Anyone know what these letters stand for on this pin...? UPDATE Pic of back

Any help would be appreciated.....Thanks.......
It's about the size of a penny
The back is a screw type ( complete )

ACSM.... American College of Sports Medicine?  Just a guess.

ACSM.... American College of Sports Medicine?  Just a guess.

That could be a possibility since they were founded in 1954...
The newest coin from the area was a 1957

Frog - your response sounds very possible.  I am wondering though, it that first letter an "A"?  I don't see a distinct cross line for it.  It almost looks like the symbol for pi although I am probably wrong.

Doug

I guess I see the Pi but maybe I can learn something about the other letters of the Greek alphabet because I dont see them in this monogram.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma


Are there any manufacturers marks on the back? Can we see what the back looks like?

[You're right BigC, it's late and I was mixing the 2 alphabets together. There are 2 Greek letters: Pi and M for Mu. Everybody forget what I said . . .lol . . better yet, let me delete it. Thanks Big C, Breezie]

I guess I see the Pi but maybe I can learn something about the other letters of the Greek alphabet because I dont see them in this monogram.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma


Are there any manufacturers marks on the back? Can we see what the back looks like?

You're right BigC, it's late and I was mixing the 2 alphabets together.  There are 2  Greek letters: Pi and M for Mu.   Everybody forget what I said . . .lol . . better yet, let me delete it.  Thanks Big C, Breezie

I do enjoy trying to help identify old pins like this.  

I knew that wasn't an A up top, but the Pi didn't click in until Breezie spoke.
I agree with BigCy, it's likely Pi and then the English Alphabet. Ok, Ok American alphabet  
 
Maybe the star represents a cross and the CS letters stand for Catholic School.  

The 8 holes in the perimeter of the pin, to me, say 'engineering' .

Mike

I see it but Im not so sure its a Greek Pi. That is Turtlefoots idea. I dont know what it is.

With the "M" and the Pi together I keep thinking something to do with mathematics.  I came up with the Canadian Mathematical Society but haven't found anything to coneect the pin design to it.

I think this style of ornate acronym device is earlier than the 1950s.  We see this style of lettering on transportation buttons, old locks, and other items from the last quarter of the 19th c.


 

 pi then SMC -- compass 4 ways --N, E, S, W

USMC -- compass 8 ways --N, ne, E, se, S, sw, W, nw

Or a decorative 4-pointed star with a bunch of holes for attaching the piece to something else.   

[I have 3 theories:#1 There are 2 Greek Letters: the Pi and the M, which is Mu. There is a Pi Mu Fraternity for Computer Science, which would explain the CS. This frat is an academic fraternity and not a social one, which would explain the 'plain jane' looking pin. Most social fraternities/sororities have jeweled 10K pins.#2 Using the one Greek letter of Pi, maybe it is a MATH & COMPUTER SCIENCE club named 'Pi,' which would be a dandy name for a math club, and the "M" stands for Math and the CS for Computer Science.#3 My third theory is the pin is upside down, and it reads: WSU which would be Washington State Univer. or Wayne State Univer. or any other college or club with those initials. Theory #2 makes the most sense to me. Breezie]

I have 3 theories:
#1  There are 2 Greek Letters: the Pi and the M, which is Mu.  There is a Pi Mu Fraternity for Computer Science, which would explain the CS.  This frat is an academic fraternity and not a social one, which would explain the 'plain jane' looking pin.  Most social fraternities/sororities have jeweled 10K pins.

#2 Using the one Greek letter of Pi, maybe it is a MATH & COMPUTER SCIENCE club named 'Pi,' which would be a dandy name for a math club, and the "M" stands for Math and the CS for Computer Science.

#3 My third theory is the pin is upside down, and it reads: WSU which would be Washington State Univer. or Wayne State Univer. or any other college or club with those initials.

Theory #2 makes the most sense to me. Breezie

[I have 3 theories:#1 There are 2 Greek Letters: the Pi and the M, which is Mu. There is a Pi Mu Fraternity for Computer Science, which would explain the CS. This frat is an academic fraternity and not a social one, which would explain the 'plain jane' looking pin. Most social fraternities/sororities have jeweled 10K pins.#2 Using the one Greek letter of Pi, maybe it is a MATH & COMPUTER SCIENCE club named 'Pi,' which would be a dandy name for a math club, and the "M" stands for Math and the CS for Computer Science.#3 My third theory is the pin is upside down, and it reads: WSU which would be Washington State Univer. or Wayne State Univer. or any other college or club with those initials. Theory #2 makes the most sense to me. Breezie]

I have 3 theories:
#1  There are 2 Greek Letters: the Pi and the M, which is Mu.  There is a Pi Mu Fraternity for Computer Science, which would explain the CS.  This frat is an academic fraternity and not a social one, which would explain the 'plain jane' looking pin.  Most social fraternities/sororities have jeweled 10K pins.

#2 Using the one Greek letter of Pi, maybe it is a MATH & COMPUTER SCIENCE club named 'Pi,' which would be a dandy name for a math club, and the "M" stands for Math and the CS for Computer Science.

#3 My third theory is the pin is upside down, and it reads: WSU which would be Washington State Univer. or Wayne State Univer. or any other college or club with those initials.

Theory #2 makes the most sense to me. Breezie

If the pin is upside down, then the "C" would be backwards.  Even though "WSU" would yield more possibilities for an ID, I think the orientation of the item in the first photo up top is correct.


