because it was not cleaned and my friend is weird about cleaning stuff :dontknow:I am most curious about the button with the Anchor and Star Huh icon_thumleft
Are you sure the backmark says T. W. & W. * PARIS *  exactly?  There are variations such as T.W.W. or T.W.& W. H.M.
and its hard to see. (see Paris backmark link)
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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Nov 09, 2009, 02:55:26 pm

Although I dont have it in front of me I am pretty sure thats it.I have several pants slack tightners that have there mark,and there is quite a range in Patent dates from 1856-1870's?

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