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Posted Nov 28, 2009, 06:44:23 pm

k, laughing9, so last night im with some family memembers just relaxing and whe i go to  sleep i have a dream of me finding some exotic cerimonial pieces, very finley worked. so when i wake up i mess around online, and decide shoot, i might as well go out. so i pick a spot i been eyeballin 4 some time now, and for about 2 hours nothing, some chips is all. it gets dark here early so im bummed out, beeen having a rough few months, so i start heading back . and low and behold just laying there, this amazing piece..... i was like OMG, lol, yessssssssssssssssss. my camera is broke so i used a friends , these are the best pics i could come up with for now. also, i have never in my life picked up such a nice perfected piece. the base is lightly ground, has such delicate but perfect shoulders, the serrations are nice and get micro towards the needle tip,seems to have been resharpened,  it has collateral flaking , median ridged, "looks like a diamond when looking straight down it" exactly 3 1/2 inchs long.   all in all its awwwwwwwww Smiley
Im going with Firstview on this one, maybe a Eden, both pretty rare in this area, my BEST PIECE PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOP WHOOP

Some history on this point : being Eden/Firstview, it comes from the Scottsbluff cluster=Scottsbluff, Cody,Eden,Firstview. These paleoindian people would have probaly been following big game, such as extinct bison. Some of the best information has come from bison kill sites where these tools were recovered. This particular point has all of the characteristics of a Eden/Firstview. Probaly was used as a spear or flung from a atlatl http://www.onagocag.com/atlatl.html. My personal opinion this projectile would have suporior penetrating power, size, weight thickness, it would be the perfect tool for bringing down big game. Here is a little writing on the Eden published by Noel d.  Justice that i found very accurate and informative to this projectile.
" The Eden points  some of the most controlled and best executed flitnapping of all paleoindian projectile point types. All edges are closely aligned and near perfect symmetry is observed on every part of the typical Eden point. Wormington's  description noted resemblance to Scottsbluff but focused on traits such as a narrower blade width relative to length, parallel pressure flaking , smaller shoulders, pronounced median ridge, and a diamond shaped cross section. The shoulder/haft juncture may be marked only by the termination of laterial grinding and a very slight edge in contour. The fine pressure flaking  and diamond-shaped cross section are the most prominate traits that seperate Eden from Scottsbluff. The haft element was produces with fine pressure retouch and the basal edge flaking often produces a triangular flaking pattern emanating from the basal margins to the midline. ( see in photos) .
Now why the base is clipped how it is i have no idea, but i still believe it was intentional.

One more thing, a good friend called me and told me this morning, you did not find that point , it found you.... Being at my lowest point in my life , and thinking there is no way out or back up, God/Someone knows my love of archaeology and i was brought to it. This piece represents a moment in my life when i thought i would never get up, after finding this, i know there are good things out there and hope is still possible. In all honesty i believe this is going to be a turning point for the better in my life:) I was supposed to start school for archi this semester, but some very dramatic changes in my life has forced me to put school on hold. I read and study as much as i can on my free time of the subject, its absolutly amazing.

If anyone has any other info they would like to cover on the point type/history, feel free to fill me/us in. Thanks
Chong
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Reply To This Topic #1 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 06:45:34 pm

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Reply To This Topic #2 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 06:50:51 pm

Outstanding.
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Reply To This Topic #3 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 06:55:20 pm

!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Reply To This Topic #4 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 06:58:56 pm

Beautiful looking piece!

Definately Banner worthy.
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Reply To This Topic #5 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 07:14:22 pm

awsome find can u post picks of some of the other stuff u found their . icon_thumright
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Reply To This Topic #6 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 07:19:20 pm


Beautiful Eden/Firstview!   thumbsup

I have never seen one with the fine serrations. And yes, its a banner specimen.