-Buckles

[Bob, Bless your heart! I read music and play several instruments, and I've never seen anything like the letters on your pin that resemble music notes. Breezie]

                                          Last-ditch Effort

     It's got to the point where I feel like that kid, Kevin, in the movie "Home Alone,"   
     where he says, "I'm eating junk food! Somebody better come and stop me!"

The junk food I'm referring to is the slim possibility of the M and other letters being connected to musicial notes? I know, you don't have to tell me not to go away mad, but to "Just go away!" I'm doing that right now! And as for my Magdalen College theory, it's still in the works, but looking less likely by the second! A guy just can't get any respect these days! That is unless it's a Magdalen College School merit badge for someone who was a math geek and who was also a member of the band/chior?

Thanks.

Respectfully,

Bob

Bob, Bless your heart!  I read music and play several instruments, and I've never seen anything like the letters on your pin that resemble music notes. Breezie

Looks a lot like logo's from Michigan Agricultural College but I can't find one that has the "S". Maybe some of you guys can find it. MAC goes back to the 1840's so it may be pretty old.  

http://www.cqql.net/mac.htm

When I searched C.S.M.A. this is what came up- Community School of Music and Arts in Mountain View Ca. and it was founded in 1968. This might not be it, but maybe?

Wolverine.

 AMSC is used to designate "Applied Mathematics, Statistic, and Scientific Computation" in the university programs.  Could be possible that it is from a society for the major from a college , then the A looking like Pi would make some sense as well.

[This goes along with my #2 theory:#2 Using the one Greek letter of Pi, maybe it is a MATH & COMPUTER SCIENCE club named 'Pi,' and the "M" stands for Math and the CS for Computer Science. I believe it is some type of 'club' or 'non-social fraternaty' pin. Breezie]

AMSC is used to designate "Applied Mathematics, Statistic, and Scientific Computation" in the university programs.  Could be possible that it is from a society for the major from a college , then the A looking like Pi would make some sense as well.

This goes along with my #2 theory:
#2 Using the one Greek letter of Pi, maybe it is a MATH & COMPUTER SCIENCE club named 'Pi,' and the "M" stands for Math and the CS for Computer Science. I believe it is some type of 'club' or 'non-social fraternaty' pin.  Breezie

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but I don't think we can solve this one by sheer guesswork.  Why?  Well, first off, I think we've got a 4 letter combination here rather than 3 and a Pi symbol.  A S C M in some combination.  That gives a total of 24 possible combinations.  Can we determine the order of the letters? Not really.  I've included 4 photos below of artifacts with script letters.  If you go with the first letter being on top and the other letters under it, the gold medallion would read C M M.  You can see from the inscription that this is incorrect.  Likewise the second artifact would read P L C.  Actually, this is a fob for the Lehigh Portland Cement Company.  Can we use the size of the letters to determine the sequence?  Again, no.  The third relic would read A G R in that case.  Unfortunately, many of you probably recognize it as a button for the Grand Army of the Republic.  In fact, we can't even be sure the letters have a lot to do with the organization they represent, at least not as we would recognize it.  The fob in photo 4 is a good example.  It clearly shows A A A on the front.  So is it an advertisement for the American Adlib Association or something similar?  No, it's really an advertisement for E C Atkins & Company.  I have no idea why they used A A A as their symbol.  Can we find the true source by Googleing all 24 combinations? Not unless you have a lot of time on your hands.  When I searhed Yahoo for LPC, I came up with over 11 million hits just on english speaking websites.  Of those, only 70 were related to the Lehigh Portlanf Cement Company. 
     So what can we tell?  Well, the pin is small, about the size of a penny.  That would seem to rule out hat badges or anything larger.  I'd guess something along the lines of a lapel pin would be more accurate.  Also, it's a screwback, something that's not used very often unless the object is intended to stay in place semi-permanently.  I think we can put the age of the pin back to at least the early 20th century just based on the script lettering and the ground patina.  The four ponted star may also help with the ID because it has certain religious ties to Christianity although that's not a safe bet.  I just saw the same design on a lighted wall fountain and it had no significance at all.  Another option may be to look into one of the letters being a state name(such as A S C of Minnesota of M A of South Carolina).  I hope this can be ID'd, but I think we'll need someone who's seen this before to do so.

just had to add this. this group likely is not too old in my opinion to have updated their logo from our mystery pin.

The Scottish Complementary Medicine Association

I hate to rain on anyone's parade, but I don't think we can solve this one by sheer guesswork.  

Amen.    Unless you can guess the lottery numbers.

Were looking at a mid to late 19th century monogram and we need a pic of the back.

Thanks all for trying...I have been searching for a design all over but still haven't found one yet....
I had to break away the screw thing to see the letters / name on the back. I didn't want to but I had no choice.

It says  JEWEL EMBLEM CHICAGO

I googled it but it wasn't any help.

Thanks all for trying...I have been searching for a design all over but still haven't found one yet....
I had to break away the screw thing to see the letters / name on the back. I didn't want to but I had no choice.

It says  JEWEL EMBLEM CHICAGO

I googled it but it wasn't any help.

Im sorry you broke it but thanks for the new clue.

