1625-1649 KING CHARLES I ROYAL FARTHING Coin! CLEANED PICS ADDED

[Type: 1625-1649 (Charles I) Royal FarthingObverse Legend: CAROLV(S) DG MAG BRI (Charles by the grace of God King of Great Britain)Obverse: Single arched crown over two sceptresReverse Legend: FRA ET HIB REX (France and Ireland)]

  HI Y'all, I just CANNOT believe it I am pretty Stunned right now  We went out digging this morning with no real sites

in mind and spent the first couple hours digging some colonial buckles and civil war items....when we decided to go

back to a spot that we have hit before and hit a couple days ago....First 5 minutes I dug a 1898 V-Nickel which is

pretty cool in its own right.......then I came across a signal hitting about +18 to +20 on the MXT and I was

debating on digging it...but as you know that old addage...DIG EVERYTHING...IT REALLY REALLY applies here

where I live because LOTS of Colonial flat buttons and flower buttons hit in that range.....SO, I popped it out and

out popped this little disc about the size of a Half-Reale....I could read the CAROLVS plan as day on it and we were

debating whether it was copper or silver as it was only hitting in the +40s when I got it out....Anyway, its copper

and its very thin and very old....  I was going to post the stuff I found yesterday which consisted of an 1852

Large Cent, a mystery copper that looks to be 1800s with Hindu writing and a wreath and these other items and I

WAS HAPPY WITH THOSE THINGS!!!  Which is why this is UNBELIEVEABLE icing on the cake and after just digging that early

1700s French silver 3 days ago....


Type: 1625-1649 (Charles I) Royal Farthing
Obverse Legend: CAROLV(S) DG MAG BRI (Charles by the grace of God King of Great Britain)
Obverse: Single arched crown over two sceptres
Reverse Legend: FRA ET HIB REX (France and Ireland)







CLEANED

With dirt patina


With oil


Reverse (This back is going to clean up nice, all the detail is there, its just going to take me longer to clean the dirt
buildup off of it as this was the side facing up....It should come off after a couple days in oil



Thanks guys for looking!  

awesome piece of copper there, Sentinel!
i'd say you've well broken out of that "cold spell" you were speaking of earlier.
keep digging!

 Very uncommon find in North America!

  Royal Farthing, rose farthings are a little different.

Thanks IP....I saw the Rose Farthing and it had the identical face...what's the difference?

    First two pics is the Royal.  Other than design, the rose is smaller, and not usually completely round.

Cool, I actually like it better!

   First two pics is the Royal.  Other than design, the rose is smaller, and not usually completely round.  You got the better of the two for sure!  

Also, if its a Royal Farthing (with harp), then its older than the Rose farthing

PS. If you come over here, you need to listen for the broken half's of these as well.  As you say, dig it all

I found a Royal Farthing this year, but it's now in two bits

  Excellent history of these for anyone who wants to read it.

  http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...oinIntros/Br-TradeTokens.intro.html

Seen it, was just about to say they were counterfeited   But this looks the real deal

  Excellent history of these for anyone who wants to read it.

  http://www.coins.nd.edu/ColCoin/Col...oinIntros/Br-TradeTokens.intro.html

Seen it, was just about to say they were counterfeited   But this looks the real deal

   Yep, no question about that and I can recognize the obvious ones, but since there's many varieties, and most dug aren't perfect, it's often hard to tell.   If it says CARA it's a good indication. 

Sadly, I pay little attention to the varieties, as you say too many, plus they just get bagged up with all the others.  I do like them though as a indicator for a possible hammered (Silver).

Sentinel,
This should be on the Banner, can you get good pictures of both sides?

   First two pics is the Royal.  Other than design, the rose is smaller, and not usually completely round.  You got the better of the two for sure!  

Also, if its a Royal Farthing (with harp), then its older than the Rose farthing

PS. If you come over here, you need to listen for the broken half's of these as well.  As you say, dig it all

Yes, I just cleaned the back and it does indeed have the harp...So what you're saying is that the Royal farthing would be toward the earlier end of the 1625-1649 time span then?

