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Posted Nov 23, 2009, 10:53:33 pm

I found this piece of brass/bronze/copper in an old field.

Dimensions are:
34mm tall
18mm wide
15mm deep

There is a 5mm thick piece of wood running the legnth of the object.

I have no idea what this is or was.  Any ideas?

Thank you,
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Nov 24, 2009, 12:52:50 am

Strange and cool... the bottom of it looks broken, what does the other end look like?

I see the images of two people... man and woman?

The images make me believe it's orientation is up and down, not on it's side... possibly a finial? 

I have no idea.



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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Nov 24, 2009, 01:38:29 am

I'm thinking wooden spoon or fork or knife with the bass as some sort of decoration, kinda like fancy china wear..

then again i have no CLUE...
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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Nov 24, 2009, 05:59:29 am

It it square?  I'm assuming by your measurements it's kinda square(ish).  Do you think it's a grip for a dipping pen?  Maybe there was a wooden shaft and the nib was on the other side?


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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Nov 24, 2009, 04:27:08 pm

It is a very strange object.  I forgot to weigh it, and Ill do so here.  It weighs in at 47 grams, so it seems to be too heavy to have been a piece of silverware.  I also see the images of two people which is why I focused the picures on them.  I can take additional photos if you like, just let me know what you want to see.

Thank you again for your input,
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Nov 25, 2009, 10:21:46 am

I sure looks like a piece of a broken, decorated spoon handle--but not being made of pewter I don't know...

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Is the piece Hollow?  (I take it that you mean that there is a wooden dowel inside of it?)  Can I see a photo of just one of the ends of it?  Does it appear to be broken on both ends or just one?

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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Nov 25, 2009, 04:58:03 pm

Here are some photos of different angles.  The wooden dowel piece runs the legnth more or less.  The hole appears to be pretty uniform through the middle of the object.  Im still clueless - what could it be?
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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Nov 25, 2009, 08:07:42 pm

My WAG is - the runner from a parasol.

An example here
http://www.victoriana.com/archive/parasol.html

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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Nov 26, 2009, 07:53:00 am

Still waters, is the top solid (no opening)??

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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Nov 27, 2009, 08:00:58 am

Here are some photos of different angles.  The wooden dowel piece runs the legnth more or less.  The hole appears to be pretty uniform through the middle of the object.  Im still clueless - what could it be?
Still Waters


please....how do you put those pictures together.
i have tried and tried in 'paint'
some one helped me with resize and that was most appreciated.
now if i can take one more step....

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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Nov 27, 2009, 08:54:18 am

i going to guess a ferrule for a magnifying glass or carving set                 dontknow
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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Nov 27, 2009, 06:04:39 pm

Still waters, is the top solid (no opening)??

The hole runs the legnth of the object.  I can slide the dowel in or out of both ends.  I tried to get a photo showing the entire hole but it did not show up well.


Here are some photos of different angles.  The wooden dowel piece runs the legnth more or less.  The hole appears to be pretty uniform through the middle of the object.  Im still clueless - what could it be?
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please....how do you put those pictures together.
i have tried and tried in 'paint'
some one helped me with resize and that was most appreciated.
now if i can take one more step....



I actually did make that collage with paint.  All you need is a lot of windows open at once and a bit of patience.  Open a window with paint first.  You will want to make the wite area you work with fairly large so you can paste pictures into it.  Then open a second window with paint of the first picture you want to copy in.  Use the area select option, make the box around what you want to copy, and then select the copy option from the edit menu.  Then go to the first window and paste the picture in.  Then repeat with more photos and move them around to make your collage.  Hope this helps.


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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Nov 27, 2009, 06:35:52 pm

Still waters, is the top solid (no opening)??

The hole runs the legnth of the object.  I can slide the dowel in or out of both ends.  I tried to get a photo showing the entire hole but it did not show up well.



So the parasol is a possibility ?

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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Nov 27, 2009, 09:16:57 pm

Thank You so much Still Waters! Great instructions. When I copied to the new paint window it superimposed over the previous one. Wow, I thought my problems were back. But I was able to move it around the page. Resizing first was the balm, and making a collage is possible. I put my first effort as the desktop. Man I hope to get a brownie point for that....

So anyway this had been bugging me for so long. Now I've progressed another step!!!!     hello2

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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Nov 27, 2009, 09:46:04 pm

Still waters, is the top solid (no opening)??

The hole runs the legnth of the object.  I can slide the dowel in or out of both ends.  I tried to get a photo showing the entire hole but it did not show up well.



So the parasol is a possibility ?

Mike






I am not really sure how this would fit into a parasol.  Also, wouldnt this be a bit too masculine for such an object?


Thank You so much Still Waters! Great instructions. When I copied to the new paint window it superimposed over the previous one. Wow, I thought my problems were back. But I was able to move it around the page. Resizing first was the balm, and making a collage is possible. I put my first effort as the desktop. Man I hope to get a brownie point for that....

So anyway this had been bugging me for so long. Now I've progressed another step!!!!     hello2

Thanks, Really.

Glad it helped.  Noone knows everything, but we all know something.


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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Nov 27, 2009, 10:01:01 pm

ferrule from an antique fork?
picture shows pearl but wood would be possible.
i really don't think this is it! just a wag.
hey, what is a 'tag'.

oh, yes 'still waters' i can admit the brain is still rattling---it ain't full!
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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Dec 05, 2009, 02:38:38 pm

Bumping this one up. Any ideas?
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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Dec 06, 2009, 12:08:22 pm

I'm thinking wooden spoon or fork or knife with the bass as some sort of decoration, kinda like fancy china wear..

then again i have no CLUE...

sorry i guessed utensil after pull-tab-mike

the item looks really old. the center hole is off-center maybe hand made. maybe predate silverware...ha ha!
i mean because of the wood dowel thingy. seems like if it were metal on one end the tang or 'wood' piece would be metal.
any chance a ferule letter opener, magnifying glass handle or salad set, something else wood on both ends.

or just some decorative piece.
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Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Dec 06, 2009, 03:50:20 pm

Those are definatly good possabilities Intimer.  Never seen anything like those in the photo.  I agree this looks old, very early, but there is just nothing to compare it to.  Frustrating, very frustrating.
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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Dec 07, 2009, 06:08:40 am

I am going to go out on a limb and make a guess that it is an old pointer of some sort.  Possibly used by a professor, or a clergyman.

One possibility is a Torah pointer, used to read from ancient scrolls.  .  These tend to be handed down for many generations, and some date back to the Romans.

Just a guess...

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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Dec 07, 2009, 07:01:05 am

This item looks like African art to me.  Warriors with spear and shield...

If the hole goes all the way through, it could have been part of anything.

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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Dec 07, 2009, 09:16:18 pm

candle holder?

Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Dec 07, 2009, 11:20:18 pm

Maybe a letter opener handle?
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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 03:34:42 pm

Still waters, is that compacted mud that was around the dowel, or is that solid brass all the way to the dowel?

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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 09:06:58 pm

I cleaned off all the mud and dirt prior to taking the photographs.  The dowel was in there very tight and I had a hard time getting it out initially.
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