Hadron collider fixed and ready to wreak havoc

When did the financial meltdown begin?

When did everything seem to turn upside down? (politically and financially?)

According to wikipedia....  "The crisis hit its peak in September and October 2008".

here's the link

Is it just a coincidence that CERN's Hadron collider began operations on 10 September 2008?

I have often wondered if there was some unknown connection.

Anyway, here we go again....  

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/21/lhc_beams_back_up/

It seems December 3rd, the collisions will begin again...

I find this statement VERY erie...

"Much more likely than the destruction of the universe, according to top CERN brainbox Sergio Bertolucci, is that the LHC will open up a "door" into some kind of extradimensional continuum. "Something might come through" says Bertolucci, or alternatively we might sent something through to the other side."

Anyway, I'll be paying attention to world events on December 3rd!

Marc

We've dug ourselves into a black hole. Or would that be RED hole?

I say, pack it up and move it Copenhagen. Then fire it up and let the wild ride begin. 

as we move forward into unknown, uncharted territory, there will be many who do not agree and are set in their unwilling and unforgiving ways.

I *could* sit here for hours and lists ways that too many individuals wreak havoc on society....this Hadron chit is tinker toy stuff.

as we move forward into unknown, uncharted territory, there will be many who do not agree and are set in their unwilling and unforgiving ways.

I *could* sit here for hours and lists ways that too many individuals wreak havoc on society....this Hadron chit is tinker toy stuff.

Amen.

The financial meltdown "reached its PEAK in September and October."  The collapse started way before that. 

Maybe colliding atoms actually reversed the depression.  Maybe we should collide More atoms so that we can build our economy up again.   

Hmmmmm, could open a "door" into some "extadiminisional continuum" "Something might come through"

For a long time I have wondered about this. I have had questions about so many of our leading political figures. Are they human, or possibly something else?? For so long I have thought that they must be Aliens, but could it be they are from another dimension??? Holy H.P. Lovecraft Batman!!! Could it be....A experiment gone wrong such as the Philadelphia experiment in WWII and the rift is opened. A insidiously evil creature slithers over from the other side and grows to power over the years. Attaining a position of power it slowly plots the opening of the rift permanently to allow a horde of it's evil and despotic kin to enter our dimension and enslave humanity and use us as a FOOD SOURCE. In the mean time the creature in human guise works tirelessly to effect slavery of mankind as much as possible making it easier for the Army of evil to take control when they come through.

Could it be true?? Is it possible?? They are not Aliens?? It must be so.............BARAK OBAMA AND NANCY PEOLSI ARE FROM THE OTHER SIDE SENT HERE TO EAT OUR BABIES!!!!

Well, it sounds even cooler than aliens!

                                                  

The only question is, will we achieve this result first through nuclear physics or federal economics?

Many therorized the first nuclear explosion would light the atmosphere ablaze, bringing a firery end to civilization as we know it.

 Not much we can say anyway,except we will see.

as we move forward into unknown, uncharted territory, there will be many who do not agree and are set in their unwilling and unforgiving ways.

I *could* sit here for hours and lists ways that too many individuals wreak havoc on society....this Hadron chit is tinker toy stuff.

Amen.

The financial meltdown "reached its PEAK in September and October."  The collapse started way before that. 

Maybe colliding atoms actually reversed the depression.  Maybe we should collide More atoms so that we can build our economy up again.   

Christianity is a perfect example of what's on it's way out...."Adam colliding"...   If you don't like that statement, I'm VERY ok with your stance --and mine.

And truly, what IS the collective goal? 

Chit, most here, can't even agree on that one fundamental principal of life...intent.

I'm outta here to listen to some music.

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The only GOOD thought on this whole thing is the fact that those educated idio-tts will be the first to get folded, stapled, and mutilated.

Famous last words, "We thought it would work." 

In this case I don't subscribe to any predictions of doom.  Cosmic rays hit us every day that are more powerful than what they are going to pump out (usually filtered out by the atmosphere).