Well we know they were made inbetween this time period and if you say they are generally earlier than it is safe to say that this one is probably 1620s or 1630s I would think.....but no matter really, even if it was the latest possible date (1649) I would be JUST as happy!

   First two pics is the Royal.  Other than design, the rose is smaller, and not usually completely round.  You got the better of the two for sure!  

Also, if its a Royal Farthing (with harp), then its older than the Rose farthing

PS. If you come over here, you need to listen for the broken half's of these as well.  As you say, dig it all

Yes, I just cleaned the back and it does indeed have the harp...So what you're saying is that the Royal farthing would be toward the earlier end of the 1625-1649 time span then?

They started before the Rose, but overlapped.  Not sure how to tell an early one from a later one   (I just count them as earlier)

   First two pics is the Royal.  Other than design, the rose is smaller, and not usually completely round.  You got the better of the two for sure!  

Also, if its a Royal Farthing (with harp), then its older than the Rose farthing

PS. If you come over here, you need to listen for the broken half's of these as well.  As you say, dig it all

Yes, I just cleaned the back and it does indeed have the harp...So what you're saying is that the Royal farthing would be toward the earlier end of the 1625-1649 time span then?

They started before the Rose, but overlapped.  Not sure how to tell an early one from a later one   (I just count them as earlier)

Thanks Cru......Man, if this isn't a banner find for the U.S.  then there ain't one......I KNOW for certain I'll probably not dig a coin again thats older than this one unless I get extremely lucky.....I mean Jamestown, the seed of America, was founded in 1607...were talking of a matter of 20 years from the founding of the American Colonies at Jamestown!

   First two pics is the Royal.  Other than design, the rose is smaller, and not usually completely round.  You got the better of the two for sure!  

Also, if its a Royal Farthing (with harp), then its older than the Rose farthing

PS. If you come over here, you need to listen for the broken half's of these as well.  As you say, dig it all

Yes, I just cleaned the back and it does indeed have the harp...So what you're saying is that the Royal farthing would be toward the earlier end of the 1625-1649 time span then?

They started before the Rose, but overlapped.  Not sure how to tell an early one from a later one  (I just count them as earlier)

Thanks Cru......Man, if this isn't a banner find for the U.S.  then there ain't one......I KNOW for certain I'll probably not dig a coin again thats older than this one unless I get extremely lucky.....I mean Jamestown, the seed of America, was founded in 1607...were talking of a matter of 20 years from the founding of the American Colonies at Jamestown!

Exactly, my votes in.  Pretty sure I read they dug these in Jamestown   (yep it was in IP's link plus another source I can't remember)

Holy cow !! your in a great spot there must of been something major there for that many old coins welcome to the 1625 club   in the short time i been on TN i never seen that many old dug coins in such a short period of time that is amazing out standing find   that has my Banner vote !!! Dd60

Nice finds! 

    First two pics is the Royal.  Other than design, the rose is smaller, and not usually completely round.  You got the better of the two for sure! 

Also, if its a Royal Farthing (with harp), then its older than the Rose farthing

PS. If you come over here, you need to listen for the broken half's of these as well.  As you say, dig it all

Yes, I just cleaned the back and it does indeed have the harp...So what you're saying is that the Royal farthing would be toward the earlier end of the 1625-1649 time span then?

They started before the Rose, but overlapped.  Not sure how to tell an early one from a later one   (I just count them as earlier)

Thanks Cru......Man, if this isn't a banner find for the U.S.  then there ain't one......I KNOW for certain I'll probably not dig a coin again thats older than this one unless I get extremely lucky.....I mean Jamestown, the seed of America, was founded in 1607...were talking of a matter of 20 years from the founding of the American Colonies at Jamestown!

   Well they date before the trade tokens and Timekiller's made it to the banner.... eventually.

   There's obviously a very old site there....  older than I've ever hunted.

very possible, due to minimal wear.
Sentinel,
Is it possible in your area to have this mid-1600s site? 

Way to go Josh!!  The J-team was very fortunate to stumble onto this site  4 1600's coins now and a gold posy ring.. I'd say this hammers down the fact that this site is pre-1700!! Congrats Josh, would be nice to see this one up on the banner to represent such an amazing piece of history we are dealing with here.

