Seafarer Exploration -V- Reef Dawg

I have deleted all the threads related to Reef Dawg's battle with Seafarer Exploration due to serious violations of our forum rules. While we do support honest open and sometimes spireted discussion of issues of the day, we will not tolerate venomous lies and personal attacks in defense of ones position.
While I have not yet banned anyone involved in these violations, I will not hesitate to do so if these infractions continue. Since all involved are new to the forum consider this heads up, and should you decide to continue on TreasureNet may I suggest that you follow the link to the Forum Rules to familiarize yourself with these basic rules before you post anything further.

Thanks

wreckdiver1715
Global Moderator

I never intended on impeding on the decorum of this site by my posting on Seafarer Exploration. I find Treasure Net one of the best of its kind available on the web. It’s informative, insightful and brings together the treasure hunting community from across the globe.

I do have to disagree with one statement of yours, I never posted “venomous lies” as you stated. I merely posted a topic which was from my direct and factual experiences as the former Director of Operations for Seafarer Exploration Corporation.

Other than that, I will read your disclaimer on postings and apply myself from hence forth accordingly.

My thanks for your understanding,

Capt. S.F. Murphy

Look at it this way, Mr. Murphy. We fellow members are here for you. We understand. But there is not really any way to confirm or deny that what you are saying is true or false. So to avoid a potential lawsuit for slander and libel, the posting had to go. You see?

Personally, I wish you the best of luck.

Just to set the record straight, Reef Dawg and I have discussed this issue off line, and as I stated to Sean yesterday, I have no issues with his original post on this subject. It was the responses generated by individuals that claim to be associated with Seafarer who violated our forum rules. Fortunately, I was able to remove those post before too many folks were able to see the trash that was posted on this site.

Tom

Hi Tom, this is a tremendous site that is a wealth of good information and knowledge and there are some very interesting people that are members of the community. As a moderator you are not paid for helping to maintain and administer the site and for providing such a service you should be commended for being the valuable resource that you are.

However, it is terribly disappointing to see that you are more or less tacitly condoning Sean Murphy's (Reef Dawg) desperate attempt to libel, slander, besmirch and sully the reputation of Seafarer. Your statement "I have no issues with his original post on this subject" is very troubling. As per your post, you have had a discussion with Sean and apparently you take what he has told you to be the gospel truth.

Could it be that Sean Murphy has an agenda and an axe to grind with Seafarer? Do companies in general have the right to dismiss a person for reasons having to do with safety and performance issues, and in fact don't most businesses normally part ways with individuals for issues (or for lessor reasons in many cases) such as these? If a person who is dismissed from a company has never previously spoken negatively about that company, but then suddenly appears on forums to vigorously "make their case" and post defamatory and misleading information after they have been dismissed, does this say something about that person's credibility? In other words, why would someone suddenly bombard Internet sites with negative (i.e. defamatory and misleading) information only AFTER they were dismissed, and not before?

Although this forum is obviously not the place to air "dirty" laundry, there are many facts about this situation that have not been made public. Have you spoken to anyone associated with Seafarer? I sincerely believe that if you were to take an objective view and learn the facts, you may feel differently about Sean's efforts to use this very fine site as a tool to damage and harm Seafarer. 

Best regards.

Tom,

I want to first congratulate you on your stand to delete the Reef Dawg v. Seafarer quotes. I have visited this website many times in the past and know some of the posters. I have never had the desire or need to register to post on this site until now. I have had a keen interest in treasure salvaging operations. I believe that this forum was not meant for the type of material that Mr. Murphy started posting a few weeks ago. I do agree 100% with Atocha Girl's comments concerning Mr. Murphy. I actually made a few calls concerning Mr. Murphy's comments and the responses seem to indicate a man with an axe to grind that will say anything to assist in his vendetta. I will continue to be a very interested party to viewing the real comments on this site concerning treasure hunting activities and want to thank you again for deleting the type of tripe that has no place on this site.

["SideImagingSoft.com - Humminbird Side Imaging Forums"]

I say let him speak!  I believe there is a Rants and Raves forum here where pretty much anything goes.  I am sure Sean knows the potential consequences. I don't know all the facts, or most of even what was said, but I think that investors and potential investors need to know.  Maybe, just maybe, the Axe Needs Grinding!

I think it's our duty to keep these companies in check and make sure the truth comes out.  I am not saying that ReefDawg is in the right or even speaking the truth.  But, he was on the inside, and certainly has first hand knowledge.

I think that in the end, a company's actual time on the water and performance speaks volumes!  Everything else is just hot air!  

While it is true that I stated that I had no issues with Capt. Murphy’s post, in as much as he did not violate the established forum rules in his original post. However, do not confuse this statement with me supporting his position against Seafarer Exploration in any way shape or form.
I would say that it is quite obvious to anyone who had an opportunity to read his post that Capt. Murphy indeed has an axe to grind with Seafarer Exploration, and his post was simply an expression of his opinion towards his former employer.
As a moderator it is not my place to agree or disagree with personal opinions posted on this site, nor is it my place to expend vast amounts of time and energy in order to determine if anyone is lying or telling the truth about any given post.  Me and my fellow moderators responsibility is simply to ensure that the forum rules are followed and enforced.
When these types of controversies appear on TreasureNet and they have many times in the past. The truth usually comes to the surface for all to see eventually. The Visa Gold Exploration Inc., case is a perfect example, as is the ongoing controversy over Odyssey Marine and the Black Swan recovery project.
All parties involved in this controversy are welcome to express their opinions providing that our forum rules are followed.

[defame,]

Hi Tom, again no personal issues with you, just issues with the way that this whole thing with Sean Murphy ("Reef Dawg") and Seafarer is being characterized.

Sean Murphy's post was not simply an expression of his opinion towards his former employer, it was a calculated effort to spread falsehoods and lies in order to harm Seafarer due to a personal grudge. Furthermore, you state that Reef Dawg did not violate the established forum rules in his original post...

According to the forum rules:

"You may not.... Abuse, defame, harass, threaten, stalk, or otherwise violate the legal rights (such as rights of privacy and publicity) of others."

By posting outright lies and misleading information about Seafarer it would seem that Sean Murphy has violated the forum rules in terms of defaming Seafarer and or violating the legal rights of Seafarer! If the information that Sean Murphy posted about Seafarer is not true but the information that was posted about Sean Murphy is true, would you still feel the same way?

