First Roman Coin UPDATE New Discovery

UPDATE;...Spent one man hour and two dog hours going over and around the area I found the Roman coin two days ago. The chestnut leaves are 4 inches thick, so I'm not getting the depth I would like, but still came up with something interesting only five paces uphill from the Roman coin hole. I have added two more pictures below of the find.

It is bronze, and a rim piece of some sort of vessel or vase. It looks to be,  I'm guessing/hoping/praying it also is Roman, as that would lend some good hope to find the "unmentionable" first on anybody's list. It came out of the ground pretty much as you see it, with no crud, decay, or whatever, with a light green patina on the inside side.

Anybody here can identify it?

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Frustrated, as Wifey took the car,  I decided to tweek the Tesoro for some deeper hits on my own land that I have done relentlessly since August.  Surprisingly,  I got a few whatsits, a couple of old coins, and then a crusty unreadable coin, on land I've been over a couple of times.

Dropped the crusty coin into some olive oil, waited, did some thumbnail rubbing, and I think, I hope, I got my oldest coin so far, a Roman. (My oldest to date is a silver circa 1600.) The crusty was only 5" down in undisturbed land.

The first two pics are the coin out of the ground after a light rinse.
The rest of the pics are "afters" in different angles. The back has not been cleaned , but it looks like a man standing with a staff (2nd to last pic).

Not being able to get an ID from the internet, Romans being an endless-never-ending subject, I was hoping someone could help me date and identify this find.

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

My WAG: Germanicus, who died in AD 19. I seem to read: AVG GE.... as in Augustus Germanicus.
Don....

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Thanks Kane, I'm whooping and hollering on this end with your helpful great news! I just dropped 1500 years off my oldest coin find!!!

I've spent a few months looking for a single, any condition, Roman coin here IN Italy, as I watched those Brits hoover them up day after day without even a care...;)

Thanks,
Goldnow

dat is a for sure roman . now to hunt down which one -- try "roman forum" on line  --its great to help id these buggers

avg --is used in their coinage   means  the title "augustus" then their name -- think macs got it

My WAG: Germanicus, who died in AD 19. I seem to read: AVG GE.... as in Augustus Germanicus.
Don....

Don, This is getting better all the time.

Now Augustus is a name I recognize.

Thanks,
Goldnow

[Kane]

Looks like Kane called it correctly.......

Augustus, in this context, is not the name of a particular person, but the title bestowed on one who is the emperor.

yep --augustus --as in title --- AVG   

must say the coin looks to be a match to kanes id however.

"GERM" can also be part of the title to other emperors, designating they were defeaters of the Germans.
Don.....

yes but look at the location of the marking and overall profile of the head

[Kane]

Looks like Kane called it correctly.......

The profile is a bit different on mine, as well as I see crown points radiating from his head on mine.

Should I clean further? How?, or leave it as is?

ah crown points later time frame !! the early ones use laurel wreaths

leave as is !!
congrats on an awesomely old coin !!

its your coin but over cleaning will screw up the patina

I'll jut touch up the reverse to equal the same patina as the obverse, using the olive oil and thumbnail method as I did on the front.

Anyway , thanks you guys. You people really make this hobby special with all your support. I'd be lost without Treasurenet,.... sometimes.

I know many have gold, etc. on the top of their wish-list, as I do, of course, but you have no idea how this coin, after so long looking for one, gives me the same thrill.

 

I think what you have there is a coin of Nero, AE Dupondius......54-68AD Radiate bust right, can't make out much of the legend

SS

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

[goldnow]

I think what you have there is a coin of Nero, AE Dupondius......54-68AD Radiate bust right, can't make out much of the legend

SS

Yeah, I can see the faint points of the crown, however the orientation of the letters don't match this coin. Run a line from the point of the chin through the ear hole and it bisects the A and V of AVG on goldnow's coin. Doing the same on the coin above puts that same line between the S and A of CAESAR. Additionally, the chin protrudes more and there's no 'low forehead' top knot on goldnow's. But we're gettin' there............     

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas.  Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas.  Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

I have deliberately let Cru'Dad specialise in these.  He had the keen interest, so he has over 6 good books on the subject.  I took more of an interest in British Medieval Hammered.  So as a team we have both bases covered.  Recently I have been buying the 10 Volume series of Roman Imperial Coinage, some have more than 1 part, so its a 14 book set.  These books are over 1.5inches thick, 1 being 2.5inches, they are not cheap as well!  Nearly got them all & will present Cru'dad the set for Xmas.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your right, its very complicated.  Often a few letters different makes it a different emporer.  The reverse types do vary somewhat over time but many are repeated for different Emporers.  Its a dangerous road to go down if your trying to match potraits, as many are similar, but also many Emporers vary depending on which mint it came from.  The Obverse Legend (writing) is the only full proof method of IDing the Emporer.  Then the size, weight & metal type can determine the denomination.  Still there is far more to explain, but you get the idea

Roman coins rock!! I wish I was still in Europe. The history there is amazing!!You never know what is going to come out of the ground. Big congrats .I remember the thrill fondly. 

