KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

TJ, the psychic treasure hunter, has an unfair advantage over those relying on metal detectors.

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I wish my metal detector was psychic and could point out CHIGGERS! Brownwood TX is covered with them, so at certain times of the year it is impossible to dodge them.
One interesting find I made a few years ago south of there was in a tree! The old WWII Camp Bowie training center is probably the source of the shell embedded in the tree about 7 from the ground.

Fran

Okie, now back to the topic that I started which is "KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas".  Perhaps you would like to quote yourself, from your own blog, when you made a statement about turtle signs and carvings.  That is one of the things that I must say you are correct about.  I won't quote you but will give you this opportunity to re-state what turtle signs indicate.  Oh yes, this does have a lot to do with the topic.

Thanks for reading the blog Jay! http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/
 
We try to be as helpful as we can!!

Why not quote the blog? You'll want to make sure that you you look at (and quote) that information in context and not make it into something it's not.

What about all the other folks pretending to be Bloody Bill? There was even a guy in British Columbia at one time claiming to be Bloody bill and he even had pistols with Bill's initials on them and letters from Bill's mother. Maybe he was the real Bloody Bill?

Then again, maybe not, maybe Bloody Bill actually died when history says he did.

Ron, you say:  "...There was even a guy in British Columbia at one time claiming to be Bloody bill and he even had pistols with Bill's initials on them and letters from Bill's mother. Maybe he was the real Bloody Bill?..."
Surely, you will quote the source of this "other Bloody Bill" claim.  Personally, based on thousands of hours of combined research of our group's members, I think you are full of it.  Even our adversaries, the Smokescreen Gang, has never made such a wild claim.    
~Texas Jay

Sorry Jay, my bad, I was thinking about William Quantrill, not William Anderson, you are correct this time.

Ron, you say:  "...There was even a guy in British Columbia at one time claiming to be Bloody bill and he even had pistols with Bill's initials on them and letters from Bill's mother. Maybe he was the real Bloody Bill?..."
Surely, you will quote the source of this "other Bloody Bill" claim.  Personally, based on thousands of hours of combined research of our group's members, I think you are full of it.  Even our adversaries, the Smokescreen Gang, has never made such a wild claim.    
~Texas Jay

Did you miss my message on June 9th ? Just in case, here was my question:

"Could you provide a link to this OR record you quote?"
  "W.M. Anderson, Sr.'s son was a "Bill Anderson" too but he was killed in September, 1864 by Yankee soldiers in Waynesville, Missouri according to the War of the Rebellion Records"




Fran Bolton

Okie, now back to the topic that I started which is "KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas".  Perhaps you would like to quote yourself, from your own blog, when you made a statement about turtle signs and carvings.  

Why not quote the blog? You'll want to make sure that you you look at (and quote) that information in context and not make it into something it's not.

What about all the other folks pretending to be Bloody Bill? There was even a guy in British Columbia at one time claiming to be Bloody bill and he even had pistols with Bill's initials on them and letters from Bill's mother. Maybe he was the real Bloody Bill?

Then again, maybe not, maybe Bloody Bill actually died when history says he did.

See these life and death photos of Bloody Bill:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Blood...MysterySolvedGroup/?yguid=344154903
And:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/h3JbgbGRucM" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/h3JbgbGRucM</a>

The death photo was taken shortly after he died in ambush in Oct 1864, the life photo probably soon before, it appears he has on the same hat, his hair is the same length. May he rest in peace, as he deserves.

Fran 

Sorry Jay, my bad, I was thinking about William Quantrill, not William Anderson, you are correct this time.

Yes, Alec, our group discovered that story about Quantrill shortly after I started our group four years ago.  I figured I would just let you figure your mistake out on your own.   

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/KK/vbk1.html

~Texas Jay

Well thanks Jay, I'll be the first to admit I'm not perfect and don't know everything there is to know but a lot of what I do know I try to share. Keep reading the blog!  http://okietreasurehunter.blogspot.com/   

It's too bad you're not willing to share the alleged info you have about the KGC recovering Spanish treasure in Texas and then re-hinding it as their own.

