Historicaly speaking

OBAMA said, in his Cairo speech: "I know, too, that Islam has always been a part of America's story.

Dear Mr. Obama:

Were those Muslims that were in America when the Pilgrims first landed?
Funny, I thought they were Native American Indians.

Were those Muslims that celebrated the first Thanksgiving day? Sorry again, those were Pilgrims and Native American Indians.

Can you show me one Muslim signature on the United States Constitution?
Declaration of Independence? Bill of Rights? Didn't think so.

Did Muslims fight for this country's freedom from England? No.

Did Muslims fight during the Civil War to free the slaves in America? No, they did not. In fact, Muslims to this day are still the largest traffickers in human slavery. Your own 'half brother' a devout Muslim still advocates slavery himself, even though muslims of Arabic descent refer to black muslims as "pug nosed slaves." Says a lot of what the Muslim world really thinks of your family's "rich Islamic heritage" doesn't it Mr.Obama?

Where were Muslims during the Civil Rights era of this country? Not
present. There are no pictures or media accounts of Muslims walking side by side with Martin Luther King Jr.. or helping to advance the cause of Civil Rights.

Where were Muslims during this country's Woman's Suffrage era? Again, not present. In fact, devout Muslims demand that women are subservient to men in the Islamic culture. So much so that often they are beaten for not wearing the 'hajib' or for talking to a man that is not a direct family member or their husband. Yep, the Muslims are all for women's rights aren't they?

Where were Muslims during World War II? They were aligned with Adolf Hitler. The Muslim grand mufti himself met with Adolf Hitler, reviewed the troops and accepted support from the Nazi's in killing Jews.


Finally Mr. Obama, where were Muslims on Sept. 11th, 2001? If they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the middle east. No one can dispute the pictures shown from all parts of the Muslim world celebrating on CNN, Fox News, MSNBC and other news networks that day. Strangely, the very "moderate" Muslims who's asses you bent over backwards to kiss in Cairo, Egypt on June 4th were stone cold silent post 9-11. To many Americans, their silence has meant approval for the acts of that day.

And THAT, Mr. Obama, is the "rich heritage" Muslims have here in America.

 

And now we can add November 5, 2009

http://blogs.tampabay.com/photo/2009/11/terrorism-thats-personal.html

I've been saying this on various forums since they started...the best way to deceive people is to be obvious.

Bush wasn't always good at it because he was usually too subtle and refined. Obama has mastered the art of deception.

You can bet that while 95% of the people of the United States know he's wrong about Islam's part in our history there's a good 50% of them who would still applaud this rediculous misinformation.

Today we have entered the nonsense age. There is no use trying to make sense of things in this county or in the world for that matter.

Historical America is doomed. Enjoy as much as you can now.

teddy

If they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the middle east.
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The 'celebrations' of the mooslems wasn't all that far away. Many friends & some family members
witnessed the interns & doctors of Mid-Eastern descent celebrating at our local hospital as the news
of 9/11 came through. I had too many people tell me what happened to doubt them.

This post gave me the opportunity to explore American history and the affect of the Muslim culture on it.  Most of us have only witness the terrorism role of the Muslim and just like most we are pissed off over what they have done to our way of life but, it is true that the Muslim has been with America even before its inception.

According to the Sung Documents (Chinese I believe) Muslims sailors landed in America in 1178.  I don't know much about this but, a little research would clairify the validity of these Sung Documents.

The slave years in America were a horrible time for Muslims as 30 percent of the black africans that were kidnapped from their villages were of the muslim faith.  Many were kidnapped by fellow muslim traders.

As early as 1790 there is documentation of Moors (Spain) whom were predominately Muslims were living in South Carolina.

In 1856 the United States Cavalry hired a Muslim to experiment raising camels in Arizona.  Some of us remember this little experiment from our history books but, little was mentioned about the man's religion.

By the turn of the century Muslims were well established in New York and Pennslyvania with their own churches (Mosque) as well as developing positions of authority as high up as governors and such.

It is true that we as a nation do not care much for the terrorism.  Many folks have been affected by 9-11, the Gulf wars, etc. but, as with all wars and conflicts that our country becomes involved in we don't always treat those few that are not threatening our way of life the same way after the fact.  Sad but, true.

