Woohoo, a plate!!

Managed to dig this little plate out of the dirt yesterday but at first, has hard to make out what it was. After a bit of cleaning and polish, this is what shined through...

British War of 1812 era drummer back shako plate!!! Was worn on the back of the drummer boys cap so the men behind him could tell who he was. It measures about 1 1/4" x 1 3/4" in size. Little less then a foot away, was a musketball and a bit of pottery. Can't wait to go back when a little more time and search a bit bigger area and see if anything else is hiding there!!

That is really nice!

dude that ROCKS!


best example of one of those I've ever seen, well done and congrats!

Banner in my book    Congratulations!

Awesome find! This is the first one I've ever seen or heard of. Have no idea on value or rarity, but I think this one qualifies for a BANNER VOTE by me!   Congratulations!   Thee Hogge

Thanks all and was surprise digging it as kinda out of the way places. As for rarity or value, I am not sure on both counts but would believe since very few drummers, can't be to many out there. Value to know would be nice but just another piece for my collection 

IH - Thanks dude and I haven't seen one before till now while looking on the net to see 100% on what it was. Still haven't found a exact picture of one there but still looking!!

Nice cap badge

I dug out my WWI version, as you can tell your 100 year earlier example came out much better

Excellent find!

HH
-GC

Really great, Congrats.....

Very cool. I don't think I've ever seen one before.

Awesome find HR...you got my banner vote!  A rare piece of history!

Nice find. I never saw one of those before.....Matt

wow, I've never seen one of those! congrats

Now that is a sweet relic, and certainly one that I have never seen before. You must have been jumping out of your seat after you realized what you had. What does the back look like?, i'm curious how it was worn on the back of the cap.

James.
HomesteadHunter.

Thanks and woohoo for the banner!! lol  I will try in a bit to get a photo posted of the back

That rocks HR...great piece of history there...my vote is in...

A musketball 1' away. Perhaps he was shot in the back? CSI..

Congrat's on the find HR! Was this a pinpointer hit, or just swinging? You got my vote!!

"click"  I just voted banner.  I don't know...it's too rare it might not make it.   

Great find

make it, no worries then, me to new here lol. This was a detecting find and not a point was needed to break the dust off the machine lol

"click"  I just voted banner.  I don't know...it's too rare it might not make it.   

Great find

Boy you took the words right out of my mouth no Lie!
But I'm going to give it a shot. Banner!

Yes Sir , Its rare as Hens Teeth and a Great Find 

A great piece of military history, for sure. Congrats!!

A pic of another Shako Drummer's Badge is found here:
http://www.militaryheritage.com/m_access.htm 

MIS-040 Shako Drummer's Badge Since the introduction of the cloth mitre cap, drummers had worn a metal drum on the rear of their caps.  By the Napoleonic Wars, shakos began to be worn by drummers on campaign, leaving their bearskin caps for the parade square.   To make them distinct from the rest of the men's shakos, drummers wore a brass drum on the rear.  This continued throughout the first half of the 19th century.   Click here for an image of a fifer in 1828 wearing the brass drum at the rear of his shako.   A great tradition to revive for your fife and drum corps!   15.95US  (17.00CAN) each.

Super Buddy,and CONCRATS ON THE BANNER   

A great piece of military history, for sure. Congrats!!

A pic of another Shako Drummer's Badge is found here:
http://www.militaryheritage.com/m_access.htm 

MIS-040 Shako Drummer's Badge Since the introduction of the cloth mitre cap, drummers had worn a metal drum on the rear of their caps.  By the Napoleonic Wars, shakos began to be worn by drummers on campaign, leaving their bearskin caps for the parade square.   To make them distinct from the rest of the men's shakos, drummers wore a brass drum on the rear.  This continued throughout the first half of the 19th century.   Click here for an image of a fifer in 1828 wearing the brass drum at the rear of his shako.   A great tradition to revive for your fife and drum corps!   15.95US  (17.00CAN) each.

Good link, heres the follow on one showing how its worn

http://www.militaryheritage.com/images/fifer.jpg

Wow, what a super find. Congratulations on both the find & the banner!

Fantastic, WTG ,banner all the way.

 Nice!  Seems like you had a good start to the year and will close it strong!     I envy your sites...  especially that mine just don't see to want to give up the military this year.

Congrats on the banner, great find...     I never seen or even heard of one of those,  very cool. 

Keep @ It and HH!!   

A great piece of military history, for sure. Congrats!!

A pic of another Shako Drummer's Badge is found here:
http://www.militaryheritage.com/m_access.htm 

MIS-040 Shako Drummer's Badge Since the introduction of the cloth mitre cap, drummers had worn a metal drum on the rear of their caps.  By the Napoleonic Wars, shakos began to be worn by drummers on campaign, leaving their bearskin caps for the parade square.   To make them distinct from the rest of the men's shakos, drummers wore a brass drum on the rear.  This continued throughout the first half of the 19th century.   Click here for an image of a fifer in 1828 wearing the brass drum at the rear of his shako.   A great tradition to revive for your fife and drum corps!   15.95US  (17.00CAN) each.