I found some convention ribbon pins for sale on eBay that have the Jewel Emblem of Chicago mentioned as being 1920's but the pic wont come up.   http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:Mtq5yPjRAGcJ:cgi.ebay.ph/ws/eBayISAPI.dll%3FViewItem%26item%3D380148109221+%22jewel+EMBLEM%22+CHICAGO&cd=16&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

I see CSA.  I am by no means saying that this stands for Confederate States of America, as I think it is much later than that, but it is stylized very similar to the pics below, especially the bottom one.

Here is a logo I found very similar, but with no attribution of what it went to, stood for, or where it come from.


Here is a Confederate logo that the link wont pull up, just an image search thumbnail.

I see CSA.  Not Confederate CSA but just a CSA logo.

Here is a logo I found very similar, but with no attribution of what it went to, stood for, or where it come from.

I think you are on to something. I never did believe that it was the Greek letter Pi. Good work Cheyenne.

It may be CSA or SCA or ACS or ASC or CAS or SAC or .....    

Put the A at the end for Association, America, Academy, Authority or Agriculture and it narrows it down a few thousand combinations lol. But Im just guessing. Ill put my money on CSA or SCA, now that we have this good detective work by Cheyenne.

                                               Reminder ...

                                         Don't forget the "M"

                                                 

[A]

                                              Reminder ...

                                         Don't forget the "M"

                                                  

There is no M, Bob, IMO. Its the bottom half of the A. Look at the pics that Cheyenne posted.

And BTW there is no Pi or lily. Its the top half of the A.

Sorry about Magdalen College. It was a million to one longshot.

                                               Reminder ...

                                         Don't forget the "M"

                                                 

There is no M, Bob, IMO. Its the bottom half of the A. Look at the pics that Cheyenne posted.

Yes I believe that the "A" runs from the top to bottom of the piece.  Entwined monograms can be confusing to sort out.

                                               I disagree!

     The top of my "M" is pointed and doesn't connect to the upper letter/symbol

I acknowledge 72cheyenne's "A's" having the V cross ... but I honestly believe it's still open to interpretation!

                                              I disagree!

     The top of my "M" is pointed and doesn't connect to the upper letter/symbol

I think its underneath part of the S intertwined. Like Cheyenne said these old monograms are very confusing to sort out.  I also think its more likely that an old  monogram will be made up of letters not symbols. I think its solvable now.

just throwing in a few cents worth.... why not C. S. Am   (america?) like 72cheyenne pictures support. on the flag! wow!

bigcy (always) and 72cheyenne (fantastic locating pictures) amazing work!

     I'm just moving the photo down so I don't have to keep scrolling to the top.

there's a consideration if the A "cross" bar was straight it would conflict with the S crossing. so leans to it being an A?

WAG!!!          

     I'm just moving the photo down so I don't have to keep scrolling to the top.

great idea moving that down....
just want to say that any posts deserve everyone's thanks!!!  never know when one persons extreme ideas may help anothers! 

                                              I disagree!

     The top of my "M" is pointed and doesn't connect to the upper letter/symbol

I acknowledge 72cheyenne's "A's" having the V cross ... but I honestly believe it's still open to interpretation!

i tried drawing a cross bar 'v' that did not have a point where it connects to the 'S'. in this case it made the lower half look like an 'M'. so i would think if they wanted it to be an 'M' they would have chose a 'flat top' 'M'. designating more so an 'M'

     

     I'm just moving the photo down so I don't have to keep scrolling to the top.

Thank You   LOL

I appreciate all the thoughts that are going into this....I myself have looked at least 100 different sites and combination for the letters... This one is going to  stump me.....

If it was only easy.......

I cant believe we cant find more on the Jewel Emblem company in Chicago.

         [/quote]  What are we looking for? It looks like a LV to me.


         Check out the link I posted. That's all I have to go on at the moment.

I'm referring to the ACS monogram reference at the top of the page, and to the similarity of the star-shaped motifs on the wallet/coin purse itself.

    From web page  >>  ACS Monogram Snapped Billfold & Coin Purse M61652

                    Does anyone know what the ACS means in this case?

 http://www.bagwow.com/monogram-snapped-billfold-coin-purse-m61652-Designer-2583.html

                                      Here they are together;

Thanks

SDBB

Gettin closer.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aanewzealand/3093701240/

72 cheyenne------that's amazing......i repeat!!!!         

                                             I realize that!

     I'm just trying to shed light on the fact that ACS has different meanings!

  At this point we're not even sure that ACS is the right combination of letters!

Please forgive me for suggesting that I may not be the only one out on a limb here!

I think Cheyenne is on a Yahoo image search that I am not familiar with but his search key words appear to be "ACS badge". So yes many ACS logos will appear. But if its not an antique looking logo, its no use posting it. We could post a million pictures. I believe we can safely say that this monogram looks mid to late 19th century up until early 20th. The "Jewel Emblem" company of Chicago was in business at least until 1926, if my eBay link is the same company. This is not a modern emblem pin. Its at least 75 years old.

found this on a site:          http://www.abbreviations.com/acronyms/MUSEUMS/2

ASC     Adventure Science Center
SAC     Sussex Archaeological Collections

and found these on this site:         http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/abbreviations.htm

ACS is an abbreviation for American Chemical Society
ACS is an abbreviation for American College of Surgeons
ACS is an abbreviation for Association of Commonwealth Students
ACS is an abbreviation for Additional Curates' Society
ACS is an abbreviation for Automobil Club der Schweiz

ASC is an abbreviation for Army Service Corps
ASC is an abbreviation for Accredited Standards Committee