There is one bit of info that I did find surprising...

When the collider is running full tilt, if the magnetic confinement failed and the beam went into the wall it would have the momentum of an aircraft carrier doing 30 knots and would bore 100 yards into the wall.

Hmmmm.

Those people THINK they're going to recreate the Big Bang.  But,since the BB did not happen, they really don't know WHAT they're going to end up with.  The only thing for sure is, they'll force some type of fusion reaction that just might be a cascading energy column. 

They are kinda like a group of kids with a truckload of dynamite who've managed to buy a box of matches.

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The only GOOD thought on this whole thing is the fact that those educated idio-tts will be the first to get folded, stapled, and mutilated.

Famous last words, "We thought it would work." 

That same "i-d-i-o-t-i-c" thinking that dreamed up all the modern conveniences that you can't do without.  You should perhaps consider a hunter/gatherer lifestyle if you eschew science to that extent. 


Or you could say a prayer for the scientists, engineers, machinists, workers, and builders next time you use your microwave.

And while you're at it, pray that they don't destroy us before we have the chance to die due to hybrid food, cancer, car wreck, or any other of the wonderful things science has given us.

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The only GOOD thought on this whole thing is the fact that those educated idio-tts will be the first to get folded, stapled, and mutilated.

Famous last words, "We thought it would work."  

Yep.  Same "i-d-i-o-t-i-c" thinking that dreamed up all the modern conveniences that you can't do without.  You should perhaps consider a hunter/gatherer lifestyle if you eschew science to that extent.  


Or you could say a prayer for the scientists, engineers, machinists, workers, and builders next time you use your microwave.

Many minority groups in the West selectively use and abuse science to further their agenda's.
In doing so it reminds me of another group who is anti-Western yet uses the science of the
West to achieve its ends.
This is the Muslim terrorist bomber who uses mobile phones, the internet , aeroplanes
and modern explosives.
We saw the same anti-science mentality among a few posters here when NASA
recently(and successfully) probed the Moon for water.

And while you're at it, pray that they don't destroy us before we have the chance to die due to hybrid food, cancer, car wreck, or any other of the wonderful things science has given us.

Yes, you're right.  Science is awful.  I'd rather go back to life being "nasty, brutish, and short."  The single most deadly invention in the history of mankind--the Gun--that was invented by scientists too, right?   

Actually, I was just having a bit of fun with my post.  Sorry about that.  

In all seriousness (yawn), I doubt that the collider will impact anything other than subatomic particles and research super-slush funds.

As for my remark regarding the future effects of current federal fiscal policies— well, I apologize for that, too.  Unrealistic optimism has no place on this forum.

Of course, if it weren't for unrealistic optimism, this forum wouldn't exist!

(sorry couldn't resist!)

  

 

And while you're at it, pray that they don't destroy us before we have the chance to die due to hybrid food, cancer, car wreck, or any other of the wonderful things science has given us.

Yes, you're right.  Science is awful.  I'd rather go back to life being "nasty, brutish, and short."  The single most deadly invention in the history of mankind--the Gun--that was invented by scientists too, right?   

Did they actually have scientist in mid 1300's China?  Not that it really matters, but I am sure there was people being killed before then as well.   They just found a more efficient way to do it.

Of course, if it weren't for unrealistic optimism, this forum wouldn't exist!

(sorry couldn't resist!)

Yepper, that's the way I like to roll!! (I still think BO and NP came from another diminsion to eat our babies... or not!!)

Of course, if it weren't for unrealistic optimism, this forum wouldn't exist!

(sorry couldn't resist!)

Now that was funny!

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The only GOOD thought on this whole thing is the fact that those educated idio-tts will be the first to get folded, stapled, and mutilated.
Famous last words, "We thought it would work." 

That same "i-d-i-o-t-i-c" thinking that dreamed up all the modern conveniences that you can't do without.  You should perhaps consider a hunter/gatherer lifestyle if you eschew science to that extent. 
Or you could say a prayer for the scientists, engineers, machinists, workers, and builders next time you use your microwave.