Secondly, the reference to Visa Gold seems inappropriate as it implies by association that people associated with Seafarer may be engaged in the same type of activity that took place with Visa Gold (after a cursory review of Visa Gold it looks like there was a concerted effort by insiders and brokers to pump the price of Visa's stock so that these individuals could benefit by selling shares at an inflated value...). Interestingly enough, since I own Seafarer shares, I can tell you that the stock has done nothing but for the most part go down so if this is a situation like Visa Gold it is sure an intersting way of going about things!

Again, this is a tremendous site but this whole situation is truly distressing. I implore you or anyone else who is at all interested to contact Seafarer, or better yet, contact the people involved in Seafarer's dive operation. There are 5 individuals who are currently working in Seafarer's operations, one is a captain with significant experience working the 1715 fleet and the other four are divers. Additionally there is a well known archaeologist working with the dive team as well, this is the same person who is a first person witness to an "episode" involving Sean. These people are not Seafarer management or executives. I would bet my life that to a person this group will be more than happy to provide you with information that will open your eyes to the game that Sean Murphy is playing including the fact that he has used this forum, as well as several others, for the nefarious purpose of attempting to damage and harm Seafarer simply because Seafarer was not willing to overlook disturbing safety and performance issues involving Sean Murphy.

Thank you for your time, best regards.

 

 

Are you sure of this

AtochaGirl, while I do appreciate your position in support of Seafarer. The simple truth is that I don’t know who is telling the truth in this matter. All I know is that we have a couple very opinionated folks that are 180 degrees out with their opinions. While you may not like the statements that Reef Dawg has made about his association and experiences with his former employer, it is my opinion that he did not violate our forum rules. However, your comments were over the top and did violate our forum rules resulting in there being deleted.
Since you obviously were not around during the Visa Gold incident, and had to do a “cursory review”, you appear to have missed my point completely. I was not comparing Seafarer Exploration to Visa Gold, and defiantly not to Odyssey Marine, but drawing a parallel to what was transpiring with postings on TreasureNet at this time, before all the facts were known. In that case some investors had posted some comments on this site about the owner of Visa Gold alleging that he was a con-artist and a thief. As I am sure you will appreciate, he took exception to the comments and contacted me directly in defense of his position. The facts in that case did not bode well for Visa Gold and its owner and the posts made by the investors stood, at least for a time. Ultimately this treasure hunter was vindicated in a court of law and the evil stock brokers in Toronto and New York were found guilty of not only stealing the investor’s money, but also of taking the treasure hunters money as well.
In the case of Odyssey Marine, a continuing saga that has been going on for many years, there are many with differing opinions about Odyssey. Unfortunately, at the beginning of that controversy I was forced to ban several long term members who refused to conform to our forum rules.
I am not a reporter, and again as I stated previously, I don’t have time to verify with multiple sources to determine who is telling the truth, and who is lying. The folks at Seafarer Exploration are more than welcome to join us at TreasureNet, and share their opinion like everyone else.

Atocha Girl refers to the TNet rule about not defaming anybody, and then goes on to do exactly that about Reef Dawg.

I know this is a difficult situation for you Tom, and I think you are handling it very well, but if you are going to censor Reef Dawg's posts, I suggest you do the same to this other newcomer also.

Mariner

[Tom]

Tom, I do understand that you are caught in the middle, and I truly respect your position and duties as a moderator of this site.

In terms of you stating that I "...may not like the statements that Reef Dawg made...", this is not the case. I don't like the fact that Sean Murphy is attempting to harm people that are sincere and trying very hard to build a legitimate company during difficult times. I posit again that Sean Murphy has used this forum, and other forums, as a tool to post misleading and untrue statements in an attempt to do harm to and defame a company in order to satisfy a personal vendetta that he has because he was legitimately dismissed for safety and performance reasons. Accordind to the forum rules this is clearly a violation. Again, why did Sean Murphy start his campaign to damage Seafarer only after the Company dismissed him? I'll humbly and respectfully leave it at that and throw myself at the mercy of the fine people of this site.   

Mariner, I have no issues with you and I am not looking to start anything with you, however I am not sure why you seem to have a bias in this situation. You claim that I have done "...exactly that about Reef Dawg" which means you believe that I have defamed Sean Murphy. According to Merriam-Webster, to defame means "to harm the reputation of by libel or slander". The key here is the part "...by libel and slander". I have done neither to Reef Dawg, everything that I have stated is factual, of this I am very sure. Since you have taken an interest in this thread for some reason, I again would humbly ask that if you do not believe me that you contact Seafarer, or at least someone connected with Seafarer, in order to hear a different point of view and make your mind up from there.

Treasureinvestor2, As to the question regarding who is Seafarer's captain and crew, I am afraid that I do not know all of their names. I do know that the captain is Rodney Grambo (Grandbo?) who previously worked the 1715 fleet. The diver who was referred to as dressing up as a pirate I believe is John Smith, a/k/a Ringo. It is my understanding that Ringo is a member of the dive team, he apparently was hired by good ole Reef Dawg and had no previous treasure salvage experience. I may have the captain's name incorrect, I'll try to contact Seafarer on Monday and double check this as well as get the names of the other divers. Seafarer uses Jim Sinclair as their archeologist, of this I am certain and he seems very credible.

Best regards to all...

Am I the only one who finds these posts suspect? Not one. Not two. But three new members to this website who had something to say on the subject? And all basically saying the same thing? Come on now. It seems that all you did was join this forum in an effort to discredit Mr. Murphy. Why is that?

I'm sorry. Too much coincidence. I don't buy it.

I know this is a difficult situation for you Tom, and I think you are handling it very well, but if you are going to censor Reef Dawg's posts, I suggest you do the same to this other newcomer also.

Mariner, thanks and trust me I censored all of them already. They are all welcome to post all they want, including Reef Dawg if he wants to reengage. Providing that they operate within the scope of our forum rules.

Hi allen_idaho, I have used this site for some time however, prior to seeing that Murphy was using this site as an instrument to attempt to harm people in order to satisfy his personal agenda, I never felt compelled to post here. Do you likewise find it suspect that Murphy has been registered on TN since Dec. 2008, and he was working with Seafarer during this time, however he never posted anything here until right after he was dismissed from Seafarer?

Atocha Girl,

I don't know Reef Dawg (or you, for that matter) from Adam, but he did offer to send anybody who was interested the evidence he had to support his initial statements.

Would you mind declaring any interests that you might have, if any, one either side of this debate?

Mariner

Hi allen_idaho, I have used this site for some time however, prior to seeing that Murphy was using this site as an instrument to attempt to harm people in order to satisfy his personal agenda, I never felt compelled to post here. Do you likewise find it suspect that Murphy has been registered on TN since Dec. 2008, and he was working with Seafarer during this time, however he never posted anything here until right after he was dismissed from Seafarer?

