Two gold mines detected

My brother, TimC and myself, detected the Gold mines near Hwy 49 at New Melones Reservoir. Minimal success. The first pic shows the foundation of GM1, visible from the 49 bridge across the reservoir (I always thought this was a bridge foundation). Second pic shows its shaft. Pic 3 shows GM2 with TimC standing in its shaft... he is in the middle of the pic, just above the center. This GM is above #1, about 100 yards into the woods. Pic 4 is my finds. A hand-wound iron wire "cordage", a brass rivet from a tool, and a square nail. The last pic is very sad. The Sentinal is dying, just like the mine and miners have. This tree was here before the mine was made and now, alas, after a few hundred years, it too goes. Now.... BEWARE! The ranger at this FEDERAL park (Mark Twain Rec Area) warned we could detect but we could NOT dig or destroy any foliage! We had a good time. This site is rated EASY, with parking nearby. Come on down and good luck! TTC

Test, test.

  WOW I hope you find lots of great things 

A million nails.  Probably many more square nails to be found.  Several tailings piles.

glad you got out, but if you cannot dig how did you recover the items? not being critical, because I've been told this before and didn't detect the site cause I couldn't figure out how to recover targets without digging so what is the secret? any way thanks for sharing and hh

Man,your right below the Ranger headquarters...Looks like the Norwegan mine.I detected the old town of Melones before the lake was filled.They had bulldozed all the buildings,foundations etc into piles!This was probably in 1977 with a Compass detector,good machines back in the day.Heard that ranger warning,"don't let us see you put anything in your pockets",put the coins in my boot......Dave.

glad you got out, but if you cannot dig how did you recover the items? not being critical, because I've been told this before and didn't detect the site cause I couldn't figure out how to recover targets without digging so what is the secret? any way thanks for sharing and hh

The "trick", I guess, is in the definition(s). Get creative! Do NOT take in a shovel, scooper, axe, or rake. DO take in a probe, hook, and 5 gallon bucket. I have NEVER been hassled when I've shown my collection of "finds": pop-tops, cans, plastic bottles and such, filling the bucket. Get the picture? Yes, I am fudging a bit on my answer. "I have been told that" some people can dig such a tiny hole that after "filling", you could not tell a hole was dug! Does "foliage" include dead stuff that is composting? Can you move rocks.... to new locations, such as small "scars" made on the land? It is obvious that Fed Law must include MDs. BLM law actualy states that MDs are allowed, and never goes on to regulate their use. I was a Milwaukee, WI police officer for almost 20 years. Meaning, KNOW the law, KNOW your area, and don't be intimidated by a badge. I've said alot without saying much... hope this helps. gl  TTC

Post Script to the above... I hunted the national park at Jamestown, VA back in my newbie days. As I walked back to the car, a ranger approached, asking if I found anything. I pulled a poptop, bottle cap, foil, pieces of glass, .... and a great big gold plated earing from my pocket.. oops! He told me to "get lost". Gladly!  TTC

Great pics of a pretty area.  Sounds like your best 'find' of the day was your camera after you lost it!

Great pics of a pretty area.  Sounds like your best 'find' of the day was your camera after you lost it!

Yes, sir! Thanks for the response, my friend.  TTC

There's gotta be something there...good luck

i guess what they dont know, cant hurt them !!

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It's legal to prospect on BLM property with a tector.

So if you were "prospecting" shouldn't you be able to recover the gold/silver/whatever your prospecting for with a digging device 

glad you got out, but if you cannot dig how did you recover the items? not being critical, because I've been told this before and didn't detect the site cause I couldn't figure out how to recover targets without digging so what is the secret? any way thanks for sharing and hh

The "trick", I guess, is in the definition(s). Get creative! Do NOT take in a shovel, scooper, axe, or rake. DO take in a probe, hook, and 5 gallon bucket. I have NEVER been hassled when I've shown my collection of "finds": pop-tops, cans, plastic bottles and such, filling the bucket. Get the picture? Yes, I am fudging a bit on my answer. "I have been told that" some people can dig such a tiny hole that after "filling", you could not tell a hole was dug! Does "foliage" include dead stuff that is composting? Can you move rocks.... to new locations, such as small "scars" made on the land? It is obvious that Fed Law must include MDs. BLM law actualy states that MDs are allowed, and never goes on to regulate their use. I was a Milwaukee, WI police officer for almost 20 years. Meaning, KNOW the law, KNOW your area, and don't be intimidated by a badge. I've said alot without saying much... hope this helps. gl  TTC