The development of microwave ovens and the downscaling of radar klystron tubes to power them was a LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITLE  bit different that using that colider in trying to reproduce the Big Bang. 

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The only GOOD thought on this whole thing is the fact that those educated idio-tts will be the first to get folded, stapled, and mutilated.
Famous last words, "We thought it would work." 

That same "i-d-i-o-t-i-c" thinking that dreamed up all the modern conveniences that you can't do without.  You should perhaps consider a hunter/gatherer lifestyle if you eschew science to that extent. 
Or you could say a prayer for the scientists, engineers, machinists, workers, and builders next time you use your microwave.

The development of microwave ovens and the downscaling of radar klystron tubes to power them was a LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITLE  bit different that using that colider in trying to reproduce the Big Bang. 

The specifics are different--worlds apart in fact--but your bad attitude is still the same:  Fighting those silly educated people and their science, quest for truth, and education with your pseudoscience, superstition, and conspiracy theories.


Have you had to go back to school after the economic collapse, or were you lucky enough to get to keep your job?     

as we move forward into unknown, uncharted territory, there will be many who do not agree and are set in their unwilling and unforgiving ways.

I *could* sit here for hours and lists ways that too many individuals wreak havoc on society....this Hadron chit is tinker toy stuff.

Amen.

The financial meltdown "reached its PEAK in September and October."  The collapse started way before that.

Any perceived connection between the two events is totally unwarranted.

I do have a suggestion, though. Strap Phil Graham and the other financial "gurus" in the collider.

The specifics are different--worlds apart in fact--but your bad attitude is still the same:  Fighting those silly educated people and their science, quest for truth, and education with your pseudoscience, superstition, and conspiracy theories.

Have you had to go back to school after the economic collapse, or were you lucky enough to get to keep your job?     

MY bad attitude?     Looks like YOU'VE cornered the market on "bad attitude."  You're trying to turn an opinion thread into a personal vendetta.  Have I gone back to school?   NO.     Have I kept my job?   None of your business. 

I do have a suggestion, though. Strap Phil Graham and the other financial "gurus" in the collider.

 

The specifics are different--worlds apart in fact--but your bad attitude is still the same:  Fighting those silly educated people and their science, quest for truth, and education with your pseudoscience, superstition, and conspiracy theories.

Have you had to go back to school after the economic collapse, or were you lucky enough to get to keep your job?     

MY bad attitude?     Looks like YOU'VE cornered the market on "bad attitude."  You're trying to turn an opinion thread into a personal vendetta.  Have I gone back to school?   NO.     Have I kept my job?   None of your business. 

Don't take anything that guy says too seriously Shortstack, as he is one of these guys that never made it into the real world but rather decided to remain in the warm cocoon of the "academic world". These types always are quick to get their panties in a wad whenever the intentions or motivations of the ivory tower crowd are brought into question. He is one of these that will never pay very much in taxes, but has no limit as to how much of other folks tax money should spent on hair brained projects(sniff sniff, all in the name of science)....  Gpurs...

The specifics are different--worlds apart in fact--but your bad attitude is still the same:  Fighting those silly educated people and their science, quest for truth, and education with your pseudoscience, superstition, and conspiracy theories.

Have you had to go back to school after the economic collapse, or were you lucky enough to get to keep your job?     

MY bad attitude?     Looks like YOU'VE cornered the market on "bad attitude."  You're trying to turn an opinion thread into a personal vendetta.  Have I gone back to school?   NO.     Have I kept my job?   None of your business. 

Don't take anything that guy says too seriously Shortstack, as he is one of these guys that never made it into the real world but rather decided to remain in the warm cocoon of the "academic world". These types always are quick to get their panties in a wad whenever the intentions or motivations of the ivory tower crowd are brought into question. He is one of these that will never pay very much in taxes, but has no limit as to how much of other folks tax money should spent on hair brained projects(sniff sniff, all in the name of science)....  Gpurs...