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Reply To This Topic #7 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 07:23:58 pm

thanks all!!! and sorry shop dog, thats all i found today

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Reply To This Topic #8 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 07:36:03 pm

Very, very nice point chong. Is the base made like that or does it have a little damage? Either way it's a spectacular piece and gets my vote for the banner.

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Reply To This Topic #9 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 07:57:10 pm

Burin flaking is surprisingly common on points of that era. From the symmetry of it, intentional.
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Reply To This Topic #10 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 08:01:12 pm

 :read2:wow,that is perfect :hello:jamey
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Reply To This Topic #11 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 08:25:06 pm

What a fantastic piece, one of the best finds I've seen in a while.  Great Firstview, congrats!

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Reply To This Topic #12 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 08:28:34 pm

wow .........perfect piece ,it doesnt look chipped on the bottom beacuase both sides are tapperd ....great find man .banner worthy
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Reply To This Topic #13 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 08:31:18 pm

Awesome Find!!!

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Reply To This Topic #14 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 08:38:48 pm

Patinated obsidian ?
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Reply To This Topic #15 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 09:03:14 pm

I'm surprised at the lack of patina and mineralization for a 10,000 year old piece??? great find.

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Reply To This Topic #16 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 09:34:34 pm

lol, trust me its real.......unless some salter has nothing better to do than put 1 piece in a very unique place.... its the material that it resided in, preserves it perfectly, in all honesty i have never really found a pice with much patina on it, very few

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Reply To This Topic #17 Posted Nov 28, 2009, 11:11:21 pm

sorry 4 all the posts, but uni, i think it might be obs, i dunno im not a geo guy, ill find out 4 sure and let u know, the edeges are translucent in light, so possibly. all obs i have ever seen is always shiny, no matter what


Reply To This Topic #18 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 04:52:36 am

Beautiful piece & congratulaions on making the banner, it's truely worthy!
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Reply To This Topic #19 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 04:59:15 am

I totally understand how finding points like that could get addictive...

I noticed that no-one really utilizes all the signature space provided, so I figured to be REALLY original I would make up the longest signature that I could and probably just leave it as one big run on sentence because all that punctuation just takes up way too much space-HH.
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Reply To This Topic #20 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 05:00:25 am

looks like sonora flint,really nice chong.  jamey
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Reply To This Topic #21 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 05:31:10 am

That's breathtaking! icon_thumleft Congrats on the banner, it deserves it. Wow, that's just perfect! I haVE TO LOOK AGAIN.

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Reply To This Topic #22 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 05:52:56 am

You have found magic. Just magnificent...Congrats.
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Reply To This Topic #23 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 06:03:01 am

It's too cold to do much hunting here unless it's for a whitetail.
Outstanding piece, congrats on the banner!
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Reply To This Topic #24 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 06:44:58 am

very nice piece!
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Reply To This Topic #25 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 06:49:24 am

Stellar find!  Congrats on the find and the banner!  Many of my best finds were made at the point of giving up and walking back to the car!  Well done!

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Reply To This Topic #26 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 07:49:01 am

That is a super find, perhaps the nicest piece of flint ever posted on this board.  Interesting how the base corners are clipped.  Is there grinding on the base or sides?  Probably Edwards Plateau Flint? 
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Reply To This Topic #27 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 09:36:22 am

Thats about the sweetest point i have seen. Man when things look bleek look down and something will be found. Banner fo shur!!
Take care and I hope more good things for you.   JYD...   thumbsup thumbsup thumbsup
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Reply To This Topic #28 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 09:46:04 am

Thanks for the banner guys Smiley the corners, in all honestly seem clipped on purpose, when holding you can see they were both hit from the same side and not just random. there is grinding on the base all the way up to the tiny shoulders, and i dunno if you can tell from the pictures, but  the base has been thinned. the material im still not sure of, when held to light the edges are translucent and you can see tiny specks inside , ill try to get some more detailed pictures up soon as possible, the pics last night were last min and rushed, i apologise 4 that.

