German pioneer signs almanac in WW2

Dear friends,
 is there anyone with knowledge of german pioneer signs from WW2 used when various crates of various content were burried by german soldiers? For instance carvings on the trees?I know there is a source of them  but do not know where to look..Near my house is a place in the wood where tens of crates were hidden by W SS soldiers .  Living witness showed me a place where the soldiers dissapeared him among the trees  while he looked at them at the very end of WW2.I search for these crates on the area  about 1 KM squared.I have known germans marked their hiding places by means of oldgerman runes,on internet I saw one of them carved on the tree.After two years of serching i found a beech with this german sign on the area considered.Moreover  near this beech is quite rectangulal large  manmade depression .I do not have any metal detector,it woud be useless anyway as the things were burried about 5 metres deep according to some infos.
 So my main question is : Is there  any expert on these signs? What they tell us? Do they work solitary or  in connection with something like a map for instance?
I will be very pleased if some expert on this special topic could help.
 Some shots of not very striking depresion from different angles enclosed plus a signs .
 Thank you very much!
 Petr

Petr,
Welcome ,
Don't give up on the idea of a metal detector.
There are two box detectors that will detect these things for you.
you might also want to do some research on a machine called a GPR.
"Ground Penatrating Radar".
This will also help.

Thom

Thom,
 thanks for your reply.I do know GPR and some better pulse detectors,but they are quite expensive and i reckon one must be pretty experienced user as for GPR using.Anyway i will check this depression sooner or later.
 Still waiting for those branch runes meaning
 Petr.

 petr, i say welcome also. and it looks like you have more carvings there too. best advice i can give is try to locate oldest veterans from ww2 and ask questions. you might get lucky there. if that don't work try the library and talk to the librarian first. those folks hear it from all sides i'm sure or maybe they can put you on the right book to make your search much shorter.--------- good luck whichever way you go------ tenclaw==========

10 claw,
 thank you for your advice.unfortunately these signs are ment as secret ones by german army. there is none published commercial reading regarding this topic.I spoke to many old vets dealing with explosives etc. they did not know anything about them,never saw them.I know a man who knows something about them but he is nearly a professional treasure hunter not wanting to say anything about this topic.
  Cheers
 Petr

PETR!!  TAKE A LOT OF PICS OF THE STUMP THERE,, IN SIDE AND OUT,, I HAVE A FEELING THERE IS MUCH INFORMATION THERE!!!  GOODLUCK!  td

     Petr, Likely the crates have rotted away and left the depression. To investigate there you might use a probe and long handled post hole diggers
You might really be onto something. Good luck. and don't give away the site by
being seen digging there.

Petr, If I were in your place I'd haul up some equipment and start digging in the depression for, like Monk says, maybe the crates have rotted away hence the subsidence. I think you're right on target.

im no expert, but i would think beech tree carvings are trail markers or boundry markers. the depression could also be a sinkhole or cellar hole. i would prefer to see stones with carvings on them. those would make me think you might be near a cache . keep looking . it is interesting seeing carvings and a treasure tale combined.

i am also looking for german cache here in massachusetts, hessian / british artifacts from 1777 american revolutionary war. possibly using same system of mapping symbols.

Reacting to some of your answers:this is not a treasure tale.The witness I know whole my live saw the men rushing and carrying the boxes .Among them the german soldiers with dogs.He saw them returning with empty hands too.
 I do not believe that depression is a cellar as this place is on the spot where i cant imagine any house-too wild and difficult terrain and is it quite far in the wood. As for land borderline signs this is not the case.There are used various guard stones with markings or the ditches here in CZ. Enclosed is another very nice carving on the tree made by Waffen SS pioniere schule on the different hot place where hundreds of boxes are ment to be hidden.This picture was published by one very experienced treasure hunter.These so calles branch runes exist in various types telling us something different-but what?
 All the time I am asking myself: if they made so big hole for tens of crates -where did they put so enormous amount of soil not to attract an atention..German soldiers were damn good in camouflaging of such places.
 Yesterday I was on this spot again/2 miles fom my house/ and noticed another carving in one view line from the tree with the rune .These two trees are not far from each other.Maybe it can be another sign for the place setting/shot enclosed/.
 As for rock carving I didnot find anything,I never heard german soldiers used this method,they used a paint and even a fluorescent paint too. There are the infos and some proofs found that Germans used so called manmade stone which was special chemical mortar like which was hardened by flamethrower and looked like a real stone..