CAS is an abbreviation for Chinese Academy of Sciences

CSA is an abbreviation for Confederate States of America
CSA is an abbreviation for Celestial Sensor Assembly
CSA is an abbreviation for Computer Sciences of Australia

SAC is an abbreviation for Strategic Air Command
SAC is an abbreviation for Senate Appropriations Committee
SAC is an abbreviation for Spin Axis Controller
SAC is an abbreviation for Sun Angle Counter

SCA is an abbreviation for Schipperke Club of America
SCA is an abbreviation for Science Clubs of America
SCA is an abbreviation for Screen Composers Association
SCA is an abbreviation for Senior Citizens of America
SCA is an abbreviation for Shipbuilders Council of America
SCA is an abbreviation for Society of Consumer Affairs
SCA is an abbreviation for Speech Communication Association
SCA is an abbreviation for Stock Company Association
SCA is an abbreviation for Suez Canal Authority
SCA is an abbreviation for Switzerland Cheese Association
SCA is an abbreviation for Synagogue Council of America

i'm on my way out the door. i deleted a bunch because of subject matter compared to age of pin.

I thought I better report in. I didn't want anyone thinking I fell out of my tree... well, not yet anyway. I'm still hanging in there! And if any of you are blurry eyed like me and have run out of letter combinations to research, try these. I just stumbled onto them but don't have the time to investigate right now. Maybe a wild goose chase, and maybe not. 


                                          CSA = Cub Scouts of America

                                 MCS = Michigan Central Station  ... Detroit

                               (There I go throwing that "M" in there again!)

I thought I better report in. I didn't want anyone thinking I fell out of my tree... well, not yet anyway. I'm still hanging in there! And if any of you are blurry eyed like me and have run out of letter combinations to research, try these. I just stumbled onto them but don't have the time to investigate right now. Maybe a wild goose chase, and maybe not.  


                                          CSA = Cub Scouts of America

                                 MCS = Michigan Central Station  ... Detroit

                               (There I go throwing that "M" in there again!)

Its good to see you are still searching. Check them out to see if they had old monogram logos.

            I'll delete this if/when someone would be so kind as to answer it.

Is it just me, or did the pages on this topic all of a sudden get super wide?

                       The other Tnet pages are fine and standard size.                  

         I don't recall doing anything to cause it. Any suggestions or "fix it" tips?

                                                         

Thanks.

Bob

They were for me too...now there normal
Control -     will make it smaller
           or
Control +    will make it bigger

Someone that posted has a large screen.

I thought I better report in. I didn't want anyone thinking I fell out of my tree... well, not yet anyway. I'm still hanging in there! And if any of you are blurry eyed like me and have run out of letter combinations to research, try these. I just stumbled onto them but don't have the time to investigate right now. Maybe a wild goose chase, and maybe not. 


                                          CSA = Cub Scouts of America

                                 MCS = Michigan Central Station  ... Detroit

                               (There I go throwing that "M" in there again!)

CSA = Cub Scout of America

Pins is too old it would say BSA for Boy Scouts of America.

I cant believe they dont have the American Cancer Society on the ACS list.    http://www.probertencyclopaedia.com/N1ADD.HTM

      You're probably right ... the Cub Scouts didn't offically start until around 1930.

            I'm just fishing, and keep changing bait to see if I can get any bites.

Thanks.

SDBB

P.S. My page is still "huge," and have tried without success to reduce it.
But thanks for the suggestion anyway. I guess I'll just have to live with it.

Screw back should make it a hat or collar pin but does not exclude any of a lot of applications.  Saddle tag, maybe on the handguard of an old gun?

Letters seem discernable enough, having a star motif lends itself ot the notion of some LEO consideration.  Perhaps detective agency of which there were many during the most likely period of this pins manufacture.

Simple answer, item is a unique piece, perhaps part of a set made for an individual of means as this was not uncommon in the same era.  Here's a shot of my gold watch chain with the picture box that has the individuals initials on it.  It came with the 1887 gold turnip watch he recieved, yeah it's mine now!

Thanks Lowbatts :  Interesting information.

(If your handle suggest "low batteries," I can relate to that!)

If I may be so bold as to suggest what we really need here is an "EXPERT" familiar with how to properly read script of this sort. I know there is a basic formula of some kind, but personally don't have a clue what it is. I even Googled it under "Writing Experts" kind of stuff, but as yet haven't found anything substantial enough to report. If we could just nail down the proper lettering sequence, someone would likely identify it lickity-split! The only thing that comes to my mind is that an old-timer antique dealer told me once that they are read from the top down. Yah, right! And where is he now when I need him most?

      Is there a doctor ... er, I mean a Reading and Writing expert in the house?

SDBB

[I'm not a writing expert, but I do know in USA, we read from #1 Left to Right, then #2 Top to Bottom, BUT when you have a club pin, neither has to apply. In monograming, the larger letter is generally the last name, and it is placed in the middle; ie. John K. Doe jDk BUT, if the monogram letter are all the same size, it reads from left to right . . .BUT, again, in the case of a 'club' pin, there is not necessarily any rhyme or reason. Until somebody finds the exact pin, I'm going with Pi Mu Computer Science club.Breezie]

I'm not a writing expert, but I do know in USA, we read from #1 Left to Right, then #2 Top to Bottom, BUT when you have a club pin, neither has to apply.  In monograming, the larger letter is generally the last name, and it is placed in the middle; ie. John K. Doe     jDk  BUT, if the monogram letter are all the same size, it reads from left to right . . .BUT, again, in the case of a 'club' pin, there is not necessarily any rhyme or reason.  Until somebody finds the exact pin, I'm going with Pi Mu Computer Science club.Breezie

               I promise this is the last one today unless I find something solid!