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Reply To This Topic #29 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 09:54:22 am

GREAT FIND CHONG !!!!!!! I just got home , Sorry i didn't get a chance to hunt with you. " cutting trees and shopping ". That is a great artifact , Remember what we talked about , That point found you !! Good things happen to good people !! I can't wait to see it in person. It made your year finding it, and it made my day just knowing you have found a very nice artifact !!  GREAT JOB !!!!     Bill

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Reply To This Topic #30 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 10:27:03 am

Outstanding piece..  Shocked Fantastic........  hello2

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Reply To This Topic #31 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 10:33:31 am

absolutely awesome !!! thumbsup
congrats on the banner  !!

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Reply To This Topic #32 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 12:23:08 pm

Killer find Congrats...
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Reply To This Topic #33 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 01:00:11 pm

Killer find Congrats...
awsome find there y friend..
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Reply To This Topic #34 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 01:48:43 pm

congrats to you.
that is a killer piece! thumbsup
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Reply To This Topic #35 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 01:53:06 pm

Congrats,,  Very Very nice! headbang

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Reply To This Topic #36 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 02:58:44 pm

Congrats on the banner Chong! 
What a magnificent piece!
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Reply To This Topic #37 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 04:45:47 pm

Really great find! I don't get out much anymore but finds like that inspire me.
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Reply To This Topic #38 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 05:30:24 pm


 Chong II , Great find and a well deserved banner ,  icon_thumright  !! But now that your “Treasure” is up on the  Banner , people from many other countries and/or interest will be reading about it . Many will see and appreciate this artifact just on it’s beautiful form , and superb flaking , obviously made by a master of his craft ! But many won’t have the knowledge of how it was used , when it was used , etc. ..
      It has been suggested to other banner recipient’s coming from the A.I.A. forum to add a little “background”/ history to go along with there Native American Artifact . As Native American Artifact collecting is but a narrow band in the full spectrum of thing’s . And I believe this would be good practice for most other artifact’s found on the banner .

    Sooo , just think’n maybe you could add a bit “Background” here for us ,..,.Anyway GREAT find there ,....Blindpig
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Reply To This Topic #39 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 08:08:34 pm

Hey
 I just saw you on the Banner ! Congratulations Chong. Way to go. That is a great find. Its perfect.
You won the lucky dog that day. So how rare is this item? Tell us more  hello
 Congratulations again
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Reply To This Topic #40 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 09:17:40 pm

Was that dug or is it a land find? If you dug that, you got a good spot! The condition is flawless.
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Reply To This Topic #41 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 09:26:21 pm

A work of Art   

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Reply To This Topic #42 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 09:45:06 pm

Blindpig, good idea, i put some good info up on my first posting, thanks tn, i hear more people find Folsoms in the area than these, so pretty rare i shall figure. and newt, it was a surface find.

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Reply To This Topic #43 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 09:47:01 pm

WOW!  That is beautiful!  Congratulations!  hello2
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Reply To This Topic #44 Posted Nov 29, 2009, 10:21:26 pm

Chong
Thanks for the lesson.Fits that puppy to a Tee. Glad it came to you and lifted you up when you needed it. Somebody was smilin down on you for sure. Now if I could just find those lost gold bars !!!!  icon_sunny
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Reply To This Topic #45 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 01:09:32 am

What a Beauty  notworthy Congrats


Reply To This Topic #46 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 07:34:49 am

Sweet, Congrats on the Banner.  John
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Reply To This Topic #47 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 08:21:39 am

That's an incredible piece! WOW!
I agree with your feeling that this find came at the right time after a long rocky road. I'm sure that when you found this, all of your problems fade away in that moment and you are left holding an amazing tool that represents a time when all there was to life was hunting, gathering, and finding shelter. The more complicated this world gets, the more I drift off back in time, wishing that life was more simpler.
What a nicely worked piece.
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Reply To This Topic #48 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 09:54:49 am

