Still a Worthy Quest?

Hello Everyone.  I have been reading the posts on this board for some time now, but I usually only read up on coin roll hunting.  Only recently have I come across the Treasure Legends section.  I read every post with a giddy, enthusiastic joy, as finding something along the lines of a lost treasure would be the most amazing thing that could ever happen to someone.  But it seems that with every post of some wondrous treasure, there is another telling the tale of someone finding that huge treasure, or debunking a treasure tale.

Basically my question is this, is it possible for someone in this day and age, given that they are quite good at researching and problem-solving, to actually find any of this said treasure.  Is there still anything out there that is worth the effort.  Or has all of it been claimed, either by the government by purchasing the land, or by big treasure hunting corporations.

Is the golden age of treasure hunting dead?

James

Hello Everyone.  I have been reading the posts on this board for some time now, but I usually only read up on coin roll hunting.  Only recently have I come across the Treasure Legends section.  I read every post with a giddy, enthusiastic joy, as finding something along the lines of a lost treasure would be the most amazing thing that could ever happen to someone.  But it seems that with every post of some wondrous treasure, there is another telling the tale of someone finding that huge treasure, or debunking a treasure tale.

Basically my question is this, is it possible for someone in this day and age, given that they are quite good at researching and problem-solving, to actually find any of this said treasure.  Is there still anything out there that is worth the effort.  Or has all of it been claimed, either by the government by purchasing the land, or by big treasure hunting corporations.

Is the golden age of treasure hunting dead?

James

Treasure hunting is not dead, ever hear of Joseph Curry and Tayopa?
There are still thousands of treasures waiting to be found, you could be the next finder.

I would add a few too - ever heard of the great treasure ship the Atocha and a fellow named Mel Fisher?  (Other found sunken treasures include the Maravilla, the Concepcion, the SS California, even a real Pirate ship the Wydah among many) There have been some fantastic finds in recent years so really with the advances in today's technology, great detectors, ground-penetrating radar, mapping, satellite photos GPS handheld devices etc NOW is the "Golden Age" of Treasure Hunting!  People will be reading about our time in a hundred years and dreaming of having had the chance to live in our time!  Don't be discouraged by some treasures being found either - there are SO many great lost treasures that are still out there just waiting for someone to find and recover them that you would never believe it.  (It is more than the combined wealth of the world today, by one estimate, counting from ancient times to today and adding up all the vast treasures that have been lost and sunken.)

Good luck and good hunting, I hope you find the treasures that you seek. 
Oroblanco

HIO Indiana Jones: There are many many treasures out there of all sizes and values,.simply do your research.  Most successful recoveries are NOT by  large groups with deep pockets, but by small groups or individuals.

 In the case of Tayopa, it was essentially by myself, a one man operation  with extremely limited resources.  However the pay off is still in the future, since I still need more government permits to finalize it.

Strange as it seems, the financial returns are simply frosting, the cake was in solving the puzzle.

Go have the adventure of your life with the  best of luck.

Don Jose de La Mancha

hey gang,
 Ok I'll " chime " in as well, there are a TON of treasure's out there, and they ARE waiting to be found by the one who takes his or her time and " truly " dedicated to finding it. Most of these treasure's have not been found for a looong time, and for good reason. Remember " some " people will debunk a story because they don't want competition, while others are willing to help at any time. Most of the seekers here are in it for the long haul, meaning that they have been doing the research for years, they have looked under every rock, crept down every mountainside to look for any clue they could find. They has spent 100's of hours pouring over every book, magazine article, and newspaper clip looking for that missing detail. They have logged a ton of time trying to locate anyone involved with the original story and for anyone living to tell the " real " story. Also ( and this is for me ) some of find " treasure " in many ways, the journey in finding a treasure to alot of us, is just as rewarding as finding a solid cache. I personally LOVE the stories themselves, and to ME that has always been my treasure. Don't get me wrong if I was to find Pegleg's Gold or the Lost Ship of the Desert I would absolutely THRILLED !!!!!!! and a little heartbroken..... cause..... what would be the next adventure... and WOW... where would it lead ?? My advise is to find a story and dig DEEP then let your heart and head guide you and just enjoy the ride.......

PLL

HIO Pegleg: Shucks, I am already on the trail of the next  treasure, again lost Jesui mines. After that there are many more lined up.  It is life and fun, as long as I make enough to keep the wolf away, and can continue.

Love this life, and thoroughly appreciate your "heart broken"  remark, all too true unless another is lined up..


Don Jose de La Mancha

Here is a link that should give you a good perspective on modern day treasure hunting...
http://www.tesoro-del-alma.com/index.html

Check it out I think you'll find it of interest.

The Hangman

My name is Nick V Fleming and I am the one that owns Tesoro Del Alma.  I have just joined because of all the people that are visiting my website: http://www.tesoro-del-alma.com I have been in the treasure hunting business for almost 30 years and have been very lucky in locating several treasures located in the Caballo Mountains, the Oregon Mountains locate at Las Cruces, New Mexico and in the El Paso area.  There are treasures out there but you have to have proper equipment to find it and then the legal expertise to get it out.  The U. S. Government is very adept at locating and getting the treasure out of the ground.  As most people know I have a running battle the Government to get to the point where we will be able to finally get what I have worked for all of these years.

Nick

[WELCOME to Treasurenet Nick!!!]

WELCOME to Treasurenet Nick!!!
Oroblanco

Nick, welcome to the forum. I visited your website and read the story, it ends in 2006. What's the news since then or did I miss something?