I too used to believe those stories, and stories is really all they are since no one will provide any proof of it actually happening. As I have said before, it seems all of the true believers apparently have all of this evidence proving that what they say is true but nobody wants to share.

If you are actively working a site I cetaintly wouldn't want you to give up a location or any information that would lead someone to the site but let's get real here, none of the KGC true beleivers ever wants to share any of these secrect documents and proof that you all seem to have. I would say that if this "secret" information is that prevalent that so many of the true believers have it then some other researchers would have found it or if the information is that secret, then there wouldn't be everybody and their dog that believes in the KGC that would have it. It just can't be both ways.

I am a new member and have been researching a mysterious Brown County, Texas resident who was known to have ridden with Quantrill's Raiders.  My grandmother used to tell me stories about him as we passed his big old farmhouse in the 1960's.  When I read the Brewer book, "Rebel Gold", these memories resurfaced and I realised there was a very good possibility that some of the KGC caches or even a depository may be in this area of central Texas.  The farther I get in my research the better that possibility seems to be.  While I am a veteran metal detector hobbyist, I am quite new at this KGC thing so I am hoping that some members here have some information regarding possible KGC treasures in the Brownwood, Brown County area of Texas.  Brownwood is located 90 miles southeast of Abilene and 140 miles northwest of Austin.  I would certainly appreciate any information you might share with me on this topic. 

Where can the original photo of William C Anderson ( mysterious Brown County, Texas resident, above) that you posted in Topic #105 Posted Jun 09, 2010, 04:26:17 PM, be found?

Fran Bolton

Frontier Times, 1928, about Colonel William C. Anderson of Salt Creek:

Read the bottom of this ad for the article about William C. Anderson.

http://www.frontiertimesmagazine.com/0328.html

~Texas Jay

Frontier Times, 1928, about Colonel William C. Anderson of Salt Creek:

Read the bottom of this ad for the article about William C. Anderson.

http://www.frontiertimesmagazine.com/0328.html

~Texas Jay

And the source for this article about William C Anderson?
Could it have been the 1924 Henry Fuller newspaper interview, that Fuller tried to research and prove AFTER it was printed?
He says of the interviewee's story:
"There is a mystery here someplace, let's unravel it."

 Before arriving at the conclusion this interview, and therefore the Frontier Times article, proves William C Anderson of Brownwood TX was actually Bloody Bill, one must first conduct a reasonably exhaustive search for all pertinent information. This means locating several different sources for the same information, to give one the best chance at arriving at a well-researched, substantiated conclusion.
What those who read the interview article need to do is locate and document  different sources that will confirm the information gleaned from the 1924 newspaper interview, before they can say it proves William C Anderson was not William C Anderson, but William T Bloody Bill Anderson.
Without that search, and those sources, the newspaper interview gleanings are an unproven tale, and the mystery remains a mystery.
With a reasonable search for all pertinent information, this timeline compariosn of the two men's lives, with sources, was created:

http://unclebilly.texas-heartland.com/WCA_Bio.html

Proving the article and the newspaper interview was a Tall Texas Tale.

Fran Bolton

Hey Guy’s …I did not know where to ask this question…Have any of you had trouble with a compass changing direction when you were looking for KGC treasure..An internet friend in Texas has been asking me this  question and I do not have a clue as to what could cause this to happen..Thank You..Art

Hey Guy’s …I did not know where to ask this question…Have any of you had trouble with a compass changing direction when you were looking for KGC treasure..An internet friend in Texas has been asking me this  question and I do not have a clue as to what could cause this to happen..Thank You..Art

Hi Art.  My partner have used a compass quite a bit in our searches of probable KGC treasure locations and have not encountered any problems like you mention. 
~Texas Jay
http://bloodybillanderson.webs.com

The only thing that could move a compass needle off heading would be a large chunk of ferrous metal disrupting the earth's magnetic field.  Of course, a cheap compass with a weakly magnetized needle wouldn't act too well, either. 