That is one extremely nice find.  Looks pretty rare.
WTG!!!
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Reply To This Topic #49 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 10:42:48 am

Wow!  That is the best piece I have seen found in quite a while.  Congrats!!
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Reply To This Topic #50 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 11:09:39 am

KILLER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!congrats chong on a spectacular find notworthy
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Reply To This Topic #51 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 02:37:57 pm

Wow!!!! Brother.... you have the find of a lifetime and it came at the right time according to you. There are no accidents my friend. Things happen for a reason and you are right to see this as a turning point. Hold on...... things are looking up!!!! Always lean forward Smiley

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Reply To This Topic #52 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 02:38:36 pm

What a beautiful find !!  hello2

Congratulations !  notworthy

A question to the age: Would about 2500 - 2000 BC be right ?
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Reply To This Topic #53 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 03:12:33 pm

Chong that is a fantastic Firstview!!! Congrats on a fantastic find!! icon_thumleft I am curious if a later culture found it and altered it? The base clipping is unlike any Firstview I have ever seen. The serrations on top also? It looks like it was done and never used. A very curious piece you have there. Many mysteries to this Cody Complex piece. You should definitely have it looked at for study purposes and documentation. As I said I have never seen a Firstview like that. No doubt a Firstview just altered unlike any other. Congrats man, I would be at that spot every day searching it out now...........Check out these links, at that size and if that is how it was made it is easily a $3000 to $5000 point. I would call that a Banner day if there ever was one!!! http://www.projectilepoints.net/Pages/Searches/Points/Firstview.html

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Post your next find as you will undoubtedly find another from that area!!!............GTP
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Reply To This Topic #54 Posted Nov 30, 2009, 03:43:24 pm

What a beautiful find !!  hello2

Congratulations !  notworthy

A question to the age: Would about 2500 - 2000 BC be right ?

Age is early archaic and dates from 7500bc to 8500bc. It was masterfully crafted by the Cody Complex Culture. A highly desirable piece for any collector!!! A great find!.......Hope this helps.............GTP....
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Reply To This Topic #55 Posted Dec 01, 2009, 07:09:57 am

Very nice point and congratz on the banner!

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Reply To This Topic #56 Posted Dec 01, 2009, 07:44:04 am

Good Lord what a beauty!! I have never seen one quite like that one, looks like you got yourself a museum grade piece for sure, WOW!

Big congratulations!   icon_thumleft
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Reply To This Topic #57 Posted Dec 06, 2009, 01:20:01 pm

Very, very nice. icon_thumright icon_thumright hello2

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Reply To This Topic #58 Posted Dec 06, 2009, 03:00:55 pm

Fantastic find.  It would have made my year also.
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Reply To This Topic #59 Posted Dec 06, 2009, 07:25:19 pm

Whooo Hooo!!!

     Wow Chong!! Man what a find. A well deserved banner. That piece is made so nice.That indian sure could knap.
 
       A real masterpiece!!

                       Congrats to you!!


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Reply To This Topic #60 Posted Dec 08, 2009, 12:04:13 pm

WOW!!!  Great find Chong.

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Reply To This Topic #61 Posted Dec 08, 2009, 05:57:48 pm

That's one prettiest points I've ever seen. Just perfect in every way. Big congrats on the banner and the find. notworthy
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Reply To This Topic #62 Posted Dec 08, 2009, 09:16:02 pm

Thank you everyone!!! Here are some decent side shots from the other day before i sent it off, out of my hands now Sad I love that ridge and the flaking.... Sorry 4 the pics, its a friends camera.
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Reply To This Topic #63 Posted Dec 08, 2009, 09:26:52 pm

 :DI  just noticed in the upper pics, I have my hand holding under hand.