OHHhhhhh.  One of THOOOoose!    Gotcha. 
About 45 years, or so, ago I planned for my future.  My intentions then was not to try to be the richest man in the world, but to be able to keep a roof over my head and groceries on the table.  I have managed to do that.  Not rich in money, but rich in spirit and able to carry my own load.  I've paid my dues in more ways than one to this country and her citizens and feel that I owe NO explanation to ANY swinging...............!
Well, to anyone;  most especially to any denizen of the academic world.  OOOH--RAA and a boogity-boogity.   

My CPA and I were talking about this the other day and he said all this started on September 12,1991,the day after 911.

The specifics are different--worlds apart in fact--but your bad attitude is still the same:  Fighting those silly educated people and their science, quest for truth, and education with your pseudoscience, superstition, and conspiracy theories.

Have you had to go back to school after the economic collapse, or were you lucky enough to get to keep your job?     

MY bad attitude?     Looks like YOU'VE cornered the market on "bad attitude."  You're trying to turn an opinion thread into a personal vendetta.  Have I gone back to school?   NO.     Have I kept my job?   None of your business. 

Don't take anything that guy says too seriously Shortstack, as he is one of these guys that never made it into the real world but rather decided to remain in the warm cocoon of the "academic world". These types always are quick to get their panties in a wad whenever the intentions or motivations of the ivory tower crowd are brought into question. He is one of these that will never pay very much in taxes, but has no limit as to how much of other folks tax money should spent on hair brained projects(sniff sniff, all in the name of science)....  Gpurs...

OHHhhhhh.  One of THOOOoose!    Gotcha. 
About 45 years, or so, ago I planned for my future.  My intentions then was not to try to be the richest man in the world, but to be able to keep a roof over my head and groceries on the table.  I have managed to do that.  Not rich in money, but rich in spirit and able to carry my own load.  I've paid my dues in more ways than one to this country and her citizens and feel that I owe NO explanation to ANY swinging...............!
Well, to anyone;  most especially to any denizen of the academic world.  OOOH--RAA and a boogity-boogity.   

LOL, you must have no idea how little teachers get paid.    


I pay my taxes in full.  And I get just as much voting power as you guys do--a Single Vote.  Teachers are not the reason that this tired old world is the way it is right now.  Nor is the hadron collider.  Otherwise the answer would be simple--murder all of us teachers and blow up the particle smasher. 


Most of the scientific projects that go on in the U.S. are funded by Businesses and Corporations (especially medical).  They are not funded by the State or Federal Government.  GPURS would do well to find out how much tax money is spent on "hair brained scientific projects" vs. how much money from the private sector is spent on these projects before he spouts off in a public forum.  But perhaps he considers Paving a Road to be a hair brained scientific project. 


-Buck

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Here's a thought...

How about confining this discussion to the collider and issues directly related to it?

Those members who are unable to contain their opinions of one another are advised to express them only in PM's or e-mails, not on an open forum.

My opinion regarding the collider. As already stated:

HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   THE BARRIER BETWEEN US AND THE DIMINISION OF BABIE EATERS WILL BE TORN ASSUNDER!!   MASS HYSTERIA WILL HAPPEN!! RUN FOR YUR LIVES!!! THEY WILL EAT US ALL!!    BUY A HAM RAIDO SO YOU CAN HELP THE UNDERGROUND DURING THE WAR WITH THE BABIE EATERS!!!

21stTNCav:

     Your attempt at humor may be closer to the truth than you know.  The theories of multiple dimensions are already being taken seriously by many notable physicists.  Several years ago, I bought and read a book titled, PARALLEL UNIVERSES, The Search for Other Worlds, by Fred Alan Wolf, PhD.   There is a very interesting idea mentioned in this book:

The present quantum physical picture of the electron is that in order for it not to fall into the nucleus, it exists in the the form of a cloud, not a particle.  The cloud is made up of separate electrons, each occupying a different position in a separate world or universe.  As long as no one tries to locate it, these separate universes overlay, creating a single world.  In this world the electron is a cloud in space, and this cloud actually gives the atom its shape in the world and provides it with a stable and defined energy.