Thanks Guys…If something is happening I just wanted to know about it…Art

Hey Guy’s …I did not know where to ask this question…Have any of you had trouble with a compass changing direction when you were looking for KGC treasure..An internet friend in Texas has been asking me this  question and I do not have a clue as to what could cause this to happen..Thank You..Art

Several times we have observed a compass being pulled off of the cardinal directions. It is usually at a "sitting" or "viewing" place in conjunction with s/s telling you to go a certain direction. We believe you should go in the "new direction" the compass is showing you but use the distances if giving. Sometimes you can get a M/D signal at this spot and dig down and find the rock that is causeing the disruption....it may be marked. If you just remove the rock, and follow the s/s you are most likely headed down a "False Trail".  What a great way for them to leave s/s but keep the true direction hidden from most everyone?

Oddrock

Thanks Oddrock for the information…I am just an old guy that can not get out very often…So I do a lot of Map Dowsing for others. When I run across something different I can not help unless I can come up with the right Questions. You have given me a start with how and what to ask…Thank You …Art

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The bottom line is that you are quoting our group's most ardent paid enemies who are known as the "Smokescreen Gang".  Dozens of our members have thoroughly investigated Bloody Bill Anderson for over 4 years now and we have proven that William C. Anderson was the one and only Bloody Bill Anderson of Quantrill's Guerrillas.  I hope you don't expect me to argue each of this discredited gang's points over again on this forum because I will not.  I will say this and that is that, yes, the Smokescreen Gang does stalk me everywhere I go on the Net.  Why don't you quote the name or names of the people you quote in your message, SWR?  Are you afraid that I will reply with the truth about each and every one of them?  We've not only thoroughly investigated Bloody Bill Anderson but we've also investigated each member of this gang of liars.
~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

Just for the record, define "Investigated"

Fran Bolton

Okie, as you noted elsewhere, a treasure map (fake, no doubt) is offered on e-bay for only $1,000,000, and a fake photo of Jesse Woodson James for the same absurd price.  The seller lives in Liberty Hill, TX, the home of the author of two books about Jesse Woodson James, who falsely claims to be his great-granddaughter.  The subject of JWJ has been banned on the James Genforum, and on Delphi forums, so the publicity hungry author is forced to look elsewhere for publicity, and hopes to attract attention with these ridiculous prices on e-bay.

Rollie, as the subject of Jesse W. James is alive and well on some delphi forums, just not the one controlled by Gay Mathis.  The author you speak ill of is a regular participant there.  
~Texas Jay
http://bloodybillanderson.webs.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery - the subjects of Jesse W. James, Frank James, Quantrill, Bill Anderson, and even Billy the Kid and other "outlaws" have been discussed and thoroughly studied at our group freely for over four years.

http://www.tshaonline.org/handbook/online/articles/KK/vbk1.html  - Handbook of Texas Online article for the Knights of the Golden Circle.

Okie, as you noted elsewhere, a treasure map (fake, no doubt) is offered on e-bay for only $1,000,000, and a fake photo of Jesse Woodson James for the same absurd price.  The seller lives in Liberty Hill, TX, the home of the author of two books about Jesse Woodson James, who falsely claims to be his great-granddaughter.  The subject of JWJ has been banned on the James Genforum, and on Delphi forums, so the publicity hungry author is forced to look elsewhere for publicity, and hopes to attract attention with these ridiculous prices on e-bay.

A COPY of a map is listed for sale at $1 million, complete with directions added to it not on the original. No returns, no guarantee it will lead to gold worth claimed to be worth $7.4 million.
Question, why would the seller of the COPY of the map settle for $1 million, when the seller could reap the full $7.4 million??
Who has the original map? Isn't IT the one worth $1 Million, if either is?
Can a person legally sell a copy of someone else's property?

Who owns the land the map leads to?
Millionaires did not get in that category without doing their investment homework.

Fran

I've seen the map and the code that goes with it. While I don't remember $30,000 in gold I do think it is a real treasure map, but I don't think it was Jesse James. I've seen too many of his maps and this one doesn't look like his work.