No, i do not. He was a registered member of this site for about a year. You, on the other hand, were not. You decided not to register until a week ago. That is suspect. Mr. Murphy is not.

[allen_idaho]

allen_idaho, since Reef Dawg registered as a member of TN in December 2008 yet he never, ever posted one thing here until after he was dismissed by Seafarer, then ergo, everything he says must be factual and he must be beyond reproach...Likewise, since I have been a reader of TN for nearly two years, but have never registered or posted because I never previously felt compelled to do so, I must be suspect...makes sense!

Mariner, Reef Dawg has made the same promise on other forums regarding "sending" people all kinds of good stuff, however when called out he appears to have nothing to send. I have been very forthright that I own shares in Seafarer. If you are asking me to declare if I will send you anything, I would be more than happy, to the best of my ability, to put you or anyone else who is interested in touch with either Seafarer's management or the entire team of people who were working with Reef Dawg so that you can get more information. Please let me know...

Atocha Girl,

My practice is to take people at their word, until such time as that proves to be a mistake, but it is nice to know if they have vested interests in a particular subject.

I shall watch with interest as all this plays out with interest. Incidentally, it doesn't help to mis-state what allen_idaho said.

Mariner

by Atocha Girl,

"Sean Murphy's post was not simply an expression of his opinion towards his former employer, it was a calculated effort to spread falsehoods and lies in order to harm Seafarer due to a personal grudge. Furthermore, you state that Reef Dawg did not violate the established forum rules in his original"

How do you know thaey are falsehoods. What is your connection?

["SideImagingSoft.com - Humminbird Side Imaging Forums"]

Even some of the most respected treasure hunters in the business have had problems.  Paying bills or other issues!  When you are dealing with a publicly traded company who is relying on selling stock to pay salaries, expenses, etc., the little things start shine a light on the bigger picture.

Asside from ReefDawgs comments, true or false or maybe a little embelished, there seems to be a lot of "Scuttlebutt" and unanswered questions on the net right now about Seafarer.

Instead of just trying to shut everyone up from saying anything, maybe someone should work on resolving the issues and these post would probably go away pretty quickly!

My 2 cents!

RGecy

 

AtochaGirl is not a girl at all. In fact, AtochaGirl is a male. More specifically, Chris Gilcher who is the Chief Financial Officer for Seafarer Exploration Corporation. But this is true to form for them. Sneaky and misleading ways they conduct business.

My last response to this whole scuttlebutt mentioned above is simple; when Seafarer Exploration Corporation is served with our lawsuit, we then can rely on our judicial system to get to the bottom of who is telling the truth and what the facts are. To me, this is the most effective way of knowing what truly is going on.

There are (23) businesses, individuals, companies and investors that can affirm my testimony through affidavits in my possession. So, contrary to the assertion that I am alone in this, the one fact remains; maybe some would think I'm wrong, but I highly doubt the same can be said for the other (23) people. It's a clear pattern of Seafarer and history cannot be changed, it can only be dilluted with smoke and mirrors which, as written to above, Seafarer is highly proficient at.

BY THE WAY,

I wrote a letter to AtochaGirl and there was no response.

Go figure.

I'm a guy!!! Hallelujah, now I know what my true problems in life are.   

My name is Tina, but hey stud, nice try. I am a shareholder in Seafarers as I have already stated. I was also not belittling any diver, just did not know all of their names.

Reef Dawg why would I waste my time and respond to you in your private message? You know that I know the truth about you and what you have done. Every person who works in Seafarer's dive operations has confirmed it, but I guess they are all a part of the Seafarer "spin" machine as well? Is your lawsuit going to include the part about Seafarer paying you when you were not even working for weeks, and then after your latest "episode" putting you up in a hotel room for nearly two weeks and even giving you more money after you were let go simply to try to help you? These people must be truly evil.   

I would believe every word that Reef Dawg says, he has proven to be a truly stand up person. This gets better and better. 

 

Quick question. How would you know? Did somebody bring it up at the latest shareholder meeting? Was it a big topic of discussion along with the Don Patterson issue? Maybe they decided to put it in your quarterly stock report. Is that what happened? 

Not sure about the issue you mention  and never heard anything at a shareholder meeting...originally learned about Reef Dawg from a captain and dive crew that briefly worked for Seafarers earlier this year, they apparently tried to warn everyone about him, I guess no one listened!    From there it was simply a matter of hearing about what recently occurred and then listening to the current dive group...

Not sure why you are hostile Mr. allen_idaho potatoes and/or why your questioning is one sided, but hey, whatever floats your boat my dear   

I'll be out of town on holiday for a while, Happy Holidays!

["SideImagingSoft.com - Humminbird Side Imaging Forums"]

AtochaGirl, so basically, your information is nothing more than 2nd hand rumors or gossip.  

And you are all over the ReefDawg issue, but have yet to hear about Don Patterson not getting paid?

AtochaGirl, or should I once again say, Chris Gilcher, when referring to the brief (temporary) Captain and crew, is in fact talking about Greg Bounds and Gold Hound Treasure Company. The fact is, if she (he) was to tell the truth about this, they would also state that Greg and his crew left Seafarer because Kyle and Chris outright lied to them about payroll and the contract that was promised by Seafarer and never delievered.

As it stands. Seafarer poached (2) investors from Greg and to this moment, owe payroll monies to a couple of Greg's crew and another $5,000.00 to Greg himself. But in typical Seafarer fashion, they threatened legal action against Greg should he pursue all the monies owed. I have a copy of those (2) e-mails to Greg sent by AtochaGirl (Chris Gilcher - Chief Financial Officer of Seafarer Exploration) if anyone would like a copy of them.

How do I know this? I was there and present. In fact I worked with Greg and Company and couldn't have a higher respect for them or the time I spent working with them. They have nothing to say negative about me. I am on good terms with them as they are with me.

The only company and persons I have EVER had a problem with in this business is Kyle Kennedy, Chris Gilcher and Pelle Ojasu and the Seafarer Exploration Corporation as a whole.

Isn't it odd that you have (3) new members who have never been on this forum before lamblasting me for my opinion? I have been a member for over a year now. The same cannot be said for them. They are in fact all directly involved with Seafarer Exploration and were instructed by Chris Gilcher to state what they have above.

Again, this is just how they operate. And once again, after the lawsuit is filed, I will post all the documents online for all to see. Then, people can come to their own conclusion.

Good Job Reef, Thats the exact account i was told and i know its 100% True . Good for you Reef dont let them Sh t on anyone else .. 