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas.  Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

I have deliberately let Cru'Dad specialise in these.  He had the keen interest, so he has over 6 good books on the subject.  I took more of an interest in British Medieval Hammered.  So as a team we have both bases covered.  Recently I have been buying the 10 Volume series of Roman Imperial Coinage, some have more than 1 part, so its a 14 book set.  These books are over 1.5inches think, 1 being 2.5inches, they are not cheap as well!  Nearly got them all & will present Cru'dad the set for Xmas.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your right, its very complicated.  Often a few letters different makes it a different emporer.  The reverse types do vary somewhat over time but many are repeated for different Emporers.  Its a dangerous road to go down if your trying to match potraits, as many are similar, but also many Emporers vary depending on which mint it came from.  The Obverse Legend (writing) is the only full proof method of IDing the Emporer.  Then the size, weight & metal type can determine the denomination.  Still there is far more to example, but you get the idea

You mean if I want to study Roman coins properly,  I better build some more shelves and get my Visa card ready.

roman coins are complex being it lasted such a long time with so many differant emperors and mints its staggering -- and often their worn a good bit as well -- it can be fun "finding the match" but it can be a pain as well. lol -- ivan

Nice find! Looks like a bronze Domitian Dupondius,that would be 81-98 AD,way to go my man! kane 23

Agreed, I can see the faint DOMIT

http://time-lines.co.uk/domitian-moneta-as-011323-18185-0.html
Might be the one above, if not it is a Domitian Dupondus or AS

Cru, I knew the Roman coins were a deep long subject, so avoided studying them until I had some in hand. This first one supports my "fear". They sure had very little imagination in style changes over their centuries, and yet had more minute variations than I would have thought. As well as having the same Caesar having many different artist renditions of their faces.


When I watched your many posts of Roman coin finds, I was always at a lost to grasp the subject. Though, I think I will enjoy delving deeper into the Romans as they hopefully appear for me.

I'm heading up higher on my mountain in a few minutes to scout some new areas.  Tough walk through hard scrub and prickly bushes. The last time I was there I found a live WWII mortar right away, so haven't returned since. The military blew it up last week, finally, after around 6 weeks. They said it was a "healthy bomb".

Thanks, everyone, for your input,
Goldnow

I have deliberately let Cru'Dad specialise in these.  He had the keen interest, so he has over 6 good books on the subject.  I took more of an interest in British Medieval Hammered.  So as a team we have both bases covered.  Recently I have been buying the 10 Volume series of Roman Imperial Coinage, some have more than 1 part, so its a 14 book set.  These books are over 1.5inches think, 1 being 2.5inches, they are not cheap as well!  Nearly got them all & will present Cru'dad the set for Xmas.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that your right, its very complicated.  Often a few letters different makes it a different emporer.  The reverse types do vary somewhat over time but many are repeated for different Emporers.  Its a dangerous road to go down if your trying to match potraits, as many are similar, but also many Emporers vary depending on which mint it came from.  The Obverse Legend (writing) is the only full proof method of IDing the Emporer.  Then the size, weight & metal type can determine the denomination.  Still there is far more to example, but you get the idea

You mean if I want to study Roman coins properly,  I better build some more shelves and get my Visa card ready.

Exactly right, Cru'dad now has a new book shelf

I agree with the others...don't over clean it. The crud on it has taken the best part of 2k years to build up, identify it by all means...then stop. The crud is part of its history, leave a bit of crud & keep an element of mystery.
Enjoy your find, and good luck for future detecting.
hodge.

I agree with the others...don't over clean it. The crud on it has taken the best part of 2k years to build up, identify it by all means...then stop. The crud is part of its history, leave a bit of crud & keep an element of mystery.
Enjoy your find, and good luck for future detecting.
hodge.

Thanks for the advice. This is my first bronze coin I've tried to clean and its coming out well, as I thumb scratch the dry crud off slowly, leaving a shiny surface and excellent patina. I'm leaving the crud along the edges of the figures and legends, of course , so the design is more defined, as you suggest.

I've tried to clean coppers, but they came out like crap and were even more unidentifiable than when I started. Never again.

I'll update this post with a final cleaned pic of the Roman.

Now that I know Romans are on my land and around, I want a Rotor-tiller for Christmas, guys.