   He then proceeds to speak of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle and other subatomic information.  My point here is to point out, again, that the  people "playing" with that collider at CERN are trying to reproduce the so-called Big Bang which, theoretically produced all energies in existence.  Now what if, in playing with this atomic collider, they open one of the other dimensions and an unknown energy blasts through, ripping apart this planet;  this solar system? 

     God promised that if he ever found the need to destroy mankind again, it would be by fire.  What better way to fuel that fire, than atomic energy? 

The Men in Black have relevance here. I believe the collider is the means to break free
of the Galaxy that we are trapped in and to enable us to interact with those other Galaxies
that the "Hand" in the final sequence is playing marbles with.

How many here feel trapped in a hum drum existence and wish for a epoch making event
to jolt the world to its senses.

As Texan Connection pointed out earlier, there were those who were against nuclear testing for fear of causing an atmospheric chain reaction.....

As far as "dadgum science costs too much money"....well, science brought you medicine, fuel efficient engines, chemistry, and your metal detectors. Or did you think they were created by magic?

As Texan Connection pointed out earlier, there were those who were against nuclear testing for fear of causing an atmospheric chain reaction.....

As far as "dadgum science costs too much money"....well, science brought you medicine, fuel efficient engines, chemistry, and your metal detectors. Or did you think they were created by magic?

It's not so much science, but the abuses and irresponsibility of science that is bad. We're all spoiled to the conveniences science had given us, but at the same time our planet is being destroyed, and lives are being lost daily. And we say, oh well, it's just the price we pay for progress. We once breathed clean air, and could drink water from streams...not any more. We once didn't worry about our teenagers being killed in car wrecks, but now we do. We once didn't have deformities and death from eating hybrid food, but now we do. Yes sir, we have progressed. I know the argument about medicine, but even that has been abused to the point we can't survive without it. Our bodies are so  weakened from the food we eat, and by chemicals, that we need these things to hold us up. If we'd had the good sense to use medicine wisely, and not let things get out of control, and not do all these other things, we'd be doing good. But that's not our nature. We had to keep "progressing" until we got the world in the mess it's in, where not only these things are happening, but we've lost even the ability to recognize what's really going on.

How did we get this far with no Bible verse quotes?   


Maybe they'll fire that thing up and Buckle Boy will get his T-net search powers back.

[(Except for Giardia, which is still a problem, and the other water borne illnesses such as amobeiasis, and typhoid)...]

Ok, KK, here we go:

It's not so much science, but the abuses and irresponsibility of science that is bad. We're all spoiled to the conveniences science had given us, but at the same time our planet is being destroyed, and lives are being lost daily. And we say, oh well, it's just the price we pay for progress. We once breathed clean air, and could drink water from streams(Except for Giardia, which is still a problem, and the other water borne illnesses such as amobeiasis, and typhoid)...not any more. We once didn't worry about our teenagers being killed in car wrecks, but now we do.(Cars are safer now than they ever were, but teens also are texting more, so we will call that a draw) We once didn't have deformities and death from eating hybrid food, but now we do. (Care to post a source. Many deformities are from over use of soy products, which contain phytoestrogens, and chemical pesticides)Yes sir, we have progressed. I know the argument about medicine, but even that has been abused to the point we can't survive without it.(We are living far longer now, or do you perhaps think we should all die in our forties as was common a scant fifty to seventy five years ago? More and more of my military brothers and sisters are surviving war thanks to medical improvements) Our bodies are so  weakened from the food we eat, and by chemicals, that we need these things to hold us up. (NoIf we'd had the good sense to use medicine wisely, and not let things get out of control, and not do all these other things, we'd be doing good. But that's not our nature. We had to keep "progressing" until we got the world in the mess it's in, where not only these things are happening, but we've lost even the ability to recognize what's really going on. 
(Most people fear change. We are saving more and more lives every year. There is a balance that must be paid. Environmental damage comes from greedy businesses, not your everyday person. Greedy developers suck every drop of water from ancient aquifers....we have the scientific ability to create newer, cleaner engines, but people want cheap easy fossil fuels. People want to live close to the shore, without regard to the fact that nature can never be fully tamed, no matter how good science is. )

[(Except for Giardia, which is still a problem, and the other water borne illnesses such as amobeiasis, and typhoid)...]