Well, well, Reef Dawg again calling me a guy, and a financial expert to boot!  I've been called some interesting things before, however I'd prefer to be told that I'm the bees knees, but whatever!

As for the truth about Greg from GH and Seafarer, I heard that they had some disagreements and were cheesed off with each other, as happens in business, but to the best of my knowledge there are no lingering issues.   

I recall seeing e-mails that were sent from Greg to Seafarer that were not very flattering for Reef Dawg. Again, Sean Murphy is conveniently "forgetting" the truth. Reef Dawg, maybe if some of those e-mails were to turn up everyone would be able to see what Greg really said about you? Lo and behold, Greg had a disagreement with Seafarer but didn't go haywire posting lies about the Company on the Internet, probably because Greg is a pro.

I am now on holiday and will be out of town for a while, Happy Holidays to all! 

T

 

AtochaGirl, stop hiding behind a fake screen name. You've published my full name on here, so why don't you do the same? Afraid that you might be found out for what you are, or should I say, are not?

Why do you ignore certain issues that I brought up? Answer me that question. You know, as well does Kyle and Pelle that the lawsuit will finally expose Seafarer and their illicit investor practices. You've challenged me on here, so be a sport and let me know who you are. I'll call you as a witness in Court and you can help Seafarer. Gosh knows, they can use all the help they can get.

Did you know AtchaGirl, that to date, I have personally spent over $10,000.00 on medical expenses related to Seafarer and their not paying debts. Yes, the attack on me physically. Additonally, I have lost 50% of hearing in my right ear, 25% of my overall vision and suffer from periodic siezures. And by the way, in Kyle Kennedy's words, "Reef, don't worry, you took the brunt of that for us (Seafarer) and we'll make sure you're taken care of." I'm still waiting AtochaGirl.


You see AtochaGirl, the only ones suffering because of Seafarer's lack of morals or ethics is my children and myself. But hey, you know that. How's your Christmas going to be? I know mine will be a far cry from anything expected by my children. And you know what? I have every right as a Father and human being to go after Seafarer and everyone that sides with their tactics of doing business.

To me, I'd rather deal with the mob. They're at least straight forward and don't hide behind lawyers.

Mr. Murphy

First before you make your reply to me my name is Stu, Second I"m an investor in Seafarer, Third I have looked at this website from time to time and never registered because I enjoyed most of the subject matter but I never thought about posting; I do know one person that knows some Seafarer people you speak of and I made a couple calls and that is when I posted my first post to Tom about the deletion of all of the posts related to you and Seafarer. I also posted that i believe you had a axe to grind. I also did something else when I made my call to Seafarer. I asked could I visit the dive house in Jupiter since I was going on a vacation trip traveling down I-95. I also asked could I meet the current Captain and crew. I was told no problem that please stop and meet the crew and see the house and boats. It would seem the crew has a blend of treasure hunting experience( Current Captain has 23 years experience has worked the 1715 fleet and Keys wrecks), a veteran treasure diver that worked the 1715 site, a young college degreed female archaeologist/diver and two additional divers that are first time treasure divers but were very enthusiastic about the their jobs. I was given a tour of the boats and the house. Interestingly enough I just happened to mention your name to your former co-workers. Each and everyone of them made negative comments about all aspects of your skills to be Captain of this crew. They actually went into great detail with me on many occasions on a variety of subjects ranging from crew safety to your work ethic, etc. I don't think that you want many of these details to get out and honestly my impression of your former co-workers is that they would not want more info shared about you unless you continue to push your agenda! You think by making all these posts and threats you have hurt Seafarer well maybe or maybe not Mr. Murphy.  I do know from one short visit with your former co-workers that they have another opinion. You are trying to hurt them! Your five former co-workers are still part of that treasure hunting community and want to continue to be for a long time. As they said if you have a legal issue then leave it to a court to decide but stay away from the internet. I guess I got a whole lot more than I bargained for by this visit. All I wanted was a little side trip on my vacation and somehow I got into the middle of this thing. I would hope that you would really thing long and hard about this post. I hope when you are done thinking about this post that maybe your next post will read something like this one-

I apologize to all my former co-workers for problems that occurred during my employment with Seafarer and any problems I have caused any of you since my departure from Seafarer. I meant no harm to any of you on any issues that I have with my former employer and will in the future not post on any internet site concerning my issues with Seafarer.

Sincerely;
Sean Murphy

I hope that you really think long an hard about what you post next. As to me - this is my last post on the website. I"m going back to just checking out this site every so often like I did in the past.

Good Luck and Good Hunting to the Captain and Crew of Seafarer Exploration!

I'm going to go ahead and play the bullsh!t card here.

Seriously, why no names? And why the idle threats? And why the exact same threats previously used by your other persona? 

Who are these "co-workers"? Do they have names? Or are they as imaginary as you are? Geez. These "investors" in seafarer. I'm sure they are just concerned citizens. Right? 

This thread should be deleted. Its starting to sound like a mentalhospital.  

I agree on the thread deletion, I have never seen so many investors comment on one subject as this one has!

I don't agree the thread should be deleted. With over 4,000 investors, discussion should be had and made on Seafarer.

Anyone who holds a truth that others don't know, has the absolute responsibility to share their knowledge and educate those who are behind an investment shield. Ask yourself one question; how honest would I be if I let people invest in an interest that not only doesn't honor promises, but raises $2,067,000.00 and has yet to show any signifigant progress of any reputable sort? And more importantly, fires (2) auditing firms because questions arise on investor loyalty and current information?

And no, before it's said, it has nothing to do with lack of experience, it does however have to do with a wreck site that is awash in depth of sand and logistical problems very unique to Florida's East Coast. In some areas of that Juno Wreck Site, we faced over 50 feet of sand. With the limitations of vessel size dicatated by Florida Statute, it has become a dilema for very obvious reasons. A dilema by the way, I made Seafarer aware of while they were on the hunt for new investors and was told, point blank, if I valued my job, "I'd keep that bit of info hush, hush."

And to the so called "investor" that proposed an idea for a letter that I should write to Seafarer, really guy, give me a break. I was an honest, dedicated and fully qualified employee of Seafarer who bought into their line of crud and am now paying a very dear price for it in many ways to include looking at one of the most dismal holidays that I can remember. So no, the only apology that is owed either by writing or verbally should come from Seafarer to their investors.

Additionally, they had a chance on November 17th to be honest and make things right which they chose to ignore. Now being Irish, I will take the fight here, in Court and elsewhere until I recieve a judgment of clear and concise rightful action ordered by a Court of proper jurisdiction. Until then, I WILL NOT STOP TELLING THE TRUTH.