I totally respect, thank, and understand Breezie's point about there possibly being no rhyme or reason to it, but just for the heck of it I'm delving into ...

                   Top to Bottom (based on lower left stacking)  =  ACS

If you never hear from me again with something "concrete," then you'll know what I found!

Thanks to all.

Bob

P.S. I'm beginning to think I'm the only one on this topic anymore, and that the rest of you have moved on to greener pastures!

Google Books -

Patterson's American educational directory, Volume 29 (Google says this is 1922 but the cover page looks to read 1932)



Also a restricted book:

Official gazette of the United States Patent Office, Volume 345 1926
http://books.google.com/books?lr=&cd=11&id=eiigAAAAMAAJ&dq=%22jewel+emblem%22+chicago&q=%22jewel+emblem%22+#search_anchor

Jewel Emblem Mfg Co., Chicago Ill. Class pins and finger rings, emblems, lodge pins etc.  212,019 (??) Apr 20

I haven't had much luck so far in searching the patents for any additional info.

There are a few other references in Google books -i.e. that they made some items for the American Veterinary Medical Association and for the American Society of Municipal Engineers etc.

Great work. Some more clues for SodaBob.

How do you copy that page, if you dont mind me asking?

I think we can date this in the 1920's to early 30's.

[Way to go Bramble! Breezie]

Way to go Bramble! Breezie

Gee, thanks alot bigcy:

Now all I need is for someone to come up with a list for all the schools in the Chicago area between 1920 and 1940, not to mention the various clubs, etc. My initial search already uncovered there were at least 12,000 school "districts" statewide in Illinois during the depression. And if the pin was custom ordered for a specific individual - no way! I might row this boat for a while longer, but after that I'm heading for shore and seeking dry ground!

                                Here's the tid bit I pulled up earlier.
                                 (Referring to the depression era.)


              Illinois was nevertheless plagued by one of the country's worst
              educational crises owing to the high level of tax delinquencies, an archaic
              tax structure, and the large number of school districts, 12,000 altogether,
              many of which were too small for economical operation.

SDBB

            P.S.  I forgot to ask for the proper order the letters are supposed to read.
                      Was that ACS - CAS - SAC - CSA , or what? I forgot!

  

thanks Breezie!   I really hope someone can solve this one but it's quite the puzzle.

Bigcypresshunter - I copied the page by a screenshot.  I do it this way - line up your view and hit the "print screen" button on your keyboard.  Go to "Paint" and then "Edit" and "Paste" The screen view will show up in the Paint program and you can save it as a pic/.jpg.  After that I usually crop it to edit out the screen edges.

Bramblefind:

I know your instructions were primarily for bigcypresshunter, but I wanted to thank you as well for the info. I always wondered what that  ...

Prt Scrn  key was for. Now I know!
Sys Rq

SDBB

I don't want to hog all the fun to myself, so here is a link to a list of 128 Chicago Public Schools. Most of which are grades 9 thru 12.  I haven't even looked at academies, clubs, etc. yet.  

http://www.cps.edu/Schools/High_schools/Pages/HighschoolsIndex.aspx?Type=1&Filter=CPSSchoolGrade=High%20school

SDBB

I don't want to hog all the fun to myself, so here is a link to a list of 128 Chicago Public Schools. Most of which are grades 9 thru 12.  I haven't even looked at academies, clubs, etc. yet.  

http://www.cps.edu/Schools/High_schools/Pages/HighschoolsIndex.aspx?Type=1&Filter=CPSSchoolGrade=High%20school

SDBB

Dont forget to stick to the 1920-1930 era.

Bramblefind:

I know your instructions were primarily for bigcypresshunter, but I wanted to thank you as well for the info. I always wondered what that  ...

Prt Scrn  key was for. Now I know!
Sys Rq

SDBB

What does it do? Mine doesnt seem to do anything.

now open paint or a graphics program and right click, choose paste
or go here and get this app and snipp just what you want, and do with
it what you want, save or paste
http://www.filehippo.com/download_winsnap/tech/

hope it helps

I lined up my view, hit the "Print Screen" key ... pulled up Bramblefind's latest link, fooled around with everything for a while, and the only thing that happened is my little dog Pete came running into the room and growled at me!  

But don't give up on me yet! I'll figure it out eventually. But the question I have to answer first is, "Do I really want to figure it out?"

Thanks, guys ... good info.

SDBB

Geez ... I can't even keep my names straight!  I meant cw0909's link. Where'd Bramble go?

  

Big Cy- 

You will need to explain every step to me as I am self taught computer and not that good with it.

#1.  Hitting "SHIFT" and "PRT SCR" at the same time will copy the entire screen as a picture into memory.

#2.  Open paint, and "paste" the picture you just made to the paint program.

#3.  Edit as appropriate.
___________________________

This post has 99 responses and only one post has been usefull - bramblefind narrowed the possible date.  Nice work.

If your computer has a "Prnt Scrn" button in white, then you don't need to hit shift or control.  Just hit Print Screen.