Way to go Josh!!  The J-team was very fortunate to stumble onto this site   4 1600's coins now and a gold posy ring.. I'd say this hammers down the fact that this site is pre-1700!! Congrats Josh, would be nice to see this one up on the banner to represent such an amazing piece of history we are onto here.

didn't put 2 & 2 together.  Great site.  No disc, dig the lot.

Way to go Josh!!  The J-team was very fortunate to stumble onto this site   4 1600's coins now and a gold posy ring.. I'd say this hammers down the fact that this site is pre-1700!! Congrats Josh, would be nice to see this one up on the banner to represent such an amazing piece of history we are onto here.

didn't put 2 & 2 together.  Great site.  No disc, dig the lot.

   haha, no worries

 

That's way better than the one's I have found great find, lets hope there is Silver Charles1 coins there

SS

Josh you continue to amaze me, this needs to be on the banner! Keep em coming buddy.

That's way better than the one's I have found great find, lets hope there is Silver Charles1 coins there

SS

I forgot to add that, its above average condition.

Also, I think hammered silver when I get these, although it maybe too much to hope for in the US (but does happen) so fingers crossed...

What a great find. 

awesome!!! save some for me please!

  Excellent history of these for anyone who wants to read it.

  

Seen it, was just about to say they were counterfeited  But this looks the real deal

Yes I can...im at a wedding now but when I get home I'm going to post better pics...This coin I have if you notice is one of the more rare variants with the double arch crown and is listed on the coin sites for alot more than several of the hammered silvers....Thanks for saying this should be on the bannee ...I WAS BEGINNING to wonder if I was in the twilight "ne


   Yep, no question about that and I can recognize the obvious ones, but since there's many varieties, and most dug aren't perfect, it's often hard to tell.   If it says CARA it's a good indication.  

Sadly, I pay little attention to the varieties, as you say too many, plus they just get bagged up with all the others.  I do like them though as a indicator for a possible hammered (Silver).

Sentinel,
This should be on the Banner, can you get good pictures of both sides?

Yes I can...im at a wedding now but when I get home I'm going to post better pics...This coin I have if you notice is one of the more rare variants with the double arch crown and is listed on the coin sites for alot more than several of the hammered silvers....Thanks for saying this should be on the bannee ...I WAS BEGINNING to wonder if I was in the "Twilight Zone"

Well, being that Jamestown is just a few minutes up the road, it could easily have been lost by one of the Jamestown colonist

Nice find Sentinel  this is one of King James farthings I found last year.

Lets just say HUGE CONGRATS to you on finding a great coin...You must have been shaking when relised what it was...I know i would be...That is awesome 

Nice find Sentinel   this is one of King James farthings I found last year.

Of course, how dumb am I.  Sentinel's is a Charles I Royal Farthing otherwise it would be James like your one  I should pay more attention to these, forgot about James reign.

So definately 1625-49, sorry for the confusion

Super great find.
Dman

          You are the current King of Foreign Coins Josh (non U.S.). You are on the longest roll of good luck that I have seen (especially for summertime). WTG Buddy and HH, Quindy.

Wow! That's just about the age limit for finding coins here in America. I think any of us here in the U.S. would be hard pressed to find a coin older than than. A really incredible find!

very nice find

That's way better than the one's I have found great find, lets hope there is Silver Charles1 coins there

SS

Thanks Ethan, that's amazing!  That just adds to what you and Crusader and Hammered etc. have said about this being an "above average" and "rare" find, especially for the U.S.    As for Charles I Silver...... I dug that 1727 Leopold I French Silver 3 days ago.....so I don't know if the silver gods will dispense another so quickly after that one...but I'm just as happy with this coin!!!!

Can't beat that with a stick. You are just rolling along at a breakneck pace. Keep going buddy.
Chris

Hello Sentinel,

Iv'e dug some more of my farthings out that I've found over the years. There's a Charles 1 royal farthing like yours, and a couple of Charles 1 rose farthings. The other farthing is the rare James 1 oval farthing, mint mark cross patee, issued for use in Ireland.

