A Thought And Challenge

I see many many posts on here and it seems most people on this forum act as if they have found cache after cache.  The thing is that there are never any pix posted of these finds.  I see in some posts people saying that they have found several caches over the years, but wonder where the proof is.  It seems this is the only forum I find in T-Net that post after post is made without any finds.  So my challenge is to prove that people on here actually find caches.

?  IRS  ?

not IRS..... I am just saying that is the only forum you see that never has pix of actual finds... people go day after day telling others how to do things or asking how to do things and never post success.. a curious thing!

If I found a cache the last thing I would do it brag about it.  I am sure anyone can figure out some of the reasons.  Yes, it all relates to being screwed by the govt at multiple levels and agencies.

so you find a mason jar of morgan dollars.. lets say even 50.... government is gunna track you down via T-Net and hassle you?  BUt they dont hassle the guys who find the 10,000$ coins and post all kinds of pix?  Makes no sense.. seems like a smokescreen of excuses to avoid admitting that you have never actually found a jar of coins

Okay, I found 150 coins buried in my side yard.  Unfortunately for me, 148 of them were pennies.  The other two were Australian five cent pieces.  They are visibly similar to a US penny and were probably circulating as such.  I do not have any pictures as I didn't think to take any.  Just imagine a grass lawn converted to a lunar landscape.  I dug every whisper of the detector hoping to find a similar cache of silver coins, but no go.

Chip V.

     Just 'cause they don't get posted on this board doesn't mean they're not on Tnet...


http://forum.treasurenet.com/index.php/topic,153963.0.html

if I found 150 ins in my side yard in a jar.. first thing I would be doing is taking all kinds of pix..... I cant buy that you wouldnt think to take pix of a monumental once in a lifetime find.... as for IRS hounding.. just watched the Jesse James thing on tv.... those guys must be ok with government oppression

if I found 150 ins in my side yard in a jar.. first thing I would be doing is taking all kinds of pix..... I cant buy that you wouldnt think to take pix of a monumental once in a lifetime find.... as for IRS hounding.. just watched the Jesse James thing on tv.... those guys must be ok with government oppression

     That Jesse James "show" was a fund raiser.

if some lib do-gooder decided what you have was in the ground for x amount of years and is of historical significance, yes you can run into lots of trouble.  And that from the govt that loves and cares for you.  One can easily google many examples of this.  Like I said, if I found a cache (doesnt have to be money), I wouldnt say a thing.  And no, it doesnt have to be a cache,  just one item is all it takes.  I do think that as a whole, MDers should use a little more discretion when posting finds.

Example:  Folks that find items related to indian culture or heritage or civil war related stuff are taking a big chance posting photos and other info.  If you want to then more power to you.  But to me, its not worth the risk.  

OK, I admit that I am a complete failure.  Why heck, I can't even spell Caksay.

I have found a few caches. Unfortunately, I always wake up before I've had a chance to spend it.

I thought that only happened to me. 

The real old timers that made a living treasure hunting would tell you keep your mouth shut.
The IRS can only tax  when you sell if you find 100 SILVER AND GOLD COINS THE FIRST YEAR you sell $5000 worth. that is all that is taxable for that year if you never sell IRS can't due squat.

ok?

I see many many posts on here and it seems most people on this forum act as if they have found cache after cache.  The thing is that there are never any pix posted of these finds.  I see in some posts people saying that they have found several caches over the years, but wonder where the proof is.  It seems this is the only forum I find in T-Net that post after post is made without any finds.  So my challenge is to prove that people on here actually find caches.

"Before there were banks people buried their money! There really are buried caches and hoards waiting to be found! Use this forum to discussed lost/buried land treasures."

The above is written under "Cache Hunting" on the forums page. I don't see the word "proof" in there. If admin don't require proof, then why should you worry about it? But, if you want to require proof of everything, post your social security number on the forum. If you don't, you must be lying to everyone here that you are an American citizen.