When you open Microsoft Paint, just hit Cntrl and the letter "V" and it should paste the screen right in as a jpeg.


-Buckles

If your computer has a "Prnt Scrn" button in white, then you don't need to hit shift or control.  Just hit Print Screen.

When you open Microsoft Paint, just hit Cntrl and the letter "V" and it should paste the screen right in as a jpeg.


-Buckles

It will paste the entire screen? OK Ill try that too.  Thanks.

I think my problem was I didnt know where to put the curser to Copy the entire page before I Pasted..

bigcypresshunter -

I just wanted to let you know that your PM Inbox is full and will not allow additional messages.   You must be a popular guy. I do know that you probably have the best batting average on Tnet. They should start a new catagory called ... "Hall of Fame," for those that solve the most "What Is It's?" I suspect your name would be at the top of the list!

SODABOB

PS   Sorry about the multiple post ... it wasn't me! I kept repeating because it wouldn't post. I see now that they did  

P.S - P.S.  Okay, I'll do some deleting too, but don't delete the print screen stuff. That's useful to me and others. After all, isn't treasure hunting about "Discovery?"

PS - PS - PS  I usually do what is requested of me, which includes going back and deleting 80% of the junk I posted earlier. But just for the record, I'll never do that again! It isn't that big of a deal! Probably 80% of every post on this entire website should be deleted. From now on I think I'll just continue to be myself, have fun, and not worry about who yells at me!

Respectfully,

SODABOTTLEBOB

Ok I removed most of my unnecessary posts and I even got the page back to fit the screen. Its no longer 2 pages of clutter.

Chicago Academy of Sciences
  
Founded in 1857 and chartered in 1865, the Chicago Academy of Sciences was guided in its early years by Robert Kennicott and William Stimpson, close collaborators of an early leader of the Smithsonian Institution. The academy, with one of the best natural history collections in America, built a museum at Wabash and Van Buren, but its exhibits, collections, and library were destroyed in the fire of 1871. The academy rebuilt and lost its building during the economic turmoil of the 1880s.

 After renting space for several years, the academy built the Matthew Laflin Memorial Building, opening in Lincoln Park in 1894. This relationship with the park district formed the model of capital and operating support for museums which has been the foundation for Chicago's unique Museums in the Parks arrangement. The academy pioneered ecological dioramas, loan boxes for schools, a forerunner of the modern planetarium called the Atwood Celestial Sphere, and the use of still and motion photography in the documentation of natural history. However, by the mid-1930s, these leadership positions had been overtaken by larger or specialty organizations. The academy languished as a museum but flourished as a research institute during the 1940s and 1950s. In 1958 William J. Beecher began a process of renovation of building, exhibits, and programs. Fueled in part by post-Sputnik funding, the academy became known as a site for teacher training and as a home for the growing environmental movement.





                           1930s Chicago Academy of Sciences - Chicago, IL Postcard

 

With regards to your pictures, DP BOB, the front view shows a round (?) piece of something behind the pin (seen where I placed red dots on the pic below) but the picture of the back shows no such item?  Did you remove a piece of the pin for the photo of the back?  Maybe I'm not seeing it right...

Sorry folks, I just couldn't resist sharing this link with you. I spent the last hour thumbing through it and just barely scratched the surface. I realize this may not be the best place to post it, but my recent search for a possible identification to the "star shape w/circle back" on the item in question led me to this site. I believe the shape(s) are intentional and in some way tie into the whole scheme of things. The star/circle shape may even be associated with something religious or divine, and possibly even scientific, loosely resembling the infinity symbol.

If you don't agree this is one of the most intriguing sites you've ever seen, post your comments accordingly and I will remove it. Who knows, it may even be of some use for future "What Is It?" topics.

        For those not familar with the term "Alchemy," the definition I like best is ...

"The power or process of transmuting a common substance, usually of little value, into a substance of great value." (Like trying to turn lead into gold).

In layman terms it is the process or philosophy of attempting to turn nothing into something.                                        
                              (Which I seem to be quite adept at lately).


The best stuff is in the "Galleries of Coloured Emblems" where you will find hundreds, if not thousands of facinating images. Just click on the "297 individual emblems" link and this will get you started.

                             http://www.alchemywebsite.com/index.html

I hope you enjoy it.    

Sincerely,

SODABOB

P.S. -  To bigcy   "Keep hunting! You never know where the rabbit will jump out next!"       And thanks for the page size reduction. I won't even ask how you did it. Just keep up the good work.  

[S]

Where is the Alchemy part where we can learn to turn lead into gold?

While the Chicago Academy of Sciences fits, did you find an old monogramed school logo? I dont think were going to solve this one without a list from Jewel Emblem or if someone sells one on eBay, but keep trying. It could be a School, College, Academy, Club...  and I think you are on the right track searching Chicago schools with 3 letters on the 1920-30 era. This has become a tough one.

With regards to your pictures, PB BOB, the front view shows a round (?) piece of something behind the pin (seen where I placed red dots on the pic below) but the picture of the back shows no such item?  Did you remove a piece of the pin for the photo of the back?  Maybe I'm not seeing it right...

[ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ]

Good observation. I think BPBob removed something from the back and it broke. I would like to see it myself. We need every clue we can get to ID this item.

           I'll remove this in a minute ... but its DP Bob ... not BP Bob

OOps... thanks, I knew that and mistyped it...