They're all in good nick Rob

You are racking and stacking them like no other right now, Josh.  Keep on finding the earliest of the earlies in SW VA! 

They're all in good nick Rob

Cheers Shaun, just lighting the barbie, come on England 

They're all in good nick Rob

Cheers Shaun, just lighting the barbie, come on England 

Come on England!!!

Good job, Josh, on the Colonial find. You have been racking and stacking them like there is no tomorrow. It is good to see you succeeding, my friend.

Keep the passion high!

Kirk

congrats Sentinel..great coin 

They're all in good nick Rob

Cheers Shaun, just lighting the barbie, come on England 

Come on England!!!

   Note the driver in the car is smiling.    (and the guy on the ground is not)  :     A down for the count Galoot! ....and you just know the guy in the orange pointing the finger is yelling "OWNED!"   

  That's my world cup contribution for 2010. 


 

He's German!

No self respecting English hooligan would let that happen

The little bloke looks to be taking advantage anyway, and probably ran when the German got up

They're all in good nick Rob

Cheers Shaun, just lighting the barbie, come on England  

Come on England!!!

   Note the driver in the car is smiling.    (and the guy on the ground is not)  :    A down for the count Galoot! ....and you just know the guy in the orange pointing the finger is yelling "OWNED!"  

  That's my world cup contribution for 2010.  


 

He's German!

No self respecting English hooligan would let that happen

The little bloke looks to be taking advantage anyway, and probably ran when the German got up

  THAT'S HILARIOUS.  I have respect for those English "Soccer" thugs as that's
where my roots come from!

Thanks for the compliments and for the guys who've voted Banner for this find!  Really, if this or the 1727 Leopold I Silver Denier that I dug 4 days ago isn't a Banner find Coming from the United States....20 minutes from Jamestown Est. 1607, than there's nothing I will subsequently dig that will be as I can hardly dig anything older, rarer, or in better shape here  

Thanks for the compliments and for the guys who've voted Banner for this find!  Really, if this or the 1727 Leopold I Silver Denier that I dug 4 days ago isn't a Banner find Coming from the United States....20 minutes from Jamestown Est. 1607, than there's nothing I will subsequently dig that will be as I can hardly dig anything older, rarer, or in better shape here 
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Well Said Sentinel! I cant believe this is not on the banner yet.

Thanks for the compliments and for the guys who've voted Banner for this find!  Really, if this or the 1727 Leopold I Silver Denier that I dug 4 days ago isn't a Banner find Coming from the United States....20 minutes from Jamestown Est. 1607, than there's nothing I will subsequently dig that will be as I can hardly dig anything older, rarer, or in better shape here 

Well Said Sentinel! I cant believe this is not on the banner yet.
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The Banner is bust & the helpline is engaged

I can't believe this isn't up on the banner yet , but at least I can now vote for it. I don't know how I missed this yesterday.

hammered

Your right CRU!

I can't believe this isn't up on the banner yet , but at least I can know vote for it. I don't know how I missed this yesterday.

hammered

Get it in now, as for the rest of the US members, where's your support?    Sort it out

I can't believe this isn't up on the banner yet , but at least I can know vote for it. I don't know how I missed this yesterday.

hammered

Get it in now, as for the rest of the US members, where's your support?    Sort it out

All done, voted right after my earlier reply .

hammered

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I can't believe this isn't up on the banner yet , but at least I can know vote for it. I don't know how I missed this yesterday.

hammered

Get it in now, as for the rest of the US members, where's your support?    Sort it out

That's a good question and not sure but I can say that I'm VERY happy for the support that I've gotten from my ENGLISH brethren...


I hope that it isn't because people are mad that I dug it??  

I can't believe this isn't up on the banner yet , but at least I can know vote for it. I don't know how I missed this yesterday.

hammered

Thanks for your Banner vote Hammered!

I talked to Jeff and he said he didn't want to put 2 silver coins side by side on the banner as far as the Silver Denier goes....the farthing is copper so maybe this one will be better next to the silver.....or perhaps someone will make the banner in between and he will put the Silver Denier and/or the Farthing up

My Banner vote is Colonially submitted.