Ernest

America was certainly built on the backs of immigrants from camel breeders to sheep
herders and it is continuing today with America's open arms to all religions and nationalities.

People Come to America to escape The tyranny usally from thier own people, and for the oppurtunity to prosper. Something they dont get in thier countries.

If they weren't flying planes into the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or a field in Pennsylvania killing nearly 3,000 people on our own soil, they were rejoicing in the middle east.
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The 'celebrations' of the mooslems wasn't all that far away. Many friends & some family members
witnessed the interns & doctors of Mid-Eastern descent celebrating at our local hospital as the news
of 9/11 came through. I had too many people tell me what happened to doubt them.

I heard from some who had friends or connections within the Detroit school system that a giant cheer went up in the schools when the news of the World Trade Center attacks were made known to the students. Wonder why we never heard about this from the media?  

People Come to America to escape The tyranny usally from thier own people, and for the opportunity to prosper. Something they dont get in thier countries.

Exactly. Sure Muslims have been on our soils but they didn't found this country. No Muslim in his right mind would have taken part in what the founding fathers had in mind. Islam is death to anyone who disagrees.

Look at what Islam has done for those countries who have it. If it were not for oil they'd still be a bunch of Bedouin maniacs killing each other and most of the world wouldn't care.

They want the prosperity that Christianity gave America. Everywhere they are is only misery and discrimination.

Obama is clearly a Muslim supporter and was no doubt partly put into office with their oil money. He's their first man in, those in the future will be much stronger Muslims.

The faith that built America was Christianity.

teddy

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
 
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the
other components.
 
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
 
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of
the other components tend to creep in as well.
 
Here's how it works.
 
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
 
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
 
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
among street gangs. This is happening in:
 
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
 
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the
introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to featur e halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
 
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
 
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic
Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
 
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
 
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
 
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
 
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
 
At 40%, nati ons experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
 
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
 
 
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims),
sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
 
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
 
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive
out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
 
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
 
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a
Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
 
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
 
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
 
'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
 
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim
populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
 
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus,
Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
 
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.
 
Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the
other components.
 
Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.
 
When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of
the other components tend to creep in as well.
 
Here's how it works.
 
As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:
 
United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%
 
At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and
among street gangs. This is happening in:
 
Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%
 
From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the
introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to featur e halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:
 
France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%
 
At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic
Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.
 
When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:
 
Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%
 
After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:
 
Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%
 
At 40%, nati ons experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:
 
Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%
 
 
From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims),
sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:
 
Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%
 
After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive
out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:
 
Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%
 
100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a
Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:
 
Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%
 
Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.
 
'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon Uris, 'The Haj'
 
It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim
populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large. The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.
 
Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus,
Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.
 
Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book: Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat

Informative post, TC. And you are so right in what you say about the politically and morally evil power known as Islam. Islam is a lifestyle or philosophy of fear. It is the few making the masses into slaves. It seems odd that so many blacks in this country welcome Islam.

But I think the United States Muslim population of 0.6% is way too low. We have many closet Muslims not of Arab decent. Many new generation blacks subscribe to it mostly because it's so anti-Early America. At any rate, demographically they're growing fast.

The thing that will push Americans into Islamic submission wouldn't be of a pure demographic nature. Already we see the early signs of this coming submission with our current presidential administration. Obama's job is to take the edge off Islam and if you watch the posts here and elsewhere you can see this happening. More and more on all forums people are gradually becoming a little more sympathetic to Islam.

As you may have guessed, my posts are all made to simulate comments for study and a future work. I'm looking for the pulse of present America and finding it on all the forums. I know what's going on politically; I want to know what the population thinks.

With each passing day America is growing more tolerant of Islam. This is the goal of those who have already enslaved us. Due to reversed psychology, and the trend today into an ever deepening confusion, they don't care that people like us post these things. In fact they hope we'll continue. The more we say Islam is evil, the more converts they'll gain because we Americans are by nature obstinate.