Well,first off,being a former officer of the law I would think you should know that these sites(forums)are being monitored by the law,and you have just printed your guilt!Two the land you were on is not B.L.M.,and if it was you have a square nail that is classified as a historical artifact,which is illegal to remove from B.L.M. land.#3 why do you need to invite more people up here that most dont pay heed to private property?Note everything above the highwater mark around the lake is PRIVATE PROPERTY

glad you got out, but if you cannot dig how did you recover the items? not being critical, because I've been told this before and didn't detect the site cause I couldn't figure out how to recover targets without digging so what is the secret? any way thanks for sharing and hh

The "trick", I guess, is in the definition(s). Get creative! Do NOT take in a shovel, scooper, axe, or rake. DO take in a probe, hook, and 5 gallon bucket. I have NEVER been hassled when I've shown my collection of "finds": pop-tops, cans, plastic bottles and such, filling the bucket. Get the picture? Yes, I am fudging a bit on my answer. "I have been told that" some people can dig such a tiny hole that after "filling", you could not tell a hole was dug! Does "foliage" include dead stuff that is composting? Can you move rocks.... to new locations, such as small "scars" made on the land? It is obvious that Fed Law must include MDs. BLM law actualy states that MDs are allowed, and never goes on to regulate their use. I was a Milwaukee, WI police officer for almost 20 years. Meaning, KNOW the law, KNOW your area, and don't be intimidated by a badge. I've said alot without saying much... hope this helps. gl  TTC

Well,first off,being a former officer of the law I would think you should know that these sites(forums)are being monitored by the law,and you have just printed your guilt!Two the land you were on is not B.L.M.,and if it was you have a square nail that is classified as a historical artifact,which is illegal to remove from B.L.M. land.#3 why do you need to invite more people up here that most dont pay heed to private property?Note everything above the highwater mark around the lake is PRIVATE PROPERTY

Ok, Kuger, you got me. I removed a square nail from federal land. Please lighten up. First, as a former P O, I not only know but expect ANYTHING I put on the internet may come back to haunt me. Google up Van Jones and you'll know what I mean. Where in my post did I say I DUG up ANYTHING? Second, You are right, the land is a national park, not BLM. My original post is not clear on that. Peruse BLM ( for sale) maps Oakdale and San Andreas and tell me there is no BLM land around the Melones. And third but most important to me is that I will invite ANY and ALL of my TNet friends to hunt on any non-private lands I hunt. It is open to all! It is my nature and intent to make this activity as fun for me and my friends as I can. No site is ever hunted out. The better hunters will ALWAYS find more. Sorry. If you would like to speak further, let's take it up as e-mails or call me at 209-728-3316. Please, no more public fight. Take care, friend.  TTC

I like this.  Dig, dig, dig, dug.

It's legal to prospect on BLM property with a tector.

So if you were "prospecting" shouldn't you be able to recover the gold/silver/whatever your prospecting for with a digging device 

You CAN recover whatever from most Federal land after getting the proper claim papers. But no commercial enterprize, only recreational, without them. No commercial in National parks. The rangers on Hwy 4, near Arnold, told me "Go for it!" in the Stanislaus National Forest with my MD. They also reminded me not to disturb or remove indian artifacts that are found.  TTC

Fair enough you will hear from me.Just as a note the land is Army Cor. of Engineers.All I can ask to the Hoards of your followers is just because its not posted(people think its funny to repeatedly tear "NO TRESPASSING',signs down)doesnt mean you can go.I am not threatening but trespassing has gotten out of control up here and landowners are fed up,and some dont call the law.

The Law Requires in most counties that signs be posted at least every 200 yards........@ least in Cali.     

Amador County advises you that properties are private even when not posted, and that the laws regarding are enforced.

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Pretty photos, looks like a nice tranquil area to have a picnic.  I presume, however, that picnicking is prohibited.