Excellent point, Dell. 

I don't think this thread should be deleted,Reef-Dawg has every right to voice
his opinions.
After checking out seafarer i for one would never invest with a company where
i would see absolutly no chance for a return on my investment.

Sounds as if their PR Department has gone into overdrive and recruiting their investors
to do their dirty work for them.But guys don't spend to much money trying to discredit
ex employees,because you haven,t got much left 

And have a merry xmas Reef-dawg and all.

chappy

Mr. Idaho and Mr Murphy- Although I planned not to post again I thought I owed you two answers and comments-

First Mr. Idaho- since the moderator did not like my strong language to the reply to your original post and deleted it I will answer your questions in nicer way-

1. You questioned that are you an investor. Yes I am - i have exactly 300,000 shares at this time. I know an investor that has more shares and he put me in touch with some of the people that Mr. Murphy speaks about constantly.

2. You questioned my comments on the crew calling them i guess imaginary- If you or anyone goes back to one of Atocha Girls posts she mentions the current Captain by name and one of the divers by name. These are two of of the five crewmembers that I met on visit to the house. I didn't think mentioning all their names is necessary. If you really want all their names ask your friend Mr. Murphy because I am sure he knows all of them.

3. You questioned my persona - most likely thinking that I am also Atocha Girl. I am not Atocha girl and I am an investor and what I said to Mr. Murphy in my original post was a favor to some very nice folks that gave me a tour and took the time to discuss the operations. These people are employees of Seafarer and I don't believe have anything to do with management with the company. They have paying jobs and all of them are very enthusiastic about trying to find treasure if it is there is some on this wreck site.

Mr. Murphy- You evidently did not read my post very closely. The post had nothing to do with Seafarer management. The post had to do with your former co-workers. Read the post a little closer again. I made a promise and I have fulfilled it. I can't tell you what to do and I don't know what your former co-workers may do if you persist on your postings but as for me I"m done with all of this stuff.

One more thing for everyone that reads these posts. Regardless if you think Seafarer has a treasure wreck site or not; I for one will support this new Captain and his crew in their endeavors.

Good Luck and Good Hunting to the Captain and Crew of Seafarer.

BigStu,

Apparently you believe that since the crew is just doing there job, I should just go away and forget all the wrongs Seafarer has done to me. In essence, they're innocent, so why penalize them with a lawsuit that can potentially sink the company. Well, I have some thoughts on that.

1) I in fact, was the one that hired that entire crew. I consider them friends and capable of doing the job they were hired to do. But, what you may have not been told sir, is that there is support of an indirect kind from them, and in each conversation that I've had with them on these subjects and the lawsuit, they have told me without reservation they believe I should, without guilt, pursue what I believe is just cause. I would add one disclaimer here, the only member of the crew that I have not talked to is the female member who is not an Archaeologist, but an Anthropologist. I can't speak for her opinion on this.

2) Seafarer does not have a current contract with the State of Florida as of November 4th of this year.

3) Seafarer does not have a current contractual agreement with the Admiralty Claim holder, Tulco Resources, LTD.

4) Seafarer, at this writing, has no licensed Captain. So, please stop referring to their "Captain." This title is reserved for those of us who have the training, experience and testing that is licensed and designated as such by the United States Coast Guard.

In closing BigStu, am I just to go away because you have a total worth of stock of $3,750.00 at current market value? I should just forget about the $12,000.00 that is owed to me by Seafarer? The other countless people should just fold up and forgive the debts they are owed by Seafarer?

C'mon, this is more than ego talking here. This has been years in coming, but Seafarer has been very effective in playing the "smoke and mirrors" game. And I would admit to one fault, I should have listened to the many people who warned me about Seafarer and "ran for the hills" when I had the chance.

For what it is worth, my sympathies and support lie with Reef Dawg on this one. It strikes me that he is telling the truth, and I agree with Dell that deleting the thread effectively accomplishes Seafarer's ends, though I think it is going to be a fine line for Tom and the other moderators to tread. I think this whole subject is of interest to a lot of us on the forum.

I also think that the so-called Atocha Girl should reveal his/her true identity. Otherwise I think I am going to believe that he is the person that Dawg says he is.

Mariner

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF BANNING ANY "NEW MEMBER POSTS" IN THIS THREAD SAY "AYE"

IT REALLY SEEMS THE "INVESTORS" ARE PROVING REEFS POINT

Am I the only one who finds it hard to believe ANYTHING ANYONE has to say regarding this topic?  It seems to be that many of these post are by "new members" who claim to have actively followed the forum for quite sometime, but never felt compelled to post something (on any topic before EVER) until this all started.  There are many long-time users like Mad4wrecks, Aquanut, Fisheye, ScubaFinder, PcolaBoy, etc. who have made many post on a wide variety of topics, and their post are entertaining, interesting and enlightening.  They are the ones that make this Forum what it is.  Does anyone else find it hard to believe that any of these people registered NOT to be productive members of the forum, but just to sling mud back and forth.  I mean when someone, (even it they claim to have been around for a while) has only 8 post and ALL 8 are on this thread, it leave me more than a little suspicious.  I mean come on man, at least make some half-hearted attempt to make in informative post on another topic besides this one!  You can't tell me all of these "new members" are not just signing up to sling some mud?

It appears to me someone got let go and is now disgruntled...and vindictive.  Where was the "truth" when he was an active member of the group?  At the same time I don't believe all these people that are attacking him, because they also have their own axe to grind.

My grandmother told me years ago..."there are two sides to every story...and somewhere in between usually lies the truth."

In this case I sincerely doubt either side is "squeeky clean" and to quote another famous saying..."those who live in glass houses, should not throw stones" which can also be akin to "let he who is without fault cast the first stone."

Anyway, just my two cents

GH
 
   

I'm quickly running out of Bullsh!t cards. Does somebody have any I could borrow? 

Hey Shortstack, why don't you go ahead and post whatever information you've got and stop with the threats? 

OMG !!!  Lawyers too?  Tom, take this thread down before the Clowns show up. Enough.

Alrighty then, sounds to me that everyone has said just about everthing that can be said on this issue, so I'm going to lock this thread down before it gets out of hand again. If anyone has anything new to add to this subject, that has not been said already just let me know.