Our president can apologize to our enemies, openly tell lies, and insinuate that Islam was a blessing to this country in the past. The reasons this is acceptable today are many. Today many Americans do not know or really care why this country was built in the first place. Added to this is the fact that today most people lie as a lifestyle (there was a day when a man's word meant something) and view the basic rules of right and wrong found in the Bible as pure hogwash. Therefore a president who is like this is most acceptable. He's one of the boys, so to speak.

The enemies of original America are now reaping what they planted in the country via public education. For over a century our schools have be busy tearing down what early Americans built. That is, a strong sense that we are all of value and every single human life is precious.

Every day our public schools teach children they're just animals and will never face a Creator to give an account of the deeds of this life. Morals are "religious" and therefore myths. The thing that's important today is that a man does what personally pleases him. Children are taught that all of life is relative and there are no absolutes. What's wrong today may be right tomorrow (and usually is).

There is no fear of God in their minds so therefore anything convenient goes. Since people today think they're animals and this life is all there is, they act like animals. Our founding fathers knew better.

As with all religions, it takes a slaughter of non believers to make an impact on the world.  Funny though, Muslims were the only ones to take Jerusalem without any bloodshed.  I guess in those days they were more peace loving.

Crusaders were accused of attacking Muslim traders and disemboweling them to search for the jewelry they were said to have swallowed during such attacks.  Crusaders disemboweled whole Muslim towns just to find absolutely nothing in the Muslims innards.

The Muslim is encouraged to have lots of children.  A thing that I wish westerners would consider.  In the states you are looked at weirdly if you have more than two.  I personally have six and would have more if I could.  One of the reasons Muslim populations are growing is because they love to make more children.  I was going to say that they love children but, there have been a few children strapped with explosives sent into crowded market places and blown up.  So, I won't say they love children but, they just are encouraged to make more.

Afro American blacks lean towards Muslimism because of the original slaves brought into this country were about 30 percent Muslim faith.  Many of those were kidnapped by their own Muslim brothers and traded for groceries and money.

As for the above post, which by the way was an excellent read, I felt that the word "Muslim" could have been replaced with "Christian", "Jew", "Scientologist" or any religion for that matter and still had the impact of an excellent read.  Statistics do and have lied in the past.  I lived long enough to understand how that type of information can be used to ensue hate in those that are not completely aware of the religion references in the first place.

But, that is just my opinion, for what it is worth.

Ernest

Jew, Christian, or Hindu could have replaced Muslim and it would have still been a good read, it just  would not have been true. Possibly you should take a look at the poor women who have to live with faces DESTROYED because some fellow who had been refused marriage lost face and regained it by throwing  ACID in the lady's face destroying her looks.( Sometimes her ability to see, hear, and talk. It just depends on how much the acid destroyed of the physical structures of her face.) Islam defends this. I do not see the other three doing so. No Virginia, all religions are not the same.

Jew, Christian, or Hindu could have replaced Muslim and it would have still been a good read, it just  would not have been true.
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Exactly right. Besides the mutilation of their women, what about them creating walking human bombs by
strapping explosives on the mentally handicapped & even their own children while they cower behind cover?
I've never read where 'civilized' people did such things. More especially, in the name of a  ? religion ? .

The fact still remains Muslims played no part in shaping our history, our laws, our government, serving in our armed forces, defeating our enemies, building our cities, our industry....  In fact most historians say we only have the system of government we currently have because the Greeks were able to put a stop to the savage hoards of the Persian armies.  Im sure if you went back to the 17th, 18th, and 19th century and asked any American if they had ever seen a Muslim the answer would be no.  Sure if you look long and hard enough you may find a Muslim living in the colonies or states at that time but im sure you could also find a three legged man with enough searching.  Some people today try to distort history history to make other feel better about themselves.  Recently I watched a movie about the Tuskegee airman and at the end of the movie they claimed to have lost 0 bombers to enemy action.  Well the fact is they lost many bombers to enemy action, they also fail to mention that they did not start flying combat protection for bomber crews till mid 1944 at which time Germany had no Air force left other than a few young untrained kids in patched together fighters so comparing them to early war loses is ridiculous.  History should be told how it happened and people need to stop relying on Hollywood to teach them history.  God only knows how school history books will look in 50 years.

