Church Sign

I hope you can see this sign.  I found this along with a number of others while doing some research on the lost mine called "The Spanish Queen in New Mexico.

Bell?

A cross stuck on a mound or large boulder.

Typical Hispanic christian cross on pedestal.

I concur Steve,
Cross on a mound.
Need to have more than one sign to have a serious chase.

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A cross stuck on a mound or large boulder.

After a little more thought;  this could mean there's a cross etched into the top of a boulder; somewhere near the mine you're looking for. 

Post a few of your other signs that you say you have found and, maybe a picture or two of surrounding area. I think it will make it easier for those with knowledge to help you as they'll have a little more to go on.  Sometimes a sign on its own says nothing and works in conjunction with something else in the area.

You are correct this symbol is telling you of a church mine in the area.

Minetres

You are correct this symbol is telling you of a church mine in the area.

Minetres

How do you know this carving wasn't merely done by some good catholic - like hundreds, maybe thousands scratched in the rocks all over the southwest that are easy to find on trails, near native American petroglyphs, at springs, old camps, etc?  Are you saying that cross=mine?

Right, according to some folks this sign=mine.  A gold mine was noted in this area according to a local legend that became "lost" during the 1680 revolt.  Seeing the real carving, you could note three small crosses, which were very faint within the building below the cross.

Right, according to some folks this sign=mine.  A gold mine was noted in this area according to a local legend that became "lost" during the 1680 revolt.  Seeing the real carving, you could note three small crosses, which were very faint within the building below the cross.

And the three crosses are even more of a typical Hispanic christian tribute (Jesus with two others at the crusifiction) - you find even more of these than you do the cross/pedestal.  Heck, it's even the symbol of NM's 2nd largest city - Las Cruces.  Nothing too exciting here.

Minetres, you wrote....

You are correct this symbol is telling you of a church mine in the area.
Minetres

Yes you too are correct Minetres, this sign was the mark for
Chruch Mine/Treasure since the very beginning of Spanish Code
Let no one diminish the finding of this sign..The cross looks like
it is on a mound, but it is really a xxxxxx shape, plain and simple.

I do agree with Thom too that by itself it is most likely a single
devote 'paying penitence' by carving this sign...among other
forms of genuflection on stone by the faithful.

However, in proximity to a Mission or Chruch, this sign takes
a whole new meaning.....certainly not to be dismissed out of hand.

Same with the Trinity Crosses they ARE used in Treasure Signs as well
as "stone honorariums' by those with a need to chisel these marks to
leave something behind..
Just trying to help...
Au2u2
rangler

rangler,

Your right there is a mission/Pueblo in the area.  By the way, this is long, long ways from Las Cruces. Exciting, maybe not to some people, but it was, along with some other signs, to us!

best of luck with your chase.

(I somehow knew there were other signs)
LOL

mjido,
Great news! thanks for the confirmation - it always feels good !

Now for next set of signs, I suggest that you take a compass
heading on the sign...see which Cardinal Point you are on.
Then if you will , let me know what that degree is.....

Also step back and take pics of the entire boulder that you
found this sign on..at the correct 11-1pm time frame, depending
on where you are...the sun may be too far below the 300 degree
peak (summer equinox) to show, but still zoom in on that rock and
look at every square inch to find either numbers or letters or both.

Good luck , thanks for posting the pic of a GREAT sign..and let us
know your progress.
happy to help
rangler

Hi Rangler,  It looks like it will be spring or later before I can get back up the the country where these signs are, as soon as the first snow falls the Forest Service closes most of the roads into the back country, but be asured, I sure will try to get back up there in the spring.



Jim

In the last picture ...
Is this sign associated with the first sign?

It would be pretty cool if it is.
This sign says ...
"One more sign that marks the entrance"
or
"One more sign before the goal"

Have the signs been getting smaller?
Note the cross inside the small circle ...
The last sign should be this size.

 in pic from post #15, with the yellow marker,looks like someone survyed for some reason,
at least it looks like a cap set

my uncle past away, a few  weeks ago, and he had the plat survey map, i went looking for the markers,
that are stated on the plat as, 5/8"REBAR WITH CAP SET. and the fourth one i found was drove into a
large boulder on the mountian side,and it looks like the one in the link,
 but then there are prob dif types, of those cap sets

http://www.stakemill.com/index.php?main_page=popup_image&pID=3975
http://www.stakemill.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=76_668

Right, I believe this have been surveyed before, but have been unable to find out anything about it.  Now, this sign isn't very far off the side of a dirt road.  By placing a small stick into one of the drilled holes it kind of pointed in the direction of the other signs, which, by the way was a few miles away.

mj, I really like the top photo in post 15 above.  I believe many carved clues are topographic in nature and therefore your rock may have real promise.  If it were me, I'd be looking at the ridge tops in the vicinity of your clues for a notch in the tree line.  I don't know about the rest of the alterations on the rock, or your other clues or the part of NM you found them in either, but the notch reminds me a lot of the one in the photo below - quite a landmark if one is looking for it.

in pic from post #15, with the yellow marker,looks like someone survyed for some reason,
at least it looks like a cap set .....

It'd be nice to know that that thing is and what, if anything, is marked on it.  It would be highly unusual for a land surveyor to set a point horizontally into a rock face as shown in the picture.  If the surveyed point's location fell onto the rock face, or in a pond, or in any other difficult or inaccessible location, the surveyor would set a 'witness corner'.  This is a normal looking point (such as a rebar and cap) whose location is offset from the true location and described on the Legal Description as 'witness corner (WC), 10 feet east' or somesuch.  The carving above is much more interesting.

in pic from post #15, with the yellow marker,looks like someone survyed for some reason,
at least it looks like a cap set .....

It'd be nice to know that that thing is and what, if anything, is marked on it.  It would be highly unusual for a land surveyor to set a point horizontally into a rock face as shown in the picture.  If the surveyed point's location fell onto the rock face, or in a pond, or in any other difficult or inaccessible location, the surveyor would set a 'witness corner'.  This is a normal looking point (such as a rebar and cap) whose location is offset from the true location and described on the Legal Description as 'witness corner (WC), 10 feet east' or somesuch.  The carving above is much more interesting.

mine says
P.O.B.
5/8' REBAR CAP (SET) ON
STEEP ROAD BANK
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maybe his is too he said
 Now, this sign isn't very far off the side of a dirt road

 mjido have been playing with the rock with the notch
i turned it, and you can see some things, but what
i dont understand is why would, someone carve the stuff
this way, it has to have some kind of lets say super meaning
for lack of a better word description

I have a survey background and I will have to agree with Springfield on this one.  It is highly unlikely for a cap to be set horizontal instead of vertical.  Spikes and nails are often put into trees and rocks to mark a point with the elevation of the spike or nail being a bench mark.  "The "P.O.B." stands for "Point of Beginning".

okey dokey

read in one book that the+ sign has a value of 2, a cross-hair sign inside a small circle equals 4, maybe look to the left since there is a small hole on left side of cross. 4 varas etc.  just guess,  brent

what is on the other side of scan0004?,it kind of looks like the 1st two holes are two men staring at each other, the third hole looks like irish wolf hound. left to right. thanks brent