Tom

I am in receipt of emails from the attorney that allegedly posted in this thread supporting SeaFarer Exploration. This attorney denies any knowledge of SeaFarer Exploration or ReefDawg. Those post have been deleted from this thread, and the individual who claimed to be this attorney has been banned. His email and IP address have been passed onto the proper authorities.
To the individual attacking ReefDawg under the guise of this attorney and his Law Firm, and for using TreasureNet to spread malicious and false information designed to destroy the character and reputation of Capt. Murphy.
Karma! wait for it...

Apparently Reef Dawg is thoroughly Disillusioned by the fact of just because a person has a Captains license ( a piece of paper received after taken tests) which he pasted which it makes you think your a real Captain.  A Real Captain is one who is confident in operating a vessel of any size without reservation of his or her abilities to safely motor a vessel to or from port to a location and or job-site, also having the confidence of his or her crew and motivating that crew to accomplish the goal at hand.  You refer to the current Captain of Seafarer has having no current Captains license, I have known that gentleman for 20 yrs. plus and he has thousands of miles under his belt and has worked with the Best of the business, Mel Fisher, Mo Molinar, John Brandon and many other and they would all tell you, that he is a Captain and has the ability to do it all out there on the ocean on any size vessel.  So before you put down the ability of others, Reef Dawg should check himself before he Wrecks himself, ability and experience says it all.   And to set the record straight Seafarer is on its way to putting the pieces of the Juno wreck together for All the World to See!!!!!    

  I have been staying out of this one but i feel i should put my 2 cents in. I was approached by Seafarer in 2008 to work with them. Kyle Kennedy and i spoke of merging Goldhound with Seafarer which at the time i thought was a good idea. I started trying to get their boat whipped into shape but it had been neglected for too long and was a mess. I brought in at least two investors into Seafarer that put in over $110,000.00 all because Kyle and i were supposed to merge and i wanted to show Seafarer that i was serious about working. Unfortunately Kyle thought that he didn't need me after he had the money and sent me a contract completely different than what we agreed to do so i walked away from them.
   I have no beef with Seafarer or Reef, i wish them all the best of luck.  I am not one to hold a grudge for long. As for the money Seafarer still owes me and my crew if they pay that's great but i already wrote it off as a learning experience.
   One more note about being a Captain.... Just because you took a class does not make you a license Captain. You still have to have time on a certain size vessel and be certified through the Coast Guard. I think for 100 ton you need minimum 720 days logged on a vessel over 50 ton...  oh yea, you can't have an arrest record either....
I'm sure if you checked, none of Seafarer's Captains have a valid USCG License......

[MAD4WRECKS]

MAD4WRECKS - There is no current lease between Tulco Resources and Seafarer Exploration. Additionally, there's no current contract with the State of Florida B.A.R. as I have spoken to Dan McLaren's office and they stated Seafarer's contract expired on November 4th of last year. As far as Tulco Resources goes, I spoke with Judd Laird on Thursday of last week and between the money he is owed by Seafarer and the language in the proposed contract, it is highly doubtful that Seafarer will continue on the Juno Beach wreck Site.

GOHO - You are absolutely right.

TREASUREFINDER - A condition that is paramount to Seafarer's commercial insurance is that they have a USCG Licensed Captain at the helm in their day to day operations. Rodney Grambo is a great guy. I have nothing bad to say about him and his background is equally impressive. But, he does not posses a USCG License as required by Federal Statute.

On November 17th, 2009, Seafarer received a letter of demand written under Florida Statutes, and, as they usually do, they ignored it. That is why the lawsuit was filed. The fact is, I never wanted to go head to head with Seafarer, but when I was hospitalized for a second time, they permitted people to access my apartment and it led to the theft of over $8,000.00 worth of my personal belongings, equipment and stock certificates.

Reef Dawg

Wow. Just when I thought this thread would be dead for good. Behold the resurrection powers of Wreckdiver.

And it looks like I was right. All of those new members up there were full of crap. And right when this thread reopened, you got another one. Yay.

Reef Dawg-

Haven't been on the site for awhile but I happened to take a look a few minutes ago and this subject can't seem to go away. Well it just so happened I had a chance to stop by the dive house again on my way to a football game in Miami last week. I saw some interesting video of Captain Rodney Grambo as a diver and Captain of the Virgalona and another treasure boat ( sorry can't remember the name) bringing up many treasure coins and items of jewelry when he was with Mel Fisher Enterprises and Blue Water Ventures. It appears that Rodney is not only a very experienced treasure FINDER but a very experienced TREASURE Captain and diver working for some of the bigger known companies in the business. So if he can be a Captain for them I would believe he could be Captain for Seafarer.  Seafarer must be very fortunate to have him now!

You again were mentioned in the conversation at the Jupiter dive house. Could you tell all of us how much treasure you found working for Seafarer? How much have you found working for anyone else? Who have you worked for in the past? How long have you been a Captain? If you really have a USCG license as you claim and others on this site have dismissed then go ahead and scan it and show it to everyone on this site?

You mentioned to treasure finder that you checked yourself into an hospital for some injury but many of the folks you worked with mentioned you checked yourself into St. Mary's in West Palm which I understand is a mental hospital. Did you indeed check yourself into this mental hospital and if you did what was it for?

You mentioned that you had $8,000 stolen from you from the dive house. Have you every filed a police report on this alleged theft? If you haven't filed a theft report why not?

To everyone that is looking at this thread. I had not planned on making a post but as I have said before the Captain and dive crew of Seafarer are very hard working honest people and don't deserve many of the things Reef Dawg has said including calling them all thieves!  Make no mistake none of these people are Reef Dawgs friends as he has said in past postings.

Now to my last point- None of my questions will be answered by Reef Dawg. He will talk about a completely different set up subjects or say the same things he has said in the past.  If he addresses the questions and tells the truth it would be the end of his little vendetta because anyone that reads this thread then will really know the type of person he is!  As for me I believe that I"m done as a poster but one last thought-

Good Luck and Good Hunting to Captain Rodney and the Seafarer Crew

You mentioned that you had $8,000 stolen from you from the dive house. Have you every filed a police report on this alleged theft? If you haven't filed a theft report why not?

To everyone that is looking at this thread. I had not planned on making a post but as I have said before the Captain and dive crew of Seafarer are very hard working honest people and don't deserve many of the things Reef Dawg has said including calling them all thieves!  Make no mistake none of these people are Reef Dawgs friends as he has said in past postings.

Now to my last point- None of my questions will be answered by Reef Dawg. He will talk about a completely different set up subjects or say the same things he has said in the past.  If he addresses the questions and tells the truth it would be the end of his little vendetta because anyone that reads this thread then will really know the type of person he is!  As for me I believe that I"m done as a poster but one last thought-

Good Luck and Good Hunting to Captain Rodney and the Seafarer Crew

But you are the one saying it, fake person.