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Reply To This Topic #64 Posted Dec 10, 2009, 05:43:37 am

 Looks like Dacite to me. Ya reckon? Comes from "Oregon". Stan

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Reply To This Topic #65 Posted Dec 10, 2009, 06:17:25 am

Can't say anything more than what has already been said, frickin wickedness Shocked

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Reply To This Topic #66 Posted Dec 10, 2009, 07:20:18 am

   Dacite, flake over ground, I make them every day!  Stan

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Reply To This Topic #67 Posted Dec 11, 2009, 08:48:30 pm

   Dacite, flake over ground, I make them every day!  Stan

A knapper could never replicate that flaking, the sym :read2:etry nor the correctness for a type. You guys can get get close though.  I am not sure I should give you kudos.  "Dia negro" as it's put, terribly defeats the best knapper.  I knew it was good the minute I saw it.  Experience seperates opinions.
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Reply To This Topic #68 Posted Dec 11, 2009, 09:04:28 pm

   Dacite, flake over ground, I make them every day!  Stan

A knapper could never replicate that flaking, the sym :read2:etry nor the correctness for a type. You guys can get get close though.  I am not sure I should give you kudos.  "Dia negro" as it's put, terribly defeats the best knapper.  I knew it was good the minute I saw it.  Experience seperates opinions.

I've got to disagree with you there lostlake, and could show you a bunch of links to modern points and knives that look and feel exactly like authentic artifacts. I wont do that here but pm me if you want to see them.

I do however agree the material is dacite, and it does come from Oregon.

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Reply To This Topic #69 Posted Dec 14, 2009, 03:10:26 am

Awesome!!! Maybe it was a eared eden and they snapped of the
protruding ears? My first thought was scottsbluff. Nice find!

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Reply To This Topic #70 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 08:04:42 am

  Lostlake88, I have made many of these points in my 22 years of knapping. Check out some of my flaking at my site  www.flintstoneandbonecreations.com   Only one difference in that point and mine is that ALL of mine are signed with a diamond scribe! Stan

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Reply To This Topic #71 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 10:18:20 am

  Lostlake88, I have made many of these points in my 22 years of knapping. Check out some of my flaking at my site  www.flintstoneandbonecreations.com   Only one difference in that point and mine is that ALL of mine are signed with a diamond scribe! Stan

Has there been any evidence found to support that Paleo indians used the flake over grind method?  To me it seems like a process that isn't a necessary step to create a tool that was used as a spear point, knife, etc.  I can't imagine that a paleo knapper would sit there for hours and hours to manually grind flat a piece of flint just to create a prettier looking artifact.  FOG doesn't make a point any more useful then any other knapping style does it?

I would be curious to know if that is the only way to recreate parallel and oblique flaking.  Do you know of any others?  I know the hopewell created ground and polished lizards and effigies but they were also staying in larger groups and may not have required as much time to hunt and gather food.

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Reply To This Topic #72 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 10:36:35 am

Thank you Lostlake. Stan the material seems pretty close, ill just have to wait to see what they say on material id. Whitecountry, i too have seen that link and pic, very informative, thank you.

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Reply To This Topic #73 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 10:53:49 am

 Hey guys, the only info. I have on FOG being done by anyone in the world is the Egyptians. They made those VERY fine FOGGED "Gerzian" knives. Only one side was flaked, the other was smooth. It was used in a sandstone "Hone" to keep it sharp while doing the mummification process. You can see them on line if you google it. I see no evidence of FOG in north America except for modern knapping. Hope this helps. That is a GREAT point, dont get me wrong, it just raised a flag for me knowing what I know about FOG. Stan

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Reply To This Topic #74 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 11:04:36 am

 Well that just makes this PREHISTORIC artifact so much more interesting  headbang hello2
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Reply To This Topic #75 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 07:04:35 pm

The first link shows a good example of modern FOG on dacite...interesting thread here.



http://cgi.ebay.com.hk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110453532008

http://cgi.ebay.com/Transparent-arr...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a55cd26f2

http://cgi.ebay.com/KNAPPING-GB-SCO...DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1c0eb30f27

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Reply To This Topic #76 Posted Dec 15, 2009, 11:33:28 pm

here is another better example of fog, quite a few from the castinglab, very informative

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Reply To This Topic #77 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 12:00:19 am

   Dacite, flake over ground, I make them every day!  Stan

A knapper could never replicate that flaking, the sym :read2:etry nor the correctness for a type. You guys can get get close though.  I am not sure I should give you kudos.  "Dia negro" as it's put, terribly defeats the best knapper.  I knew it was good the minute I saw it.  Experience seperates opinions.