I assume the price above is for a repro of this plate/badge?

Creeper:
I'd assume the same since the ad speaks of the price 'each', as if there is an inventory of this product available.
Don.......

Oh my... what a find!    Congrats!   

Very nice plate i have not even found one yet good job.... Randall

very cool. thats a piece of history for sure

A good start and this, your right IP, just hope still something left out there for the year yet.

That link I seen and is a repo site and prices. I would hope this one a bit more if sold, but ya never know....

Thanks for all the banner votes everyone....woohoo my first banner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's a picture of the back of the plate and a small coin I found there also. It's a 1907 Belgum 1 cent and kinda cool looking.

Nice!  Seems like you had a good start to the year and will close it strong!     I envy your sites...  especially that mine just don't see to want to give up the military this year.

Ya, your horrible sites only seem to give up crappy old 1600s silver........who would ever want that.

James.
HomesteadHunter.

Congratulations on the Banner. Thought it had a real good chance. Now we all want to see value on this piece. (well.... me anyways)      THEE HOGGEMAN   

Congrats on the Banner Hidden R !!!!    Never saw one of these   Really interesting  

 

congratulations on the banner! Nice job on the plate!

WTG H.R. That is one sweet find. And it great shape to boot!!

Perfect timing. That is such a nice item. Imagine the child so proud to wear it walking into battle beating out a rythm as they advanced forward. Nice history there!
TnMtns

  - :YaHoo-Just a wonderful find !! I'm happy 4 U

Congratulations on the Banner. Thought it had a real good chance. Now we all want to see value on this piece. (well.... me anyways)      THEE HOGGEMAN   

always wonder for these items as to their value, but that all depends on what one is willing to fork out. Is a hard to value alone unless others have sold and can see their value. I wish there was an easy way to tell, but that would be asking to much  lol. For now, it gets documented and added to the collection and find a spot to place it.

I dug out my WWI version, as you can tell your 100 year earlier example came out much better

Maybe mine came out better, but took a lot of cleaning. Yours looks really cool also and wondering what the back looks like for attachment.

Great find!

I dug out my WWI version, as you can tell your 100 year earlier example came out much better

Maybe mine came out better, but took a lot of cleaning. Yours looks really cool also and wondering what the back looks like for attachment.

Like a normal cap badge with the 2 loops which the split pin went through after the loops were pressed through 2 ready made holes (ie the spilt pin went on the inside of the cap).  But these went on a cloth beret & those early drummer boy hats look more solid, but I guess could have a similar arrangement.

I can see on the reverse of yours two possible solder marks where the attachments broke off (what they looked like is guess work to me, as I have not seen an early one like yours)

I dug out my WWI version, as you can tell your 100 year earlier example came out much better

Maybe mine came out better, but took a lot of cleaning. Yours looks really cool also and wondering what the back looks like for attachment.

Like a normal cap badge with the 2 loops which the split pin went through after the loops were pressed through 2 ready made holes (ie the spilt pin went on the inside of the cap).  But these went on a cloth beret & those early drummer boy hats look more solid, but I guess could have a similar arrangement.

I can see on the reverse of yours two possible solder marks where the attachments broke off (what they looked like is guess work to me, as I have not seen an early one like yours)

 I have a few smaller ones, ww1/11 with those same style loops & pin. As you seen, this one has like two solder spots on it but long since gone. I have also a cartridge badge in two pieces though, but with solder marks close to this one. Always neat to see the different ways of fastening badges and plates on. The one for my avatar here, just used 4 small holes to hold into place.

I dug out my WWI version, as you can tell your 100 year earlier example came out much better

Maybe mine came out better, but took a lot of cleaning. Yours looks really cool also and wondering what the back looks like for attachment.

Like a normal cap badge with the 2 loops which the split pin went through after the loops were pressed through 2 ready made holes (ie the spilt pin went on the inside of the cap).  But these went on a cloth beret & those early drummer boy hats look more solid, but I guess could have a similar arrangement.

I can see on the reverse of yours two possible solder marks where the attachments broke off (what they looked like is guess work to me, as I have not seen an early one like yours)

 I have a few smaller ones, ww1/11 with those same style loops & pin. As you seen, this one has like two solder spots on it but long since gone. I have also a cartridge badge in two pieces though, but with solder marks close to this one. Always neat to see the different ways of fastening badges and plates on. The one for my avatar here, just used 4 small holes to hold into place.

Yeah, sewn on

Really Cool!

That's an amazing plate! I wish I could find War of 1812 stuff like that. We didn't have any wars over here except maybe over pemmican or furs.
Nice find!
Dave.

Holy crap buddy! Great find!!! Glad it made the banner! Congrats!

Banner for sure! Well since this is a drum i got the idea to make a drum video! Play that funky music!.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/V9yk5CWyV_U" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/V9yk5CWyV_U</a>

Thanks all!! Still can't believe it and being all in one piece after so long in the ground 

very very nice . great pic.

Great rescue!! Awesome piece of history!!