Ok, KK, here we go:

It's not so much science, but the abuses and irresponsibility of science that is bad. We're all spoiled to the conveniences science had given us, but at the same time our planet is being destroyed, and lives are being lost daily. And we say, oh well, it's just the price we pay for progress. We once breathed clean air, and could drink water from streams(Except for Giardia, which is still a problem, and the other water borne illnesses such as amobeiasis, and typhoid)...not any more. We once didn't worry about our teenagers being killed in car wrecks, but now we do.(Cars are safer now than they ever were, but teens also are texting more, so we will call that a draw) We once didn't have deformities and death from eating hybrid food, but now we do. (Care to post a source. Many deformities are from over use of soy products, which contain phytoestrogens, and chemical pesticides)Yes sir, we have progressed. I know the argument about medicine, but even that has been abused to the point we can't survive without it.(We are living far longer now, or do you perhaps think we should all die in our forties as was common a scant fifty to seventy five years ago? More and more of my military brothers and sisters are surviving war thanks to medical improvements) Our bodies are so  weakened from the food we eat, and by chemicals, that we need these things to hold us up. (NoIf we'd had the good sense to use medicine wisely, and not let things get out of control, and not do all these other things, we'd be doing good. But that's not our nature. We had to keep "progressing" until we got the world in the mess it's in, where not only these things are happening, but we've lost even the ability to recognize what's really going on.  
(Most people fear change. We are saving more and more lives every year. There is a balance that must be paid. Environmental damage comes from greedy businesses, not your everyday person. Greedy developers suck every drop of water from ancient aquifers....we have the scientific ability to create newer, cleaner engines, but people want cheap easy fossil fuels. People want to live close to the shore, without regard to the fact that nature can never be fully tamed, no matter how good science is. )

We are living longer than ever before. Except for those who are KILLED in car wrecks, plane crashes and diseases which are gifts from our "civilized" world. And isn't texting given to us by science? Anyone who has ever experienced loosing a loved one would trade all this to have their family. I've already said we would have done well if we'd have been wise with medicine.

Cars are safer that ever before. That's like saying drinking poison is safer than before because its been diluted. IT STILL KILLS. When you can completely stop deaths and bring back those who have been taken, then you'll have something. It's not that I'm against cars. In today's world we have to use them. But let's at least be honest about the facts.

And before you give the argument about guns, let me say again, I'm not against the things we have invented...just saying that we would be healthier and happier if we'd never had them.

You assume too much. I am a gun owner, collector, and an avid hunter. Do not assume that just because I am liberal I am antigun.

Sheesh.

That's all, just Sheesh.

Ray S

I am afraid you may have to elaborate, since Sheesh is just not quite enough for me. Shisha, sure..but sheesh?

You assume too much. I am a gun owner, collector, and an avid hunter. Do not assume that just because I am liberal I am antigun.

I'm not assuming you are antigun. I did think you, or someone else, would bring up the issue in an attempt to void my point.

Not me...I own far too many guns for that to even be valid.

How did we get this far with no Bible verse quotes?   


Maybe they'll fire that thing up and Buckle Boy will get his T-net search powers back.

Hopefully.  Fire it up!   