There were seminars in major cities and mosques all over the United States on Columbus Day  explaining how Muslims discovered America way before Columbus or other Europeans.
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/D6bARRmEpH8" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/D6bARRmEpH8</a>

Native Americans are being welcomed into the Muslim faith as many believe they are
descendants of those early Americans .

As an Australian I am wondering who is right here.

Piggy did you even watch the video? It said that the passages about Indians having Muslim names were removed because the Indians disagreed and challenged it. The news that ran this story asked if the author wanted to comment on this book but she declined to comment and inturn defend her work.   Also the part about Muslims discovering America was a crock of %$&@, the prince of Saudi Arabia paid $20 million dollars to 2 universities (Harvard & Georgetown) that were working on a mid east teaching curriculum for k-12 students, did you hear the part how it was also recommended that kids should make prayer rugs and learn the 5 pillars of Islam in school, or that kids should learn to read the Koran??? I surly hope you were joking when you posted this video to prove somekind of point.

Piggy did you even watch the video? It said that the passages about Indians having Muslim names were removed because the Indians disagreed and challenged it. The news that ran this story asked if the author wanted to comment on this book but she declined to comment.  

I did watch it and simply ask who is really telling the truth here.
Disagreeing does not provide proof one way or another.

Remember when it was taught that Columbus discovered America, nobody believes this anymore.

Then why did they pull it, no proof to back that wild claim up.

 

Then why did they pull it, no proof to back that wild claim up.

I have no idea but I do know there is some doubt as to who did discover America.
Some researchers say the Chinese can claim that honour and may add this "fact" when
they want financial payback.
So it is not a laughing matter as the Fiend thinks.

Then why did they pull it, no proof to back that wild claim up.

I have no idea but I do know there is some doubt as to who did discover America.
Some researchers say the Chinese can claim that honour and may add this "fact" when
they want financial payback.
So it is not a laughing matter as the Fiend thinks.

Everybody knows it was Leif Erickson discovered America but I hang a Spanish flag just for Columbus Day... LOL

To give everyone their due, 3 men in a tub ;
a Muslim , European and a Chinese :

Christopher Columbus was the discover of North America (The Caribbean) as far as Europe is concerned. The first expedition funded by a European government to explicit find the land that was believed by many to be there already was Christopher Columbus's. Yes, Erikson may have lucked upon it earlier. Yes, possibly so did the Chinese, but neither were looking for it or were funded by a government. Amerigo Vespucci was the Italian explorer who gave his name to the Americas, but he also was not sponsored by a Government. I will still celebrate Columbus day because he was the "Official" discoverer by European history. That's OK by me. Yes, I do understand that other Individuals most likely found it before Columbus.

I see no need for a government to back them financially to be valid discovery. Leif Erikson became the first Viking to explore the land of Vinland (part of North America in modern-day Newfoundland). And I remember reading somewhere that he may of even sailed all the way down to Virgina.

Leif Erikson (970 – c. 1020) was a Norse explorer who is currently regarded as the first European to land in North America (excluding Greenland), nearly five hundred years before Christopher Columbus

I've also heard it was named for Richard Amerike, Cabots sponsor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Amerike

Lets face it Muslim names do not exist in American history books because they did not take part in it.  I also don't see too many Muslim tombstones at Arlington.

I see no need for a government to back them financially to be valid discovery. Leif Erikson became the first Viking to explore the land of Vinland (part of North America in modern-day Newfoundland). And I remember reading somewhere that he may of even sailed all the way down to Virgina.

Leif Erikson (970 – c. 1020) was a Norse explorer who is currently regarded as the first European to land in North America (excluding Greenland), nearly five hundred years before Christopher Columbus

I agree Fiend and it's quite ironic that an anti-governmentalist like 21stcav should bring up
this need; contradictory to say the least.

I've also heard it was named for Richard Amerike, Cabots sponsor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Amerike

Lets face it Muslim names do not exist in American history books because they did not take part in it.  I also don't see too many Muslim tombstones at Arlington.