I didnt ask for sarcasm and the like.... it is just that most people in this forum act like experts.. telling how to find caches... how can you instruct others if you havent found any yourself?  Throw personal insults at me if you like, but the point still remains... this is the only forum that does not have pictures posted to document finds.... yes there are some caches in other forums, but none here.... I am all for finding such post hole banks, buried mason jars etc, but it appears that the posts here are pipe dreams and what ifs... with no payday... as for the government, you really think they patrol this forum every day looking for people to track down and tax?  They havent done it to the guys finding 10,000$ relices and coins, so why would they do it just to you?  No one has yet to answer my challenge... save 1 scanned coin pic that could be from anyplace

No one has yet to answer my challenge... save 1 scanned coin pic that could be from anyplace

Can't you see you're partly the reason for the thing you're complaining about?
You ask for pics and as soon as someone shows one, you try to discredit it. We've been through this before, and we all know how it goes. People like you are not gonna believe. Bottom line.

There is one thing you can prove to yourself. If you think "they" don't patrol this site, put a large cache on here and see.

guess it isnt paranoia when they really are out to get you LOL

Hard to believe a cache story when all you see is one isolated coin.... thats why I questioned... and again hard to belive IRS.. the guy who found the 100,000$ coin yr before last posted and re posted it and never once said ne thing bout IRS or big brother

Well Boys, what do you think?  Should I oblige Minton or not?

guess it isnt paranoia when they really are out to get you LOL

Hard to believe a cache story when all you see is one isolated coin.... thats why I questioned... and again hard to belive IRS.. the guy who found the 100,000$ coin yr before last posted and re posted it and never once said ne thing bout IRS or big brother

I didn't say anyone was out to get me. But they wouldn't hesitate to get me, or you, if we didn't use our head. If you really believe what you're saying, take my challenge and post a large cache on here. Go ahead.

One isolated coin? I see a pile of treasure.

Well Boys, what do you think?  Should I oblige Minton or not?

Of course not. Why is he so interested in others finds? Perhaps he is just someone who likes to antagonize people. Can't carry on a decent conversation with others - always has to be aggresive (challenging?) towards others. Or maybe he IS IRS or some other government stooge. Who knows without proof? Ignore him and carry on.

ThTx, Sir you may very well be right.      Advise taken.

I didnt ask for sarcasm and the like.... it is just that most people in this forum act like experts.. telling how to find caches... how can you instruct others if you havent found any yourself?  Throw personal insults at me if you like, but the point still remains... this is the only forum that does not have pictures posted to document finds.... yes there are some caches in other forums, but none here.... I am all for finding such post hole banks, buried mason jars etc, but it appears that the posts here are pipe dreams and what ifs... with no payday... as for the government, you really think they patrol this forum every day looking for people to track down and tax?  They havent done it to the guys finding 10,000$ relices and coins, so why would they do it just to you?  No one has yet to answer my challenge... save 1 scanned coin pic that could be from anyplace

Are you only seeing 1 pic from Real de Tayopa? I see 2 and the first shows a youngster looking at a pile of coins. These photos have been posted here before and do show a found cache (or whatever other term one would use to describe it).

As for the statement "how can you instruct others if you havent found any yourself?". There are countless subjects that one may have real and correct knowledge of without having ever actually implemented or proved that knowledge. To use the subject of cache hunting. If someone were to approach you and ask where to look for a cache would you tell them to just start digging holes or would you make suggestions based on their site as to the best places to search?

I wish I had pictures of a found cache to placate you but I have never found one. However, if I were to look for a cache at a site I would probably start by looking around big trees, rocks or other interesting natural formations. 

They exist - just gotta look in the right places.........

Diggem'

They exist - just gotta look in the right places.........

Diggem'

Amazing Post!
Thanks for sharing

http://www.goldcoinsgain.com

thank you for posting the currency pic.... it is amazing!  Dad always said put up or shut up.... so I thank you for putting up.. having saw this.. i will now shut up

I'm certain that many folks would not want to post because they worry about their right to keep their finds being challenged.   In my case, it doesn't matter - I didn't keep them !  They were turned over to the estate of the person that stashed them.  There were also numerous old coins - mostly silver, but there was one $20.00 gold coin as well.  Everything was found in a variety of places, evidently stashes were made, then forgotten about.

Diggem

Good morning Ladies & Gentlemen:  I have posted that picture  various times simply because the statue of limitations has run out,  and also it is in Mexico. My mule taught me some common sense, "I ain no stinking idjit".

Incidentally, that skinny gal was destined to be my wife after I had fattened her up.

One gets that way from not having enough to eat while growing up, the  same thing that is beginning to show up in the US..

Good morning Ladies & Gentlemen:  I have posted that picture  various times simply because the statue of limitations has run out,  and also it is in Mexico. My mule taught me some common sense, "I ain no stinking idjit".