Maybe I'll get superpowers too--like X-ray vision.  That would be a nice superpower to have 

Smashing News Break
They are at 20% right not. The thing is 17 miles long. At 20% that was 11,000 time around the ring a second. Actually its two going opposite directions. Its goal is 1 or 2 trillionth of a second.
 That is the Big Bang when collision takes place. This is where we may see things like dark matter, antimatter and supersymmetry.
 Intentional hits start in 10 days
 The ultimate goal is finding the Higgs Boson a particle that gives mass to other sub atomic particles which is... What? Everything in the universe.
The director of Cern (sp?) said that nature needed to be kind to them.( Ya think)

 I think its facinating and a little bit scary. Lots of magnets in that. Things goin round way underground. Maybe after its all said and done it will have helped create a metal detector for all you guys that tells you exactly what it is in the ground and wether its worth the energy for you to get on your knees and dig the plug.
 I like new technology . I also like something that just beeps.
 Happy Thanksgiving !
TnMountains

I think its fascinating and a little bit scary. Lots of magnets in that. Things goin round way underground. Maybe after its all said and done it will have helped create a metal detector for all you guys that tells you exactly what it is in the ground and wether its worth the energy for you to get on your knees and dig the plug.
 I like new technology . I also like something that just beeps.
 Happy Thanksgiving !
TnMountains

Kind of along the lines of what I was thinking. All this and we can't believe that it's possible to build a detector that can detect at 1-2 hundred yards.

I think we all like new technology. It's fascinating. But what looks like progress is not always progress.

They gave a nickname to the Higgs Boson particle.  They also call it "the God particle".  Kinda tells you were their thoughts are going, doesn't it?  And, I don't care what anyone else thinks, but I don't believe God will let them succeed with their objective.  He'll slap them down in some way.

Do you know anything about the Higg's Boson, other than the nickname? And if God gets so personally involved in scientific enquiry, why did he allow the atomic bomb to be created?

Do you know anything about the Higg's Boson, other than the nickname? And if God gets so personally involved in scientific enquiry, why did he allow the atomic bomb to be created?

Maybe because he foretold it would be used in the last days.

That must take some creative reading of The Revelation.

...God Particle is from Leon Lederman's book of the same name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leon_M._Lederman).  Physicists call it that because it is theorized that this particle gives all other particles their mass.  Higg's joked that Lederman actually wanted to call it "the g*dd*mn particle".  Lederman has a place by my mom's and I've met him several times...he's pretty sure the particle is there (of course, he's a physicist and they believe nothing if not their tightly-held theories)...if they don't find it that will tell them something too.

As for the collider doing something catastrophic...there are reactions as strong or stronger going on all around us in our solar system and the universe at large.  As an analogy, saying it could cause a catastrophe would be like saying that adding a raindrop to a rainshower would cause a flood.  Mechanically, there could be problems and "explosions", etc., but not nuclear/atomic/quantum in nature, but rather from the amount of power in the beam and the superconducting confinement system.

It's hard not to look at this like children smashing clocks together and mashing them to bits to see how they work.  But, colliders have taught us more than any other method in refining the standard model, so they do what they can with what they've got.  Although I believe the gov't (or gov't within the gov't) already has tech at least 50 years advanced from what we perceive as current technology, I say go for it...let's see what the hell happens and see what we can learn.  It could be marvelous, it could be a deadend, but something will be learned and we, as TH'ers, should understand the sense of curiosity and the need to know what's out there as well as anyone could.

That must take some creative reading of The Revelation.

Not at all. But it does take something wonderful. I wish I could show it to you.

Actually, it's in the Old Testament.

Do you know anything about the Higg's Boson, other than the nickname? And if God gets so personally involved in scientific enquiry, why did He allow the atomic bomb to be created?

Yesssss, I know more about the Higg's Boson than it's nickname.  And as far a God allowing the atomic bomb to be created, perhaps He was testing us.  After all, when He gave man free thought and self-governence, He also expects us to be responsible for our actions.  Those atomic bombs were a test that, so far, we are flunking. 

And, by the way;  I corrected your spelling of "He" for you.  You're welcome.

Maybe they can coincide the big day to match the Aztec calendar.  Give people something to put in the tabloids.      I bet Lederman would be an interesting guy to talk to. Wonder if he like to find treasure? 