The back was a round screw on thing with little barbs...It disintegrated and all that is left as you see is the thread part.

With regards to your pictures, DP BOB, the front view shows a round (?) piece of something behind the pin (seen where I placed red dots on the pic below) but the picture of the back shows no such item?  Did you remove a piece of the pin for the photo of the back?  Maybe I'm not seeing it right...

[ ERROR: SPECIFIED ATTACHMENT MISSING ]

It broke apart trying to see th letters on the back

Chicago Academy of Sciences
 
Founded in 1857 and chartered in 1865, the Chicago Academy of Sciences was guided in its early years by Robert Kennicott and William Stimpson, close collaborators of an early leader of the Smithsonian Institution. The academy, with one of the best natural history collections in America, built a museum at Wabash and Van Buren, but its exhibits, collections, and library were destroyed in the fire of 1871. The academy rebuilt and lost its building during the economic turmoil of the 1880s.

 After renting space for several years, the academy built the Matthew Laflin Memorial Building, opening in Lincoln Park in 1894. This relationship with the park district formed the model of capital and operating support for museums which has been the foundation for Chicago's unique Museums in the Parks arrangement. The academy pioneered ecological dioramas, loan boxes for schools, a forerunner of the modern planetarium called the Atwood Celestial Sphere, and the use of still and motion photography in the documentation of natural history. However, by the mid-1930s, these leadership positions had been overtaken by larger or specialty organizations. The academy languished as a museum but flourished as a research institute during the 1940s and 1950s. In 1958 William J. Beecher began a process of renovation of building, exhibits, and programs. Fueled in part by post-Sputnik funding, the academy became known as a site for teacher training and as a home for the growing environmental movement.





                           1930s Chicago Academy of Sciences - Chicago, IL Postcard

 

I think that this is what the pin was made for....

It was found in Wheeling IL by an old 1 room school house long gone.....Unless someone can come up with a design to say otherwise... I still am going to search more into it....
I really think this site and the people on it are so friendly and helpful.....
For lack of words You are all fantastic people for trying so hard to help me.... I THANK YOU......ALL  ............." DP BOB "

DP BOB

Thank you for the recoginition of the "Chicago Academy of Science" as being a possible candidate for your most puzzling pin.

However, I strongly believe it is still open to interpretation. I agree the letters match, but other than that, that's about all we have to go on. It could still be something else! And until someone provides more definite proof, I will be the first in line to say it is not a "solved" identification yet! I will continue to search, as may others, but likely won't be back until such time (if ever) that I have something more concrete. But we all know that I've said that before, and even I never know where the rabbit will jump out next!

                   It's your thread and your pin, so you make the call.

                      Thanks again. It's been an interesting search.

Respectfully,

SODABOTTLEBOB  

                                       I told you I'd be back!

                  Here's another connection to the letters in question!

                                              A - S - C


Alpha Suffrage Club
  
The passage of the Illinois Presidential and Municipal Suffrage Bill in the summer of 1913 offered African American women in Chicago the opportunity to merge their social welfare activities with electoral power. This was primarily due to the creation of the first and one of the most important black female suffrage organizations in the state and the city, the Alpha Suffrage Club. Established in January 1913 by black clubwoman and antilynching crusader Ida Bell Wells-Barnett and white activist Belle Squire, the club elected officers, held monthly meetings, claimed nearly two hundred members by 1916, issued the newsletter the Alpha Suffrage Record, and endorsed candidates. The club is most recognized for its pivotal role in the 1915 election of the first African American alderman in Chicago, Oscar DePriest.


     P.S. I'm a little confused on the dates of operation for the Jewel Emblem Co.

       If someone wishes to clarify this for me, I would deeply appreciate it.
 
And please show documentation (if available) to substantiate it. Thanks a million!

SDBB


 

Thats interesting you have found something that includes a Greek word Alpha. I searched a little but couldnt find their old logo. I did however find other monograms with the letter A.  Im missing the S, but notice the A is very large, the same size as the other letters and looks sort of like the Greek Pi on top. But its obviously an A, not a Pi and M.

                                

bigcy -

      I don't care what the neighbors say about you! You're alright in my book!

   And what about the Jewel Emblem dates? Were they in operation prior to 1922?

              Keep digging! Victory is near! My Hillbilly nose can smell it!

Thanks.

SDBB

Using the location the pin was found I looked a little into the history of the schools in the area.  I found a lot about the Central School in Mount Prospect, District 57 which I think incorporated a portion of the Town of Wheeling.  If that is an "M" then there is possibly "M" Mount  "C" Central "S" School.  I keep looking at the "pi" part and thinking I can make it be a "P" for Prospect.

Here is a site about it:

http://www.yourcentralschool.org/dist_57.htm

BUT ... Here is something else I just found on that site which interests me:

 Tobin was a master salesman. He organized the Home/School Project into Achievement Clubs. All children, when they reached the age of ten, could join. The club at each school would meet every other week for a business and social function. An eight,star pin was given to each member. Whenever a student project was completed, the student would receive a stone which was placed in one of the star's eight points. When all star points were filled, the student was given special recognition.

I believe these clubs started around 1900 so maybe by the 1920s they expanded it a little and the single 8 point star became a 4 point (the holes on the points for stones) and then 8 surrounding (the holes on the edge for stones).

Maybe the letters are for "S" School "A" Achievement "C" Club.

Ack!  I miscounted- the pin has eight holes!  I think maybe this fits!