Let me clear up a few of Rollie's misstatements here.  He is not a member of William C. Anderson's "extended family" but I am. My great uncle was Bill and Missouria Anderson's son Storm Anderson and was married to my great aunt Letha Longley Anderson who I knew very well until she died in 1979.  I have never said anything demeaning about William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson.  I've always held great admiration and respect for this Southern hero and for the words he said to Henry C. Fuller in 1924 where he admitted being the Guerrilla leader known as "Bloody Bill Anderson" and, thus, totally separated himself from any notions that he was a member of the family Rollie and Sally claim is theirs - the Stone County William M. Anderson, Sr. family.  W.M. Anderson, Sr.'s son was a "Bill Anderson" too but he was killed in September, 1864 by Yankee soldiers in Waynesville, Missouri according to the War of the Rebellion Records.  I don't believe I ever called this man a "chicken thief" but the soldiers who killed him said they did so after his small gang had committed petty theft by stealing something like a hundred dollars and some clothes.  ha.  So, I've called him a "petty thief" as that is what I consider him.  
~Texas Jay
http://bloodybillanderson.webs.com  - here is what William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson told Brownwood Banner-Bulletin staff writer Henry C. Fuller in 1924.  Remember, these are not my words.  They are the words of the man who they wrongly claim was "related" to them.  

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Texas Jay, to put it bluntly, you are intellectually challenged, or morally bankrupt, incapable of acknowledging the truth; all bluster and no facts.  My great-grandmother, Harriet Anderson married Israel Clements, who was tax assessor of Brown County in 1858.  They are both buried in Roberts Cemetery in Brown County, as are 4 of their 5 children, including my grandmother, Texana Clements Petty.  Harriet's father was Moses G. Anderson, first county clerk of Brown County.  Her sister was Martha Elizabeth Anderson, who married William C. Anderson.  The father of William C. Anderson was William M. Anderson.  William M. Anderson, Moses G. Anderson, Samuel Anderson of Stone County, MO, were sons of Noble Anderson.

You don't have the faintest idea of the identity of the Bill Anderson killed in Waynesville, MO., do you?  Where is your proof that it was William Anderson of Stone County?  Just another of your many erroneous suppositions.  William C. Anderson of Stone County, and 3 of his brothers were in Brown County, TX, in 1864.  Do a little research before you make these irresponsible claims.

William C. Anderson did not confess to anything.  William T. "Bloody Bill" Anderson was killed in MO in 1864.  Nobody knows what, if anything, William C. Anderson told Henry C. Fuller.  The entire fictitious story of the ambush may have come from the vivid imagination of Henry C. Fuller.  If you know as little about treasure hunting as you do about the Anderson family, you will be lucky to to find your way home at the end of the day.

Good luck on your search for KFC treasure!!

It is you, Rollie, who fits your own description of me.  I suggest the webmaster delete your message which is a wholly uncalled for personal attack of name-calling directed at me.  I can prove my relationship to Letha Longley Anderson (Storm's wife) by DNA.  Yet, you cannot prove that William C. Anderson was the son of your William M. Anderson, Sr. by the same undeniable means.  Why don't you stop making personal attacks long enough to explain why you won't disclose the results of the DNA tests that you and your gang conducted over a year ago that was supposed to prove all the windies you tell in your message below?  At the time, you all boasted that they would prove that William C. Anderson of Salt Creek was the son of your William M. and not the son of Bloody Bill's father who carried the same name of "William C. Anderson".  Obviously, your silence on this important historic matter can mean only one thing:  You have proven the exact opposite of what you hoped to prove.  Well??? 
~Texas Jay
http://bloodybillanderson.webs.com