Incidentally, that skinny gal was destined to be my wife after I had fattened her up.

One gets that way from not having enough to eat while growing up, the  same thing that is beginning to show up in the US..

She's a beauty Tappioca. Good to see your still here.

hey Real De; thanks for the picture. now thats Reale beauty..happy marriage for the rest of your life. tenclaw

Gentlemen we thank you. Of course I am a bit opinionated he he he 

Don Jose de La Mancha

thank you for posting the currency pic.... it is amazing!  Dad always said put up or shut up.... so I thank you for putting up.. having saw this.. i will now shut up

I, at least, am glad to hear it.

And Don Jose, how could you so badly mislead such a lovely lady?   Blessings to you both! 

Aw come on Gray Cloud oblige him (Milton)...been waiting to see one of yours!

heed the wise words of that old cache master Confucious. Keep your bowels open and your mouth shut....

I agree with #13. Keep you mouth shut, or you may lose everything.  The best way to sell old coins is by coins auctions.  I have found nothing but trash.

wha about the guy that found the clay pot full of silver dimes last year he posted pics and the other guy that found the bags and pipes full of coins and 2 or 3 other tneters know him and his wife and have seen the cache he found no pics due to the very very large amount found  hhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmsome folks belive that hard physical proof is bragging and some old school fellas on here grew up llooking at thta as bragging and bragging is not being very well mannered

I have a post on t-net right now of a silver cache I found in April of this year. If I ever find another ( and I will ! )  .  I would not even tell my  wife! People act weird about it. The value of mine was not that great since It did not have any extremely rare coins, Almost all silver Bullion. My one detecting buddy does not come around any more, Let alone hunt with me ! I had someone else start following me around and looking for my truck!! I don't know what it is! because Like it was said in an earlier post I have seen single gold and silver coins posted on t-net that were worth more than my 5 and 3/4 lb cache People just act weird about it!! I come on this site and learn what I can from others !! There is always another angle I can glean from someone else That I might not have thought of on my own. !!  Take what you can from this site and leave the rest. I enjoy the advice and encouragement I get from the so called experts on this site. I think I would be less likely to believe they were experts if they were frequently posting cache finds! I know I never will again!  MaineRelic.

#37

You have to tell your wife everything and give her 50% of evrything you find.  Merry Christmas.

Ok computer experts......How about getting another forum name, and posting our finds under it, use the name Anonymous or something...or can someone (IRS) investigate good enough to track your IP/NIC address and locate you?

If they can then we don't do it!

Merry Christmas to all.

Bragging about cache finds can get you poor real quick.  First are a whole bunch of people who
step forward and claim their share; they either told you about it, they knew about it first, on their
land, they had a claim on it, it belonged to their ancestor, etc.  Then if it is over 50 years old
(1959 or earlier) then there are multiple government agencies, historical agencies etc. that
want to take your antiquities away from you and even fine you for digging them up and lastly
the IRS will want their share even if you lose it in court.
Whatever you are left with is fair game for all your poor relatives and friends.  You will get
multiple requests to lend or give a few dollars to all of them and the ex-wives who will take
you to court for more alimony.  Just look at Lotto winners who are broke in no time at all.
There is an old Italian saying, "MONEY IS ROUND AND IT ROLLS AWAY"!
So, don't expect any large caches to be pictured here.  Small ones maybe and they are just
as hard to find as the larger ones.
Have fun,
Rich

Many pro treasure hunters agree with the last writer. Be wise, and keep your mouth shut.  But, pay your state and federal income taxes.

Better safe than sorry..

About that 50 year old quandry.

If someone buried a cache less than 50 years ago, but it contained coins over 50 years old...

Coins over 50 years old and cache less than 50 years old.
That's easy, don't tell anyone!

Make sense to me.  Happy New Year.

Coins over 50 years old and cache less than 50 years old.
That's easy, don't tell anyone!

Let's say someone squeals on you when you find a cache that was buried less than 50 years ago but contained coins more than 50 years old. What do you suppose the authorities would do?