Now this guy was a very talented knapper, but if you look at how he tried to thin, even his way was crude looking.
http://www.lithiccastinglab.com/gal...s/2003octoberrichardwarrenpage1.htm

Cody complex had to use these tools every day, if they didnt they would die. They were expert knappers, and who is to say when they had down time they didnt  work on their "good luck" pieces, i think all cultures believed in a good luck or something of that nature, point is proven time and time again, the Cody people, were master, again, MASTER craftsmen, and i totally agree with Lostlake,  i have not seen 1 modern reproduction that can compare to  "Día negro".  There is something always off or wrong.
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I am not battering knappers at all, so please dont make some rude comment or anything of that nature, if you want to talk modern reproductions, i think i saw a section all 4 its own  at the top of the page.

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Reply To This Topic #78 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 06:06:05 am

 Hey Chong2, that was a great link. Go to page 4 and look at the Gerzean knife reproduction. It was made by Dale Cannon from Minnesota. I am one of his "Students" from 12 years past. I own 2 of his Gerzeans also, one that I watched him make at Moundville,AL. Awesome works of art and super thin too. Stan

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Reply To This Topic #79 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 09:34:15 am

 Hey chong2, Good luck with your point and keep us posted on your findings on it. Stan

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Reply To This Topic #80 Posted Dec 16, 2009, 11:50:58 am

Thank you stan, i most def will, untill then everyone take care and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!!!

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Reply To This Topic #81 Posted Dec 19, 2009, 08:11:10 pm

Hey, what kind of AK-47 is that in your avatar?  Romainian?  Russian? Hungarian?  Just curious.
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Reply To This Topic #82 Posted Dec 20, 2009, 06:58:11 am

looks like a romanian wasr
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Reply To This Topic #83 Posted Dec 20, 2009, 09:06:22 am

Dacite from AZ

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Reply To This Topic #84 Posted Dec 24, 2009, 04:11:48 pm

Lostlake , its a chinese poly
Thanks 4 the link Ill
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Reply To This Topic #85 Posted Dec 24, 2009, 04:20:55 pm

Lostlake , its a chinese poly

  Polytech are a great AK compared to some of the others.  I'm a big fan of the platform and have owned most of the variants there are out there (RPK's, Yugo's, Romy's, AMD's, Mac's, VZ, tantal's, etc).   Have you put any "kits" together yet?  It's another addiction..lol.   

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Reply To This Topic #86 Posted Dec 24, 2009, 05:20:42 pm

not worth buying kits anymore,i bought a bunch of yugo fixed stock kits when they were 75.00,now they are almost 300.00  ,chong is the poly milled or stamped
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Reply To This Topic #87 Posted Dec 24, 2009, 05:59:19 pm

Isn't that the truth.  I remember when I used to get kits all day long for $50 a whack, not anymore.  I've seen some G's lately going for over $300, it's crazy.   It's funny how that works.  The complete gun prices have come down, but the kits are still up there (for the most part).  Krinks have come back down some, and that's a good sign.  It's still fun to do the kits though for the experience.  The last ones I done were completely hand done.  Not using blank receivers or even pre-bent, but cutting our own, along with forming rivets out of stock, etc. 