It is you, Rollie, who fits your own description of me.  I suggest the webmaster delete your message which is a wholly uncalled for personal attack of name-calling directed at me.  I can prove my relationship to Letha Longley Anderson (Storm's wife) by DNA.  Yet, you cannot prove that William C. Anderson was the son of your William M. Anderson, Sr. by the same undeniable means.  Why don't you stop making personal attacks long enough to explain why you won't disclose the results of the DNA tests that you and your gang conducted over a year ago that was supposed to prove all the windies you tell in your message below?  At the time, you all boasted that they would prove that William C. Anderson of Salt Creek was the son of your William M. and not the son of Bloody Bill's father who carried the same name of "William C. Anderson".  Obviously, your silence on this important historic matter can mean only one thing:  You have proven the exact opposite of what you hoped to prove.  Well??? 
~Texas Jay

Minnesota Jay,
I suggest the webmaster delete all references on Treasurenet concerning William C. "Uncle Billy" Anderson of Brown County.  Your effort to spread the misinformation generated by Henry C. Fuller in 1924 that he was William T. "Bloody Bill" Anderson has destroyed any credibility that you ever had.

I am sorry that your tunnel vision prevents you from acknowledging the obvious facts found in official government records that Bloody Bill Anderson was killed in MO in 1864, added to the fact that your own Brown County history records the arrival of William M. Anderson, Dave Anderson, James N. Anderson, and William C. Anderson, in Brown County in 1864.  What is your problem with the truth?

Get a life, Rollie.

Other members can look at this forum to see that many others are on to Rollie Taylor's shenanigans.   

http://forums.delphiforums.com/Zeke...essages/?start=Start+Reading+%3E%3E 

~Texas Jay
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

These two forums are highly recommended for entertainment, but not for research.

Let me clear up a few of Rollie's misstatements here.  He is not a member of William C. Anderson's "extended family" but I am. My great uncle was Bill and Missouria Anderson's son Storm Anderson and was married to my great aunt Letha Longley Anderson who I knew very well until she died in 1979.

~Texas Jay
http://bloodybillanderson.webs.com  - here is what William C. "Bloody Bill" Anderson told Brownwood Banner-Bulletin staff writer Henry C. Fuller in 1924.  Remember, these are not my words.  They are the words of the man who they wrongly claim was "related" to them.  
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If Minnesota Jay were a competent genealogist, perhaps he might have searched census and vital records and avoided embarrassing himself by stating that I was not an Anderson descendant.  Both William Columbus Anderson and I are descendants of Noble Anderson, born 1769 in Pennsylvania.  He might have clarified that his relationship to the Anderson family is by virtue of the marriage of a great aunt, and that he is not really a member of the Anderson family.  He didn't even know that his great-aunt had married a son of William C. Anderson until a descendant of the Stone County Andersons told him.  There is so much he doesn't know about my Anderson family.

Let me clear up a few of Rollie's misstatements here.  He is not a member of William C. Anderson's "extended family" but I am. My great uncle was Bill and Missouria Anderson's son Storm Anderson and was married to my great aunt Letha Longley Anderson who I knew very well until she died in 1979.

~Texas Jay~  

If Minnesota Jay were a competent genealogist, perhaps he might have searched census and vital records and avoided embarrassing himself by stating that I was not an Anderson descendant.  Both William Columbus Anderson and I are descendants of Noble Anderson, born 1769 in Pennsylvania.  He might have clarified that his relationship to the Anderson family is by virtue of the marriage of a great aunt, and that he is not really a member of the Anderson family.  He didn't even know that his great-aunt had married a son of William C. Anderson until a descendant of the Stone County Andersons told him.  There is so much he doesn't know about my Anderson family.
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Rollie, you said "he didn't even know that his great-aunt married a son of William C Anderson. There is so much he doesn't know about my Anderson family."
Here is one reason.....he rejects records, documents and photos of your and his great aunt's Anderson family going back to 1860 as tampered with, altered, and stolen, by census takers, libraries, museums, and family members.
With one exception....he accepts your Anderson cousin's fairly recent news to him that his great aunt married the son of the man he promotes as Bloody Bill. This, he embraces.

He has no use for any other Anderson family member, or their research, calling them his enemies!

Now, if you were to produce a map to a KGC treasure your Andersons hid under a floorboard in his old barn you were willing to share......

Fran