Hi Joe,
I think the first issue would be the landowner wanting their share.  If the
landowner was the government I think (my opinion only) they would seize
it and make you go to court to ask for it back.  In the meantime it would
sit in a property room and you have to worry about it not walking away.
I would sure want a receipt of exactly what is there when it was seized.
You should document it on film, possibly with witnesses before it is seized.
If someone squeals on you then it is: he said/he said and it would be up
to the squealer or possibly a court search of your premises to find out the
truth.  Where did this squealer come from with this knowledge?  Unfortunately
there are too many greedy people around that don't want anyone else
to do well.  Keep it to yourself.
Rich

Some times, it does not make sense to get the owner permission.  It took me ten years to get the ower permission. It was not worth it.

Bragging about cache finds can get you poor real quick.  First are a whole bunch of people who
step forward and claim their share; they either told you about it, they knew about it first, on their
land, they had a claim on it, it belonged to their ancestor, etc.  Then if it is over 50 years old
(1959 or earlier) then there are multiple government agencies, historical agencies etc. that
want to take your antiquities away from you and even fine you for digging them up and lastly
the IRS will want their share even if you lose it in court.
Whatever you are left with is fair game for all your poor relatives and friends.  You will get
multiple requests to lend or give a few dollars to all of them and the ex-wives who will take
you to court for more alimony.  Just look at Lotto winners who are broke in no time at all.
There is an old Italian saying, "MONEY IS ROUND AND IT ROLLS AWAY"!
So, don't expect any large caches to be pictured here.  Small ones maybe and they are just
as hard to find as the larger ones.
Have fun,
Rich

                           





i agree with you 100%.     ron

Well Boys, what do you think?  Should I oblige Minton or not?

Of course not. Why is he so interested in others finds? Perhaps he is just someone who likes to antagonize people. Can't carry on a decent conversation with others - always has to be aggresive (challenging?) towards others. Or maybe he IS IRS or some other government stooge. Who knows without proof? Ignore him and carry on.

1. We all (well most) know TNet is monitored by the Archies for sure & other agencies.
2. Most of us are old enough and been around long enough to have witnessed or heard of people being burglarized for their finds.
3. A wise old THer told me something I keep in the back of my head all the time. "Notoriety sucks"
4. Brag about a large find & you'll be looking over your shoulder pretty much forever.

If someone is here looking for help or guidance why demand proof? I'm sure most people are old enough and smart enough to accept the help and guidance and chuck the rest. Sit back read & learn! There's more experience and knowledge here than you'll ever be able to sop up. And best of it all, it's offered free of charge!

1. We all (well most) know TNet is monitored by the Archies for sure & other agencies.
2. Most of us are old enough and been around long enough to have witnessed or heard of people being burglarized for their finds.
3. A wise old THer told me something I keep in the back of my head all the time. "Notoriety sucks"
4. Brag about a large find & you'll be looking over your shoulder pretty much forever.

If someone is here looking for help or guidance why demand proof? I'm sure most people are old enough and smart enough to accept the help and guidance and chuck the rest. Sit back read & learn! There's more experience and knowledge here than you'll ever be able to sop up. And best of it all, it's offered free of charge!

Wise words, my friend.

agree and very well said.    ron

Guys that find $10 g get taxed or taken away from them. You want pics go to the picture area of t-net!

M7
I personaly know 2 men who have found two seperate caches. 
The first by a man who was in his teens and got in trouble for being in an abandoned house with his friends.  There were a couple hundred silver dollars in a wall underneath a non-functional heat vent.  Happened in the mid seventies  Is now one of my best friends and is as honest as the day is long.

The second is a man who has a business and was hired to find a stash.  Relitives of the man who burried them.  He was hired based on a percentage.  Did not get it in writing and got screwed, not a penny.  2) 1.5 gallon buckets of silver coin.  1) small bucket of gold coins.  plus two segrems 7 bags of coins he wasn't allowed to see. 

There is a post over on the findmall xterra forum about 6 months ago who found a cache and had the mod post for him.  Another one who got zip out of the deal, but he was ok with it.  I'll see if I can find the link.

I myself had left a cache of 3 sm. coffee cans when I was in the 6th grade.  Been dieing to go talk to folks who own the house now.  All clad I think.

Jeff

Try these links

http://www.bowenshideout.com/news.php?news_id=35

http://www.findmall.com/read.php?55,978240


If it was me I would;
1) Keep my mouth shut
2) Keep my mouth shut

They are out there and if you read enough of these posts you will begin to find evidence of them. You will be able to figure out who is full of it and who has a clue.

Jeff

Edit: the link don't take you to the pic, google bowens hideout and you will see the pic.