All this crap you are talking about was not mentioned in any of Reef Dawg's posts. At all. (DELETED).   

And for such hard working folks, why are they always hanging around the dive house every time you come for a "visit"?

Hey Allen,

I"m not a fake person and (DELETED FOR VIOLATION OF FORUM RULES). if you happen to looked at the weather in Florida and the rest of the country it is cold and the ocean is not very hospitable for diving. The crew is at the dive house working on their three boats the day that I made my visit. The go out even in the winter when it is safe to go!  Mr. Reef Dawg has made comments about everything that I mentioned in my post so maybe he may want to answer or not!  So to use your language- (DELETED)! The Seafarer crew are very hard working but I"m sure you know nothing about hard work!

Have a nice day!

EDIT by WRECKDIVER1715

Awe, I upset the fake person.

The way I see it, you've got two options. Either you can join in other discussions beyond this one (DELETED). It's totally your choice, (DELETED). Even though this seems to be the only reason you are here. So I won't hold my breath.

EDIT by WRECKDIVER1715

 

[BigStu]

BigStu - You have admitted here, in this forum, that Seafarer is in fact operating illegally. Without a permit, and without a contract with Judd Laird, and no on-site Archaeologist, they are not permitted to be on the Juno Wreck Site. You stated that they work even when it is cold. If this in fact is the case, and taking into account that their permits lapsed with the State in November, then you sir are party to Seafarer operating outside the guidelines of the law. This was one of my contentions. Thank you for admitting it here on this public forum.

As I have said before, Seafarer believies it can do anything it wants to do, and is beholden to no one. They are doing more damage to the industry and its image then anyone who has come before them. It's just that I chose to stand up to them and sacrifice a lot to make sure the truth is known.

As of yesterday, January 13th, my fiance' and I are being "blackmailed" by a Seafarer associate and have had our lives threatened should we continue to take legal action against them. We have recorded messages that specifically state "that we're dead and don't even know it yet."

So BigStu, are you also part of these threats? I'm sure the Police would love for you to come forward and tell all that you know.

Here we go again........ 

Wait, why was "fakie" deleted? I don't get it.

["SideImagingSoft.com - Humminbird Side Imaging Forums"]

Hey, how did you get my family picture? 

Mr. Reef Dawg,

I have no idea what you are talking about! The day I visited the dive house and spoke with the Captain and crew as I stated it was cold and they were working on their three boats. I have no idea about the permits or anything. The only thing that I know for sure is that they were all at the dive house that day working on the boats. So do not make statements about what you think I said and did not. I was there for part of a day and that was it.

To: All Interested parties that are posting and looking at this thread. I would like all of you to look at my orginal post on January 13th , 2010 at 5:12 pm. I asked Mr Reef Dawg some questions that I"m sure many of you would like to know the answers too? I also said in my post that Mr. Reef Dawg would not answer the questions and that he would post and answer  my post with a completely different set up subject matter than my questions. If you read his latest post on 1/14/2010 you will see the point that I tried to make with my post on the 13th. Now maybe a lot of the people will really understand what and who Mr. Reef Dawg really is.

Thank You Mr Reef Dawg -

Good Luck and Good Hunting to the Seafarer Captain and Crew

Hawaiian spears at 10 paces.
'nuff said.

Seafarer is a development stage company that is attempting to build and grow a business

(read: we have never done this before, but we would like to be doing it, somewhere in the future)


that is focused on the archaeologically-sensitive exploration and recovery of historic shipwreck sites. Seafarer has previoulsy devoted a portion of its efforts on developing the necessary infrastructure to explore a historic shipwreck site located off of the East Coast of Florida..


(read: we allocated a portion of your invested money on building whatever, instead of using it to do what we aim to: finding a wreck and excavating it)


Seafarer is currently attempting to renew/update the permit and agreement for the site off of the East Coast of Florida, off of Juno Beach in northern Palm Beach County, and hopes to be able to continue to explore this site later in 2010 (For organizations that are fortunate to have been granted a recovery permit by the State of Florida there is a standard annual renewal process that may take several weeks to several months or longer, however there is no guarantee that a recovery permit will be renewed).

(please note the "wing and a prayer approach" and the use of the following terms: "attempting", "hopes", "may", "there is no guarantee", etc.)


The summer months are generally considered to be the prime exploration and recovery months on the East Coast of Florida.


(read: since "there is no guarantee that a recovery permit will be renewed" we might be sitting idly all summer long)

It may be possible to perform some limited exploration/recovery operations on a year round basis

(this is the deal, folks: it MAY be POSSIBLE to do LIMITED exploration/recovery operations on a YEAR ROUND BASIS....)


however several issues including inclement weather/rough ocean conditions, lack of financing,  permit/agreement renewals periods, etc. may hamper year round operations.

Read: eventually, any other issues may cause operation disruption - the alignment of Saturn with Neptune, the average savana temperature during the summer months in Angola, and basically any other issues besides lack of financing and permits)

During down times such as the winter months, Seafarer's personnel may, among other duties, spend time reviewing site plans, maps, charts, and other related information and perform maintenance, cleaning, and testing on Seafarer's vessels and equipment.

(read: we will be doing everything else except being out there either looking for or excavating a wreck).


Seafarer is also currently reviewing other interesting potential historic shipwreck sites  that have been presented in an effort to both diversify operations and locate additional sites that may have signficant opportunity although there are currentlyt no specific plans to explore another site.

(read: please invest with us. Although we do not have plans to go and  work another site, we are wasting our time and your money by reviewing sites we won't be working at all because we do not have plans for them)



Are these guys for real? If I said that to my employer I would be fired on the spot!

[BigStu]

BigStu - How utterly convenient, since my lawsuit has now been filed, that Seafarer has finally decided to tell their investors and potential investors something accurate taking into account they have been soliciting capitol knowing full well, that since November of last year, they were not legally able to do so.

So BigStu, if as you contended above in your previous posts, that MY information was false, why then did Seafarer change their information on their website to reflect exactly what I have been saying for months now? Didn't the investors deserve the truth last year as I said?

SWR - Drama? There is no one on this earth, more than my family and I, that wishes this so called "drama" would stop. I can personally say, I have never seen so many desperate acts on the part of a Company (Seafarer) to discredit and ruin a person with such low down tactics. It is however, totally consistent with a Corporation that has had one of their high ranking employees turn of them because of improprieties committed and brought public by the employee as a matter of ethics and good conscience. The internet is full of stories of "whistle blowers" who came forward thinking they were doing the right thing only to have their lives turned into shambles by behemoth corporations with capitol behind them using intimidation, threats, slander and spin to meet their objectives in discrediting the "whistle blower." Just ask Ralph Nader what he went through.