Terry C, just upstream from the small island in your pic and under water,the old highway 49 bridge is still there.If we have another fairly dry winter you will see and be able to walk on it.The Norwegian mine was a good one back in it's day.Many books at the library in Angels/or main branch in San Andreas about Melones,including all the Las Calaveras quarterly mags from the historical society.There are hundreds of archaeological sites around the lake that were studied and some excavated by gov't people.A museumn was supposed to be built to hold the thousands of artifacts found,but lack of cash,gov't bull.... stopped that and and and the stuff went in a warehouse somewhere,with lot's of rare finds being never cataloged and stolen.Believe this is a National recreational area,run by the Bureau of reclamation.There is some BLM ground,however some of it is withdrawn for power sites etc,some claimed and most surrounded by private property,with no legal public access.There are park rangers,fish and game officers and sheriff deputies who patrol on boats.Everything on the north side in the general area of the Stevenot bridge is either viable mining claims or private ground,all the way to Carson Hill!In your general area,between Murphys and Sheep ranch on the Sheep ranch road is much BLM ground with some claims open,abandoned etc.Lot's of hoses these days also,and people who border the BLM ground think and act as if ot's theirs..........Dave.

Terry C, just upstream from the small island in your pic and under water,the old highway 49 bridge is still there.If we have another fairly dry winter you will see and be able to walk on it.The Norwegian mine was a good one back in it's day.Many books at the library in Angels/or main branch in San Andreas about Melones,including all the Las Calaveras quarterly mags from the historical society.There are hundreds of archaeological sites around the lake that were studied and some excavated by gov't people.A museumn was supposed to be built to hold the thousands of artifacts found,but lack of cash,gov't bull.... stopped that and and and the stuff went in a warehouse somewhere,with lot's of rare finds being never cataloged and stolen.Believe this is a National recreational area,run by the Bureau of reclamation.There is some BLM ground,however some of it is withdrawn for power sites etc,some claimed and most surrounded by private property,with no legal public access.There are park rangers,fish and game officers and sheriff deputies who patrol on boats.Everything on the north side in the general area of the Stevenot bridge is either viable mining claims or private ground,all the way to Carson Hill!In your general area,between Murphys and Sheep ranch on the Sheep ranch road is much BLM ground with some claims open,abandoned etc.Lot's of hoses these days also,and people who border the BLM ground think and act as if ot's theirs..........Dave.

Thanks, Dave on the large update. There are Many MiWuk settlements in and around Pennsylvania gulch. It pays to get to know your neighbors. I ONLY take pictures. Mmmmm, might be time to strap on the tanks again and get a look at that bridge!  TTC

Just down the road from Michaelson school on Penn gulch road is the old mining camp of Brownsville,but you probably know that.Getting on the private property with permission is the big thing in all these counties.Watch the boats in the diving..many foundations on the north bank from the bridge upstream and a few just upstream from that Tuolomne ramp you were on.

http://www.usbr.gov/mp/ccao/newmelones/photo_gallery/index.html

http://www.malakoff.com/goldcountry/melones.htm

Fair enough you will hear from me.Just as a note the land is Army Cor. of Engineers.All I can ask to the Hoards of your followers is just because its not posted(people think its funny to repeatedly tear "NO TRESPASSING',signs down)doesnt mean you can go.I am not threatening but trespassing has gotten out of control up here and landowners are fed up,and some dont call the law.

Veiled threat imo.  On one hand you are asking people to stay away because its "Federal Land" of which taxpayers money is used to purchase/upkeep etc. and then in the same breath telling everyone to stay away because if someone accidentally (or not) trespasses onto your land you may or may not call the law thereby insinuating that you will take the law into your own hands.   So,  if anyone here has shown to be guilty of exposing themselves it would be you.  And on a personal note,  if you take the law into your own hands as you have stated,  based on your post I hope you come out on the short end of your effort to hand out your version of the law. 

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Fair enough you will hear from me.Just as a note the land is Army Cor. of Engineers.All I can ask to the Hoards of your followers is just because its not posted(people think its funny to repeatedly tear "NO TRESPASSING',signs down)doesnt mean you can go.I am not threatening but trespassing has gotten out of control up here and landowners are fed up,and some dont call the law.

Veiled threat imo.  On one hand you are asking people to stay away because its "Federal Land" of which taxpayers money is used to purchase/upkeep etc. and then in the same breath telling everyone to stay away because if someone accidentally (or not) trespasses onto your land you may or may not call the law thereby insinuating that you will take the law into your own hands.   So,  if anyone here has shown to be guilty of exposing themselves it would be you.  And on a personal note,  if you take the law into your own hands as you have stated,  based on your post I hope you come out on the short end of your effort to hand out your version of the law. 