I think Jimmy(PA)'s remark is insensitive, dishonest and has nothing to do with early
American history.
http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/10/19/the-gravestone-of-kareem-rashad-sultan-khan/

His first statement "Lets face it Muslim names do not exist in American history books because they did not take part in it" is illogical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

I've also heard it was named for Richard Amerike, Cabots sponsor.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Amerike

Lets face it Muslim names do not exist in American history books because they did not take part in it.  I also don't see too many Muslim tombstones at Arlington.

I think Jimmy(PA)'s remark is insensitive, dishonest and has nothing to do with early
American history.
http://www.prosebeforehos.com/word-of-the-day/10/19/the-gravestone-of-kareem-rashad-sultan-khan/

His first statement "Lets face it Muslim names do not exist in American history books because they did not take part in it" is illogical.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

LOL is that the best you can do?  I especially love the "begging the question" remark.  You do know it was the Greeks who kept Middle Eastern influence from entering the Western World right?  Once again Muslims had nothing to do with shaping American history.  But give it another shot, throughout our history we have had hundreds of millions of citizens so im sure you can find another Muslim to post along with that one name in your attempt to prove something that just isn't so.

I'm not trying to prove anything here Jimmy as I do agree with most of your
conclusions . Its just that I don't like the trashy way you arrive at them.

I'm not trying to prove anything here Jimmy as I do agree with most of your
conclusions . Its just that I don't like the trashy way you arrive at them.

Hey, hard war, easy peace.  Besides its not the means to the end that matters, its the end that counts IMO.

I also think its trashy to compare someone to Hitler (its a fad among the left wing) and makes the whole argument silly and invalid.  So I guess we have to agree to disagree on this.

I also think its trashy to compare someone to Hitler (its a fad among the left wing) and makes the whole argument silly and invalid.  So I guess we have to agree to disagree on this.

Just for the record, I've heard just as many conservatives use the Hitler comparison to Obammy. It should not be used towards anyone. It is nothing more than an inflammatory tool designed to remove or skew discourse from the topic at hand.
However, that being said, no matter who does it, people must look to how past events matured and if of a negative impact must strive to ensure that they do not happen again.
"Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it." (or something to that effect.)

Scott

just as many conservatives use the Hitler comparison to Obammy. It should not be used towards anyone. It is nothing more than an inflammatory tool
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Scott, you do make a good point & I agree with you. As much as I despise, er, dislike BO, I would
never compare him to Hitler. But it is OK to compare him to Karl Marx, isn't it ?  After all, the politics
are identical as well as the failure rate.                                

I think that one should not compare him to Marx either. Perhaps his POLICIES could be compared to Marx.

Scott

I think that one should not compare him to Marx either. Perhaps his POLICIES could be compared to Marx.

Scott

I agree, Obama should not be compared to Marx. Marx was not near the socialist that Obama is!!

It is the usual same in here.

Nobody talks about Jeffersonian ideals.

Thank God for Fox News and throwing rationality out the window.

It is the usual same in here.

Nobody talks about Jeffersonian ideals.

Thank God for Fox News and throwing rationality out the window.

 

Im reckoning you are refferring to the rumor Jefferson was Muslim...  Thats just bs and there has been no evidence supporting it. In fact he was the first American President to wage war with the muslims.

http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_2_urbanities-thomas_jefferson.html

Jefferson was not a Muslim.  He defended US ships that were being attacked by pirates whom in those days were mostly situated along the Barbary Coast.  Tripoli for example, (thus the Marine Hymn "shores of Tripoli"). The Barbary War was started in 1801.  Most of the pirates were Muslims.
To keep up with his enemy he may have even had his own copy of the Koran, maybe.

Jefferson was a person whom hated slavery but, had slaves.  He believed that men should have their own land but, hated expansionism.  And so on, and so on.  

He left the Jeffersonian Papers to future presidents (27,000 documents). An obvious advocate of Constitutionalism, his ideals continued his views and opinions after what he did not say during the drafting of the US Constitution.

Ernest

It is the usual same in here.

Nobody talks about Jeffersonian ideals.

Thank God for Fox News and throwing rationality out the window.

Sorry, but in the realm of reality your statement is just throwing shi# against the wall to see if it will stick. If this is your opinion then I feel you have no true concept of what "Jeffersonian Ideals" are. If you did you would most likely be against those Ideals.