   Here's a pic of a couple AK's I done, along with a couple of other EBR's.   http://www.okfirearms.com/images/tacticalgroup.jpg

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Reply To This Topic #88 Posted Dec 24, 2009, 06:07:13 pm

i can remember getting g's for 45.00 ,but there wasnt much interest in them  because you had to roll your own reciever or pay big money for a junk hess or vulcan  rec.,once nodak started up everyone started building and the prices started to climb,the big thing now is milled kits
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Reply To This Topic #89 Posted Dec 24, 2009, 06:19:33 pm

  I still prefer the G's over century WASR's, anyday.   NDS, Ohio Ordinance,  Armory USA (ERTD) did sure make things easier on folks.  Hesse / Vulcan is a dirty word, uggh.  Milled still aren't mainstream because people don't want to pay the price of the receivers as compared to stamped.  VZ58 are a good example of that.  They are a caddilac for firing and the kits are cheap, in fact I have a few of them around here.  The problem is getting ahold of affordable milled rec's for them, with only a few places making them.  By the time you get done getting the rec and u.s. parts, you could buy one already together. 

   One of the best ways a person can get a true Russkie AK is to convert a Saiga.  They are made at the original izmesh factory there and are very well put together.  I've converted all of them but a 12, and that's my next step. 

    At one time I was working on acquiring just about every main battle rifle from each country and came dang close. But, I've been having to put all of my funds into a house renovation lately and that has put my "toys" on hold.  In fact, I've had to sell a lot of them (unfortunately).   Ahhh well, priorities!

   Ooops..didn't mean to derail this thread with gun talk. 

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Reply To This Topic #90 Posted Jul 09, 2010, 06:22:47 pm

here is the update, just wanted to get my last few cents in!!!  thumbsup thanks all!
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Reply To This Topic #91 Posted Jul 09, 2010, 07:08:39 pm


Beautiful Eden/Firstview!   thumbsup

I have never seen one with the fine serrations. And yes, its a banner specimen.

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Congrats chong!!

As I said about eight months ago ...it is a beautiful piece.

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Reply To This Topic #92 Posted Jul 09, 2010, 09:06:48 pm

did he give an estimate on the value of it?
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Reply To This Topic #93 Posted Jul 10, 2010, 02:04:03 am

beautiful piece
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Reply To This Topic #94 Posted Jul 12, 2010, 07:54:10 pm

that piece is AWESOME...congrats!
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Reply To This Topic #95 Posted Jul 23, 2010, 03:38:01 am

AWESOME  thumbsup  notworthy
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Reply To This Topic #96 Posted Jul 23, 2010, 07:08:48 pm

Brother... I am late in seeing this once in a lifetime beauty and first I want to extend a congratulations!!! I dream of such a find!!! I also wanted to say congratulations of your realization that this is a turning "Point" for you in terms of your life. You may even want to name the artifact... "Turning Point" Wink  I hate giving advice but I will say this. In 2004 I literally lost everything that I lived for. Its a long story and not for this form but understand that no man has ever been lower than I was.... thinking that I would never smile again. Every breath was a physical effort and life was not worth living. It all turned around, and here I am.... re married, happy, a beautiful best friend (Charlie my Golden retriever), a killer hobby, (Arrowheads), a new cabin and property, great job, etc. You see.... back at my low point, if somone would have said that someday I would look back and see that the bad was necessary for me to get to a better place.... I would have hit them. Life is funny my friend. Keep focused, keep breathing and keep living and soon..... you will find what I have found. You have an absolute right to be happy and content and its true what they say. :That which don't kill you makes you stronger". Stay safe.

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Reply To This Topic #97 Posted Jul 31, 2010, 10:54:44 am

thank you airborne, man, i was literally on the brink of death when i found it. everyone told me it was a turning point in my life, and it has been, that guy "dia negro" which is his name, got me back on my feet. and yes, if i can hang in there im sure my life can turn like yours, and as a head hunter, it will never go away, the thrill of seeing that guy just laying there waiting to be rediscovered, kinda like fishing in the sea, you never know what you will find. thanks again airborne!!!!! and i hope its not once in a life time find for me!

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