O.K. wise guy....go back and read what I said(if you can)I never said it was up to me whether or not you could detect federal land,I dont make the law!You as well as the poster should learn the law.I have to abide by it as well.I never said I had any control over federal land,I too wish I could do many things on that land I cannot,but I am a law abiding citizen,and found it amazing that a guy goes on to state how to "get away",with it!Do you think the Rangers are stupid?Test the waters for yourself,I do not give a damn!I also never said I would take the law into my hands,I do not own property,just warning you city folk that come up here and just think you can go wherever you please it isnt so!Can I come detect your yard?Veiled threat?I choose to not argue on here,just trying to make it known how it is.

Just down the road from Michaelson school on Penn gulch road is the old mining camp of Brownsville,but you probably know that.Getting on the private property with permission is the big thing in all these counties.Watch the boats in the diving..many foundations on the north bank from the bridge upstream and a few just upstream from that Tuolomne ramp you were on.

Yes, aware of the Brownsville area. A large limb fell out of that tree lately. Did not hit the gravesite, though. Whew! My research indicates a Dr. Oliver of Angels Camp administers that (private land) corner. Went to what should have been his office but was a private residence. Workin' on it!  Thanks (all) TTC

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All very interesting reading, and I can understand where Kuger is coming from (although recovering a square nail as an artifact....while I guess it's what the feds rules state...seems like a BIG stretch to me, but rules are rules, even if their benign I suppose). Maybe some of the larger detecting clubs should challenge those rules and get them changed to something more equitable like the Brits have.  If the recovered item qualifies as a bonefide treasure, then the state/fed govt can pay the market value for it if they feel they want it for a museum collection or such.  Seems a pity to just let those relics sit there and rot  

It's interesting that ridgehunter58 offered his two cents worth with his first and only two posts  

I've always wanted to hunt up that way with all the great early California history around there, but aside from the few public parks and other public places that exist up there (which I'm sure have been pounded to death), I have no idea where to hunt or any connections to hunt on any of the private property spots that are likely to have old camps and such where good finds could probably be made.

Cal-Cobra,
Put your brain to work! ANYWHERE in the "Gold Belt" area is good. The Hwy 49 is named after the 49'rs that worked the area. Most claims were an 8 foot by 8 foot square with 4 feet for "throwing dirt". ALL the area was worked... good... by these old (and young) farts. The Columbia area is a perfect example of gold fever gone amuk! Those rocks were once underground. But that was before metal detectors! And over 150 years ago! It's a whole new day! Rule number one... go to where gold was found in abundance and work it harder than you ever did.Take pictures of the bedrock. Lots of them. Match it to the areas you think would be good. Use Google Earth. Does it still look good? It wouldn't hurt to hit the local parks for gold and silver trinkets, either. Research, research, research. I could go on and on but good books will tell it better than I. Go for it.  TTC

Great photo's of New Melones lake. I've fished there quite a bit. As far as metal detecting around there I've not considered it as I don't have the knowledge of rules regarding this activity. I've been very cautious to this fact ever since I got warned at Lake Camanche to stop detecting by an employee of East Bay Municipal District, not knowing that Metal Detecting is illegal on their property. I would be more than happy to detect with you if the area we are in has been granted permission, or metal detecting is allowed, and rules are followed.

Great photo's of New Melones lake. I've fished there quite a bit. As far as metal detecting around there I've not considered it as I don't have the knowledge of rules regarding this activity. I've been very cautious to this fact ever since I got warned at Lake Camanche to stop detecting by an employee of East Bay Municipal District, not knowing that Metal Detecting is illegal on their property. I would be more than happy to detect with you if the area we are in has been granted permission, or metal detecting is allowed, and rules are followed.

Kudo's to you Pake,know the rules,and please respect private property...thats all I am asking.Terry, good talking to you.Good luck to all!