              Just doing my job and keeping things tidy by moving pics down.

                          I'm pretty easily confused these days!

                    And just when I was convinced it wasn't an "M"

                                                   

Im convinced its not an M. Study the last 2 monograms I posted. If somebody can find one monogram anywhere in the US that has a Greek Pi on it, intertwined with the other letters, than I will think about it. I dont think it exists.

Also study old monogramed M's of this style.  They are different on top.

They had to make the A skinny to fit on the 4 pointed "star." Thats why the legs of the A dont spread out like these examples.

No I don't think it is an M anymore either.  i think it is an "A" for Achievement.  I think it is an Achievement Club pin.  The "S" could stand for School or I have been just digging to see what school districts there are in Cook County that begin with an S.  I found 6 on the present district site:

Summit, Skokie, Schaumburg, Sunnybrook, Sandridge, Steger..

It is the eight holes on the pin that convince me but I can understand if you all need more convincing 

I like the eight hole, (one for each stone) theory. But still scratching my head how the stones might have mounted/fit into the holes. Which, I guess, opens a whole new "Pandora's Box" for someone to research. Additionally, if it is a student type of merit pin, (which I believe it may be), it looks like our particular student wasn't very industrious, and either didn't get any stones or else lost them while he/she was playing hooky.


SODA"PLAYING HOOKY"BOB     

Bingo!

I had my doubts but you have found a match. Good work!    All we/you need to do now is find the School, Club, Academy, Seminary or College. Maybe its a Catholic School?

                                         BRAVO!

        Now all you have to do Mr. Phelps, if you choose to accept this mission ...

                    is to indentify the particular school it came from and ...

                                            But Wait!
 
                        The race is on for who can find it first!

                              Great Job! My hat's off to you!

     (Perhaps later you will share with us where you found that information.)


                                 SODA"RACER"BOB  

        Correction:  Oops! Sorry! ... I ... er ... ah ... meant ... "Mrs." Phelps!

              But going to keep my original post. It's funnier that way!

                                                

 Also, thanks for the link to the AAA. I've been meaning to give them a call anyway!

[S]

That would be Mrs. Phelps 

From what I can gather the Achievement Clubs were a Cook County public school creation.  I am just looking into it but I think it is possible they could be specific to the area of Achievement.  I.e this could be a something like a  Sewing Achievement Club pin... maybe... Or they could be specific to the school.  I wonder if a local historical society might be able to identify it. 

here's the link to the Achievement Pin pic:

http://books.google.com/books?id=OjcwAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA14-PA29&dq=%22achievement+pin%22+stars&cd=1#v=onepage&q=%22achievement%20pin%22%20stars&f=false

[S]

Actually now that I think about it I saw a reference to a Sewing and Cooking achievement pin.  So maybe it is a Sewing and Cooking Achievement pin.

I'll dig it up again...

This is from The Daily Herald (Chicago) June 4, 1929

Just for fun, we probably all agree it would be nice to find a photo of the actual pin, even if it's with different lettering. But so far I haven't found zilch! And to give those of you who have just come on board an idea of what to expect, on eBay alone there are 250,000 individual items listed under "Pin!"  Of course, the more you narrow it down the smaller the numbers get. For example; 2700 items under "Old Pin!" But if the person selling it doesn't know exactly what it is they have, (like we were a short time ago), then who knows how they might list it ... Pin? Badge? Old? Antique? School? Military? Achievement? Merit? Star Shaped?  Etc, etc, etc.

And I say this not to discourage anyone, but rather with the hope that before I post this someone will positively ID it with whatever club, school, organization it came from, which usually happens when I enter a post like this. But the closer I get to the end of this paragraph, the more likely it seems that others are having the same problems I am.

And if you feel this is way too much information that has little or nothing to do with a solid identification, I say it because;  (1.) I'm a newly enrolled Alchemist.  (2.) I know Bramblefind or one of the other pros will come through for us, thus concluding this thread with a green check mark, and that will be that! So just consider this as a final goodbye except for the kudos that I suspect will soon follow.

                                      Good luck and thanks to all!

                                             SODABOTTLEBOB



              Bramblefind -
                                        Here's your gold star for a job well done!  

its absolutely amazing what bramblefind and bigcy have discovered.
 
going with one post of bramblefinds where he quotes from a site
Modified here---(she i mean--sorry! i knew this from just reading the posts today---but duhhhhhh! anyway) thanks for telling me 

"Tobin was a master salesman. He organized the Home/School Project into Achievement Clubs. All children, when they reached the age of ten, could join. The club at each school would meet every other week for a business and social function. An eight,star pin was given to each member. Whenever a student project was completed, the student would receive a stone which was placed in one of the star's eight points. When all star points were filled, the student was given special recognition.

I believe these clubs started around 1900 so maybe by the 1920s they expanded it a little and the single 8 point star became a 4 point (the holes on the points for stones) and then 8 surrounding (the holes on the edge for stones).

Maybe the letters are for "S" School "A" Achievement "C" Club."

hit it on the nail. i support its a generic school achievement award. couple of reasons from bramblefinds posts.
1.it was a social program for schools in the area, cook county.
2.they met for social gatherings
3.they went from 8 to 4 point star. emblem jewelry was around.
4.just very cool brambefind found so much detail.

  to Bramble & BCH!  You need a pin for YOUR achievement!  Way to go!  Breezie