Good luck in your legal proceedings, truly is a shame when we are forced to spend all of our exploraion funds on lawyers to fight both scum suckers and the government (yeah I know, redundant!!).

hey gang,
 I'm with goldust, I went to the site as well and am anxious for a follow up... is there something ?? or is it best not to say... for now that is ....

Thankx
PLL

I want to thank everyone for going to the website.  If you click on the news that is where we do our posting.  Unless you have a specific question that needs to be addressed then you can ask me through here or at nfleming@tesoro-del-alma.com

Nick

We have just posted a new blog on http://www.tesoro-del-alma.com  click on the news.

Thank you

Nick

Indiana James:

First of all, please keep in mind that 95% of the treasure recoveries here in the US (or, around the world, for that matter) don't make it to the newspapers or magazines.  A treasure finder can very quickly become a treasure loser when the word gets out about a recovery.

Think about the recent bank problems - which sound a whole lot like the 1930's.  Recently there was a newspaper/Internet story about a woman who hid $10,000 in a box of breakfast food - and then returned that box to the store!  My point is that every day people are giving up on banks - especially people who either went through this once before in their lives or heard about  it from parents and grandparents who did.

So, what are those folks doing with their money?  Hiding it - inside and outside their homes.  And rest assured the biggest single problem with hiding your money is finding it yourself. And what about when those folks die and their heirs know they had funds but can not locate them?

Now think about all those drug dealers who have hidden away hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars.  I do not recommend going to look for those caches any time soon.  You wouldn't want to be visited by the person who planted that money and came back to find it gone!  My point is that years from now th'ers will be finding that money - there is a lot of it out there.

Then there are crooked business and professional people - read much about those highbinders lately?  How many of them didn't trust banks (for obvious reasons - SAR's and CTR's being two very good ones)?

Overall, what Karl von Mueller wrote decades ago is undoubtly still true - each year more treasure is hidden than is recovered.  That leaves out, by the way, artifacts, relics, and other valuable items that can be sold for cash.  That is certainly "treasure" as well.

Years ago I told a book customer in Colorado there were probably more professional treasure hunters in his state than there were in Florida.  He had a hard time believing it but if you understand that statement you are on your way from no longer being a treasure hunter - you stand a chance of becoming a treasure finder.

Good luck to all,

~The Old Bookaroo

Wow!  Just read your website Nick.  I hope it all turns out for the best.  Its sad to see just how pathetic humans can be towards each other when money is involved.  Personally,  when I find my treasure I won;t be telling anyone and I will be packing it out one bar at a time if I need to and smile all the while as I do so. 

Good luck and I will keep up on your story. 

For those of you that may be interested we have got our Tesoro Del Alma Decals and they are free if you would like one just email us with you name and address.  We will get it out to you.

Thank you

Nick

Nick, go to your profile and add your web site in there.

Thank you.

Nick

We are going to be at the Treasure Expo & Trade Show in Myrtle Beach, SC on April 4th and 5th.  We have a Tesoro Del Alma Booth and the jumber is 71

Nick

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Overall, what Karl von Mueller wrote decades ago is undoubtly still true - each year more treasure is hidden than is recovered.  That leaves out, by the way, artifacts, relics, and other valuable items that can be sold for cash.  That is certainly "treasure" as well.

~The Old Bookaroo

Some great stuff!  Get both Treasure Hunter's Manuals 6 & 7 and read each one a minimum of three times.  Avoid wasting your limited time on posts about "treasure legends."  Karl stated emphatically that except in the rarest of all cases, the VERY idea of a lost mine is preposterous, and that many treasure legends are provably false.  Orient your thoughts to human nature, human behavior, and sources of real treasure leads, such as history books and the newspapers.

I followed up on a treasure lead from one of Michael Paul Henson's tapes, sorted by state, in Maryland.  I chose to follow up because unlike most of his leads, it provided a specific date.  It took a lot of research but I was able to verify the story and obtain an additional lead.  I was able to get the precise details of the story which involved a large quantity of gold coins and currency strewn over a railroad track and fallen into a creek.  The creek is probably the best bet, a dredge project.  I searched the area around the tracks with no success, but I had been able to confirm the truth of the story, and the reasonable chance that it was worth pursuing.

I used to read a lot of old nespapers, the further back the better.  Among the sort of leads I got were occassional mentions of coins being recovered on farms, road projects, etc.  I got one mention of a cave where robbers were known to hang out near Philly, on a guy's farm.  I had so many leads and sites to hunt back in the day that I never followed up on that one; that's one I regret.  It wouldn't have been trivial: if you've had any experience looking at old maps you'll discover that if a single Jones lived in an area there'd be no less than 10 of em, all his sons, relatives etc.  I found literally countless mentions of "held a Pik-Nik in the the woods of Mr. Smith," camped near such and such, etc.

I would also keep a list of all stories in which a person met a sudden end.  It may sound trivial, but for a treasure to have both been buried and LEFT, certain circumstances need to occur, such as sudden death or senility.

If you can find it, get some of the old Uncommon Sense newsletters, by E. Earl Webb.  That stuff was amazing.  It had numerous stories of actual recovered items.  It was things like old guys stuffing 10s of 1000s of bucks inside their wheelchairs, the sort of stuffing spots people used, checking book collections for hidden currency, spots to stash gold coins, etc. 

Lastly, you need to relentlessly get out and swing the coil.  I know second hand of almost countless small caches found in the Philly area, and a good detecting buddy found not 1, not 2, but 3 woo-baby caches of gold jewelry, all most likely robbery related, in about 6 months time. It's luck, but it's also a question of the more you practice the luckier you get.