Pakeha63,
Is that avatar a self protrait? Ugh! Just kidding! If you're from stocton, you have a plethora of places to hunt. As stated earlier in this post, I like to get exact with where I hunt on public property. The private places I hunt are never posted unless I have permission. Since I seldom post private places, you may assume the local land owners are very protective. Rightfully so. I do research up here near Murphys but not near Stocton. I'm sure you have many more public places to pick from than here. Invite me down... we'll go from there. HH   TTC

Thanks Kuger.... likewise.  TTC

Terry C, just upstream from the small island in your pic and under water,the old highway 49 bridge is still there.If we have another fairly dry winter you will see and be able to walk on it.The Norwegian mine was a good one back in it's day.Many books at the library in Angels/or main branch in San Andreas about Melones,including all the Las Calaveras quarterly mags from the historical society.There are hundreds of archaeological sites around the lake that were studied and some excavated by gov't people.A museumn was supposed to be built to hold the thousands of artifacts found,but lack of cash,gov't bull.... stopped that and and and the stuff went in a warehouse somewhere,with lot's of rare finds being never cataloged and stolen.Believe this is a National recreational area,run by the Bureau of reclamation.There is some BLM ground,however some of it is withdrawn for power sites etc,some claimed and most surrounded by private property,with no legal public access.There are park rangers,fish and game officers and sheriff deputies who patrol on boats.Everything on the north side in the general area of the Stevenot bridge is either viable mining claims or private ground,all the way to Carson Hill!In your general area,between Murphys and Sheep ranch on the Sheep ranch road is much BLM ground with some claims open,abandoned etc.Lot's of hoses these days also,and people who border the BLM ground think and act as if ot's theirs..........Dave.

Google Earth the bridge. Is the light colored "strip" in the water the old bridge?? I see a strip running from the east end of the present bridge to the land across running northwest. Do you see it?  TTC

Can't get it....post the link...where you see the old road entering the water on the Calaveras side and the road you came down on the Tuolomne side,line them up and just up from that island.

Terry C, just upstream from the small island in your pic and under water,the old highway 49 bridge is still there.If we have another fairly dry winter you will see and be able to walk on it.The Norwegian mine was a good one back in it's day.Many books at the library in Angels/or main branch in San Andreas about Melones,including all the Las Calaveras quarterly mags from the historical society.There are hundreds of archaeological sites around the lake that were studied and some excavated by gov't people.A museumn was supposed to be built to hold the thousands of artifacts found,but lack of cash,gov't bull.... stopped that and and and the stuff went in a warehouse somewhere,with lot's of rare finds being never cataloged and stolen.Believe this is a National recreational area,run by the Bureau of reclamation.There is some BLM ground,however some of it is withdrawn for power sites etc,some claimed and most surrounded by private property,with no legal public access.There are park rangers,fish and game officers and sheriff deputies who patrol on boats.Everything on the north side in the general area of the Stevenot bridge is either viable mining claims or private ground,all the way to Carson Hill!In your general area,between Murphys and Sheep ranch on the Sheep ranch road is much BLM ground with some claims open,abandoned etc.Lot's of hoses these days also,and people who border the BLM ground think and act as if ot's theirs..........Dave.

Google Earth the bridge. Is the light colored "strip" in the water the old bridge?? I see a strip running from the east end of the present bridge to the land across running northwest. Do you see it?  TTC

Dave he is way off,Terry the old bridge is on the east side of the island that is showing down there now and DEEP!That that you are seeing on Google earth is an anomolyThe old road is that pavement that is going into the water to the east of the "anomoly".

Can't get it....post the link...where you see the old road entering the water on the Calaveras side and the road you came down on the Tuolomne side,line them up and just up from that island.

Thanks Kuger.. Dave,
got to the Google site, type in Google Earth, and then follow the instructions for a free Google Earth download. Google maps is something else. TTC

Just got back in town looking over post,was not trying to make trouble CAL COBRA. Was just stating,I have an old friend who is a sheriff in mariposa county.when him and I had the discussion about private property,He says there the biggest pain in the ass calls .  Because it take up there time from trying to stop real crimes.  Not saying that trespassing is not a crime just low priority. So I understand what Kuger is saying about landowners handling it themselves.  I meant no disrespect CAL COBRA, But if you want to sling crap my way Lets do it.  Also if the moderators of this site feel I'm out of line feel free to dis-continue my admission to this site. But please look at the statements prior to this post . I do not think I was out of line.

Just got back in town looking over post,was not trying to make trouble CAL COBRA. Was just stating,I have an old friend who is a sheriff in mariposa county.when him and I had the discussion about private property,He says there the biggest pain in the ass calls .  Because it take up there time from trying to stop real crimes.  Not saying that trespassing is not a crime just low priority. So I understand what Kuger is saying about landowners handling it themselves.  I meant no disrespect CAL COBRA, But if you want to sling crap my way Lets do it.  Also if the moderators of this site feel I'm out of line feel free to dis-continue my admission to this site. But please look at the statements prior to this post . I do not think I was out of line.