Alexandre - Your response was probably one of the most accurate accounting's of the language used in Seafarer's disclaimers that I have ever seen. Tremendous summation. And, many kudos to you for taking the time to do it.

Wow! Hot Topic!! I guess I've been missing all the excitement here on T-net. Ya'll should have called me to log on sooner an read this stuff....

Hell with a reality show.... this "Soap Drama" is a Prime time hit.

Apolla

APOLLA! You made it back from Florida safely. AWSOME! How was the vacation?

Wow, your comment is so true. It's a real shame though. Truth be known, I wish people had the ability to settle things without becoming litigious. God knows I tried harder than anyone to resolve this, but arrogance of others sometimes outweighs the rational decision making process.

And trust me about one thing, even if the cameras were rolling, people would think the show was scripted. LOL

Yep... I made it back! Got a great tan too. I missed the showdown on Tnet though.
Darn it! You guys are an ornery bunch of saltys. I see the BIG GUNS had to be called in to referee this topic. Tisk Tisk... ya all woke the moderator up!
LOL!

Apolla
 

Alexandre, show me the money The only thing Hot here is Apolla
Ossy

Reef dawg,

When your case is over and done with weather you win or lose you should write a book or produce a movie about how your former treasure company misled investors.In the meantime i will sit back and watch with my bag of popcorn.

[TREASURE HUNTING - WHAT A WRECK]

Too funny Fisheye! LOL

By the way Fisheye, I already have a book in the works, it's title is;

TREASURE HUNTING - WHAT A WRECK

  LOL

FISHEYE.... I got the big screen TV. Who doesnt LOVE POPCORN?! Party at my house if it ever makes it to the NETWORKS! Leave your guns and your eye patches at the door... MAD4WRECKS you can have the the lazyboy.  
Cheers!

We can show reefs movie at my house.I have a bigger screen,10 foot by 12 foot at my house in a sunken living room with no windows that has a HD lcd projector with dolby surround sound.I even have the fiber optic lighted steps going down into the room just like at the movie theater.And i have a lazy boy too.Its great watching pirate e d movies here:)

Dang! Look at u.. a real steven spielburg there with your own home theatre.  Ok...I'll come but someone please invite  diverlynn so I'm not the Only female in room. I want to meet her.  I'm not counting on our mysterious atocha girl to win any beauty pagents at your party either! Sorry. Call it Apolla. intuition but the avatar screams male!
 

[FishEye]

OK FishEye, I just got off the phone with Apolla and she promised a Red Carpet at the premier. Now, the only other thing I ask is that someone set me up on a blind date with AtochGirl. LOL

 

Hey Apolla, I'm there! Your right I am sooooo tired of being the only b-och at the party! Been keeping my head down for a while but still in the picture, but barely. All the drama and testosterone is dragging me down.

  diverlynn

Diverlynn...u r my hero! My greg (goho)thinks u r awesome. I've been dying to meet you someday. I've followed all your posts..even your bout with cancer. I was praying for in silence. You rock! 

Reef,

Im sure i could dig up a long red carpet somewhere but what i herd from the grapevine was that Atochagirl is a dude that looks like a lady,sure you want a blind date now,lol.

Apolla
Thank you (and Greg) for those kind workds.
Wow! Why? Never been a hero before just a tomboy growing up with 2 older brothers and a Dad all being "gear heads". As you see below that kinda rubbed off on me too. I've been working on this for 3 years now and still not finished.

I now wish I had included TN on my last 3 trips to Peru and the other 4 surgeries. All is well now and moving on but when my finances come out of shock I want to buy an apartment in Lima near all my friends there, I fell in love with Lima the first week. I am taking my 2 boys there in July and then on to Machu Picchu for another kind of adventure.

I know we are way off subject, will end it now.

Next time your coming south drop by New Smyrna Beach, I'm right off the interstate.

diverlynn

Lynn..don't worry bout being off topic. The GLobal Moderator is now a personal friend of mine. (Wink wink). Its a nice break from the Seafarer saga. Which by the way is about to heat up again I think.

Now that is a nice car. They just don't have stingrays for sale in my area when I'm looking. That's why I'm working on a 69 Impala and a 74 Charger instead.

Here's what I started with.

DiverLynn... We got more in common than u think. I see we women have great taste n American Muscle cars! I got me a Candy Apple Red Anniversery edition Z06 Vette. Manual I might add... ! I think my Vanity plate fits right in with this Seafarer topic don't you?!! How appropriate. LMAO!

hehe

Well... Now that we showed our REAR ENDS to the entire T-NET ...do you think the global moderator is gonna kick us out?! ROFL!  Did we commit a T-net No-No??! Whooops!

Sorry... Please sincerely forgive Diver Lynn and Me for Mooning ya'll with our toys!

We love you!!!

Apolla and Diver Lynn!

lol! Good one Apolla. So much for the term "chick" magnet,... "macho man" magnet?
Not the first time I showed my Arse.......
Apolla, we got to get together and have some fun...Lord knows I need it.

DL

 Even my wife couldn't get mad at me for looking at those rear ends 

Heres a pic of my 63 vette that i restored in 1979.60 coats of vette red laquer wet sanded in between every 4 coats.The vette was a basket case when i bought it for 500 bux and the rear left quarter was missing.A friend had one the same year so i used his car for a part to make the mold for my 1/4.The girl on my vette was one of my body shop helpers.I sold the vette for 45k at a car show in 1981.My body shop name was newington coachworks in virginia,south of springfield.My ex partner still runs the shop there.

Fisheye...Wow! Thats a nice Vette. Bet yawish ya kept it..I just saw the Antique muscle car auction on TV last week and all the Vettes were going for 6 figures. No lie! I was in shock. I didnt realize the money in them. I drive mine since it was a gift and Im a strong believer of use it or lose it. I live south of Springfield btw... depends on How south. We talking Manassas or Fredricksburg? LOL! Thanks for sharing that pic. Im sick of looking at boats! lol!

Did that hood ornament come with the car? 

The money i got from the vette i used to buy a house here in florida plus opened up another body shop that i ran till 1994 then the prices of materials went sky high,plus i got tired of working on other peoples junk.Now i just work on my own toys.My shop in virginia was in newington industrial park.I lived in mt vernon next to georges house on the potomac river.

Did that hood ornament come with the car? 

What car?

A gift??? I need to find better friends!

  DL