Unrealistic Optimism.  Yeah I got it.  You should have a separate forum for that.  About three of us would realize we fit in there and post there.

Guns  sheesh. Guns allowed the people to topple the medieval system of lords and serfs.   No longer would the expensive armor protect the nobles who were the only ones able to afford it, or were allowed to have it..

A gun gives a  woman alone,  the equality of a ten foot man in an emergency.

It is estimated that in proportion to the worlds population arrows killed many more times than guns, as for swords  sigh. until recently, arrows held the honor in sheer numbers also.

My motto and belief is what I saw engraved on a set of pistol grips once --

"Be not afraid of any man, no matter what his size, just call upon me and I I will equalize".

I am an unabashed gun lover, who was trained to fly by the USAF, but doesn't believe that aircraft are inherently evil, although they  probably have killed more people than any other form of violence collectively..

Of course the fact that guns have saved me twice in civilian life  does have a little bit to do with it.

Don Jose de La Mancha

Hmmmmm, could open a "door" into some "extadiminisional continuum" "Something might come through"

For a long time I have wondered about this. I have had questions about so many of our leading political figures. Are they human, or possibly something else?? For so long I have thought that they must be Aliens, but could it be they are from another dimension??? Holy H.P. Lovecraft Batman!!! Could it be....A experiment gone wrong such as the Philadelphia experiment in WWII and the rift is opened. A insidiously evil creature slithers over from the other side and grows to power over the years. Attaining a position of power it slowly plots the opening of the rift permanently to allow a horde of it's evil and despotic kin to enter our dimension and enslave humanity and use us as a FOOD SOURCE. In the mean time the creature in human guise works tirelessly to effect slavery of mankind as much as possible making it easier for the Army of evil to take control when they come through.

Could it be true?? Is it possible?? They are not Aliens?? It must be so.............BARAK OBAMA AND NANCY PEOLSI ARE FROM THE OTHER SIDE SENT HERE TO EAT OUR BABIES!!!!

Well, it sounds even cooler than aliens!

                                                  

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOk! It seems they let you have a computer, are you allowed sharp pencils or is it still Crayons?

Well, it's the third of December.....I'm not on the other side of the universe, anyone else gone through a time portal yet? If I do, I'll wanna go back to see ACDC with Bon Scott again in Miami!!

Check this out.....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...iral-UFO-puts-Norway-in-a-spin.html

I wonder if the collider had anything to do with it?
 

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/1hrWjkn_DHs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/1hrWjkn_DHs</a>

That doesn't look like any missile or rocket launch that I've ever seen.   
The way that bright light source spirals outward, evenly doesn't look like any self-destruct explosion I've seen either.  These spirals are evenly shaped and are very large compared to the centerpoint and dim evenly as they go dark. 

I don't believe this is as missile launch;  good or bad.

I agree.. no way this is a failed missile launch! I would REALLY like to know what the hadron collider was doing at that moment!

 A little update from lastnight. 

I was reading a news post last night that stated the spirals were "probably caused by the dumping of fuel from the missile."   BULLSH--.   No missile or rocket dumps any fuel whether it's going to self-destruct or not.  There is NO WAY to dump fuel from a missile.  Note:  A MISSILE uses liquid fuel;  a ROCKET uses solid fuel.  If a missile (or rocket for that matter) has a self-destruct set-up, it uses the fuel to magnify the force of the explosion. 

That "thing" shown on that news clip was not a missile launch;  unless, someone is experimenting with a warp drive. ( and that is NOT meant as a funny comment.)

Dec. 10:
Update (again):   Now the Russians are claiming that it was a missile test from a submarine that went wrong.  Apparently, they're wanting us to believe the spirals were formed by the missile's motor still burning.  PULLLLEEESE.  If the missile turned sideways, the original track would be greatly curved and the missile would still go "forward" due to it's original momentum.  And where was the huge fire ball that would have been formed with the self-destruction action.

Paging agents Fox Moulder and Dana Scully...