petr, as you might already know-- take plenty pictures-- too many might be enough- if you have a digital camera . download to computer then download to your sandisk cruzer because trees die and computers crash. you have the place outlined, go ahead and dig to see whats there.-=== tenclaw===

What about this marking? Can you see any manmade signs? The line of carved dots? This another beech is very close to one with the rune....

petr not sure of the tree markings. but u should make a map
to go with, all your pics, sorry i couldnt be of more help
an example map
HH

 Thanks for your reply.These tree markings /not sure if those in the last picture i sent/ are confirmed by one of Czech best nazi treasure hunters to be authentic.These signs were used mainly by W SS ,Heer and Werwolfs here in Czech Rep. at the very end of war to identify a places with hidden material.And they were even changed.Some infos are taken from archives of Interior ministry including these sings and some more of them for example the diamond with a box inside, a triangle and various variants of branch runes shown before.
 I suspect these tree signs are part of a special map.Another strange thing is an unusual shape of the tree near signs / a shot enclosed/.Such shape of this tree is not in the wide are around.For me it is enough strange features on one small place in the area where german soldiers are supposed to hide tens of the crates..
  I sketch a plan next time i visit this place.
 It could be interesting to read this article:http://www.helmutgaensel.com/aindex.htm
 There is a rumour: if all  boxes  hidden by nazis were discovered here, Czech Rep. would be the richiest nation in Europe.
 Good night
 Petr

 

 

Mates,
 a special/maybe silly/ question for an expert: is there any way to  find out if the rock was blown up in the past/ 1945/,according to distance and size of the stones with respect to slope degree etc...to find out some unnatural characteristics of the stones positions..
 thanks

Mates,
 a special/maybe silly/ question for an expert: is there any way to  find out if the rock was blown up in the past/ 1945/,according to distance and size of the stones with respect to slope degree etc...to find out some unnatural characteristics of the stones positions..
 thanks

 ive seen mountains blown up to put our highways through,and fifty some yrs later
you could tell they had been blown up, you can see the marks, from the explosion
in the exposed rocks,im thinking you could tell, especially if it was a big rock,and rocks
but then after 70yrs of weathering, i guess it could be iffy
im sure there would be shrapnel close by too
check this vid out and the pic link, close as i could find for blown up rocks

vid
http://video.popularmechanics.com/services/player/bcpid1659866232?bctid=1662474980

pics
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/how_to/4274976.html?page=2

shots from vid

Mates,
 a special/maybe silly/ question for an expert: is there any way to  find out if the rock was blown up in the past/ 1945/,according to distance and size of the stones with respect to slope degree etc...to find out some unnatural characteristics of the stones positions..
 thanks

 ive seen mountains blown up to put our highways through,and fifty some yrs later
you could tell they had been blown up, you can see the marks, from the explosion
in the exposed rocks,im thinking you could tell, especially if it was a big rock,and rocks
but then after 70yrs of weathering, i guess it could be iffy
im sure there would be shrapnel close by too
check this vid out and the pic link, close as i could find for blown up rocks

vid
http://video.popularmechanics.com/services/player/bcpid1659866232?bctid=1662474980

pics
http://www.popularmechanics.com/home_journal/how_to/4274976.html?page=2

shots from vid

Thank you very much for your reply friend.Very interesting video.Now everything is under snow,need to wait..

Hello!

Here is some interesting link to the nazi treasure hunting in czech:


http://home.swipnet.se/Praha/vanner/Jarda/nazi4.htm


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