You weren't out of line. You are entitled to your opinion like everyone else. Some of the people here are just drama queens.

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Just got back in town looking over post,was not trying to make trouble CAL COBRA. Was just stating,I have an old friend who is a sheriff in mariposa county.when him and I had the discussion about private property,He says there the biggest pain in the ass calls .  Because it take up there time from trying to stop real crimes.  Not saying that trespassing is not a crime just low priority. So I understand what Kuger is saying about landowners handling it themselves.  I meant no disrespect CAL COBRA, But if you want to sling crap my way Lets do it.  Also if the moderators of this site feel I'm out of line feel free to dis-continue my admission to this site. But please look at the statements prior to this post . I do not think I was out of line.

No worries here, just seemed like this thread was taking a turn for the worst over a seemingly benevolent post.  I can certainly understand property owners handling trespassing issues themselves from some of the stories I've heard. 

Fair enough you will hear from me.Just as a note the land is Army Cor. of Engineers.All I can ask to the Hoards of your followers is just because its not posted(people think its funny to repeatedly tear "NO TRESPASSING',signs down)doesnt mean you can go.I am not threatening but trespassing has gotten out of control up here and landowners are fed up,and some dont call the law.

Veiled threat imo.  On one hand you are asking people to stay away because its "Federal Land" of which taxpayers money is used to purchase/upkeep etc. and then in the same breath telling everyone to stay away because if someone accidentally (or not) trespasses onto your land you may or may not call the law thereby insinuating that you will take the law into your own hands.   So,  if anyone here has shown to be guilty of exposing themselves it would be you.  And on a personal note,  if you take the law into your own hands as you have stated,  based on your post I hope you come out on the short end of your effort to hand out your version of the law. 

O.K. wise guy....go back and read what I said(if you can)I never said it was up to me whether or not you could detect federal land,I dont make the law!You as well as the poster should learn the law.I have to abide by it as well.I never said I had any control over federal land,I too wish I could do many things on that land I cannot,but I am a law abiding citizen,and found it amazing that a guy goes on to state how to "get away",with it!Do you think the Rangers are stupid?Test the waters for yourself,I do not give a damn!I also never said I would take the law into my hands,I do not own property,just warning you city folk that come up here and just think you can go wherever you please it isnt so!Can I come detect your yard?Veiled threat?I choose to not argue on here,just trying to make it known how it is.

lol,  "City folk"?   First time I've ever been called that lol.  I assume that was meant as some kind of insult.   I'm sure "City Folk" would take offense to ........... what would you be?   Red neck country Folk?  You understand that the "city folks" that you think so little of look at you as an uneducated halfwit right?   Is that why you have hatered fro "City Folk"?
Anyway,  my love of the land federal or not comes from my time in the military and my affinity for multi day backpacking treks into the Eastern Sierras and the Sespe.  I replied to your post simply because you found it necessary to be insulting when there was no need to.    As you said,  "You do not own property" so why do you find yourself here "warning all us city folk" and then asking if you could come detect my yard?   Well,  I am a land owner and when the day comes that you become one, we can have a discussion regarding private land ownership laws and detecting each others yards.......when you become a land owner that is... Until then, you keep warning them horrible City Slickers about coming up and visiting your.......eeeerrrrrrr someone elses land up north and obiding by the law otherwise they will feel the wrath of the ..... um.........Non City Folk...... 

I meant to add a comment to your post but better late than never, LOL.  Exciting area to hunt and great pictures!  Do you know where the miners lived?  Good luck and HH, Mike

hey terry!!! i bet your glad you posted geez nice pics.  willy

Looks like some great locations. I hope the work out for you!!!

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I think sometimes Mr. K gets heated because he actually takes the time to ASK permission and develop relaionships with the land owners. I know he has at least one guy who he has repeately warned because the guy trespassed on land he was working on getting permission to hunt and the guy found a bunch of stuff up there that K probably thought should have been his, because he either had or was working on getting permission.
Guess he really has a thing for this guy because he continuously trespasses on private property.
I watched him tear this guy a new one on another forum, until the guy got booted. K is still there.
Guess the guy must have been "trespassing" on the other forum!