Kirk

My Banner vote is Colonially submitted.

Kirk

thats more like it

My Banner vote is Colonially submitted.

Kirk

thats more like it

Yes banner 

You've got my Colonial vote for banner as well, Josh!

You've got my Colonial vote for banner as well, Josh!

And my Colonial Vote is submitted as well.  KILLER coin, Josh!   

You've got my Colonial vote for banner as well, Josh!

And my Colonial Vote is submitted as well.  KILLER coin, Josh!   

Buck, you'll be digging some killer Colonial coins very soon in LA!  It is a given just like gravity.

You've got my Colonial vote for banner as well, Josh!

Thanks my fellow colonial hunting friend!!

Lets see more .Come on keep voting .

hammered

In case I didn't mention, you have my vote too  

That is really nice. The old copper just does not hold up as well.

I mean, have you seen a Zincoln lately?

   

Sentinel that is an excellent find!

         You are the current King of Foreign Coins Josh (non U.S.). You are on the longest roll of good luck that I have seen (especially for summertime). WTG Buddy and HH, Quindy.

Shoot man, thanks for being such a good friend...You know like me that the real work comes with the research to find a site, after that, it's all chance what you put your coil over....but thanks for the generous compliment my friend

Finally I wake up & see justice

Congrats on the Banner find  well deserved  Dd60

Banner find!! congrats .

Congrats on Banner , Josh ,    N I C E       Rarely  see them that old in the USA. Did some reading about Jamestown , man those guys had a rough go of it . In the 1640's everything was valued in tobacco, and this continued the practical currency for the first century. They( not sure who they would be ...colonists  ) imported a lot of copper, however, with which to make small coins for circulation. As the tobacco fluctuated in price in England, it made a very unstable standard of value. Gradually, afterwards, large amounts of gold and silver coin came into Virginia in payment for produce, thus supplanting the tobacco as a standard.    Large amounts

I would be stunned too. Amazing find! 

Finally I wake up & see justice

  But is it retroactive to an 1840 token, CT copper, and 1812 belt plate.    

All great finds also, whom each got my vote for Banner

Congrats on Banner , Josh ,    N I C E       Rarely  see them that old in the USA. Did some reading about Jamestown , man those guys had a rough go of it . In the 1640's everything was valued in tobacco, and this continued the practical currency for the first century. They( not sure who they would be ...colonists  ) imported a lot of copper, however, with which to make small coins for circulation. As the tobacco fluctuated in price in England, it made a very unstable standard of value. Gradually, afterwards, large amounts of gold and silver coin came into Virginia in payment for produce, thus supplanting the tobacco as a standard.    Large amounts

Thanks Dawg, yes this was what they used (as you stated) before the gold and silver got here and as I said above in the post, this could've been one of the Jamestown colonists

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Finally I wake up & see justice

Thanks Cru and ALL you other guys/friends who helped put this on the Banner.    

  . Justice at last. Well done mate .

hammered

          Congrats on another BANNER Josh!!! HH, Quindy.

. Justice at last. Well done mate .

hammered

Thanks mate!!!!   Thanks much for your help on getting it on the banner!

Good to see it on the banner 

Good to see it on the banner 

Thanks Rob.  Yours above....what kind of area were they found near?? 

 

Great find !!!!!!!!!!!   BANNER ALL THE WAY  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great find !!!!!!!!!!!   BANNER ALL THE WAY  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

awesome piece

Great find !!!!!!!!!!!   BANNER ALL THE WAY  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks bud

Nice finds, and some great pics Jerry

Thanks.  The camera I use isn't great for using all around, but it has an excellent macro setting

Great find !!!!!!!!!!!   BANNER ALL THE WAY  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

awesome piece

thanks florida bill.  There's some reales waitin for you in florida

Great find !!!!!!!!!!!   BANNER ALL THE WAY  !!!!!!!!!!!!!

awesome piece

thanks florida bill.  There's some reales waitin for you in florida

 

Josh, I told you I was sending you down my luck so I guess it really worked. Congratulations on an awesome find

Congrats on finding that oldie and on making the banner !!!