I personally don't trespass because I don't want this to be a hobby where I have to look over my shoulder. I hate park hunting for that reason. There are already plenty of people with badges who think they are "gods gift" to law enforcement. The more of these yahoos I can avoid, the better off I am. I was used as an example in a city park a while back. The ranger was training a "lady ranger", so he had to "show her how it was done". I tried to ignore them both and stated that there were no signs stating it was "illegal" to dig. After a little while he says, "Look, I'm tryin to keep you from gettin a ticket". I left, because the spokeshole ruined my day, not because he was right.
When you are dealing with an attitude with a badge, there's no getten around it. Sure my attitude stunk, but only AFTER they started giving me grief. I figured if they are going to ruin my day, then I should make it as hard as possible for them to do what they think is their job.
I'm generally ok with cops as long as they are arresting drunks and drug addicts, but I was not doing any damage and the guy just used me as a "training exercise for his rookie".
Back to the subject:
I can totally understand when you are upstaged by an "interloper" when you feel like you should have gotten first dibs at a place because you asked permission. On the other hand, how far do you want to take it?
Pretty soon, the Mojave and other open desert will be entirely off limits because we have a couple of idiot politicians (Feinstein and Boxer) who have most likely never even set foot in the Mojave "saving it for future generations", (who will also never be able to walk on it or use it). Should we ask "permission" to use land that is our own, but the FEDS say is THEIRS?
Everybody has to determine what is right for themselves. It doesn't make it right, but if you are willing to suffer the consequences of your actions, then in the end, you have to live with what you decide.

I think sometimes Mr. K gets heated because he actually takes the time to ASK permission and develop relaionships with the land owners. I know he has at least one guy who he has repeately warned because the guy trespassed on land he was working on getting permission to hunt and the guy found a bunch of stuff up there that K probably thought should have been his, because he either had or was working on getting permission.
Guess he really has a thing for this guy because he continuously trespasses on private property.
I watched him tear this guy a new one on another forum, until the guy got booted. K is still there.
Guess the guy must have been "trespassing" on the other forum!

I personally don't trespass because I don't want this to be a hobby where I have to look over my shoulder. I hate park hunting for that reason. There are already plenty of people with badges who think they are "gods gift" to law enforcement. The more of these yahoos I can avoid, the better off I am. I was used as an example in a city park a while back. The ranger was training a "lady ranger", so he had to "show her how it was done". I tried to ignore them both and stated that there were no signs stating it was "illegal" to dig. After a little while he says, "Look, I'm tryin to keep you from gettin a ticket". I left, because the spokeshole ruined my day, not because he was right.
When you are dealing with an attitude with a badge, there's no getten around it. Sure my attitude stunk, but only AFTER they started giving me grief. I figured if they are going to ruin my day, then I should make it as hard as possible for them to do what they think is their job.
I'm generally ok with cops as long as they are arresting drunks and drug addicts, but I was not doing any damage and the guy just used me as a "training exercise for his rookie".
Back to the subject:
I can totally understand when you are upstaged by an "interloper" when you feel like you should have gotten first dibs at a place because you asked permission. On the other hand, how far do you want to take it?
Pretty soon, the Mojave and other open desert will be entirely off limits because we have a couple of idiot politicians (Feinstein and Boxer) who have most likely never even set foot in the Mojave "saving it for future generations", (who will also never be able to walk on it or use it). Should we ask "permission" to use land that is our own, but the FEDS say is THEIRS?
Everybody has to determine what is right for themselves. It doesn't make it right, but if you are willing to suffer the consequences of your actions, then in the end, you have to live with what you decide.

 Interesting.
Newt

What kind of building is that in the third picture?? There are a couple really old foundations just like this one a few miles from where I live, It's out by these giant hills, now there are big trees all around it. I know it is very old, I can't find anyone who knows anything about it. I live in southern michigan. I've been trying to find out for years what this place was.

Check with your local historical society.....First photo shows what probably was the foundation for the 20 stamp mill,built 1898 or so at the Norwegian mine.Third photo,possibly for a primary crusher.This was a very good mine but lacked the ore tonnage to justify all the stamps.Likely still rich but inacessable.Rich higrade quartz was found drilling for the bridge foundations in picture #1.

Make that the bridge in pic #2.....

[Aerial]

You can also use MapQuest to find geographical structures.

http://www.mapquest.com/

Once you have zeroed in on your location click the "Aerial" button at the top of the map and you will see the actual satellite image of your site.

This seems to work well and it doesn't gobble up computer resources like Google does. In fact you will not have to download any application at all.

I agree nice photos! These are certainly treasures too!


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